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[isamu]

This is a different topic and I didn't want to post this in the pregnant woman being tortured thread, but it really angered me to see people post things like this:

It takes a lot for me to think someone is worthy of being put to death, but this ranges far past that line. These people deserve death and nothing more, preferably after several weeks of torture and random beatings.

Tell me this state has the death penalty, please. If there was ever a case to support it...I mean fucking hell...

Let me ask you guys a question. What makes you think death is a good form of punishment, when no one on this PLANET has any proof to what happens when we die? I am sick and tired of the death penalty being looked at as the ultimate form of punishment. How the fuck is dying a punishment, when nobody actually knows what happens after death? We could all just be resurrected or go to heaven or some other shit!

I wish the U.S. government would stop being such pussies, and start TORTURING assholes instead of killing them! Start administering REAL forms of punishment like they used to do in the medevil days.

Things, like being chained to a wall and having your balls squeezed in a vice, or having crazy glue squirted in your eyeballs, is what I consider reasonable forms of punishment for jackasses who do this kind of shit. Not death.

Wake the fuck up people! Living for some people is worse than death!

 

[Green Shinobi]

Shakespeare thought the same thing:

Now might I do it pat, now he is praying;
And now I'll do't. And so he goes to heaven;
And so am I revenged. That would be scann'd:
A villain kills my father; and for that,
I, his sole son, do this same villain send
To heaven.
O, this is hire and salary, not revenge.
He took my father grossly, full of bread;
With all his crimes broad blown, as flush as May;
And how his audit stands who knows save heaven?
But in our circumstance and course of thought,
'Tis heavy with him: and am I then revenged,
To take him in the purging of his soul,
When he is fit and season'd for his passage?
No!
Up, sword; and know thou a more horrid hent:
When he is drunk asleep, or in his rage,
Or in the incestuous pleasure of his bed;
At gaming, swearing, or about some act
That has no relish of salvation in't;
Then trip him, that his heels may kick at heaven,
And that his soul may be as damn'd and black
As hell, whereto it goes. My mother stays:
This physic but prolongs thy sickly days.

 

[Stoney Mason]

I like how the op starts off slightly weird and then quickly turns batshit insane. Nice job.

 

[Scrow]

I like how the op starts off slightly weird and then quickly turns batshit insane. Nice job.

"OMFG HOLY MOTHER OF MARY IN HEAVEN I CANT BELIEVE IT WTF WHERE ARE MY SEDATIVES AAAAHHH"

 

[Tornado Condor]

well you know, it hurts to die

 

[bjork]

I wish the U.S. government would stop being such pussies, and start TORTURING assholes instead of killing them! Start administering REAL forms of punishment like they used to do in the medevil days.

No, see. If you keep them alive, that's sucking money off of my taxes. If my tax money is going to get siphoned off for something frivolous, I rather it go to illegal aliens. At least they're productive for the most part.

The secret is to torture them TO DEATH.

 

[Gig]

Goddamnit, do you realize what done! Do you know how times I'm going to have to reply in this thread!

 

[Green Shinobi]

There's no point to torture. The point of the death penalty is that the state has decided that these people are completely beyond saving and should be wiped out of existence (or at least physical existence).

 

[Agent Ghost]

With appeals, the death penalty is actually far more expensive than providing for an inmate for life. That and that alone is the reason I oppose capital punishment.

 

[laserbeam]

Life is the most prized possession all beings have basically.

As a species Survival is number one on the list of importance. Humans do whatever it takes to survive usually.

Thus the elimination of someones life is the ultimate form of punishment and its also the ultimate form of barbarism when an Innocent life is taken.

 

[VALIS]

I had a... somewhat similar thought while reading that thread: Death would be a release for them. Let them spend the rest of their lives in prison, where they'd get abused, beaten up and anal raped frequently. The inmates would go hog wild on 'em once they found out what they were in for.

 

[demifiend]

What always got to me was when I met people who decried the moral failing of execution, but then said that it would be far preferable to "let them rot in jail". Personally, I don't mind the state executing people because, if a person has committed the crimes that they have been convicted of ('only innocent people get executed' is largely a Hollywood fabrication), then I don't want my tax money being wasted keeping the motherfucker alive while decent bums go hungry. There are more creative ways to throw away money.

 

[okno]

Well... life is awesome and things in life are really great and I would hate to lose the things I have in life, so, yeah, Death is a suitable punishment for an appropriate crime.

 

[RevenantKioku]

Because even if there is an afterlife we have no control of it.
There's nothing I wouldn't lose before my life.

 

[Gig]

I had a... somewhat similar thought while reading that thread: Death would be a release for them. Let them spend the rest of their lives in prison, where they'd get abused, beaten up and anal raped frequently. The inmates would go hog wild on 'em once they found out what they were in for.

Wow, you actually want to see someone raped and beaten, O.K.

 

[okno]

Wow, you actually want to see someone raped and beaten, O.K.

Well, yeah! Death is far too easy of a punishment, let's torture them! Eye for an eye! But death is wrong, and so are beatings, but if someone beats someone, then they deserve a beating! But that's wrong! But in this case, it's right, so it's ok!

 

[Tonedeff]

I don't think death deters people at all really. Now start sticking spikes down dudes penises or something equally severe and people might start thinking twice...I'm not crazy btw

 

[bjork]

Goddamnit, do you realize what done! Do you know how times I'm going to have to reply in this thread!

As few as possible, if you value your time. You're not going to change anyone's mind with your mother teresa shit.

 

[thekad]

Wow, you actually want to see someone raped and beaten, O.K.

To be fair, he never said he wanted to see the ass-pounding, only to know that it is happening. Maybe sneak a peek every once in a while, just to be sure.

 

[Gig]

As few as possible, if you value your time. You're not going to change anyone's mind with your mother teresa shit.

Oh Bjork, don't be so low. If I can change one person's mind it would be all worth it.

 

[VALIS]

Wow, you actually want to see someone raped and beaten, O.K.

Did you happen to read what they did? I'm not actually big into eye for an eye justice, and this isn't that, precisely. No one is mandating they get abused, no one is entrusted to carry out the abuse, it'll probably just happen. But hey, when you're done looking out for the welfare of people who abused and tortured a retarded woman for years on end, can you get me an ice cream cone from your magical tower of idealism? Vanilla chocolate chip, please.

 

[CrushDance]

You have control in this life. You enjoy it.

If you die and there's no after life. Your existence is cut short, if there is one. You have no control over it.

People want control.

 

[Gig]

Did you happen to read what they did? I'm not actually big into eye for an eye justice, and this isn't that, precisely. No one is mandating they get abused, no one is entrusted to carry out the abuse, it'll probably just happen. But hey, when you're done looking out for the welfare of people who abused and tortured a retarded woman for years on end, can you get me an ice cream cone from your magical tower of idealism? Vanilla chocolate chip, please.

:lol :lol :lol Why do you think that I have no sympathy for that woman, what happened was horrible tragedy. I just don't want to see the people who commited the crime to die or suffer, and is that so wrong?

 

[AmMortal]

I think that because some people don't believe in a hereafter and they think that one's life simply becomes nothingness, they tend to see that as the perfect punishment.

The others view death as a fast way to get them to taste judgement.

 

[Dali]

Shakespeare thought the same thing:

That passage means his father was killed at a time when his salvation wasn't assured, while the person he wants to kill to avenge his father has just prayed so he believes he has just been absolved of all sins and will go straight to heaven if killed at that moment. It's not really an affirmation of the OP's PoV.

I always personally imagined being locked up in a single cell for the rest of my natural life was worse than the death penalty. I never really understood why people saw it as the ultimate punishment either. I mean if they believe in hell, what's the rush to send the guy there? Let him live his life - if you can call what he would be living, a life - and then when he dies his punishment will just continue on... forever.

 

[LCGeek]

Tthe government needs to bring hard labor again for the most offensive criminals that shit would easy make them fuckers think twice. Not all criminals are gonna change but the ones that have some semblance of brain are gonna weigh the risk of their shit rob a house and get caught then spend 10 years doing hard labor or get a real fucking job. We start cracking down on white collar crimes too man shit would change fast if pricks knew what was coming.

Government needs to get rid of this cruel and unusual shit too. That has to be the dumbest shit of all time I think if it makes sense for the circumstance of the crime why not. I see no point in a policy that protects the criminal but not the victim hell I thought we had equal rights in this country victims have none criminal get none. Let the molestors and rapist get raped. Lets garnish and sieze anything from thieves at random points in a probation just to return the favor and sell it off. Sociopaths have one weakness makes no fucking sense to protect them after the deed has been done.

 

[Green Shinobi]

That passage means his father was killed at a time when his salvation wasn't assured, while the person he wants to kill to avenge his father has just prayed so he believes he has just been absolved of all sins and will go straight to heaven if killed at that moment. It's not really an affirmation of the OP's PoV.

You're right.

Well, Marv had the right idea:

I'll stare the bastard in the face as he screams to God, and I'll laugh harder when he whimpers like a baby. And when his eyes go dead, the hell I send him to will seem like heaven after what I've done to him.

 

[VALIS]

:lol :lol :lol Why do you think that I have no sympathy for that woman, what happened was horrible tragedy. I just don't want to see the people who commited the crime to die or suffer, and is that so wrong?

I never said I didn't think you had sympathy for the victim.

And is prison suffering? Because I assume you'd agree they need to go to prison, and it ain't gonna be easy on them there, regardless of whether or not the inmates act up on them, or how frequently.

There's just something about premeditated and prolonged abuse that's repugnant. People make mistakes and bad decisions in the heat of the moment, or there are accidents and carelessness, or life circumstances can drive people to committing crimes... but in cases of prolonged abuse and torture, you've eliminated all these things that might suggest a fellow human just made a mistake and deserves to be rehabilitated. To spend day after day inflicting physical and mental suffering on someone, and yet to wake up and do it the next day, and the next... to me they've willingly placed themselves on the bottom of the human totem pole. It's hard to have much concern at all for their future wellbeing.

 

[Kevtones]

because third-world countries don't have the internet and therefore can't read this thread

 

[Dali]

Tthe government needs to bring hard labor again for the most offensive criminals that shit would easy make them fuckers think twice. Not all criminals are gonna change but the ones that have some semblance of brain are gonna weigh the risk of their shit rob a house and get caught then spend 10 years doing hard labor or get a real fucking job. We start cracking down on white collar crimes too man shit would change fast if pricks knew what was coming.

Government needs to get rid of this cruel and unusual shit too. That has to be the dumbest shit of all time I think if it makes sense for the circumstance of the crime why not. I see no point in a policy that protects the criminal but not the victim hell I thought we had equal rights in this country victims have none criminal get none. Let the molestors and rapist get raped. Lets garnish and sieze anything from thieves at random points in a probation just to return the favor and sell it off. Sociopaths have one weakness makes no fucking sense to protect them after the deed has been done.

But then someone will have to rape the rapist rapists and the rapist rapist rapists and so on. Or do official state rapists get immunity from punitive raping?

 

[Green Shinobi]

But then someone will have to rape the rapist rapists and the rapist rapist rapists and so on. Or do official state rapists get immunity from punitive raping?

You'd get quite a few applicants for those jobs if they did.

 

[LCGeek]

But then someone will have to rape the rapist rapists and the rapist rapist rapists and so on. Or do official state rapists get immunity from punitive raping?

Edit

My complete bad

Fucking Machines look it up. No need for humans to do what a machine running non stop could do. No lube and bit gag in the mouth for 12 hours a day guranteed rape and molestation would drop like whoa.

 

[Gig]

I never said I didn't think you had sympathy for the victim.

And is prison suffering? Because I assume you'd agree they need to go to prison, and it ain't gonna be easy on them there, regardless of whether or not the inmates act up on them, or how frequently.

There's just something about premeditated and prolonged abuse that's repugnant. People make mistakes and bad decisions in the heat of the moment, or there are accidents and carelessness, or life circumstances can drive people to committing crimes... but in cases of prolonged abuse and torture, you've eliminated all these things that might suggest a fellow human just made a mistake and deserves to be rehabilitated. To spend day after day inflicting physical and mental suffering on someone, and yet to wake up and do it the next day, and the next... to me they've willingly placed themselves on the bottom of the human totem pole. It's hard to have much concern at all for their future wellbeing.

You certainly made it out to seem that I cared more for the perpetrators than the victim. Yes they need to go to prison, mostly for the rest of their lives. By suffering, I meant I didn't want to see them raped or beaten.

 

[bjork]

Oh Bjork, don't be so low. If I can change one person's mind it would be all worth it.

But you're not going to. Not here, anyway. To some people, once you've robbed someone of their decency and rights, you've also forfeited yours in the process.

 

[narcosis219]

Cause, you know, when you're dead, you can't do anything. If you were some serial killer, and you were dead, you wouldn't be able to kill anyone anymore.

 

[TheDuce22]

Think about how horrible it would be to no longer exist. If you want to go with the religion thing, most of them have some form of punishment in the afterlife or the next life.

 

[LCGeek]

But you're not going to. Not here, anyway. To some people, once you've robbed someone of their decency and rights, you've also forfeited yours in the process.

Which begs the question do we reallly have rights in the end if they can be broken in the obviously blantant manner they are. I'm all for civiility and order but I will say it again the innocent and dead have no rights when it comes to criminals why are we affording them the same luxury it's not equal.

 

[Gig]

But you're not going to. Not here, anyway. To some people, once you've robbed someone of their decency and rights, you've also forfeited yours in the process.

How do you know that?

 

[Suburban Cowboy]

the actual death isnt so much the punishment as the ides that you know you are going to die on this specific date in the future. Knowing youre wasting away the last remaining days of your life sitting in a cell.

 

[TemplaerDude]

death ain't so bad in comparison to some things. the thought of spending the rest of my life in a small box with no windows or bars and only a little slot where my food is shoved into is probably more frightening to me.

 

[JayDubya]

An appeal to religion? I'm sorry, but no.

Justice is not solely the purview of otherwordly sources; your hell may or may not exist, and I lean towards the "not" end of that spectrum.

To put it another way:

This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us.

There is nothing inherently wrong with the death penalty. Nothing injust about it, nothing cruel, nothing unusual. Those who have committed murder certainly deserve it. The sole problem with the death penalty is the fallibility of those applying it and the risk of misapplying it to the innocent.

And there's the rub.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

There is nothing inherently wrong with the death penalty. Nothing injust about it, nothing cruel, nothing unusual. Those who have committed murder certainly deserve it. The sole problem with the death penalty is the fallibility of those applying it and the risk of misapplying it to the innocent.

Err, doesn't the last sentence just abolish every pro-argument towards the death penalty you mentioned ? I mean there are a lot of things that would work perfect in theory. But you will never be able to reach this level of perfection in practise.
And if you still make huge mistakes (as taking the life on an innocent person), the whole idea of death penalties is wrong.




Oh wait, didn't see the last sentence. I'm sorry.

 

[valparaiso]

nm.

 

[Artadius]

With appeals, the death penalty is actually far more expensive than providing for an inmate for life. That and that alone is the reason I oppose capital punishment.

Source please? I don't completely doubt it... but would like to verify as I hear this alot.

 

[Anno]

I can't think of a single situation in which I would rather be dead than alive, so I guess that's why.

 

[Juice]

Easy: because whichever life forms didn't consider death the worst punishment (or were any less death averse than we are), died out and natural selection chose us, because we were better survivors by fearing death above all else.

Evolution can answer just about every social question like this.

 

[HotByCold]

Death is the ultimate punishment because you can't take it back.

 

[Akuun]

I think everyone has a natural fear of death. Those that don't seem to fear it have either been trained to suppress it or have gone through enough crap in their lives to see death differently.

 

[Kapsama]

I like how the op starts off slightly weird and then quickly turns batshit insane. Nice job.

:lol :lol :lol

Like the threat of even bigger and worse punishment is gonna affect crime rates in any way, batshit insane indeed.

 

[RumFore]

My only problem with the death penalty is that its absurd in that its too damn humane. These people kill there victims in the worse way and are basically put to sleep with no pain. They should be choked, stabbed or pinched to death. Not this bullshit injection crap. And they need to fucking ramp up the executions. Some of these animals are allowed decades to plea and stay there case. Kill them like the Chinese do.