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[shadowsdarknes]

His sportsmanship is fine. Everyone was complaining about his dancing before the Super Bowl, the only way to stop it, is stop him. Denver did that.

Most athletes have an ego.

Where is the argument? It's football, people don't like superstars because of a brand of clothing they wear, a headphone company, their girlfriend, the college they went to.

People make excuses to not like someone to justify their prejudice. This is nothing new.

The people saying he needed to be more vocal during his post game presser, would be mad that he talked too much, or said the wrong thing. It's a never ending cycle in sports.

Cam demonstrated exactly why people are taking issue with him and you're still running with the racial prejudice card?

If you're going to be one of the most animated players in the game when you're succeeding and claim its all in the name of fun, then you can't act like a pouty child when you lose.

His criticisms are generally fair.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

The fuck is with sports fans and this obsession with humble or losing the "right way" in a competitive league. How about giving a shit about how charitable and good hearted with kids he is off the field? That actually matters.

 

[lawnchair]

so he was expected to wallow in his defeat for the cameras and the press, and he didn't give them the opportunity, so he's an arrogant shithead who probably thinks he actually won the superbowl?

he's expected to sit at the table and answer questions like every other superstar. several of his teammates did it, he didn't.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

so he was expected to wallow in his defeat for the cameras and the press, and he didn't give them the opportunity, so he's an arrogant shithead who probably thinks he actually won the superbowl?

Wallow and pout and cry in front of the cameras actually would not be the norm at all.
Do you even watch post game press conferences?

 

[Parch]

How he deals with the media from now on will be telling. I hope there's someone in his life that can explain to him that acting like an immature jerk is going to bring criticism. If he, or anybody, thinks he can act whatever way he wants and should never get any criticism isn't living in the real world.

The NFL frowns upon having their players walk out of a press conference. I doubt it would result in a fine or disciplinary action, but they take the behavior of players pretty seriously. The guy was upset and disappointed so they should cut him some slack, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's discussed at head office.

 

[TheOohChild]

so he was expected to wallow in his defeat for the cameras and the press, and he didn't give them the opportunity, so he's an arrogant shithead who probably thinks he actually won the superbowl?

sore losers. hm.

I can't speak for everyone, but I wasn't interested in seeing him rip himself to shreds. I was just disappointed he was acting like a standoffish teenager.

 

[akira28]

I can't speak for everyone, but I wasn't interested in seeing him rip himself to shreds. I was just disappointed he was acting like a standoffish teenager.

I understood it. Shame. dude looked like he wanted to cry.

Wallow and pout and cry in front of the cameras actually would not be the norm at all.
Do you even watch post game press conferences?

I'm usually not big on sports spectacle.

 

[Yabo]

How does it not? That's what damn near every professional athlete in the history of Super Bowl losses has done.

People hate him because he's arrogant. Sitting there and admitting when you do something badly is the opposite of arrogance. Therefore, sitting there talking about how badly he performed would have gone against the idea that he's this guy who is arrogant all of the time. If people dislike you for being arrogant, being humble when things don't go your way is the exact way to show people that you aren't just this arrogant person.

Instead, he did exactly what arrogant people do when they lose. Acted like a sore loser who couldn't own up to the idea that he might not be the best.

This is pretty ironic when ever Deion Sanders, one of the most egotistical and outspoken athletes in all of history is essentially saying what all of the people who are criticizing Cam are saying.

If you want to sit there and brag and boast when you do well, you have to be able to sit up there and take your lumps when things don't go your way. If you don't you just look immature as shit.

This was posted in the Super Bowl thread earlier.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/sh...-Super-Bowl-field-Is-h?urn=nfl,218314&print=0

Walking off the field without congratulating Drew Brees(notes) may go against our misguided notion of what sportsmanship should be, but it wasn't at all disrespectful or bitter. It shows how much Peyton Manning wanted to win the game. And who can argue about that?

I guess Peyton is worse than Cam.

 

[pompidu]

The fuck is with sports fans and this obsession with humble or losing the "right way" in a competitive league. How about giving a shit about how charitable and good hearted with kids he is off the field? That actually matters.

Cause people don't really give a shit about other people i.e. charity . People do give a shit about weird ass drama like what is happening here.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

The fuck is with sports fans and this obsession with humble or losing the "right way" in a competitive league. How about giving a shit about how charitable and good hearted Cam is off the field, with kids? That actually matters.

Fortunately, you can do both. And sportsmanship is an important quality from Pop Warner to the pros. I'm not sure why you're baffled as to why you don't understand that people do value that quality.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Fortunately, you can do both. And sportsmanship is an important quality from Pop Warner to the pros. I'm not sure why you're baffled as to why you don't understand that people do value that quality.

At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter, and for people to judge people solely on sports antics, and not other far more important things is absolutely asinine.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

so he was expected to wallow in his defeat for the cameras and the press, and he didn't give them the opportunity, so he's an arrogant shithead who probably thinks he actually won the superbowl?

sore losers. hm.

No one is saying he needs to sit there and wallow. For shits sake. He just needed to sit up there like a man and face the questions his opponents would have had to have faced because he didn't do well enough to win. He needed to answer the questions like a professional adult, just like almost every other loser in Super Bowl history has.

The rest of your post about how he thinks he won the Super Bowl is just some nonsense you made up that I didn't even imply or say.

And yeah, today Cam is the definition of a sore loser. I don't know how you could argue otherwise.

It doesn't matter.

It sure as shit does for most people. You're essentially saying that being respectful doesn't matter.

 

[Fuchsdh]

those were questions of of the posters above you asked me. I was questioning the reasoning behind the query.

Do you hate Cam Newton? You have never seen him play before this game, and you already claim a firm understanding of why he's so disliked. His arrogance and pompousness, that I haven't seen many convincing examples, and even fewer rational arguments to support those examples, so, I am left to wonder.

Then address it at other posters, not me.

I don't hate Cam Newton.

If no one in this thread can convince you, then nothing I can say will surely do it, but I imagine you're not actually interested in being convinced.

And why don't you just come out and say that you think we're all secretly a bunch of racists, instead of going to another thread to complain? Would save you a step.

 

[shintoki]

He showed off, now gets left with his dick out and no girl. Simple as that. His season and no ring.

I think the most disappointing part wasn't the after game antics. I don't really care what they do off. But he lacked the entire 4th quarter. He turned into a giant pussy and started to play like the senior citizen Manning. He isn't an elite QB(Talent wise, he probably is the best in the league), but when his team needed something to rally behind. He shriveled away. Rodgers alone pulled how many games out of his ass this year? Two Hail Mary's in the season and drove the Cards to OT.

 

[Locked Out]

The fuck is with sports fans and this obsession with humble or losing the "right way" in a competitive league. How about giving a shit about how charitable and good hearted with kids he is off the field? That actually matters.

Yes god forbid he do both. But nah just keep doing the Superman when your team is headed for a loss. It's all about him. That's why many people had a problem with him long before the dancing.

 

[akira28]

Then address it at other posters, not me.

I don't hate Cam Newton.

If no one in this thread can convince you, then nothing I can say will surely do it, but I imagine you're not actually interested in being convinced.

And why don't you just come out and say that you think we're all secretly a bunch of racists, instead of going to another thread to complain? Would save you a step.

you're secretly a bunch of racist, fuchsdh. I have you on tape, licking those doorknobs. you thought you could get away with it, did you?

what do you have to say for your sorry self?

 

[theignoramus]

Hopefully the public beating he will take through the off season will cause some personal reflection.
Lebron became much less of a douchebag after that 2011 finals loss.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

No one is saying he needs to sit there and wallow. For shits sake. He just needed to sit up there like a man and face the questions his opponents would have had to have faced because he didn't do well enough to win. He needed to answer the questions like a professional adult, just like almost every other loser in Super Bowl history has.

The rest of your post about how he thinks he won the Super Bowl is just some nonsense you made up that I didn't even imply or say.

And yeah, today Cam is the definition of a sore loser. I don't know how you could argue otherwise.
It sure as shit does for most people. You're essentially saying that being respectful doesn't matter.

He's been plenty of respectful during his career, and he gives what it fucking counts, off the field. Get over this shit.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

He's been plenty of respectful during his career, and he gives what it fucking counts, off the field. Get over this shit.

"Don't have an opinion"

 

[30yearsofhurt]

Wallow and pout and cry in front of the cameras actually would not be the norm at all.
Do you even watch post game press conferences?

I sincerely doubt some of the people who defend his behaviour have ever stepped onto a sports field at all. Surely you learn by the age of 7 to respect your opponents. Cam doesn't look like he does. That's why people want to see him fail. Hell even the worlds most hated QB, Tom Brady, congratulated Peyton Manning after the Championship game.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Hopefully the public beating he will take through the off season will cause some personal reflection.
Lebron became much less of a douchebag after that 2011 finals loss.

That's the thing, people hated Lebron for his basketball antics here and there, but that dude gives a ton to charity, to helping kids, etc... You can whine and complain about his attitude all day, it doesn't change the fact he's doing a ton of good elsewhere, and in my estimation, that's the true test of someone's character. Everything else is filler.

I sincerely doubt some of the people who defend his behaviour have ever stepped onto a sports field at all. Surely you learn by the age of 7 to respect your opponents. Cam doesn't look like he does. That's why people want to see him fail. Hell even the worlds most hated QB, Tom Brady, congratulated Peyton Manning after the Championship game.

Peyton Manning had nothing bad to say about Cam, quite the opposite actually.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

He's been plenty of respectful many times, and he gives what it fucking counts, off the field. Get over this shit.

I never said he didnt. I'm saying he didn't last night. He was off the field, and he sure as shit wasn't respectful of his obligations or anyone there asking him questions.

It's also real easy to be respectful when you're riding high. Literally anyone can be respectful when you're doing great.

Like I said, overall I like Cam. But it's pretty appearent that the dude has an ego and maturity problem.

 

[phanphare]

I sincerely doubt some of the people who defend his behaviour have ever stepped onto a sports field at all. Surely you learn by the age of 7 to respect your opponents. Cam doesn't look like he does. That's why people want to see him fail. Hell even the worlds most hated QB, Tom Brady, congratulated Peyton Manning after the Championship game.

.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

I never said he didnt. I'm saying he didn't last night. He was off the field, and he sure as shit wasn't respectful of his obligations or anyone there asking him questions.

It's also real easy to be respectful when you're riding high. Literally anyone can be respectful when you're doing great.

Like I said, overall I like Cam. But it's pretty appearent that the dude has an ego and maturity problem.

A competitive sports player that has people telling him he's the greatest since forever has an ego and maturity problem here and there? WHY I NEVER.

 

[shintoki]

That's the thing, people hated Lebron for his basketball antics here and there, but that dude gives a ton to charity, to helping kids, etc... You can whine and complain about his attitude all day, it doesn't change the fact he's doing a ton of good elsewhere, and in my estimation, that's the true test of someone's character. Everything else is filler.

MJ's and Bird's shit talking was legendary. Yet people loved them too. They won. Lebron won. He's won 2 and been in the last 5 finals.

A lot of it comes down to if you win or not.

 

[akira28]

fuchsdh, where did I complain, and to whom, about what?

 

[Zen_Arcade]

[/B]

A competitive sports player that has people telling him he's the greatest since forever has an ego and maturity problem here and there? WHY I NEVER.

You say this like there haven't been a shit load of great humble athletes throughout sports history. You also say this like any of that is an excuse. So it's cool for Cam to have these personality traits but if someone walking down the street acts the same exact way then he's a dick? Nah, athletes aren't some special snowflakes. If I was playing football in a park and a dude acted like Cam acts when he does well all game, then pouted like a whiny kid when my team came back and beat him, I wouldn't want to play around that guy anymore.

Face it, not everyone has the same maturity issues Cam does. Not even within the realm of pro sports.

 

[lawnchair]

[/B]

A competitive sports player that has people telling him he's the greatest since forever has an ego and maturity problem here and there? WHY I NEVER.

i understand almost all of your points .. i happen to think Cam overall is a great guy, his charity work is great, i love that he gives balls to kids, all that. all of that is more important than what he did in the post-game interview. but what he did in the post game interview was pretty out of left field. quarterbacks generally don't do that after losing superbowls. that's why it is being talked about, i think its pretty obvious.. he's under the biggest spotlight on the biggest stage in america and he walks out like a petulant kid. people are going to talk about that.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

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Who photo-shopped this? Cam would never show any love and respect in defeat.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

[/B]

A competitive sports player that has people telling him he's the greatest since forever has an ego and maturity problem here and there? WHY I NEVER.

So why marginalize how people feel regarding his maturity if you admit that he has a problem?
Telling people that should just stfu and get over it just because it bothers you isn't even constructive at all.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

i understand almost all of your points .. i happen to think Cam overall is a great guy, his charity work is great, i love that he gives balls to kids, all that. all of that is more important than what he did in the post-game interview. but what he did in the post game interview was pretty out of left field. quarterbacks generally don't do that after losing superbowls. that's why it is being talked about, i think its pretty obvious..

This is generally how I feel.

 

[theignoramus]

I sincerely doubt some of the people who defend his behaviour have ever stepped onto a sports field at all. Surely you learn by the age of 7 to respect your opponents. Cam doesn't look like he does. That's why people want to see him fail. Hell even the worlds most hated QB, Tom Brady, congratulated Peyton Manning after the Championship game.

His media interview was shitty but don't make shit up. I watched him congratulate Manning after the game.

 

[rawd]

This article, I think, sums up what a lot of people are probably feeling.

Newton, 26, an ebullient, intelligent, gifted quarterback, decided to act in his moment of truth like a 13-year-old. He slouched into the interview room late, well after many of his teammates — rookies and veterans alike — who gamely answered painful questions.

You're paid an immense amount of money to play a professional sport. Being the star player on the team, your are expected to be at press events and act like a professional regardless of the outcome of the game. After celebrating so much during the season including team selfies during the game, to act like he did in the presser shows a lack of maturity.

Fingers in ears, lalalalala

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

So why marginalize how people feel regarding his maturity if you admit that he has a problem?
Telling people that should just stfu and get over it just because it bothers you isn't even constructive at all.

You can can talk about some immature behavior at the press conference until you're fingers fall off, have at it hoss, but none of it actually matters, which means when next season starts, newton is rebooted and no one will give a shit, except those select few obsessed with humbleness in sports. 'Round and round we go.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

You can can talk about some immature behavior at the press conference until you're fingers fall off, have at it hoss, but none of it actually matters, which means when next season starts, newton is rebooted and no one will give a shit, except those select few obsessed with humbleness. 'Round and round we go.

Then why are you even in this thread criticizing people's opinions if you don't think any of it matters? I love how you want to come in here and point out how nobody's opinion about this subject matters on a forum where 99% of discussion doesn't really matter on any level more important or substantial than the conversation we are having right now.

You have a real bizarre line of thinking here.

"He's going to play football next year so you might as well not have opinions about him!"

 

[TheWarrior]

This was posted in the Super Bowl thread earlier.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/sh...-Super-Bowl-field-Is-h?urn=nfl,218314&print=0


I guess Peyton is worse than Cam.

Actually according to the article he was.

Apparently some think this is a sign of poor sportsmanship from the NFL's greatest player. It's not.

So many people did have that opinion of Peyton, and here is one author's attempt at refuting it.

Peyton had nuclear heat on him for most of his career. I never liked him, but recently I have gained respect for his career. In baseball that was always Ken Griffey Jr. I could not stand him because he was so good, it wasn't until later in his career that I wish I enjoyed watching him play more because of how good he was.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

You can can talk about some immature behavior at the press conference until you're fingers fall off, have at it hoss, but none of it actually matters, which means when next season starts, newton is rebooted and no one will give a shit, except those select few obsessed with humbleness in sports. 'Round and round we go.

What is the point of this post?

I don't think this guy is some horrible person. I'm merely pointing out some sportsmanship flaws. That's all. And there's been some discussion on the degree to which it was unsportsmanlike or not.

That's all this is. I'm not sure why you seem so hot and bothered telling people to get over it. Nothing I'm saying is terrible and unreasonable and I still have a fairly positive opinion of Cam.

 

[The Beard]

The reasons why people don't like Cam were on full display yesterday. It's not hard to understand. He's a multimillionaire man-child that shows up opponents when he's winning and acts like a child when losing.

That image of him backing away from his own fumble like it was a grenade, will be burned into sports fans minds for Cam's entire career. He's a fair weather teammate.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

What is the point of this post?

I don't think this guy is some horrible person. I'm merely pointing out some sportsmanship flaws. That's all. And there's been some discussion on the degree to which it was unsportsmanlike or not.

That's all this is. I'm not sure why you seem so hot and bothered telling people to get over it. Nothing I'm saying is terrible and unreasonable and I still have a fairly positive opinion of Cam.

I've seen more than enough of these kind of criticisms towards stars, and to for some people, it's all they can talk about, and it's all these people become and they won't let anyone forget it. You see it with Lebron, Serena, Cam, etc... I guess maybe that why I bothered to even comment, because I hate that crap, and to let that be how you judge someone's existence is sad as shit. I don't know who's actually doing that in this thread, but I've seen plenty of it elsewhere, and i'm commenting on THAT. People spend too much time obsessing over slights.

The reasons why people don't like Cam were on full display yesterday. It's not hard to understand. He's a multimillionaire man-child that shows up opponents when he's winning and acts like a child when losing.

That image of him backing away from his own fumble like it was a grenade, will be burned into sports fans minds for Cam's entire career. He's a fair weather teammate.

Case in point. 'burned into sports fans minds for Cam's entire career". It's kind of amazing how little it takes to make a sports fan turn rabid.

 

[Ronin]

If you're out representing your employer and you made an ass of yourself, it would be frowned upon. Cam is a multi-millionaire quarterback who is seen as the leader of the team and the face of the franchise. He's the league MVP and probably the sports biggest star, and he acted like pouty 8-year old. That looks awful for the Panthers and the NFL.

You suck it up. Take your lumps. And act like a professional. That's why you make the big bucks. It's not hard to understand why Cam gets shit on and I generally like the guy despite being a division rival.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

I've seen more than enough of these kind of criticisms towards stars, and to for some people, it's all they can talk about, and it's all these people become and they won't let anyone forget it. You see it with Lebron, Serena, Cam, etc... I guess maybe that why I bothered to even comment, because I hate that crap, and to let that be how you judge someone's existence is sad as shit. I don't know who's actually doing that in this thread, but I've seen plenty of it elsewhere, and i'm commenting on THAT. People spend too much time obsessing over slights.



Case in point. 'burned into sports fans minds for Cam's entire career". It's kind of amazing how little it takes to make a sports fan turn rabid.

Man, rabid is pretty hyperbolic there. He's not wrong. I love how you think that any criticism of a star is just someone sitting behind their computer foaming at the mouth instead of the possibility that someone is just stating their opinion.


TheBeard isn't wrong. Not diving for a fumble you dropped in a one score Super Bowl game is something that's going to stick with him his entire career. Especially if he never gets back to and wins a Super Bowl.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Enjoy yourself.

 

[The Beard]

Case in point. 'burned into sports fans minds for Cam's entire career". It's kind of amazing how little it takes to make a sports fan turn rabid.

Yes, sports fans are so fickle that they can't forget watching the self important MVP of the league backing away from his own fumble in the biggest game of his career, his coaches careers, and his teammates careers, as 100+ million people watched.

Giving up on your team is frowned upon. Weird huh?

 

[3N16MA]

Why so much focus on his presser after the SB? The hate for Newton started before that. Sure, he didn't handle that situation well but his actions do not explain why so many people hated him before he walked out.

 

[Arc]

so he was expected to wallow in his defeat for the cameras and the press, and he didn't give them the opportunity, so he's an arrogant shithead who probably thinks he actually won the superbowl?

sore losers. hm.

sore spectators seems like...

Yes. He's the star quarterback. He gets the glory from them, he takes his lumps from them.

Last night was pathetic. Man up and face the music Scam.

 

[Ronin]

Why so much focus on his presser after the SB? The hate for Newton started before that. Sure, he didn't handle that situation well but his actions do not explain why so many people hated him before he walked out.

Because this is how he acted before they started winning. There was the narrative this year of how he matured and learned, but that was only masked by the winning. They get dismantled and yup, same ol' Cam.

 

[3N16MA]

Because this is how he acted before they started winning. There was the narrative this year of how he matured and learned, but that was only masked by the winning. They get dismantled and yup, same ol' Cam.

Then why so much hate for him this season if he supposedly matured and learned? Seems that the hate was coming from fans of teams that are not even rivals of the Panthers. It also seemed to stem from his on field actions and not conforming to QB norms (whatever that is).

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

Then why so much hate for him this season if he supposedly matured and learned? Seems that the hate was coming from fans of teams that are not even rivals of the Panthers. It also seemed to stem from his on field actions and not conforming to QB norms (whatever that is).

The hate has always been there. You're just hearing more about it now because their amazing season made headlines all year. More time in the public eye leads to more praise and more scorn.

 

[TheFrza]

Why so much focus on his presser after the SB? The hate for Newton started before that. Sure, he didn't handle that situation well but his actions do not explain why so many people hated him before he walked out.

His actions last night just adds fuel to the fire and justifies the hate. It makes it way too easy

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Because this is how he acted before they started winning. There was the narrative this year of how he matured and learned, but that was only masked by the winning. They get dismantled and yup, same ol' Cam.

Cam himself said this isn't true and that he hasn't changed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgf8bgfcqN8


The lesson learned here should be to stop listening to media narratives.