LowlySmokeGuy
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Huh? Since when is Kobe a criminal? He get a DUI or something?
Why do people hate Cam Newton?
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Huh? Since when is Kobe a criminal? He get a DUI or something?
Ninja Scooter
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So Cam Newton hate mail is popular enough that his hometown site prints it "for clicks"? Wonder why that is? It's obvious the general perception with Cam is far different from other QBs in similar positions.
I don't know about all that. Sounds like you are generalizing here.
Citizen Mane
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He obviously doesn't give a shit if people don't like him, stop caring and let the man play.
silvermember
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What higher level of scrutinization? Why does it only apply to QB. The only scrutization must quarterbacks get is that they are good at their jobs. Tom Brady is a very private person, he makes the choice to not celebrate, there are no rules against him celebrating. This new imagine scrutinization is something you made up to rationalize whatever bias you have.
Some QB has bad histories that nobody ever mentions like rape or HGH or even cheating, but when a QB decides to celebrate he gets an angry letter bitching about his dancing.
Obviously, he doesn't care. It doesn't mean I shouldn't care that white racist think it is OK to dog on him. When he wins that super bowl, assuming the referees let that happen, it will only get worse.
Testicular Sound Express
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Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
I never really cared for him one way or the next...then I saw those pants
Pants of Life
Now I hate him and love him at the same time.
The real issue is that people don't like him but since he's black is can be perceived as racist. "Sports hate" is a different thing than "real hate". Something about Cam just sets people the wrong way, just like Johnny Football, Jay Cutler and others. It's the perception of the QB Position that people have a prejudice too.
There's a haircut you can set your watch to"
Pants of Life
Now I hate him and love him at the same time.
The real issue is that people don't like him but since he's black is can be perceived as racist. "Sports hate" is a different thing than "real hate". Something about Cam just sets people the wrong way, just like Johnny Football, Jay Cutler and others. It's the perception of the QB Position that people have a prejudice too.
This thread has an awful lot of (what I can only assume are) casual or non-fans of the NFL with the various citings of "white player celebrates BUT I DON'T HEAR ANYTHING."
If you follow the NFL long enough or deeply enough, you'll hear criticism of every player who does anything besides stand up, avoid all eye contact with opposing team, and jogs back to the huddle for the next snap. Caught celebrating? Admiring your handiwork a bit too much? Shouting at a teammate? Shouting at the ref? Shouting at the opposing sideline? There's a crusty boring lifeless NFL fan fuck criticizing it the moment it happens.
Including Jared Allen, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers, and other yet-to-be-made comparisons.
The "is Jeremy Shockey an asshole or not" debate among Giants fans was legendary for the hypocrisy it bred.
Ninja Scooter
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I'm using years of experience in watching sports and seeing the difference in the way black and white athletes are perceived and covered in the media. People get so defensive like nobody is saying that everyone who hates Cam is a racist. Nobody is saying there aren't some people who hate Cam for "legitimate" reasons (He beat my team! type of shit). But do we have discussions like this about white players who exhibit many of the same traits as Cam? When was the last time there was a national discussion about Aaron Rodgers or JJ Watt's cockiness? Why do you think that is?
BennyBlanco
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You should hear the things WFAN callers were saying about Mark Sanchez a few years ago. Or Eli before his 1st ring.
I'm sure people are critical of Cam Newton on talk radio everywhere. Is it so much more than any other NFL QB gets that we need a thread about it?
Great video, I will need to share this with others.
BassForever
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As a bucs fan I'm contractually obligated to hate him since he's a division rival qb.
In all seriousness I have no problem with him being so emotional and showy, if anything I wish more players were (and weren't flagged for it). The fact he's consistently showy when his team is both great and terrible shows that's just who he is.
Also as others said, he's hated because he's black and "im not racist but..."/institutional racism impact perception of him unfairly.
In all seriousness I have no problem with him being so emotional and showy, if anything I wish more players were (and weren't flagged for it). The fact he's consistently showy when his team is both great and terrible shows that's just who he is.
Also as others said, he's hated because he's black and "im not racist but..."/institutional racism impact perception of him unfairly.
Those things are acceptable when the right people do them. It's just like when Kylie Jenner rocked dreadlocks and Teen Vogue described her as edgy, raw and beautiful. Zendaya wore the same hairstyle this year -- but was bashed for it. "Fashion Police" host Giuliana Rancic said she looked like she "smells like patchouli oil or weed.
There is most assuredly a double standard.
DeaconKnowledge
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While I agree that there is merit to that who was the last quarterback you saw take the type of heat Cam has just because they haven't won a Super Bowl?
You didn't answer the question.
He sure is a damn good athlete. You gotta love watching one of the best work.
I draw the line at taunting the opposition. Mocking or taunting players or fans is not celebrating. But Newton doesn't really do that. He gets unfair criticism for just celebrating. How far is too far? Arrogance is never going to be respected, but let the guy have some fun.
The NFL and their fans could lighten up a bit on celebrating, but I do understand that they can't let just anything go. Taunting the opposition just ends up having unwanted consequences.
I draw the line at taunting the opposition. Mocking or taunting players or fans is not celebrating. But Newton doesn't really do that. He gets unfair criticism for just celebrating. How far is too far? Arrogance is never going to be respected, but let the guy have some fun.
The NFL and their fans could lighten up a bit on celebrating, but I do understand that they can't let just anything go. Taunting the opposition just ends up having unwanted consequences.
silvermember
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Jared Allen rarely if ever got called out. People didn't get called out Rogers for his antics, they call him out because his team fell apart after week 6. I know this because I am vikings fan.
Lol, yea, right. People can't state defined reasons other than he's cocky and smug for their dislike most of the time. Go look at any nfl fan board that plays the panthers, the tennessee one is hilarious. Dude is unapologetically black, people try to act like McNabb didn't get shit on, and like cam, only getting any levity when he had some success. Kaepernick got shit on for being a thug, with numerous articles coming out about his tatoos and image, always perfectly paired with an article about Russel Wilson and his white wife being good christians.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Oh I understand that. There's just a subtext to the whole thing missing from criticism of other QBs.
ThatStupidLion
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hahaha clearly you're not familiar with being used in this context and only associate "loud" with the audible context.
you're attacking me like i'm out to get cam... when in fact in my first post I praise the guy because he's my football teams savior and i love the guy. I'm the biggest proponent of Cam and just like you can comment, I can comment with my opinion to the OP's question that race has less to do with it than people are making it out to be and there are a lot more factors at play then just race.
i honestly don't care - I'm just gonna go watch my man win the superbowl and dab all over your tv screens.
#KeepPounding #PantherPride
Yes I did? He was arrested for sexual assault and settled out of court.
Are you aware of the case?
LowlySmokeGuy
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Don't you have to be found guilty of the crime to be considered a criminal?
CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls
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It's the court of public opinion!
ElectricBlanketFire
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DragonSworne
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Look at the hate Ray Lewis gets. People think he killed someone.
Hey hey, that was #8, #24 is one of the good ones.
I thought Ray was always about snitching or not snitching, not really just doing it himself, and the whole killing thing kind of stuck? Marvin Harrison killed someone.
Citizen Mane
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My message came out completely wrong when I was writing it but I meant to say people should stop caring about his antics.
The Albatross
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Wait... Wait... what world do you live in where you think that people don't mention Ben Rothlisberger's rape charges or Tom Brady's false allegations of cheating?
This is what drives me crazy... when people say things like "lol nobody ever talks about Tom Brady cheating or Ben ROthlisberger raping someone." Everybody mentions rape whenever they talk about Rothlisberger. And there was a 9 month non-stop news cycle about Tom Brady's unfounded allegations of cheating last year. We had maybe half a dozen threads, all with hundreds of posts, about Brady. The league did a huge investigation and tried to suspend him for four games over it. It was one of the most talked about stories of the year.
Now, Manning and HGH, you're sort of right that it hasn't gotten much national attention, but it's still been a pretty major story that has had a lot of people talking about it and criticizing Manning and his wife for. Ultimately though, the story seems unfounded in fact, so I'm glad it hasn't gotten more attention.
I hate when somebody pretends that some mom in Seattle writing a blog post about Cam Newton throwing a Seahawks flag is comparable in attention/criticism to what Tom Brady got for doing nothing last year. There was a 24-hour news cycle for Brady for 9 months.. from the moment that the AFC championship game ended to the opening kickoff of 2015 every story was "Deflategate" and Brady.
It's 2015. In 2010, the year Aaron Rodgers officially broke through into superstardom and introduced the world to his belt taunt, he got tons of heat for that. WFAN before the Super Bowl had a ton of callers complaining about his arrogance and showmanship and hoping he'd lose, and that's a NY station.
Then he won a SB and parlayed the move into some sweet SCH from State Farm. Now he's established, has his credibility with the win, and there's much less talk.
This is Cam's superstar year.
Cam undoubtedly gets it worse because he's black and he's playing QB. Many of the same soulless drones who dislike white QBs when they're not good corporate football citizens turn that dislike up several notches because he's black.
But position plays a role. And, for some fans, emotion of any kind draws ire.
Yes. No charges. That's why I said you didn't show where he was a criminal.
I'm from Alabama.
No one here hates Cam Newton.
Not on the internet and especially not on here
No one here hates Cam Newton.
Not on the internet and especially not on here
When you say everyone, you mean fans right? Because the media treats his rape like adversity he had to overcome, and never mentions it. And obviously not steelers fans, otherwise they'd never talk trash to any team.
andthebeatgoeson
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#staywoke
I nominate ninja for black man of the year. He can get the award right after that guy gets his oscar for playing michael jackson. Or Tom Hanks for his upcoming film.
Seriously. Brady yells at officials like a petulant kid. Johnny Manziel sucks donkey balls and you can't fire him. And had a shittier college scandal compared to Scam. Yeah, he's a high round pick but that's not stopping Washington from running RG3 out of town or his coaches from treating him like shit and throwing him under the bus.
I'm sure there is another reason why these things happen, that brings up the Htown principle but it could be that it's racism.
That highlights the unfair comparison. A newspaper thought it worthy to print a letter complaining about an athlete having a baby out of wedlock. Because they are usually upstanding citizens. I was horrified.
What is a load?
10?
100?
I guarantee other players for other teams get tons of hate mail, but they aren't publicized because it's not news worthy.
Who is this jojo character
Yeah, Peyton is so terrible that I'm rooting for Cam and the Panthers. I feel... dirty.
Agreed on the second part. There's plenty to dislike about Cam Newton that goes beyond the color of his skin.
Ray Lewis deserves every ounce of hate that he gets. Where's that white suit that he wore on the night of those murders? "Disappeared", you say?
Two men were taken from their loved ones that night, and no one was properly punished for what happened, including Lewis.
Ninja Scooter
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And why is it newsworthy in Cam's case? Why does the Charlotte Observer feel they can get clicks and publicity by publishing these stories? WHy are we here? What are the series of events that led to Cam Newton's character and personality being such a hot button issue? Why is there a thread a week out from the Super Bowl asking why people hate Cam Newton? Why has there been so many opinion pieces in the media about the same subject over the last month or so? Are people making this up?
Megalosaro
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It's because he's having fun. You see him or there and he looks like he's having the time of his life.
Good for him I say
Good for him I say
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The problem is that this argument simply hand-waves the issue of proof by saying "well America is more racist since Obama became president." This isn't a nuanced analysis: it's low-hanging fruit. The problem is that if Russell Wilson sells the most jerseys in the NFL (he does, by the way) and you just hand-wave every single counter example that perhaps some segment of people dislike Cam Newton based on his actions as opposed to his race by resorting to increasingly complicated stereotypes - "there is a segment of fans who hate Cam Newton and love Russell Wilson but are still racist" and then posit an even more specific stereotype as to why, but don't prove any proof that this is what is going on because "that's the way America is," its simply jumping to conclusions.
Well, I've never heard anyone say "I like Russell Wilson, but I don't like Cam Newton because Wilson acts like a black man should act and Cam Newton doesn't." I've heard a lot of people pre-suppose this is a thing being said and I've even heard people say they don't like black people in general, but I haven't heard that one. Is there a guy like that out there? I imagine in a country with 300 million people, there are, but it looks and sounds just like a media manufactured controversy so we can sell the super bowl as a "Blacs vs. Whites" issue based on the contrast between Newton and Manning.
It's distilling a nuanced, complicated question into a suspiciously specific stereotype of the Racist Everyman, when I don't its any more unfair of an argument to suggest there are actually people who don't like players who celebrate excessively in general because both of those are just based on guesses as to why "people" (whoever that is) don't like Cam Newton (which I think is media manufactured and overblown to begin with).
The Albatross
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Yeah, by everyone I mean fans and yeah it's almost always just fans of teams other than the Steelers. Every non-steeler's fan casually calls Rothlisberger "Raplesberger" or whenever Steeler's fans boast about the team, somebody mentions that their QB is a rapist.
It's true that the media doesn't cover Rothlisberger's rape story as much as they used to... but that was a huge story 10 years ago when the allegations came out (or w/e it was).
And regarding Newton, it's only fans who are criticizing him of preening and over-celebrating. The blogger mom who wrote "an open letter" about Newton was a Seahawks fan butthurt that the Seahawks were getting crushed, or a Titans fan earlier in the season. In terms of media attention, he's the most celebrated QB in the NFL and probably the most marketed player in the NFL. Media loves him for the celebrations, dancing, preening, and everything else. The NFL is glad that the Panthers have finally put together a powerhouse season that they can focus more attention on Newton.
andthebeatgoeson
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Because it's important that we all know the morality police do not approve.
Thanks Charlotte Observer. I'm glad you answered my question.
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