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So what exactly are you trying to say? That racism doesn't exist because it doesn't affect everyone equally? Are you going to deny that a lot of the criticism Barack Obama has received is racially motivated? Why? Because Denzel or Will Smith don't get it the same?

And again I ask, the fact that Manziel seems to be people's go to for "See people dislike white QBs too!" sort of makes the point that these guys are being held to completely different standards.

I'm not trying to say anything other than what I actually already did say. The color of his skin is not the reason (imo) that many people seem to not like Cam Newton. I am not saying that some people don't hate him because he's black. I'm sure some people do as it's the unfortunate reality of the world. It just isn't the reason we have this thread.

And Manziel just immediately comes to mind. People also don't like Brady, or a closer example could be Clay Matthews. Not on Cams level but still easily dislikable because of his showing off/celebrations. Maybe JJ Watt? I've never watched him but people don't like him either. It just isn't the skin color is all I'm saying.

 

[CherryWoodFuton]

brb dying

Bruh those pants


Ridiculous

 

[braves01]

The dab is a bad influence for kids since it's about smoking weed.

 

[Lonestar]

Go Dawgs! Stop by the CFB thread in community sometime.

Also, Cam is kind of the worst of the worst because he's a former Gata turned Auburn Tiger. That said, he's still fun to watch as long as he's not doing it in college anymore and he's not playing the Falcons.

He was paid to give Auburn a National Championship. He has forever earned my hate. May he never win another game again.

His celebrations are stupid, but most football celebrations are. Way too many "bird/wing" ones out there for my tastes. Now, grabbing a fan's popcorn and throwing it down onto your facemask. Perfecto.

The thing that perturbed my ire (back @ Auburn) was his odd maneuver of lying down on the field after the play's over, like he's injured. Then he jumps up like nothing happened. What the hell was up with that? Does he still do that now?

Peyton was always a goober, never won anything in College, and threw footballs at kids heads in an SNL sketch. He's grown on me as much as a Tennessee player could, which is just Passive Hate.


Now, I've heard it's a "Southern thing" to go around wearing loafers without socks. I must have missed that meeting.

 

[Purple Cheeto]

I'd like to believe people hate Cam because the dude can throw with no leverage/legs and still deliver a 40 yard strike. He's a freak show, has all the physical gifts, and isn't anywhere near his peak if you ask me. Oh, and he's cocky as fuck. I love it.

A week or so ago, Mech mentioned in the NFL thread that he hated the read option. Not sure why, but he's not the only one. They think power run with the QB is a gimmick, NFL fans are resistant to change. They hate that their game is morphing into the spread no huddle Offense they termed garbage when they tuned in for a minute or two on a typical Saturday afternoon/evening.

Cam represents that change, so does Wilson for that matter and many find his game overrated as well, just go back and bump the contract thread that was posted in the OT back in the summer, but Cam is the pinnacle. A physical specimen like no other.



Here we go with the Wilson hate again...

This is definitely true and goes back to a lot of why people thought Cam would fail coming out of college, because he was in an offense that didn't ask him to do a lot of "thinking" and so he'd never be able to grasp the "complexities" of the NFL. But this is one of those dumb NFL things where fans and coaches like to act like its so complex and hard and that only some player's are somehow magically smart enough to play and even fewer are smart enough to play QB.

Luckily for Cam he got to an organization and coaching staff that wasn't so far up its own ass that it built around his unique talents and abilities and he's been able to succeed and grow. Rather than the horror story of careers like Vick, RG3, Tebow or even Johnny Football. Same thing with Russell Wilson, he got to play for a team that was able to figure out how to maximize what he brings to the table instead of trying to mould him into the prototypical 1960s statue QB.

Football is a pretty racist pro sport. If you ever watch the draft stuff the coded language used is incredibly disgusting.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I'm not trying to say anything other than what I actually already did say. The color of his skin is not the reason (imo) that many people seem to not like Cam Newton. I am not saying that some people don't hate him because he's black. I'm sure some people do as it's the unfortunate reality of the world. It just isn't the reason we have this thread.

And Manziel just immediately comes to mind. People also don't like Brady, or a closer example could be Clay Matthews. Not on Cams level but still easily dislikable because of his showing off/celebrations. Maybe JJ Watt? I've never watched him but people don't like him either. It just isn't the skin color is all I'm saying.

Why does Manziel immediately come to mind so often in relation to Cam Newton?

 

[LionPride]

People like to think that because the NFL is mostly black that folks don't have prejudice towards most/any black players. Black QBs are held to another standard, they are supposed to not do anything at all. No dancing, no celebrating, none of that. Black QBs will always be held to a different standard. People make mistakes, especially if they are young star athletes. Cam made his mistakes and has improved as a person majorly. Yet his mistakes are remembered.

People hate Cam because he is outside the norm, a TE sized QB who is a duel threat who will celebrate and be happy about his team succeeding.

 

[Seventy_X_Seven]

The hate is exaggerated, and whatever hate there is I'm pretty sure it's not because he's a black QB.

1) He's a successful athlete. Why do people hate Lebron or Kobe?
2) He's a successful QB. Why do people hate Tom Brady? Especially when you consider that many teams go years or decades without a successful QB, there's much to envy and hate.
3) He was a successful college player and transferred for 1 semester at Auburn. Everyone in the SEC besides Auburn will hate him, and more.

I would also note that again the hate is exaggerated. And when people say "hate" they're really referring to that other uncoined term used to describe a sports fan's feelings to a good player on an opposing team.

 

[phanphare]

Why does Manziel immediately come to mind so often in relation to Cam Newton?

people think it takes race out of the equation to show a white guy that everybody hates too

 

[theignoramus]

Its not just because hes black. RG3 is black and everyone loved him. Its because he rubs peoples face in hip hop culture and braggadocio, which many people hate.

 

[The Beard]

So what exactly are you trying to say? That racism doesn't exist because it doesn't affect everyone equally? Are you going to deny that a lot of the criticism Barack Obama has received is racially motivated? Why? Because Denzel or Will Smith don't get it the same?

And again I ask, the fact that Manziel seems to be people's go to for "See people dislike white QBs too!" sort of makes the point that these guys are being held to completely different standards.

Are you serious? Do you think anybody that dislikes Cam is a racist? Or even half the people? Race is part of it for some people, not all.

Literally nobody here has said racism doesn't exist. Bringing up the fact that Tom Brady has been one of the most hated football players for over a decade, is not saying racism doesn't exist. It's saying that people always hate on winners. Partly because they're whooping on their favorite teams every season, and partly because of jealousy.

 

[AlimNassor]

Partially race but, from I've seen most hate any showboaty NFL players not on their team. I never understand this logic. Do people really just want boring stick in the mud players?

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Are you serious? Do you think anybody that dislikes Cam is a racist? Or even half the people? Race is part of it for some people, not all.

Did I say that? I'm saying it's a part of why he is perceived the way he is. Race plays a factor.

 

[theignoramus]

Partially race but, from I've seen most hate any showboaty NFL players not on their team. I never understand this logic. Do people really just want boring stick in the mud players?

Theres a huge crossover between the NFL audience and the MLB audience, many of whom want robotic players.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Are you serious? Do you think anybody that dislikes Cam is a racist? Or even half the people?

Literally nobody here has said racism doesn't exist. Bringing up the fact that Tom Brady has been one of the most hated football players for over a decade, is not saying racism doesn't exist. It's saying that people always hate on winners. Partly because they're whooping on their favorite teams every season, and partly because of jealousy.

They seem to be fighting pretty hard to suggest it couldn't possibly be racism playing a role to some extent, which is hilarious considering the history of professional sports, and you know, America; then, now and apparently forever.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Are you serious? Do you think anybody that dislikes Cam is a racist? Or even half the people? Race is part of it for some people, not all.

Did I say that? I'm saying it's a part of why he is perceived the way he is. Race plays a factor. And I was responding to someone who suggested that the idea that race plays a factor is "some kind of joke or something", as if it's preposterous to believe that race in 2016 in America could play a factor in how a very public person of color is perceived or treated by the public and the media. Institutional racism and prejudice is a very real thing because of it. Not every racist is a boogeyman in a white sheet and burning crosses on the lawn.

 

[The Beard]

Did I say that? I'm saying it's a part of why he is perceived the way he is. Race plays a factor.

Yeah, you're sort of implying it. Do you think everyone dislikes him because he's black, or just some people?

 

[blakep267]

Its not just because hes black. RG3 is black and everyone loved him. Its because he rubs peoples face in hip hop culture and braggadocio, which many people hate.

Eh I'd say that it is. RG3 is seen as "one of the good ones" by some people. Where as Cam is in your face, brash and plays by his own rules. And people don't like to see a successful black man do that. They want them to be quiet, meek, tamed etc

Like why did people hate TO and Randy Moss and love receiver like Jerry Rice?

To be clear, I'm not saying this to down RG3 or JR etc. I have no problem with them

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Yeah, you're sort of implying it. Do you think everyone dislikes him because he's black, or just some people?

I'm not implying that at all. No I think there are a lot of reasons people hate him, some racially motivated and some not. But I also think the standards are not equal, especially for public personas and people in the spotlight, and for some people, the things he does that rub them the wrong way or make them dislike him are also things they would not be so up in arms about if a white player did.

Yes, it's true that people also hate Johnny Manziel and Tom Brady. But you have to look at the reasons. Manziel is an entitled punk with a drug/alcohol problem who is throwing his career away. Tom Brady is perceived as a whiner and a cheater. These are the reasons they are hated. Cam Newton celebrates too hard. I don't think a white player would get as much shit if his biggest transgression would be that he "celebrates too hard". That's the point I'm trying to make. When Cam or another black athlete does something, it's picked apart, analyzed and focused on more than when a white athlete does it. The playing field in terms of perception and even the media is not equal. I don't think this is that outlandish to think. That doesn't mean everyone is racist.

 

[LyleLanley]

You're crazy if you think race isn't a huge part of why Cam is so hated. JJ Watt could have sex with a football in the endzone and everyone would just laugh along with the big goofball but every time Cam dances for more than an "appropriate" amount of time we get a think piece from some asshole or a letter from a "concerned mother."

 

[The Beard]

I'm not implying that at all. No I think there are a lot of reasons people hate him, some racially motivated and some not. But I also think the standards are not equal, especially for public personas and people in the spotlight, and for some people, the things he does that rub them the wrong way or make them dislike him are also things they would not be so up in arms about if a white player did.

Ok, I can agree with that. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Greg]

He's a black QB that is leading the best team in football. He's going to be MVP. He smiles. He dresses nice. He dances. He's doing it all while winning and playing at a high level. Basically seen as a threat to most white armchair Qbs.

The "I can't quite put my finger on why I don't like him" expression is code for "I can't stand this dude and his culture".

Smokey pls

I hated when he combined the gloating with being a pouty bitch - same as Tom Brady, Edelman, that piece of shit Brad Jones, and every receiver who holds the ball out in front of themselves and drops it after a first down and flag begs on every other play

lots of maturation, but winning makes a lot of things easy!

 

[Hoho for breakfast]

You're crazy if you think race isn't a huge part of why Cam is so hated. JJ Watt could have sex with a football in the endzone and everyone would just laugh along with the big goofball but every time Cam dances for more than an "appropriate" amount of time we get a think piece from some asshole or a letter from a "concerned mother."

Maybe but I think that more likely boils down to the difference in popularity. People know who Cam Newton is. He's a star quarterback. JJ Watt is...some football player for the Texans that I've heard of?

With that said I do agree with the letter from a "concerned mother" part though. Give me a break.

 

[LionPride]

The hate is exaggerated, and whatever hate there is I'm pretty sure it's not because he's a black QB.

1) He's a successful athlete. Why do people hate Lebron or Kobe?
2) He's a successful QB. Why do people hate Tom Brady? Especially when you consider that many teams go years or decades without a successful QB, there's much to envy and hate.
3) He was a successful college player and transferred for 1 semester at Auburn. Everyone in the SEC besides Auburn will hate him, and more.

I would also note that again the hate is exaggerated. And when people say "hate" they're really referring to that other uncoined term used to describe a sports fan's feelings to a good player on an opposing team.

There is so much dislike for Cam for being a black QB, it is a fact. Of course there is hate because of Conference shit, success, and what not but there is hate because of his skin. There no denying that

 

[The Albatross]

Gotta say man, you sound like a hater.

I think albatross is admitting that he/she is a hater

Yeah that was my point. Used to root for the Panthers, but not anymore. I definitely don't hate Newton though, still has a tons of ability and is well earned MVP this year. But, nope, I don't like all the preening on a winning team. Ron Rivera is still one of my favorite coaches though

I'll be rooting for them on Sunday, but begrudgingly. I dislike Carolina & Newton less than I dislike Denver & Manning.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Maybe but I think that more likely boils down to the difference in popularity. People know who Cam Newton is. He's a star quarterback. JJ Watt is...some football player for the Texans that I've heard of?

With that said I do agree with the letter from a "concerned mother" part though. Give me a break.

some football player from the Texans that nobody has ever heard of who is the 6th most popular in the league based on jersey sales (Cam ranked 22nd, by the way) and who also is in the top 5 in terms of endorsement earnings (only non-QB in the top 5, and also, again, ahead of Cam). Yeah nobody's ever heard of him.

 

[HoodWinked]

there have been a black QB in the superbowl 4 years straight but this year especially there is more attention towards him simply because cam has just been in the spotlight. racism isnt even the main contributor to people hating him. simply being in the spotlight means there will be people being vocal about hating him.

i mean look how many people hate tom brady because he gets alot of attention.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

there have been a black QB in the superbowl 4 years straight but this year especially there is more attention towards him simply because cam has just been in the spotlight. racism isnt even the main contributor to people hating him. simply being in the spotlight means there will be people being vocal about hating him.

i mean look how many people hate tom brady because he gets alot of attention.

The people who hate Tom Brady do so, in part, because he has been linked to cheating twice in his career, spy gate and deflate gate. That is what hurts his perception as a player. Cam has been nothing but a model citizen since he stepped foot in the NFL.

 

[LyleLanley]

there have been a black QB in the superbowl 4 years straight but this year especially there is more attention towards him simply because cam has just been in the spotlight. racism isnt even the main contributor to people hating him. simply being in the spotlight means there will be people being vocal about hating him.

i mean look how many people hate tom brady because he gets alot of attention.

I think there's a pretty clear difference in how people hate Tom Brady and how they hate Cam. Brady gets shit for whining and cheating, Cam gets hate for dancing and celebrating too much.

 

[Anbokr]

Why do people hate Tom Brady? Successful quarterbacks aren't all that well liked (most are handsome, rich, successful, and have some sort of ego so of course people are going to hate and be envious). I think Manning/Wilson are part of the fortunate handful that somehow make it by and are well liked by fans of most teams.

Race might be a factor for some people, but I don't see it as the dominant factor at all. If it was, Russel Wilson would be about as maligned when the Seahawks were at the forefront. Is Tom Brady hated because he's white lol? Na. 'Cheating' is an excuse to enviously hate Brady as he shalacks your team, and 'Showboating' is the equivalent for Cam as he shalacks your team. I think it stems from pure envy, both dude's have it all.

Hell, to go beyond football. Look at Ronaldo, probably the best comparison imo. Dude is probably the nicest and most charitable dude on Earth, yet he's maligned as a bratty egomaniac.

 

[Ronin Ray]

Maybe but I think that more likely boils down to the difference in popularity. People know who Cam Newton is. He's a star quarterback. JJ Watt is...some football player for the Texans that I've heard of?

With that said I do agree with the letter from a "concerned mother" part though. Give me a break.

I am not sure what your watching but JJ Watt is huge and one of the faces of the NFL.

 

[HoodWinked]

people hated tom brady long before any of the cheating came out.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Maybe but I think that more likely boils down to the difference in popularity. People know who Cam Newton is. He's a star quarterback. JJ Watt is...some football player for the Texans that I've heard of?

JJ Watt is on Cam's level in terms of recognition and has been in national advertising campaigns.

 

[Hoho for breakfast]

JJ Watt is on Cam's level in terms of recognition and has been in national advertising campaigns.

some football player from the Texans that nobody has ever heard of who is the 6th most popular in the league based on jersey sales (Cam ranked 22nd, by the way) and who also is in the top 5 in terms of endorsement earnings (only non-QB in the top 5, and also, again, ahead of Cam). Yeah nobody's ever heard of him.

That alone (JJ Watt at number 5 in sales with Cam Newton at number 22) is crazy to me. So what do I know I guess. I can really only speak for myself. I don't know who the hell Watt is really but I certainly know who Newton is.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

people hated tom brady long before any of the cheating came out.

To the degree they do now? Horseshit. The perception and image of Tom Brady and Bill Belichek changed big time after Spygate and Deflategate.

The constant comparisons to Brady and worse, Manziel, are simply making the point. To be on an even level in terms of how guys are viewed and what kind of image they have, a white QB can be an insufferable prick with a drinking problem who may or may not have cheated on multiple occasions....a black QB can be a model citizen who does a lot of charity and is constantly smiling and who dances after touchdowns. These two are on the same level. Both worthy of being hated. But nah, race isn't a factor.

 

[Lonestar]

JJ Watt is on Cam's level in terms of recognition and has been in national advertising campaigns.

He's horrible, like a big, talking piece of lumber. Cam at least has gotten better, with that most recent yogurt one (where he went all Multiplicity on that yogurt).

 

[Shmuppers]

I both attend Auburn and grew up in Charlotte, lol. He's basically my God.

 

[The Albatross]

some football player from the Texans that nobody has ever heard of who is the 6th most popular in the league based on jersey sales (Cam ranked 22nd, by the way) and who also is in the top 5 in terms of endorsement earnings (only non-QB in the top 5, and also, again, ahead of Cam). Yeah nobody's ever heard of him.

Not that this undoes your point, but Newton is the #5 jersey and Watt is #9.

http://www.nflshop.com/pages/Top_Selling_Jerseys

1. Brady
2. Beckham Jr
3. Gronk
4. Rodgers
5. Cam
6. Keuchly
7. Dez
8. Wilson
9. Watt
10. Antonio Brown

When NFL posts their updated numbers I'd imagine Cam will be #1 or maybe behind Brady, but probably not.

Still Watt is obviously super well known, hell he's on track to be the greatest defensive player in NFL history. For what it's worth though, Watt gets a lot of criticism for his rehearsed, choreographed stupid garbage. I can't stand Watt, especially after Hard Knocks this season. But it's also normal for more people to love and hate a quarterback than a defensive player, especially when it's a QB on a 15-1, best team in the NFL. Brady is the #1 jersey seller, but he's likely the most hated player by fans in the NFL too.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

brb dying

Between him and my sister, I'm starting to hate the color yellow..

 

[elrechazado]

I enjoy watching cam because he seems to flat out love playing ball. You can't fake the smiles that the cameras are always catching. So much better than manning face or Brady flag begging. Plus he plays for a non traditionally strong team, what's not to like?

Last year the only way I could have enjoyed the Super Bowl was to have a meteor hit the stadium. This year I'm cool with either team and just hope it's a great game.

 

[Kastrioti]

I love watching Cam play and the way he plays the game. Even though he's in the NFC, I somewhat root for him as long as it does not go against the Lions playoff interests. This year he led his team to 15-1 and has balled the fuck out.

That said, I still think he, and the Panthers, have a hell of a matchup against the Broncos D, and I think people are sleeping on the Broncos keeping the game close and potentially winning.

And yes, most of the hate towards him is racial and it's because he plays QB.

This shit though (which I personally love)?

Is disrespectful to any defensive player playing the game. I personally LOL'd, but as someone who's played defense if someone dances on our home turf like that, best believe you're making yourself a target.

There are celebrations and there are awesome, excessive celebrations like what Cam is doing.

Avery Williamson (#54) of the Titans had a right to be pissed off and Cam can/and will continue to do what he wants when he gets in the endzone.

The argument goes, "well if you don't like his dancing keep out of the endzone." Touché.

But how a individual defensive player decides to keep him out of the endzone the next series is up to that defensive player. And it may not be pretty.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Not that this undoes your point, but Newton is the top #5 jersey and Watt is #9.

http://www.nflshop.com/pages/Top_Selling_Jerseys

1. Brady
2. Beckham Jr
3. Gronk
4. Rodgers
5. Cam
6. Keuchly
7. Dez
8. Wilson
9. Watt
10. Antonio Brown

When NFL posts their updated numbers I'd imagine Cam will be #1 or maybe behind Brady, but probably not.

Still Watt is obviously super well known, hell he's on track to be the greatest defensive player in NFL history. For what it's worth though, Watt gets a lot of criticism for his rehearsed, choreographed stupid garbage. I can't stand Watt, especially after Hard Knocks this season. But it's also normal for more people to love and hate a quarterback than a defensive player, especially when it's a QB on a 15-1, best team in the NFL. Brady is the #1 jersey seller, but he's likely the most hated player by fans in the NFL too.

my bad the list I looked at was NFLPA player sales list, which I guess takes into account all merchandise and not just jersey sales. This is where Watt ranks 6th and Cam 22nd.
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/a...les-list/417fa1f6-c659-4d02-af45-06941fae03dd

 

[Lonestar]

I love watching Cam play and the way he plays the game. Even though he's in the NFC, I somewhat root for him as long as it does not go in the Lions playoff interests. This year he led his team to 15-1 and has balled the fuck out.

That said, I still think he, and the Panthers, have a hell of a matchup against the Broncos D, and I think people are sleeping on the Broncos keeping the game close and potentially winning.

And yes, most of the hate towards him is racial and it's because he plays QB.

This shit though (which I personally love)?

Is disrespectful to any defensive player playing the game. I personally LOL'd, but as someone who's played defense if someone dances on our home turf like that, best believe you're making yourself a target.

There are celebrations and there are awesome, excessive celebrations like what Cam is doing.

Avery Williamson (#54) of the Titans had a right to be pissed off and Cam can/and will continue to do what he wants when he gets in the endzone.

The argument goes, "well if you don't like his dancing keep out of the endzone." Touché. But how am individual defensive player decides to keep him out of the endzone the next series is up to him.

Thing I want to know: Who let the fricken handycam guy out onto the field?

 

[Ninja Scooter]

There are celebrations and there are awesome, excessive celebrations like what Cam is doing.

Avery Williamson (#54) of the Titans had a right to be pissed off and Cam can/and will continue to do what he wants when he gets in the endzone.

.

except that Avery Wiliams (#54) did this earlier in that same game when he got a sack on Cam Newton

So he can fuck right off trying to act all "disrespected" later.

 

[DrGonzo615]

Time to start a hashtag #WhitePeoplelikeCam

Being a 9ers fan, Im just happy they sent Seattle home. I would be cool to see Manning go out on top but Im rooting for the Panthers.

 

[Hyperbole]

It's because he's black playing a typically white position.

Yup all this. His arrogant, flippant attitude combined with stratospheric ego doesn't come in to it at all.

 

[Greg]

except that Avery Wiliams (#54) did this earlier in that same game when he got a sack on Cam Newton

So he can fuck right off trying to act all "disrespected" later.

you can't hold a lowly LB from Ohio to the same standards as a starting QB, Scooter

 

[Line_HTX]

He's horrible, like a big, talking piece of lumber. Cam at least has gotten better, with that most recent yogurt one (where he went all Multiplicity on that yogurt).

Chopping wood is hard work though!

 

[Kastrioti]

except that Avery Wiliams (#54) did this earlier in that same game when he got a sack on Cam Newton

So he can fuck right off trying to act all "disrespected" later.

Yes, a quick 3 second sack dance. Avery can do that. Aaron Rodgers can do his discount double check real quick.

Matthew Stafford and Calvin Jonhson can do this after we BTFO the Cowboys in yet another comeback win against them:

What Cam did in terms of all celebrations was excessive, and like I said, enjoyable. But if I was playing defensive end against him that particular day? After that TD dance, I'm coming for him harder than I did before.

Shit talking is a natural part of the game but Cam makes himself a target against opposing NFL defenses if he's celebrating like he did against the Titans.

 

[Caja 117]

except that Avery Wiliams (#54) did this earlier in that same game when he got a sack on Cam Newton

So he can fuck right off trying to act all "disrespected" later.

There is a distinctive difference between an excessive celebration and a normal celebration, guess who did the excessive one.