Why do people hate Cam Newton?

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Infinite said:
How is his behavior so far an example of being an "immature shithead" and why do you even care about it outside of him throwing the fucking ball on the field?
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Do you even sports, bro? Sports are soap operas for grown men. Everyone has an opinion on the personalities of the big stars in their favourite sports. Every sport has guys marked down as the heroes or villains for the silliest reasons. It's the nature of the entire exercise, fuck it might even be the point of the entire exercise.

One thing it 100% is NOT, is exclusive to Mr. Cam Newton.
 
MushroomSamba said:
lol, the guy taunts and celebrates when things are going well, then turns into the biggest cry baby and can't handle a post-game interview once things don't go his way. He's gonna get poked fun of, regardless of race. Sorry.
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The hate directed towards Newton came long before the SB loss. The Panthers didn't do a lot of losing during the regular season and he was hated on. His on field celebration is not much different than a lot of stuff that gets ignored from other players. Much of the hate directed towards him seemed personal rather than a fan of a rival team who simply does not like the Panthers.

Anyone trying to act as if the colour of his skin does not play a factor is simply being ignorant.
 
3N16MA said:
The hate directed towards Newton came long before the SB loss. The Panthers didn't do a lot of losing during the regular season and he was hated on. His on field celebration is not much different than a lot of stuff that gets ignored from other players. Much of the hate directed towards him seemed personal rather than a fan of a rival team who simply does not like the Panthers.

Anyone trying to act as if the colour of his skin does not play a factor is simply being ignorant.
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Youre kidding right?

Plenty of people are outlining their reasons for not liking him. They dont have to like him. Its as simple as that.

Like they can just not like him. Plenty of people in this thread have typed out a ton of reasons why they just simply dont like him. To point at them and say NO, YOU DONT LIKE HIM BECAUSE HES BLACK is plain silly and...well...ignorant.
 
3N16MA said:
The hate directed towards Newton came long before the SB loss. The Panthers didn't do a lot of losing during the regular season and he was hated on. His on field celebration is not much different than a lot of stuff that gets ignored from other players. Much of the hate directed towards him seemed personal rather than a fan of a rival team who simply does not like the Panthers.

Anyone trying to act as if the colour of his skin does not play a factor is simply being ignorant.
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It's a factor with some, sure. But for many (dare I say most) people, it's his behavior.

If it was race alone, Russel Wilson would be getting the same heat. But he doesn't. Not even close. Because he's gracious in both victory and defeat. He sets a positive example and shows how a true leader should act.
 
Liquidsnake said:
I didn't see his press conference, what happened? Seems like you guys are upset the way he handled himself.
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He was asked a few questions, gave a few short answers, then got up and walked out. He didn't want to be there at all. On one hand, they have to do it. On the other, I wouldn't want to talk after a loss like that either. It wasn't a blowout, but it might as well have been. After two weeks of being told how badly you're going beat your opponent, then winning the league MVP award it has to just be a crushing feeling.
 
Wow some of you really sound like the stereotypical PC "ZOMG that's rascim!!" crowd that's a popular to make fun of nowadays.

He just comes off as smug and arrogant to me. That's not limited to Cam though, it was the entire panthers team. They were HEAVILY favored so it was nice to see the underdogs "Broncos" win.

But thanks all of you paranoid people, I'm actually paying attention to his skin color now, and nope, I've concluded that's not the reason I don't like him.
 
3N16MA said:
Anyone trying to act as if the colour of his skin does not play a factor is simply being ignorant.
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In some cases sure, but most of the people I know are the same ones who hate Manziel as well. It's all about how a guy acts/carries himself.
 
So did the Panthers have a real press conference afterwards? I know there's that quick bit where they all sit at a table, few of the Broncos did too. But later there was a regular press conference for the Broncos.
 
The Jackdog said:
Youre kidding right?

Plenty of people are outlining their reasons for not liking him. They dont have to like him. Its as simple as that.

Like they can just not like him. Plenty of people in this thread have typed out a ton of reasons why they just simply dont like him. To point at them and say NO, YOU DONT LIKE HIM BECAUSE HES BLACK is plain silly and...well...ignorant.
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There are two separate issues here:

1. Any one person's specific dislike of Cam Newton

2. The (seemingly) loud and vociferous denunciation of Cam Newton that has been a topic of conversation all season

Subject #1 doesn't necessarily have anything to do with his race. I've been a Cam defender all season, and I don't think he handled himself very well yesterday. I just don't think there's anything more to it. He had a bad day and maybe needs to work on how he acts when he loses (I say maybe because I don't really know how he's acted in the past).

Subject #2, however, is arguably closely tied to his race. I don't know if a white quarterback's actions would be discussed and dissected as Cam's have been this year, but I sort of doubt it, and there are definitely people out there who's opinions on this matter seem out of whack with how they spoken about demonstrable (Brady, Favre, ...) quarterbacks in the past.
 
Ryck said:
In some cases sure, but most of the people I know are the same ones who hate Manziel as well. It's all about how a guy acts/carries himself.
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Let's be clear though, Manziel has a lot more to atone for than Newton. Newton is too loud and dances too much on the field (so people say), Manziel drives drunk, goes to casinos when he's supposed to have a concussion, and is accused of beating up his girlfriend.
 
I'm sure some people do not like Newton for reasons besides the colour of his skin (I should have made that more clear). However he takes extra heat from some for being a black QB who likes to celebrate. I am trying to explain that anyone trying to act like all the hate directed towards him has nothing to do with race is being ignorant. It's a factor for plenty of people.

Newton lead his team to a 15-1 record and a SB appearance while winning the MVP. Seems like he did a good job leading this season. Better than Wilson.

Newton does not need to tone himself down and be Wilson 2.0 in order to fit the QB mold. Wilson can be Wilson and Newton can be Newton.

Reminds me of the stupid bat flip issue in baseball. Fans getting pissed about breaking some 100 year mold and unwritten rule on how a baseball player should act.
 
p2535748 said:
Let's be clear though, Manziel has a lot more to atone for than Newton. Newton is too loud and dances too much on the field (so people say), Manziel drives drunk, goes to casinos when he's supposed to have a concussion, and is accused of beating up his girlfriend.
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Yes, and Manziel deserves to be picked apart for it. Teams won't touch him. I have seen almost no dissenting opinions in regards to his abhorrent behavior, and I don't expect to.
 
p2535748 said:
Let's be clear though, Manziel has a lot more to atone for than Newton. Newton is too loud and dances too much on the field (so people say), Manziel drives drunk, goes to casinos when he's supposed to have a concussion, and is accused of beating up his girlfriend.
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Oh absolutely, I was speaking more towards their personalities than their actions. Maybe Manziel wasn't the best example haha.
 
Let's not forget that it's a sports game, and naturally, people will dislike players on opposing teams. And Cam and the Panthers kicked the crap out of a lot of teams this year.

There aren't many universally liked players in the league. I'd submit players like Gronk and Lynch who people seemed to enjoy watching play as mostly liked players.
 
Fuchsdh said:
Because that's a social norm? The idea is that adults have greater emotional maturity than children.

This isn't rocket science. It's the reason that "sore loser" is a common phrase.
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so he was quiet after a defeat, after all year of being a "boastful and arrogant shithead" this is what finally confirms it?

I don't understand that. Can you explain it to me? What norm did he violate?
 
Infinite said:
How is his behavior so far an example of being an "immature shithead" and why do you even care about it outside of him throwing the fucking ball on the field?
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Because he walked out of an interview most losers suck it up and deal with?

And it's not odd to care about how celebrities act outside of their work. Stop pretending like this is an odd occurrence. People constantly judge famous people on their actions just like they would judge any other human being. Why is it odd to you that people care how someone acts? Its the most logical and reasonable basis in which to form an opinion on someone.

Do you also find it odd when someone acts like an asshole at a party and people start talking about how that person is acting like a jerk?
akira28 said:
so he was quiet after a defeat, after all year of being a "boastful and arrogant shithead" this is what finally confirms it?

I don't understand that. Can you explain it to me? What norm did he violate?
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Do you even watch sports? Because if you did it should be pretty obvious what norm he violated. People who lose don't typically sit there, pout, pretty much refuse to talk, and then leave their obligations.

And maybe shithead is a strong word, but it definitely shows how immature he is. It's exactly how children act. Boastful and loud when they're doing well and pouty and shitty when they do badly. I dealt with plenty of kids like him when I was playing baseball in middle school. And that's exactly what they were. Kids.
 
akira28 said:
so he was quiet after a defeat, after all year of being a "boastful and arrogant shithead" this is what finally confirms it?

I don't understand that. Can you explain it to me? What norm did he violate?
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I didn't watch the press conference. I have never seen a game of his except for the Super Bowl. Your quote was speaking in general, and I responded in kind.
 
akira28 said:
so he was quiet after a defeat, after all year of being a "boastful and arrogant shithead" this is what finally confirms it?

I don't understand that. Can you explain it to me? What norm did he violate?
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Steve Young on Espn really captured it best, right after he walked out of the press conference they cut to Berman, Young and Jackson who looked kinda shocked, what Young said was pretty much perfect, looking for it.
 
Fuchsdh said:
I didn't watch the press conference. I have never seen a game of his except for the Super Bowl. Your quote was speaking in general, and I responded in kind.
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hmm.

so he's not a shithead, now he's just an immature crybaby. so the common theme seems to be insults directed towards Cam the defeated.

do I even watch sports? because if I did, I would understand why Cam is an arrogant shithead who walked out of his post-game, and I would feel the same way as others in the thread?
 
akira28 said:
hmm.

so he's not a shithead, now he's just an immature crybaby. so the common theme seems to be insults directed towards Cam the defeated.

do I even watch sports? because if I did, I would understand why Cam is an arrogant shithead who walked out of his post-game, and I would feel the same way as others in the thread?
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I have no idea what you're trying to say, and why you're asking us questions to ask yourself.

You don't have to watch sports to understand why people hate arrogant or pompous individuals, you have to have a pulse and have interacted with more than five people in your life.
 
akira28 said:
hmm.

so he's not a shithead, now he's just an immature crybaby. so the common theme seems to be insults directed towards Cam the defeated.

do I even watch sports? because if I did, I would understand why Cam is an arrogant shithead who walked out of his post-game, and I would feel the same way as others in the thread?
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Maybe you are over thinking this, sometimes I can't for the life of me understand certain behavior in people, just is what it is man.
 
akira28 said:
hmm.

so he's not a shithead, now he's just an immature crybaby. so the common theme seems to be insults directed towards Cam the defeated.

do I even watch sports? because if I did, I would understand why Cam is an arrogant shithead who walked out of his post-game, and I would feel the same way as others in the thread?
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You would at least understand what norm he broke. Which was one of the questions you asked. Anyone who has watched any substantial amount of post game interviews could easily see that how Cam acted was not the norm. Even from someone on the losing side of the ball.

Most people deal with it with far more grace. Which is exactly why Cam is being seen as immature.

By the way, I don't hate Cam Newton. He was a guy I generally liked who does some stuff I find unsavory and cocky. But overall I liked him. After last night I lost a lot of respect for him. He went from "Seemingly mature guy who had some childlike bouts of excitement because he's playing a game he loves." To "Immature guy who loves showing off and acting cocky when he does well but curls up and whines like a baby when he loses."

The man is the living definition of "He can give it but he can't take it."
 
Fuchsdh said:
I have no idea what you're trying to say, and why you're asking us questions to ask yourself.

You don't have to watch sports to understand why people hate arrogant or pompous individuals, you have to have a pulse and have interacted with more than five people in your life.
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those were questions of of the posters above you asked me. I was questioning the reasoning behind the query.

Do you hate Cam Newton? You have never seen him play before this game, and you already claim a firm understanding of why he's so disliked. His arrogance and pompousness, that I haven't seen many convincing examples, and even fewer rational arguments to support those examples, so, I am left to wonder.

Zen_Arcade said:
You would at least understand what norm he broke.
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there is a huge difference between violating a "social more", and doing something "outside of the norm". he walked, head down, in defeat and humiliation, out of a post game interview. Its not the first time anyone has done it. But it was the first time in a super bowl, and I get the impression a lot of people wanted to see him admit how wrong he was and how terrible he is, and are upset that they didn't get that particular defeated reaction.
 
I "hate" a person because they didn't comply with a post game interview after the biggest loss of their life. Ok this stupid logic.
 
nhlducks35 said:
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This is simply unacceptable in a game as important as the super bowl, especially when you were the person they knocked the ball from in the first place.

I understand that he's young and all, he got scared. That's definitely what happened there. He became worried about diving in there and one of those players slamming into and hurting him. Without question, though, that play may have cost his team the tiny, sliver of a chance they had of possibly stealing this game. As good as the Broncos played defensively, this game was within easy stealing territory for the Panthers all game, and they just couldn't get it done. Personally, since I was rooting for the Broncos, I'm quite happy they couldn't get it done, but anyone watching the game can see plain as day that the Panthers had more than ample opportunity to come out the other end of this game victorious.
 
People that already hated Cam for whatever reason would have hated him after this game regardless.

As for his post game, it has nothing to do with "maturity". It's called being human. I wouldn't want to sit in a presser while the winning team shouts about why they won in the background either. That was just bad design choice. Interview them in separate areas. They just lost the SB ffs.

I have no problem with Cam leaving and he shouldn't have to apologize for it either.
 
shadowsdarknes said:
Having the number 1 on your jersey as a team leader (and not a kicker) also strikes me as having an inflated sense of self importance.
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He was drafted #1 overall, was given the reigns to the franchise, and carried them to a Super Bowl.

He's also a Heisman winner, and a college Natl' Champ


Your ego would be just as big, if not bigger.
 
akira28 said:
those were questions of of the posters above you asked me. I was questioning the reasoning behind the query.

Do you hate Cam Newton? You have never seen him play before this game, and you already claim a firm understanding of why he's so disliked. His arrogance and pompousness, that I haven't seen many convincing examples, and even fewer rational arguments to support those examples, so, I am left to wonder.




there is a huge difference between violating a "social more", and doing something "outside of the norm". he walked, head down, in defeat and humiliation, out of a post game interview. Its not the first time anyone has done it. But it was the first time in a super bowl, and I get the impression a lot of people wanted to see him admit how wrong he was and how terrible he is, and are upset that they didn't get that particular defeated reaction.
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Sitting in and taking questions from the press is a social norm to a professional athlete. Win or lose.

You're right, it's not the first time someone has done it. It's also not the first time someone's been criticized for it.

Anyone who wanted to see him admit he was wrong got a far better reaction by him acting like a baby, pouting, and walking out. Had he gone in there and talked about how upset he was and how badly he played he probably would have gained some people's respect because it would have made him look humble and mature.

So yeah, people wanted that because what you're describing is a graceful loser. Which is something people like far more than some dude who pouts and leaves the room.
 
Yabo said:
He was drafted #1 overall, was given the reigns to the franchise, and carried them to a Super Bowl.

He's also a Heisman winner, and a college Natl' Champ


Your ego would be just as big, if not bigger.
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As long as you admit he's got a big ego. Which is precisely what we are talking about. Why do people dislike him? Ego and sportsmanship.
Saying, "you'd be the same way" isn't an argument.
 
so the people who hate him, hate him more because he didn't sit and cry about how badly he was defeated, or how upset he was, and how badly he performed?

hm. I'm not sure that makes sense.


i think people are allowed to have egos. (I don't think most of us have any choice.) He was literally humbled. But people want to see him prostrate himself so they can look into his mouth for some reason.

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Cam wasn't wrong.
He simply lost.
 
I got no problem with Cam, I like him. Yesterday just showed that he still has much to learn. I think people were just sick of his attitude and ego. Hopefully his beyond embarrassing output yesterday will bring him back down to reality.

Now johnnie manziel is a pos that should be removed from the NFL.
 
entremet said:
Peyton is a super class act. He wrote the book on handling the media.
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He also threw his offensive line under the bus following a playoff loss and notably did not congratulate anyone after the 2011 Super Bowl loss.

I'm not saying Manning is a bad guy, just that everyone can have bad days.
 
This article, I think, sums up what a lot of people are probably feeling.

Newton, 26, an ebullient, intelligent, gifted quarterback, decided to act in his moment of truth like a 13-year-old. He slouched into the interview room late, well after many of his teammates — rookies and veterans alike — who gamely answered painful questions.

You're paid an immense amount of money to play a professional sport. Being the star player on the team, your are expected to be at press events and act like a professional regardless of the outcome of the game. After celebrating so much during the season including team selfies during the game, to act like he did in the presser shows a lack of maturity.
 
shadowsdarknes said:
As long as you admit he's got a big ego. Which is precisely what we are talking about. Why do people dislike him? Ego and sportsmanship.
Saying, "you'd be the same way" isn't an argument.
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His sportsmanship is fine. Everyone was complaining about his dancing before the Super Bowl, the only way to stop it, is stop him. Denver did that.

Most athletes have an ego.

Where is the argument? It's football, people don't like superstars because of a brand of clothing they wear, a headphone company, their girlfriend, the college they went to.

People make excuses to not like someone to justify their prejudice. This is nothing new.

The people saying he needed to be more vocal during his post game presser, would be mad that he talked too much, or said the wrong thing. It's a never ending cycle in sports.
 
akira28 said:
so the people who hate him, hate him more because he didn't sit and cry about how badly he was defeated, or how upset he was, and how badly he performed?

hm. I'm not sure that makes sense.
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How does it not? That's what damn near every professional athlete in the history of Super Bowl losses has done.

People hate him because he's arrogant. Sitting there and admitting when you do something badly is the opposite of arrogance. Therefore, sitting there talking about how badly he performed would have gone against the idea that he's this guy who is arrogant all of the time. If people dislike you for being arrogant, being humble when things don't go your way is the exact way to show people that you aren't just this arrogant person.

Instead, he did exactly what arrogant people do when they lose. Acted like a sore loser who couldn't own up to the idea that he might not be the best.
Yabo said:
His sportsmanship is fine. Everyone was complaining about his dancing before the Super Bowl, the only way to stop it, is stop him. Denver did that.

Most athletes have an ego.

Where is the argument? It's football, people don't like superstars because of a brand of clothing they wear, a headphone company, their girlfriend, the college they went to.

People make excuses to not like someone to justify their prejudice. This is nothing new.

The people saying he needed to be more vocal during his post game presser, would be mad that he talked too much, or said the wrong thing. It's a never ending cycle in sports.
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This is pretty ironic when ever Deion Sanders, one of the most egotistical and outspoken athletes in all of history is essentially saying what all of the people who are criticizing Cam are saying.

If you want to sit there and brag and boast when you do well, you have to be able to sit up there and take your lumps when things don't go your way. If you don't you just look immature as shit.
 
akira28 said:
i think people are allowed to have egos. (I don't think most of us have any choice.) He was literally humbled. But people want to see him prostrate himself so they can look into his mouth for some reason.
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every quarterback has a huge ego. most of them don't pull that walk off the stage shit when they lose. you're not making a ton of sense.
 
so he was expected to wallow in his defeat for the cameras and the press, and he didn't give them the opportunity, so he's an arrogant shithead who probably thinks he actually won the superbowl?

sore losers. hm.

sore spectators seems like...
 
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