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[Insertia]

Reading over my other topic, I noticed some of you saying something along the lines of "Navy, Air Force, Army, all better than the Marines". I told my recruiter this and he said not true(duh). According to him the Marines is the most prestigious branch: The Navy does nothing but ship troops across the world, the Air Force...useless, and the Army isn't bad, but not quite as hardcore as the Marines. He compared the Marine's 13 week training to the Army's six (or is that eight?) weeks. Again, according to him, the requirements for females in the Marines are the same as males in the Army.

So why do the Marines suck? Inform me before I take my ASVAB.

 

[hXc_thugg]

The few. The proud. The bullet-catchers.

 

[Incognito]

probably cuz ur ass in on the frontline?

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

As has already been said, people were advising against joining the marines in the other thread for personal safety reasons. Prestige and "hardcore" is something completely else.

 

[Hitokage]

Air Force? Useless? Somebody needs to put down the crack pipe and stop judging usefullness by how many rifle bullets are fired at you.

Oh, and if you honestly think your recruiter isn't saying whatever it takes to get you on the signup list... I'm not saying you shouldn't sign up, but make your decision with somewhat independent sources of information.

 

[Insertia]

nah it doesn't work like that.

the marines in iraq that are running around with rifles and whatnot are doing that because that's what they signed up for. the line of work is dependant on the marine. if he/she doesn't want to be in combat there are other subsets of duty.

 

[Incognito]

nah it doesn't work like that.

the marines in iraq that are running around with rifles and whatnot are doing that because that's what they signed up for. the line of work is dependant on the marine. if he/she doesn't want to be in combat there are other subsets of duty.

:lol

u wouldn't be in iraq if it weren't for the air force. protection? yep, air force.

 

[ConfusingJazz]

I will be frank, I don't like bullets going through my person. Marines are the most likely ones to have this happen to you.



Don't forget, this guy is trying to get you into a uniform no matter what, and I would think words like hardcore and prestigious are kind of like synergy and paradigm in business, buzzwords that really don't mean shit.

Besides, what you do in the marines for 99% of the time will most likely be digging holes, marching and observering in the middle of the heat in Iraq. I think I would rather load a bomber in the middle of Kansas or work on a boat all day compared to that.

 

[XS+]

Any Marines out there care to tell me why you must let everyone know that you are/were a Marine before you let them know you're a person? (that's just based on my experience with Marines, unique from what I've seen of any other branch)

EDIT: I know Air Force people who are/have been in Iraq

 

[Incognito]

Any Marines out there care to tell me why you must let everyone know that you are/were a Marine before you let them know you're a person? (that's just based on my experience with Marines, unique from what I've seen of any other branch)

THE FEW, THE PROUD, THE ARROGANT.

 

[XS+]

THE FEW, THE PROUD, THE brainwashed/deprogramed

Fixed

 

[ConfusingJazz]

Fixed

Thats another reason I would never join the marines...

 

[Insertia]

Don't forget, this guy is trying to get you into a uniform no matter what, and I would think words like hardcore and prestigious are kind of like synergy and paradigm in business, buzzwords that really don't mean shit.

Yah, I know. I'm like 10 feet ahead of this recruiter. He tells me about how much cash he makes, how he's about to retire a wealthy man at the age of 35, blah blah blah. And the hardcore talk? Please. The less hardcore it is, the better my chances of getting in.

I know he's attempting to reel me in with his lucrative words, but for the most part I know it's bullshit. I want in anyway so I generally nod in agreement to all the crap he spews out.

 

[Dilbert]

...The Air Force...useless

Well, THAT'S a joke. Care to guess how many dead Army/Marine soldiers there would have been in Iraq if not for the "useless" USAF? Want to take a guess about the job prospects for ex-soldiers? Hint: The Air Force isn't as useless as you might think.

 

[Hitokage]

Don't forget the Air Force is in charge of space and gets to play with ICBMs.

 

[Boogie9IGN]

AFJROTC representin'!

Anywho, I personally like the Marines. Then again it's kind of because their uniform rawks all hell, except for Navy's

 

[levious]

I thought marines are technically a subset of the navy?

 

[yoshifumi]

THE FEW, THE PROUD, THE brainwashed/deprogramed

yea i've noticed that most of the people i've known who have gone to the marines have come back completely different and brainwashed (well they're really straightened out, but almost in a bad way), and people who were in any other branch came back more or less the same

 

[Brannon]

For me, no one will ever know I'm a Marine off base unless they find out in some bizzare way. And I definitely wouldn't care which branch of service anybody's in; it's all the same in the end. Only small prejudices I have are if a person is a recruiter they suck unless otherwise and if a person is a grunt I'll give him a bit more respect (data geek here). Even if they never go to war, the continuous, intense, unrelenting training alone wears their bodies down like no other. Anybody willing to go through that gets a thumbs up in my book.

Just a titch bit below grunts would be fighter pilots imo. Especially when driving a vehicle covers your whole body in sweat and racks your muscles with cramps. They got serious balls... when the g-forces don't shove them back from whence they came.

 

[CutMan]

Why work harder than you have to. Just join the airforce and choose an easy MOS.

Of course I didnt. I joined the army because I wanted to have pride, knowing that I was risking more and toughing it out like a man. Sometimes I wonder if all those nights in the field really make you a man though.

You cant say that any branch is less hardcore than another. They all have special forces:
Navy: Seals
Army: rangers and green berets
Marines: force recon
AirForce: "Air Commandos"

Does having a desk job or being a cook in the Marines make you more hardcore than an Air Force fighter pilot?

Hooah

 

[EarthStormFire]

I personally think the National Guard is the worst military branch. The Marines are good hard working men and women.

What is the point of the National Guard. I don't see a need for them.

 

[doncale]

i'm not gonna be a marine.

why sacrifice for NOTHING ?

 

[Dujour]

Green Berets all the way.

 

[hXc_thugg]

That guy doesn't even have a beret.

 

[Dujour]

Know your character history! >:O

Well, it was either him or Liquid. Badass, nonetheless!

 

[hXc_thugg]

I'll know your character history...jerk!

 

[Dujour]

Damn, sorry. All just pawns, if you ask me (or solid snake).

All that matters... is the mission!

 

[aoi tsuki]

Yah, I know. I'm like 10 feet ahead of this recruiter. He tells me about how much cash he makes, how he's about to retire a wealthy man at the age of 35, blah blah blah. And the hardcore talk? Please. The less hardcore it is, the better my chances of getting in.

I know he's attempting to reel me in with his lucrative words, but for the most part I know it's bullshit. I want in anyway so I generally nod in agreement to all the crap he spews out.

So you're already thinking about joining the Marines, your recruiter is in the Marines, and i'm assuming he's older than you too. You ain't ten feet ahead of jackshit.

My cousin is in Okinawa with the Marines right now. They told him that if he stayed there instead of coming home for a month, he wouldn't have to serve in Iraq. Guess what?! Plan's changed, he's going to Iraq regardless! Yay! This isn't exclusive to the Marines, by the way, i know of others in my family who've been in the military and been promised one thing only to have something else happen. i'm really worried about him, not just about serving in Iraq, but also the fact that he was fresh outta high school when he signed up, and despite the fact that he thinks he knows the games they try to run, he's just too young and doesn't have the experience to affectively deal with everything that he'll encounter.

Read independent sources as others have said, and try to get accounts of other marines and those in other military branches to just get a feel for what you may be getting into. i've got too much alcohol in my system to read through the other thread to see why it is you want to serve exactly, but i'd definitely give it some serious thought, along the lines of "is the training and life experience i get worth dying for?" because that's all a very real possibility.

 

[norinrad21]

Insertia probably thinks, this a Rambo type of thing, once he gets his ass out there he is sure to find out about the dragons teeth

 

[Mumbles]

Reading over my other topic, I noticed some of you saying something along the lines of "Navy, Air Force, Army, all better than the Marines". I told my recruiter this and he said not true(duh). According to him the Marines is the most prestigious branch: The Navy does nothing but ship troops across the world, the Air Force...useless, and the Army isn't bad, but not quite as hardcore as the Marines. He compared the Marine's 13 week training to the Army's six (or is that eight?) weeks. Again, according to him, the requirements for females in the Marines are the same as males in the Army.

Wait, a marine recruiter put the army above the AF and the navy?

That's a surprise, the marines I've known have always been especially nasty towards the army. IIRC, the acronym they use is "Ain't Ready for the Marines Yet". Okay, so there's some rivalry among all of the divisions, but the marine->army one has always struck me as especially fierce.

 

[Zaptruder]

Hey guys... what exactly does each of the divisions do?

Marines... are... the initial invasion troops?

Army... er... land based vehicles ahoy?

Air Forces... the guys with the really cool toys

Navy... the guys with the shitty living conditions.

So where do carrier fighter pilots slot into? Airforce and navy?

and do all the divisions have forts like the army?

 

[Hitokage]

What is the point of the National Guard. I don't see a need for them.

Uh, ever watch the news during natural disasters?

 

[Belfast]

Because they hire out powerful pirates to do their dirty work and are full of corrupted officials who have little regard for truth or justice.

 

[RevenantKioku]

Because they hire out powerful pirates to do their dirty work and are full of corrupted officials who have little regard for truth or justice.

Believe this man.

 

[Phoenix]

Well, THAT'S a joke. Care to guess how many dead Army/Marine soldiers there would have been in Iraq if not for the "useless" USAF? Want to take a guess about the job prospects for ex-soldiers? Hint: The Air Force isn't as useless as you might think.

Marines have their own air force so they don't have to depend on the USAF. You are thinking more about the army. For the missions that the USMC normally run, they have more than ample land, sea, and air vehicles (especially when they replace the harrier) to handle their normal operations. In urban fighting roles (where the marines are now), there aren't a lot of air force operations - though they do exist (mostly in bombing suspected hideouts and the like).

 

[Phoenix]

Hey guys... what exactly does each of the divisions do?

Marines... are... the initial invasion troops?

Army... er... land based vehicles ahoy?

Air Forces... the guys with the really cool toys

Navy... the guys with the shitty living conditions.

So where do carrier fighter pilots slot into? Airforce and navy?

and do all the divisions have forts like the army?

Its not quite as simple as you portray it, but in the most general terms:

The marines are a rapid reaction force and can deploy their units all over the world in rapid order. Because of this they are the first to arrive. They are generally responsible for the initial raid on beachheads - and since the world is mostly water, there are many coasts and beach landing opportunities (littoral warfare). They are very good at what they do and the USMC is larger than the army of most countries.

The Army is what you can compare to the 'regulars'. They are a strategic force used to fight wars. They have a fairly specific role - capture territory, secure it, and remove the enemy along the way (if that is entailed in the order of battle). The US Army rangers are a specialized unit that lives in this group.

The AirForce is a bit more obvious. Their role is air superiority and they are also moderately involved in the security all the way up through space, though at some point that become US Space Command. The air force maintains the kick ass high speed interceptors and bombers and was home to strategic air command (IIRC), the people with the nukes. That is now called US Strategic Command.

The Navy is also obvious - security of the oceans. Since most of the world consists of it, we have a large navy. They also have the specialized unit the US Navy Seals which conducts littoral operations around the world. The navy also used to do some cool things, like tapping the USSR undersea communications network and the like in conjunction with the CIA. Since the navy operates on the ocean - their bases are on the ocean and are some of the best bases in the world.

 

[pnjtony]

Carrier pilots are for the most part Navy. The navy actually has the best pilots because they can land on carriers at night. That's some shit right there.

Anyways I'd say the army does my dying simply due to the fact that there are more of them to be shot but the fucking marines are right there with them.

The Navy does more than transport. They have nuclear subs for christ sake.

I was in the Air Force myself. Did satellite command (Milstar) I never would have gone to Iraq with that job, but I don't have to worry about that anymore thankfully. Got out in 2000.


Just remember that ANYTHING ANY recruiter tells you that sounds cool is a fucking LIE. This applies to every branch. Only join if you have a severe intrest in dying and/or baking in the hot sun of Iraq or Iran (coming soon)

 

[Malakhov]

Ain't the rangers the most hardcore?

 

[pnjtony]

I thought the SEALS were the most hardcore. But does it really matter?

 

[Phoenix]

I thought the SEALS were the most hardcore. But does it really matter?

I believe the seals are more hardcore based on their washout rate compared to the number applying, size of organization, and 'known' frequency of use.

 

[Dilbert]

Marines have their own air force so they don't have to depend on the USAF. You are thinking more about the army. For the missions that the USMC normally run, they have more than ample land, sea, and air vehicles (especially when they replace the harrier) to handle their normal operations. In urban fighting roles (where the marines are now), there aren't a lot of air force operations - though they do exist (mostly in bombing suspected hideouts and the like).

Well, the Army has a significant air component as well, and it's growing all the time. WRT Iraq, though, the Air Force's role has been VASTLY underreported. 'Nuff said.

 

[Incognito]

yup, i don't think most people realize the amount of AIR FORCE doctors, nurses, and technicians that are in iraq. in fact, i read a report where they've replaced the army as the defacto caretakers. at wilford hall, the AF's hospital here, they just shipped off over 200 personnel to iraq. it's a revolving door for these guys.

of course, i imagine it's a breath of fresh air to actually leave wilford hell, as the place is so fucking depressing. hehe.

 

[way more]

nah it doesn't work like that.

the marines in iraq that are running around with rifles and whatnot are doing that because that's what they signed up for. the line of work is dependant on the marine. if he/she doesn't want to be in combat there are other subsets of duty.

Listen kid, he'll tell you whatever he needs to get you to sign up. The fact is neither he nor his superior have the authority to determine your position in the military. The military is like a big dumb corporation which screws its employees through it own ineptitude.

I've alwasy heard the RAF Recon guys were the most trained.

 

[ConfusingJazz]

Ain't the rangers the most hardcore?

Any part of the military that goes deep behind military lines I would put about the same level. But I believe the highest fatality rate is either the air commandoes or army snipers.

 

[Incognito]

here's a true story about the military, and how they can fuck you over:

ten years ago, after being stationed at wright-patterson afb in dayton, oh, my dad was nearing 20 years served. at this point, he wanted to continue his tenure in the af, but staying at wright pat was not in the cards because of my illness, and the fact that their hospital, in plain words, SUCKED. everytime i came down will illness, i couldn't go to the AF's hospital, we had to drive downtown to the civilian hospital(which was great.)

now, my father was willing to accommodate. he began research on af military bases where hospitals that included my type of care were at. this is when he noticed that lackland afb has a CF-centric center that covers a large part of texas. he talked to doctors and so forth, and all of them put in their recommendations that i at least pay a visit down here to see what they could offer us, and to keep my father in the af.

we take the trek, and everyone agrees that it's vital that i be taken care of down here, at wilford hall, where the focal point is CF, rather than wright pat where asthma throws the doctors through loops. the doctors write their final reports, my dad writes his, and finally submits them to the proper commanders.

can you guess what the commanders said, after looking at all the information, research, and final opinion of the doctors?

a big fat NO. they ordered him to stay at wright patterson.

his response? fuck you. he retired at 19 1/2 years, and moved the family to san antonio so that i could recieve treatment at wilford hall.

you would not believe the anger in his face when the af told him "no." he wanted to stay in the af, too. nowadays, though, he has nothing but terrible things to say.