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[OZ9000]

Pregnancy: IVF clinics 'can't just tell women to lose weight'

Rachel says she was devastated by the lack of support after being told she was overweight for IVF.

www.bbc.co.uk

This fat bird was devestated when told to lose weight before proceeding with IVF. THE SHOCK, THE HORROR. We all know increased body fat harms your chance for a successful pregnancy, nevermind the risk of gestational diabetes.

Why can't people take responsibility of their own lives for once?

 

[kanjobazooie]

I hope (wish) she realizes that she needs to lose weight not just for the procedure to succeed, but to also be a healthy role model for the child she wants to have.

 

[JonSnowball]

I hope (wish) she realizes that she needs to lose weight not just for the procedure to succeed, but to also be a healthy role model for the child she wants to have.

 

[SJRB]

Because a lot of people are weak. Weak of body, weak of mind.

You know it's game over when "body positivity" enters the ring.

 

[winjer]

It's not, at least in a normal, rational society.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

I hope (wish) she realizes that she needs to lose weight not just for the procedure to succeed, but to also be a healthy role model for the child she wants to have.

Of course it had to be BBC, I swear to God English women are one of the most unappealing and badly dressed women on this planet.

I love this part as well:

Rachel Rowlands said she was not given any help or support about how best to get her body mass index (BMI) down to the appropriate range.

Let me consult my notes:

EAT LESS.

 

[6502]

http://[URL]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-63977668

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This fat bird was devestated when told to lose weight before proceeding with IVF. THE SHOCK, THE HORROR. We all know increased body fat harms your chance for a successful pregnancy, nevermind the risk of gestational diabetes.

Why can't people take responsibility of their own lives for once?

Because (assuming it's nhs) we should pay twice, three times the cost of ivf to get success rather than hurt her feelings?

Or maybe she needs expert advice and a team of councillors, personal trainers and a gym pass gifted before she will make an attempt?

Perhaps putting her own procreation ahead of gluttony is a rather rude thing to ask her to do!

I'd say she could do with losing 5 stone before she starts.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Ok, so I looked into this article a bit and it doesn't seem it is as black and white:

Ms Rowlands said she was upset at the lack of support offered to address how her long-term health problems were preventing her losing the weight she knew she needed to in order to access fertility treatment.

The university lecturer, who is a clothes size 16-18, has endometriosis and a chronic pelvic pain condition, and was referred to a fertility service.

I had an ex who had endometriosis and she ended up going under the knife for 4-5 hours while they were patiently cutting everything out. She also had an endometriosis cyst on one of her ovaries, so obviously not top news when it comes to getting pregnant.

However then the lady goes into the usual spin:

"I do understand how to lose weight, but weight issues are multifactorial, and it's not just about going away and eating less food, or doing more exercise, there are a lot of things that can impact somebody's weight, and those need to be addressed as well."

So the solution here seems to be to stop living in denial that "weight issues are multifactorial" (99% of cases they are not), and tackle endometriosis first, then see if it leads to weight loss. They even asked some charity girl and even faced with info she also got the shit wrong:

The charity suggested signposting patients to services such as mental health support, a nutritionist or exercise referral schemes.

How will all that help with endometriosis?


Best part - this is one of the article linked below:

Woman who shed weight to qualify for IVF becomes pregnant

Marie Cheetham says she had to change her lifestyle so she could qualify for NHS fertility treatment.

www.bbc.com

 

[Coconutt]

Fat people trying to cope it what it looks like to me, I'm fat I can say this.

 

[feynoob]

I wish I had someone tell me that I was fucking fat shit head early. It would have saved me a lot of time.

 

[NightmareFarm]

It's funny how you will get completely eaten alive if you criticise a womans weight but it's considered completely a-ok to criticise a man's height even though height can't be controlled like weight can.

 

[Meicyn]

The difference between myself and the rest of my fat and/or obese relatives is one common element: food intake.

There are endless variables that can impact weight gain or weight loss, but there remains one fundamental truth: if you stop eating food, you will lose weight until you inevitably die. Therefore, it stands to reason that you must figure out what amount of food is appropriate for yourself and adjust accordingly.

I’m never scared to discuss weight if it’s brought up in discussion. I won’t mock someone for being fat, but I will mock their excuses. Or their commentary about how I’m “lucky” that I’m skinny, undermining the amount of mental fortitude it takes for me to not order french fries with every meal even though I always want them.

 

[nush]

Of course it had to be BBC, I swear to God English women are one of the most unappealing and badly dressed women on this planet.

I was in the car with my French boss at the time and he said to me, "You know the problem with your country? All these teenage single mums" as he pointed out the window. Damn he was so right and I couldn't even muster up some "Don't talk shit about my country Froggy" response. They were fat teenage mums.

 

[Jennings]

Why is it considered offensive to discuss weight?
This fat bird was devestated when told....​

Maybe because dipshit morons like you would rather insult people than discuss weight.

 

[jufonuk]

Because a lot of people are weak. Weak of body, weak of mind.

You know it's game over when "body positivity" enters the ring.

Im overweight. The doctor has told me. I accept that. Im working on losing weight. End of.

 

[jufonuk]

It's funny how you will get completely eaten alive if you criticise a womans weight but it's considered completely a-ok to criticise a man's height even though height can't be controlled like weight can.

I can only change weight and not my height and I wouldn’t comment on a women’s weight either. I just don’t think it’s a done thing.

 

[Imp the Dimp]

Maybe because dipshit morons like you would rather insult people than discuss weight.

Yeah don't be a dipshit like OP. Fat people should look into reducing their weight, there's honestly no denying that and I think there's a time and place to address that when you're close with someone. Obviously, fat people know they're fat but sometimes good advice can be helpful. It sure helped me lose weight but everyone's different. The social consequences of being fat are bad (in part because of people like OP) and the health consequences too. Losing weight is simple but not easy, sadly. The girl in the OP seems to have a condition called "endometriosis" which seems to make losing weight harder and apparently she's too fat to commence assisted reproduction. Unfortunate but that's life. But your average obese person who's too fat because they eat too much, needs to look into adjusting their diet. Don't bully fat people but don't glorify or normalize obesity either.

 

[Saber]

In Brazil, calling someone overweight or fat can be considered a crime. This includes doctors.
People normalize this, thats why we are in this situation.

 

[Wildebeest]

There are two ways of talking to people about why their position is worse.

The first is to go in with the attitude that you are just better than them and everything wrong with them is because they are a dumb loser without your focus and intelligence.

The second is to say that where people just end up is just dumb chance based on a bunch of things which are out of their control. You almost certainly will not get lucky and fix all your problems with a magic bullet, but there are things you can do to do better.

The catch is that the second is more likely not to teach people learned helplessness and actually help them, but the first is the psychological adaptation of "winners" who are more motivated to talk about the difference between the winners and losers. Even if you just give people a dumb coin toss that separates people into winners and losers, the winners will just think that they are winners because of some "virtue" they have which they will satisfyingly explain their situation. The stories they create will blow you away with their stupidity.

 

[GymWolf]

It is only offensive between mongoloids.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

Was interesting whilst I was in Japan how people don't give a flying fuck about being naked around each other in the onsens and public baths. Just no one cared and it was nice.

Think due to the higher rates of obesity in the West it's created its own vacuum of bodily shame and now with kindness culture taking over its now off limits to speak the truth that big isn't beautiful to the majority.

 

[Liamario]

She was told she needed to lose weight, which she accepted. But they offered her no support in doing so. If it was as simple as 'just lose some weight', we'd all be doing it.
It's no different than someone saying, 'have you tried not being fat?' or 'Have you tried not being depressed?'.

 

[Winter John]

I have never knowingly insulted a fat chick. Even though I've been provoked, sexually assaulted and demeaned by them. I have always been the perfect gentlemen. What grinds my gears is they've never given me a word of thanks. I open the double doors for them, compliment their clothes tents, make light conversation. Not once have I ever said anything even close to, Holy shit did ya swallow a couch? to any of them. Not even a hint of gratitude.

 

[Trunx81]

It is. My wife’s suffering of an eating disorder right now and is extremely thin. And everyone seems to be ok with telling her “to eat more” and “I’m just trying to help” or “you look SOOO thin!”. She just answers “if I were fat, would you also comment on my weight” and everyone answers “well, no, that’s something different!”

 

[West Texas CEO]

Just eat your calories once a day and you're good.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

The second is to say that where people just end up is just dumb chance based on a bunch of things which are out of their control. You almost certainly will not get lucky and fix all your problems with a magic bullet, but there are things you can do to do better.

This is a very good take. In the end the situation should have been handled this way:

Doc: Ok, I have your BMI here, it's too high for us to approve IVF treatment aka you're too fat. Now, there is a chance your endometriosis affects your weight so you need to have it checked and look for a possible treatment. If this won't work you should look into better fitness regimen and nutrition to bring down the BMI even with endometriosis. Here are the relevant contacts and resources to get you started.

 

[Woopah]

This is a very good take. In the end the situation should have been handled this way:

Doc: Ok, I have your BMI here, it's too high for us to approve IVF treatment aka you're too fat. Now, there is a chance your endometriosis affects your weight so you need to have it checked and look for a possible treatment. If this won't work you should look into better fitness regimen and nutrition to bring down the BMI even with endometriosis. Here are the relevant contacts and resources to get you started.

This.

The OP's title of "offensive to discuss weight" is not at all reflected by the content of the article.

What Rachel said she was upset by was "the lack of support offered to address how her long-term health problems were preventing her losing the weight she knew she needed to in order to access fertility treatment."

Rachel wanted the doctors to discuss her weight more, not less.

 

[Lasha]

In Brazil, calling someone overweight or fat can be considered a crime. This includes doctors.
People normalize this, thats why we are in this situation.

Brazil always fascinates me. The government would make a law to protect fat people's feelings while crime is so rampant that bulletproofing and armor are offered as almost standard for luxury cars.

Discussing weight is different from mocking somebody for their weight. The former is healthy and is an acceptable topic of conversation. Body positivity often ignores the reality that obese bodies aren't the ones we start with. Obesity requires a long path of poor choices and occasional health issues. Supportive friends and family can help revert the progress and stop obesity from occuring in the first place.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

Because there's a stigma associated with it, so that causes people to feel shame about it, shame doesn't feel good so they cope in different ways. Then, they get reminders that they're fat from time to time...like when their clothes don't fit anymore or when they accidentally see their reflection in their cell phone screen, or someone calls them fat, and then they feel bad again. A lot of times people cope by eating more and it becomes a vicious cycle like any other addiction.

That doesn't mean fat acceptance isn't a load of unhealthy bullshit, it is. But also shaming is probably going to backfire for the vast majority of fatties. I'm a former fatty though and shaming myself into losing weight worked sometimes.

 

[OZ9000]

This is a very good take. In the end the situation should have been handled this way:

Doc: Ok, I have your BMI here, it's too high for us to approve IVF treatment aka you're too fat. Now, there is a chance your endometriosis affects your weight so you need to have it checked and look for a possible treatment. If this won't work you should look into better fitness regimen and nutrition to bring down the BMI even with endometriosis. Here are the relevant contacts and resources to get you started.

Endometriosis has no impact on the metabolic rate or ability to burn fat. But yes it's a painful condition.

Nevertheless, the answer really is as simple as eating less and moving more. That is the honest truth. Most people vastly underestimate their daily calorie intake. As a society we have also become increasingly sedentary.

I force myself to do 10-20 squats and 30 pushups every 2 hours in the office. Most people sit down 12 hours a day.

 

[OZ9000]

In Brazil, calling someone overweight or fat can be considered a crime. This includes doctors.
People normalize this, thats why we are in this situation.

JFC. Society is absolutely pathetic. There have been numerous bad trends in the past decade and fat acceptance is one of the worst. Bring back "unrealistic beauty standards" of being slim please.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Yeah we've definitely swung way too far on the body positivity stuff well into anti-science obesity promotion. "Healthy at any weight" is utter rubbish, there's not a person in the world who is healthy lugging around 200 pounds of fat.

Number one risk factor outside of age for dying of covid? Obesity. Cancer risk, heart disease risk? Obesity. It's the modern smoking and a plague on society and our healthcare systems. There's nothing good about it.

(I also notice this rarely seems to be for men. I've seen obesity promotion memes where a jacked guy is hugging an obese woman lol. Why aren't they both porkers? And I've seen several of the women for this obesity acceptance openly body shame guys about height and hair loss and such, it's only for their obesity?)

 

[GymWolf]

We really are fucked if people need "support" to eat less and start training...

Like how do you even fight against the real challenges in life if you need support for something like that?

What a weak minded society we live in...

 

[LordOfChaos]

We really are fucked if people need "support" to eat less and start training...

Like how do you even fight against the real challenges in life if you need support for something like that?

What a weak minded society we live in...

 

[GymWolf]

 

[AJUMP23]

I think all overweight people know they just don’t want to hear it.


I know I need to lose weight and I have. I am continuing to do so. I’m not offended if a health professional tells me to, I just don’t need to hear it because I know.

I think sometimes to it is helpful if you present information about weight loss with a solution. Because ultimately most weight gain is about self control. And people hate hearing they have to change behaviors.

 

[Romulus]

It's a barrier created by weak people to protect them from reality.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Because being told youre fat is an embarrassment.

Being told you're wearing a dumb looking tshirt, all it takes is buying a better looking one for $20 at the mall. Being told to lose weight can take ages, be impossible for some, and it literally means youre a fat pig who cant control eating.

I'm overweight myself by a good 30-40 lbs. But for me I dont care. I accept who I am no matter how many times people tell me to slim up. In fact, when people tell me I just smile back and say meh. Maybe I'll do it, maybe not. And that's it. My own doctor reco'ed me to lose 20 lbs. I take that as good respectable advice he's giving me. No need to go hyperspastic about it.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

It's funny how you will get completely eaten alive if you criticise a womans weight but it's considered completely a-ok to criticise a man's height even though height can't be controlled like weight can.

Thats because men typically dont care about stuff. Ya, you get some Napolean Complex guys, but most of the time guys take insults and even good advice about looks and weight much more graciously than women. In fact, joke about looks or being a beer gut and most guys will laugh. Look how many times people make jokes about guys going bald with that horseshoe going around his scalp. Everyone knows he's desperately trying to keep every hair on his head. Most of the time your friend or fam member going bald just accepts it and laughs back.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Thats because men typically dont care about stuff. Ya, you get some Napolean Complex guys, but most of the time guys take insults and even good advice about looks and weight much more graciously than women. In fact, joke about looks or being a beer gut and most guys will laugh. Look how many times people make jokes about guys going bald with that horseshoe going around his scalp. Everyone knows he's desperately trying to keep every hair on his head. Most of the time your friend or fam member going bald just accepts it and laughs back.

Not being apparent in their blowing up like a child is one thing but it doesn't mean such comments don't hurt. Height and hair loss are mostly not in our control, but weight is, this is a definite hypocrisy of society.

 

[poppabk]

Ok, so I looked into this article a bit and it doesn't seem it is as black and white:



I had an ex who had endometriosis and she ended up going under the knife for 4-5 hours while they were patiently cutting everything out. She also had an endometriosis cyst on one of her ovaries, so obviously not top news when it comes to getting pregnant.

However then the lady goes into the usual spin:


So the solution here seems to be to stop living in denial that "weight issues are multifactorial" (99% of cases they are not), and tackle endometriosis first, then see if it leads to weight loss. They even asked some charity girl and even faced with info she also got the shit wrong:


How will all that help with endometriosis?


Best part - this is one of the article linked below:

http://[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-derbyshire-63676203

[/URL]

And from that article:
'Ms Cheetham had help losing weight from the Derby City Council-run Livewell healthy lifestyle service which advised her on exercise routines and diet.'

 

[EverydayBeast]

I got weights and that gives me incentive to lose weight it’s the best investment in history and yet nobody does it.

 

[Kilau]

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I got weights and that gives me incentive to lose weight it’s the best investment in history and yet nobody does it.

Humans are inherently lazy. Most try to do as little physical work as possible to get through life. Money, credit card debt, manufacturing and PCs made it so most people can sit back. Now if this was 100-200 years ago, people would be chopping down their own trees for fire wood or trying to build their own furniture.

I'm not an active person and am overweight myself, but at least I accept it. I'm also the guy on the block who cuts his grass, picks weeds and shovels snow frequently so it doesn't pile up into a mess. Not hard to do. Assuming it's not a giant overnight blizzard, grass cutting or shoveling snow is a half hour task (sometimes less). But even for something as trivial as those chores, some neighbours with 3 people living in their house nobody in their house wants to lift a finger. Somehow I can figure it out and I'm one person.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

It's a barrier created by weak people to protect them from reality.

Also called self esteem.

 

[March Climber]

Doctors, Scientists, and Mathematicians.

The three types of people that should have free reign to deliver you the cold truth.

 

[NinjaBoiX]

Because a lot of people are weak. Weak of body, weak of mind.

You know it's game over when "body positivity" enters the ring.

Urgh, I hate that body positivity thing.

“Normalise big and beautiful, embrace the curves!”

Look, people shouldn’t be “shamed” for being fat, that’s not healthy either, but encouraging obesity is just as harmful, if not more so.

 

[DeepEnigma]

First world privilege.

Medical burdens and cashcows at the same time. Death cult loves you morbidly obese.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

The sexes are equal but this whole-body positive movement seems incredibly lopsided. If you're a big girl, you are beautiful and "healthy" and it's just the fatphobic patriarchy being assholes. If you're a man? Shut your mouth and check your privilege you fat ass!

 

[NightmareFarm]

Thats because men typically dont care about stuff. Ya, you get some Napolean Complex guys, but most of the time guys take insults and even good advice about looks and weight much more graciously than women. In fact, joke about looks or being a beer gut and most guys will laugh. Look how many times people make jokes about guys going bald with that horseshoe going around his scalp. Everyone knows he's desperately trying to keep every hair on his head. Most of the time your friend or fam member going bald just accepts it and laughs back.

We do care, we just aren't allowed to get emotional about it.