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[OZ9000]

Because losing weight isn't as easy as thinner people make it sound. If it was an easy thing to do, the world wouldn't be having a crisis with it. There's obviously some things about modern society that make it easier to become fat, and things to help with weight loss are not as easy to do. People didn't just decide one day, "man, I hope I'm fatter when I'm older". Some fundamental shit had to happen to get us to where we are today. Yes, self determination is a factor in it all, but there are system-wide problems that need to be addressed as well. You don't lose weight in a vacuum. Just as income isn't solely decided by an individual, so to is weight. And just name calling fat people obviously doesn't fucking help. so maybe cut the shit out. There are ways to help people without being a pompous ass about it.

I'm sure people don't decide they wish to gain weight however keep in mind consuming an extra 300 calories a day is equal to 7kg of weight gain per year. With an overabundance of hyper-palatable and hyper-caloric food and snacks, it's very easy to eat beyond your allotted daily calorie intake. But I attribute the blame to the individual. People should make smarter decisions (i.e. stop filling your cupboards with garbage, stop mindlessly snacking, and consume home cooked food instead). Nevermind the fact we've also become incredibly lazy - very few people engage in regular physical activity. Your comparison with income is bizarre and really does not apply to this situation at all.

 

[Redneckerz]

What even is your point here? I don't see how this relates to what I previously said.

That your generalized assumption isn't great. ''We aren't allowed to be emotional'' get outta here. Context.

 

[NightmareFarm]

That your generalized assumption isn't great. ''We aren't allowed to be emotional'' get outta here. Context.

I don't see what is false about this statement. Men are indeed looked down on if they get emotional about things like their height or hair falling out.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I'm sure people don't decide they wish to gain weight however keep in mind consuming an extra 300 calories a day is equal to 7kg of weight gain per year. With an overabundance of hyper-palatable and hyper-caloric food and snacks, it's very easy to eat beyond your allotted daily calorie intake. But I attribute the blame to the individual. People should make smarter decisions (i.e. stop filling your cupboards with garbage, stop mindlessly snacking, and consume home cooked food instead). Nevermind the fact we've also become incredibly lazy - very few people engage in regular physical activity. Your comparison with income is bizarre and really does not apply to this situation at all.

Laws require food to show nutrition stats (at least in some countries they do). The point is so the consumer can read the stats and know the calories and nutrient values so people dont buy blind.

I bet not one fat person reads them. If they did, they'd know how much excess they are eating.

I'm not the healthiest person in the world, but even I know that carbs typically have high calories per gram (anything starchy and sugary). At the low end are vegetables.

Someone doesn't even need to know nutrition charts. Why would anyone assume that pigging out on pop and cookies would lead to good weight management? Of course it's crap. You dont see this is the ancient food pyramid either which schools show you in grade school.

Then again maybe some people are that dumb and have to be spoonfed (no pun intended) what is good and bad when eating. It's like some people have zero common sense unless told what to do in life.

 

[Meicyn]

Just as income isn't solely decided by an individual, so to is weight.

lmao

 

[OZ9000]

Laws require food to show nutrition stats (at least in some countries they do). The point is so the consumer can read the stats and know the calories and nutrient values so people dont buy blind.

I bet not one fat person reads them. If they did, they'd know how much excess they are eating.

I'm not the healthiest person in the world, but even I know that carbs typically have high calories per gram (anything starchy and sugary). At the low end are vegetables.

Someone doesn't even need to know nutrition charts. Why would anyone assume that pigging out on pop and cookies would lead to good weight management? Of course it's crap. You dont see this is the ancient food pyramid either which schools show you in grade school.

Then again maybe some people are that dumb and have to be spoonfed (no pun intended) what is good and bad when eating. It's like some people have zero common sense unless told what to do in life.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

There was a fat coworker I used to work with. She always preached "low metabolism" why she was giant. At lunch, she'd eat soup and salad which looked very reasonable. Looks impossible to get fat eating that.

After the she left the company, coworkers emptied her office and desk and found tons of wrappers in her desk.

I also caught her one time buying 3 chocolate bars from the cafeteria vending machine. Who the fuck buys 3 candy bars at once from a vending machine?

 

[Meicyn]

What’s frustrating is being skinny, and having someone fat tell me how hard it is, as if I am not subject to the exact same temptations they are.

It fucking sucks sitting at work in the morning, smelling everyone else’s pancakes, hashbrowns, bacon, biscuits, and whatever else they brought for breakfast. My stomach makes angry noises as I restrict myself to water until noon every day.

“I don’t understand how you’re skinny, you’re so lucky you have good genes.”

 

[Mistake]

Unless it’s because of something beyond her control, like recovering from a surgery, I expect my significant other to control themselves. If more people decide to have standards, then society might actually improve. To answer the op, talking about weight has always been offensive, the problem now is that it’s more acceptable to be fat. This is a cultural problem with many factors, but it needs to change as soon as possible.

 

[Blade2.0]

Your guys biggest problem is using your own perspective on the issue and using it for the whole of society. People are different. What one person might have a propensity to control easily, another might not.

"I can control my cravings, why can't everyone else?" Well, I can control my alcohol intake with little issue, and I bet some of you having fun in here are alcoholics. Why can't you control yourself? The point is that no one human's perspective can't be applied to the whole of humanity. Just because you don't need help to do something, doesn't mean others don't need help to get the same result.

The relationship between weight and self control

It depends on differences in brain function, which can be modified through exercise and mindfulness, a new review shows.

www.smh.com.au

Again, there's much more going on than just "why can't they eat less, though?"

And again, being pompous asses about it isn't going to help anyone change.

 

[Mistake]

Your guys biggest problem is using your own perspective on the issue and using it for the whole of society. People are different. What one person might have a propensity to control easily, another might not.

"I can control my cravings, why can't everyone else?" Well, I can control my alcohol intake with little issue, and I bet some of you having fun in here are alcoholics. Why can't you control yourself? The point is that no one human's perspective can be applied to the whole of humanity. Just because you don't need help to do something, doesn't mean others don't need help to get the same result.

The relationship between weight and self control

It depends on differences in brain function, which can be modified through exercise and mindfulness, a new review shows.

www.smh.com.au

Again, there's much more going on than just "why can't they eat less, though?"

And again, being pompous asses about it isn't going to help anyone change.

Portion sizes and sugar are the two biggest factors at play for Americans. Even the poorest kids 40 years ago weren’t as fat as the ones today. “Food triangle” lol

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Your guys biggest problem is using your own perspective on the issue and using it for the whole of society. People are different. What one person might have a propensity to control easily, another might not.

"I can control my cravings, why can't everyone else?" Well, I can control my alcohol intake with little issue, and I bet some of you having fun in here are alcoholics. Why can't you control yourself? The point is that no one human's perspective can't be applied to the whole of humanity. Just because you don't need help to do something, doesn't mean others don't need help to get the same result.

The relationship between weight and self control

It depends on differences in brain function, which can be modified through exercise and mindfulness, a new review shows.

www.smh.com.au

Again, there's much more going on than just "why can't they eat less, though?"

And again, being pompous asses about it isn't going to help anyone change.

Thats not the whole debate though.

The other point is being overweight (I am too) and not getting devastated because people or docs tell me to lose weight. My doc tells me that every year or two when I get my physical. So do my old ass parents, siblings, sisters in law, and even my buddies who will say it in a joking way (but they still kind of mean it).

And it makes sense because during covid I've outgrown some of my office clothes when I tried them on earlier this year when we got called back to the office.

But they are right. I dont have to listen. But taking that as a personal insult is crazy.

What are all of them supposed to say? "Hey bud, you're the fattest I've seen you. Half your office shirts dont even fit. Keep it up!"

 

[Blade2.0]

Thats not the whole debate though.

The other point is being overweight (I am too) and not getting devastated because people or docs tell me to lose weight. My doc tells me that every year or two when I get my physical. So do my old ass parents, siblings, sisters in law, and even my buddies who will say it in a joking way (but they still kind of mean it).

And it makes sense because during covid I've outgrown some of my office clothes when I tried them on earlier this year when we got called back to the office.

But they are right. I dont have to listen. But taking that as a personal insult is crazy.

What are all of them supposed to say? "Hey bud, you're the fattest I've seen you. Half your office shirts dont even fit. Keep it up!"

I understand that, people telling you to lose weight is different from people calling you "fat piece of shit" or "quit eating you pig". Like, would those insults actually stop you from having a hamburger you shouldn't be eating? no. and for myself, being degraded just makes me want to try less. I respond much better with positive reinforcement, not denigration.

 

[Coconutt]

Wonder whose profiting off this push for fat acceptance? Surely not corporations

 

[OZ9000]

I understand that, people telling you to lose weight is different from people calling you "fat piece of shit" or "quit eating you pig". Like, would those insults actually stop you from having a hamburger you shouldn't be eating? no. and for myself, being degraded just makes me want to try less. I respond much better with positive reinforcement, not denigration.

I never understood how calling someone a "fat piece of shit" would compel them to cry in their corner to eat even more food.

Nothing propels me to do a task even more than someone giving me shit for it.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Nothing propels me to do a task even more than someone giving me shit for it.

Yeah, I got the same thing going.

 

[GymWolf]

Many people are ignorant, simple as that.

They read less 30% fats, only natural ingredients, they read quinoa snack, it's fuckin quinoa, how fat can i become by eating that?? (Then you read the calories and they are more than a mars candybar)

And they forget to check calories, literally the only thing that matter unless you are doing a precise diet where you count carbs, pro and fats.


An understandable but not excusable mistake, i learned that calories are the tits when i was 16 and without any moral or mental support.

 

[Ionian]

Many people are ignorant, simple as that.

They read less 30% fats, only natural ingredients, they read quinoa snack, it's fuckin quinoa, how fat can i become by eating that?? (Then you read the calories and they are more than a mars candybar)

And they forget to check calories, literally the only thing that matter unless you are doing a precise diet where you count carbs, pro and fats.


An understandable but not excusable mistake, i learned that calories are the tits when i was 16 and without any moral or mental support.

As a skinny kid, I tried to bulk up on the local Italian fast food.

Didn't work. Stupid idea as fast food.

So bought a weights bench. Spice Girls poster over it. GF went bloody mental but that was the point,

Treadmill, milk and loads of chicken, tuna and milk years later.

A lean diet and cycled tons, even did the Scotland highlands.

But if you visit Scotland, a pint of beer is a must. They literally have them at the end of trails. Defeats the point, the courses are brutal.

Loved every second.

 

[Azurro]

She was told she needed to lose weight, which she accepted. But they offered her no support in doing so. If it was as simple as 'just lose some weight', we'd all be doing it.
It's no different than someone saying, 'have you tried not being fat?' or 'Have you tried not being depressed?'.

That's ridiculous. Being fat isn't the same as being depressed, you are in control of what you put into your body or how much you exercise.

Unfortunately hurting someone's feelings, or rather, someone that considers themselves a victim has such a fragile ego that any type of criticism, even legitimate, is a complete disregard of their persona. It's a very unhealthy way of looking at the world, the lady in the BBC article hasn't beaten the laws of thermodynamics, she ate too much and didn't exercise, hence the energy she consumed turned into fat. Simple.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

That's ridiculous. Being fat isn't the same as being depressed, you are in control of what you put into your body or how much you exercise.

Unfortunately hurting someone's feelings, or rather, someone that considers themselves a victim has such a fragile ego that any type of criticism, even legitimate, is a complete disregard of their persona. It's a very unhealthy way of looking at the world, the lady in the BBC article hasn't beaten the laws of thermodynamics, she ate too much and didn't exercise, hence the energy she consumed turned into fat. Simple.

Spot on.

It's not like the woman is mentally challenged and doesn't understand the concept of eating, calories or even tying a shoelace. So for doctors to need to give a post mortem analysis and need to string together a diet or exercise list to follow is insane. There's a difference between an able minded person not giving a shit and enjoy pigging out, vs someone who truly doesn't understand the concept of why eating too much food or bad food leads to fat bodies.

My doc tells me every time to lose 20 lbs. I understand what needs to be done and that's on me. I'm not going to grill the guy saying where's your master list of do's and dont's how to lose 20 lbs. I know it's eating less. Working out accelerates it. If I want to follow his advice, I dont even need to google a diet plan. I just know to eat less fast food and drink less pop.

So for the woman to complain she didn't get expert doctor advice how to lose weight is crazy. The doctor should had just said go google diet and pick one.

You'd think in the internet age, someone would know how to google an answer. And diet searches have to be a common topic. I fixed my own washing machine googling how to open it up and replace a broken dial. I didn't need Whirlpool to send me instructions how to fix it myself.

Some people are just lazy and blame everyone else for being a retard.

 

[Blade2.0]

I never understood how calling someone a "fat piece of shit" would compel them to cry in their corner to eat even more food.

Nothing propels me to do a task even more than someone giving me shit for it.

It goes back to my previous statement. What you feel is not how everyone else feels. People respond to different things in different ways.

 

[JimmyRustler]

I never understood how calling someone a "fat piece of shit" would compel them to cry in their corner to eat even more food.

Nothing propels me to do a task even more than someone giving me shit for it.

People usually overeat because it makes them feel good. By calling them a fat piece of shit you’ll make them feel bad, so they counteract by eating more to feel better. It’s not rocket science.

 

[Azurro]

People usually overeat because it makes them feel good. By calling them a fat piece of shit you’ll make them feel bad, so they counteract by eating more to feel better. It’s not rocket science.

That can be true, there can be set backs, but how come when society regulated obesity by calling overweight people to be in an undesirable state, that there were overall less fat people? You can blame it on sedentary lifestyle, but americans have been sedentary for 40 years or more, how come an obese kid in the 80s now is just a regular kid?

 

[OZ9000]

People usually overeat because it makes them feel good. By calling them a fat piece of shit you’ll make them feel bad, so they counteract by eating more to feel better. It’s not rocket science.

There is nothing more pathetic than our current generation of fragile minds and snowflakes.

 

[Azurro]

Your guys biggest problem is using your own perspective on the issue and using it for the whole of society. People are different. What one person might have a propensity to control easily, another might not.

"I can control my cravings, why can't everyone else?" Well, I can control my alcohol intake with little issue, and I bet some of you having fun in here are alcoholics. Why can't you control yourself? The point is that no one human's perspective can't be applied to the whole of humanity. Just because you don't need help to do something, doesn't mean others don't need help to get the same result.

Stop being a victim or enabling victims. It's still their responsibility to manage their weight. You brought up a perfect example, an alcoholic knows they can't touch alcohol so he manages life without it.

How am I supposed to feel bad for a pig that stuffs his face with donuts, chocolates, tons of beer, pizza and fried food? That person WANTS to be fat, I cannot ever feel bad for that.

 

[Blade2.0]

Stop being a victim or enabling victims. It's still their responsibility to manage their weight. You brought up a perfect example, an alcoholic knows they can't touch alcohol so he manages life without it.

How am I supposed to feel bad for a pig that stuffs his face with donuts, chocolates, tons of beer, pizza and fried food? That person WANTS to be fat, I cannot ever feel bad for that.

No, people don't want to be controlled by their addictions. Alcoholics have giant support groups and other aide given to them for help, by the way, usually with empathetic and supportive helpers. If you want to have people become less fat, then they need those same support networks and same empathetic views.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

I'm not really a fan of being obeast.

Big BUTT (literally) I prefer to be healthy and find fitness is a better way to live than being fat.

 

[Meicyn]

No, people don't want to be controlled by their addictions. Alcoholics have giant support groups and other aide given to them for help, by the way, usually with empathetic and supportive helpers. If you want to have people become less fat, then they need those same support networks and same empathetic views.

Weightloss support groups are literally everywhere, the hell are you on about?

You have commercial options such as this:

WeightWatchers Weight-Loss Program—Lose Weight and Keep it Off | WW USA

Build healthy habits with a weight-loss program and nutritionist-designed food plan. Get support from expert coaches to help you lose weight and keep it off.

www.weightwatchers.com

You can find local peer groups:

Find a meeting - Overeaters Anonymous

Find hope and support from people who have recovered from compulsive eating and compulsive food behaviors. No dues or fees.

oa.org

You have numerous online communities on reddit including this one:

Reddit - Dive into anything

reddit.com

Not to mention the tons of weightloss, calorie tracking, and/or fitness applications on smartphones, websites, audio/video programs on streaming or network TV, print media, and so forth that exist. There are mountains of positive support structures and tools at your disposal. You even have extreme (though expensive) solutions available such as surgery to remove fat from the body!

 

[Blade2.0]

Weightloss support groups are literally everywhere, the hell are you on about?

You have commercial options such as this:

WeightWatchers Weight-Loss Program—Lose Weight and Keep it Off | WW USA

Build healthy habits with a weight-loss program and nutritionist-designed food plan. Get support from expert coaches to help you lose weight and keep it off.

www.weightwatchers.com

You can find local peer groups:

Find a meeting - Overeaters Anonymous

Find hope and support from people who have recovered from compulsive eating and compulsive food behaviors. No dues or fees.

oa.org

You have numerous online communities on reddit including this one:

Reddit - Dive into anything

reddit.com

Not to mention the tons of weightloss, calorie tracking, and/or fitness applications on smartphones, websites, audio/video programs on streaming or network TV, print media, and so forth that exist. There are mountains of positive support structures and tools at your disposal. You even have extreme (though expensive) solutions available such as surgery to remove fat from the body!

yes, and those groups don't call people fat fucks and denigrate them, and they actually help.

 

[nush]

The girl I’m seeing knows I’ll throw her out if she gets fat.

When the time comes you'll have to come up with a different "reason". "We've grown apart" or some shit because otherwise you'll be the bad guy for her actions.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

yes, and those groups don't call people fat fucks and denigrate them, and they actually help.

Then what stops a fat person from doing weight watcher or diet groups? Or asking a nutritionist or trainer for help? There's a million people out there who can help someone's weight management. And that even excludes all the free info on the net.

 

[Lukaku's First Touch]

as an ex fatty I can say that fat people are disgusting. I'm not talking about having a little gut but the human snorlax blobs.

What makes me even more annoyed are fat children. Their parents are complete assholes.

 

[Azurro]

yes, and those groups don't call people fat fucks and denigrate them, and they actually help.

There are 100 times more people calling obese people "beautiful" for every person calling them "fat fucks". Has that helped? Nope, you have disgusting people now in the cover of Cosmopolitan deluding themselves into thinking they are healthy.

They need to be told the truth, without being unnecessarily crass. Not that they are pretty, not that they are healthy, not that we should all accept them for who they are, the truth.

 

[OZ9000]

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The girl I’m seeing knows I’ll throw her out if she gets fat. Unless it’s because of something beyond her of course, like recovering from a surgery. If more people decide to have standards, then society might actually improve. To answer the op, talking about weight has always been offensive, the problem now is that it’s more acceptable to be fat. This is a cultural problem with many factors, but it needs to change as soon as possible.

I said the same to my wife. The moment she gets fat I'm going to replace her.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

I'm getting bariatric surgery this upcoming year with my trucking company fronting the majority of the bill. I know I'm taking the bitch way of losing weight, but goddamn I gotta do it, and doing it as a truck driver is hard.

 

[OZ9000]

I'm getting bariatric surgery this upcoming year with my trucking company fronting the majority of the bill. I know I'm taking the bitch way of losing weight, but goddamn I gotta do it, and doing it as a truck driver is hard.

Best of luck.

 

[Meicyn]

I'm getting bariatric surgery this upcoming year with my trucking company fronting the majority of the bill. I know I'm taking the bitch way of losing weight, but goddamn I gotta do it, and doing it as a truck driver is hard.

Success is success, don’t hate the player. Hope your upcoming surgery goes well. Ask them to also sculpt your abs while they’ve got you split open like a slab of pork.

 

[GymWolf]

I'm getting bariatric surgery this upcoming year with my trucking company fronting the majority of the bill. I know I'm taking the bitch way of losing weight, but goddamn I gotta do it, and doing it as a truck driver is hard.

False, we all watched over the top with stallone.

 

[Nobody_Important]

It's not offensive across the board.


Just like anything else it depends on who you are talking to, what you have to say, and the context of the conversation.

 

[GymWolf]

I think that some people need some hard treatment to start a diet.

I lost count of how many mma fighters were bullied/trolled when they were young and that pushed them to do something with their lives.

Like people said, not everyone react the same way to being insulted for being fat.

I started diet and gym because i was mildly bullied and because fucking ugly fat girls was a bleak future that i wanted no part of.

Complacency when being fat because everyone around you tells you that being fat is ok, IS NOT OKAY.

Even my parents/sister always had harsh words for me, there is nothing wrong in a reality check from family members.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

Laws require food to show nutrition stats (at least in some countries they do). The point is so the consumer can read the stats and know the calories and nutrient values so people dont buy blind.

I bet not one fat person reads them. If they did, they'd know how much excess they are eating.

You'd lose that bet.

 

[AJUMP23]

Are we still talking about weight. How offensive.

 

[Azurro]

You'd lose that bet.

Everyone that is overweight vastly underestimates how many calories they consume. So he's right.

 

[MaestroMike]

 

[Mr Reasonable]

Everyone that is overweight vastly underestimates how many calories they consume. So he's right.

Have you asked all of them?

 

[Azurro]

Have you asked all of them?

They got there by incredibly unhealthy habits, and not a single random person I've ever asked even knows how many calories are in a beer, so I'd be willing to bet all my savings that 99% of the overweight and obese people have absolutely no idea of how many calories they are consuming, or of the ones trying to ballpark it, vastly understate how many calories they are actually eating.

People don't just become overweight, so it's on them, they haven't beaten the laws of thermodynamics. If all the people clamouring fat acceptance were actually right and it's completely out of their control, then I'd directly connect obese people to the power grid as a power source because apparently they spontaneously generate fat which means infinite free energy. No more need for fossil fuels to generate energy! The revolution has arrived, it's happening!

 

[macfoshizzle]

yeah it shouldnt be but it is. i can just look at you and guess your weight pretty well. so putting number on it out loud will be offensive? it's one of those things, putting a number on it will just make it officially your fat.

 

[ZoolNL]

In short: fat chicks don’t like it.

 

[RJMacready73]

I don't get chaps, in here you're all sleggin the fatties but over in the Butt thread youse are worshipping at the Altar of Fat arses?? Make your fecking minds up

 

[StreetsofBeige]