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I didn't see whatever all the hubbub is about. I logged off one day, and the next was met with a white page that stated, simply, "I'm fixing GAF." Odd, but who knows what happens with websites, it could have been a hack or anything. Then it was a down for maintenance message. Alright, things should be back to normal soon.

The site comes back up, and suddenly everyone hates Evilore and no one can say why. So I did some Googling as you do, and saw that all this is based on little more than a post on Facebook. A deleted post on Facebook at that.

I've seen nothing about charges being filed. Nothing about an arrest. No trial. No evidence. Just gossip.

It's been apparent for years that the orthodoxy on GAF takes a closed minded, almost belligerent approach to social ills, with a nasty streak of "guilty until proven innocent" rhetoric. (Unless you're Amir0x duping the community into giving you drug money, apparently that's cool with a lot of people on here.) Still, I never expected to see such upheaval over an unproven accusation. I've seen some of my favorite posters here say they will never post of GAF again because of this.

I can't quite say I'm sad to see the community here disintegrating, it is just an internet message board after all. But I do wish that a group that so constantly touts its self as reasonable, broadminded and forward thinking would take a step back and look at the situation from all sides. As it stands, I see an incredible set of knee jerk reactions leading to a community tearing its self apart.

And this isn't to say that I don't understand the reaction. The accusation, as unconvincing as a random Facebook post may be, is worrying, and the reaction to it reaching the community gives me pause. But why are so many here letting the first word be the last word? This story isn't finished, the definitive narrative hasn't been established. With the nature of this whole thing being what it is, I wouldn't be surprised if the parties involved tried to keep the next steps private, either.

 

[Symphonia]

Because this is the internet, and that’s what people do. They like to gossip and bitch and point fingers. Evidence be damned.

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

The community hasn't disintegrated, it's just not here anymore. That and you are horribly misinformed on many levels. There's so much there and you're focused on the small picture.

 

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The community hasn't disintegrated, it's just not here anymore. That and you are horribly misinformed on many levels. There's so much there and you're focused on the small picture.

Hey, thanks for all that great evidence and those elucidating facts. You really made me think that maybe all this is warranted.

 

[Ombra]

It moved very fast. A random post, the mods all giving up and jumping ship en masse and suddenly we have ex-members joining with said mods to create a new oasis.

No need for a judge and jury, just a passable excuse to start something new.

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

Hey, thanks for all that great evidence and those elucidating facts. You really made me think that maybe all this is warranted.

Hard to talk about it here without being banned. That might give you some idea of why things are the way they are now.

 

[Xtyle]

Very early in the weekend it was already reported that there was a GAF successor in the work. Being that fast, I can't help but question that if a spin-off site was ever discussed before among those key members and it just so happened to be a good time for them to do it this time.

 

[Linkin112]

Because this is the internet, and that’s what people do. They like to gossip and bitch and point fingers. Evidence be damned.

What evidence? His piss poor statement doesn't prove anything on his side either, despite him claiming that he can.

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

Very early in the weekend it was already reported that there was a GAF successor in the work. Being that fast, I can't help but question that if a spin-off site was ever discussed before among those key members and it just so happened to be a good time for them to do it this time.

I will say this, it's been one of the smoothest launches of a new site I've ever seen and most forum features are a direct upgrade to here.

 

[Aphexian]

Hard to talk about it here without being banned. That might give you some idea of why things are the way they are now.

Welcome to the censored internet forum! Where the fear of being perma-banned keeps you from speaking your mind, as innocent as that may be.

 

[Xtyle]

What evidence? His piss poor statement doesn't prove anything on his side either, despite him claiming that he can.

So, it is a he said, she said? I am not defending him though just stating the fact. I am also aware of accusations of his past actions.

 

[Ombra]

What evidence? His piss poor statement doesn't prove anything on his side either, despite him claiming that he can.

You can't imagine that he would keep text messages, emails, and the like from her for posterity? (I'm sentimental as fuck I have a phone with all that shit)

Problem is sharing those things could make him look like an asshole regardless=can't win.

 

[Xtyle]

I will say this, it's been one of the smoothest launches of a new site I've ever seen and most forum features are a direct upgrade to here.

I am there bro.
I just...am not using it.

 

[Linkin112]

So, it is a he said, she said? I am not defending him though just stating the fact. I am also aware of accusations of his past actions.

Basically. Neither have provided proof of the incident or any of the post-incident claims. But as you said, his past actions make it easier to believe the "she said" side of things.

 

[Raziel]

The Instagram-selfie-yolo generation has no need for context nor the time to wait for all the facts.

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

Welcome to the censored internet forum! Where the fear of being perma-banned keeps you from speaking your mind, as innocent as that may be.

I'm fine with it for the most part, really. Unmoderated forums are a cesspool that usually leads to more silenced voices of reason in a sea of shitposting. Pretty shady when it's all to cover for one person.

 

[Codeblew]

Now that it has been proven than LBJ killed JFK and that he was a member of the KKK, I don't know what to think anymore.

 

[scotcheggz]

But I do wish that a group that so constantly touts its self as reasonable, broadminded and forward thinking would take a step back and look at the situation from all sides.

Socially GAF might be those things, but it's never really been that progressive in a whole heap load of other areas. I mean, it is/was a huge community and there were all sorts of viewpoints, so I shouldn't generalise but that doesn't mean I can't see trends.

 

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That might give you some idea of why things are the way they are now.

I've looked for discussions in other venues. I've seen some character assassination about Evilor (which is nothing new, people love to talk shit about NeoGAF and its staff) but nothing substantive. Malka doesn't have an unlimited ability to ban people on other communities, why is there so little support for the adopted narrative elsewhere? And why are people leaving because of an allegation? None of this can be called fact yet from what I've seen. It's puzzling.

 

[WaterAstro]

This is how social media works.

Pander to a crowd's emotions with a lie, watch it burn. America elected a shitty president that way.

Everyone judged Clinton believing in social media lies, and now they're paying the consequences.

 

[Symphonia]

What evidence? His piss poor statement doesn't prove anything on his side either, despite him claiming that he can.

I’m not siding with either party. I’m not condoning witch hunts against either party, either. At the end of the day, this is a serious allegation with very little proof from either side to clarify that it did or did not happen. I’m here for NeoGAF and to join in with videogame discussion, not to take sides.

 

[C4Lukins]

How could a community eat itself?

It allowed hatred towards Republicans, Jews, cops, and Microsoft video game consoles.

Oh also America and Isreal.

It became constant negative output of ideas. AndI am enjoying watch it die.

 

[T.v]

It's what the internet does nowadays. Could this whole situation have been handled better? sure. But some are taking this way too far. Like saying everyone who stays is condoning sexual abuse etc. throwing around the word rape. All I see is a guy who may or may not have misread some signs and made a small mistake.

 

[Ombra]

I've looked for discussions in other venues. I've seen some character assassination about Evilor (which is nothing new, people love to talk shit about NeoGAF and its staff) but nothing substantive. Malka doesn't have an unlimited ability to ban people on other communities, why is there so little support for the adopted narrative elsewhere? And why are people leaving because of an allegation? None of this can be called fact yet from what I've seen. It's puzzling.

Indeed it is that. Very convenient.

 

[C4Lukins]

How could a community eat itself?

It allowed hatred towards Republicans, Jews, cops, and Microsoft video game consoles.

Oh also America and Isreal.

It became constant negative output of ideas. AndI am enjoying watching it die.

 

[jono51]

This is how social media works.

Pander to a crowd's emotions with a lie, watch it burn. America elected a shitty president that way.

Everyone judged Clinton believing in social media lies, and now they're paying the consequences.

Ii thought the stuff on clinton was a lie... and then I read Clinton Cash. Since then I've been #TeamBurnie.

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

I just want to point out that the incident doesn't even matter as much as the response. People don't like deflection and everything EL has done looks like it was done to avoid responsibility while passing the blame to unrelated spaces. Every mod leaving makes it easy as well as the moderators were the backbone of the community. The entire situation was handled extremely poorly and with an easy out, it's no wonder people left. The new place is more gaf than gaf is now.

 

[pretty done]

Seriously, I bet he's innocent. Someone give this man a glove to try on.

 

[Ombra]

Ii thought the stuff on clinton was a lie... and then I read Clinton Cash. Since then I've been #TeamBurnie.

Just happens to be an article in Breitbart about that book.

The fuck do you think you're fooling?

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

How could a community eat itself?

It allowed hatred towards Republicans, Jews, cops, and Microsoft video game consoles.

Oh also America and Isreal.

It became constant negative output of ideas. AndI am enjoying watching it die.

Except, again, it didn't die. 10,000 people have pretty much carried on business as usual.

 

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I’m not siding with either party. I’m not condoning witch hunts against either party, either. At the end of the day, this is a serious allegation with very little proof from either side to clarify that it did or did not happen. I’m here for NeoGAF and to join in with videogame discussion, not to take sides.

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And this is where I'm at. This isn't the Evilore Age Forum. There's other stuff going on that this community should be talking about (and granted people are trying to keep that up.) I get that people don't want to be part of a community run be a sexual predator, but it hasn't been established whether that's the case or not. Why are so many people acting like it is? Serious accusations deserve serious evidence. Right now we have people abandoning ship over words.

 

[Ombra]

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And this is where I'm at. This isn't the Evilore Age Forum. There's other stuff going on that this community should be talking about (and granted people are trying to keep that up.) I get that people don't want to be part of a community run be a sexual predator, but it hasn't been established whether that's the case or not. Why are so many people acting like it is? Serious accusations deserve serious evidence. Right now we have people abandoning ship over words.

The more I look at all the 100% facts the less it looks like thats thr only reason they jumped ship.

 

[C4Lukins]

Except, again, it didn't die. 10,000 people have pretty much carried on business as usual.

Yeah and who are you people? Certainly not the best of us.

Years of posting on a message board and making a name for yourself. Are you proud of what you represent, or so. Invested that you ignore right and wrong?

 

[jono51]

Just happens to be an article in Breitbart about that book.

The fuck do you think you're fooling?

Some Clinton level logic here. You know what else Breitbart have an article on? 9/11. So fucking what. Are you going to tell me that is a conspiracy now?

Burnie had the tables flipped on him and he was clubbed into submission. Instead of a socialist, we have an orange racist.

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

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And this is where I'm at. This isn't the Evilore Age Forum. There's other stuff going on that this community should be talking about (and granted people are trying to keep that up.) I get that people don't want to be part of a community run be a sexual predator, but it hasn't been established whether that's the case or not. Why are so many people acting like it is? Serious accusations deserve serious evidence. Right now we have people abandoning ship over words.

Look, it's stupid to think you should keep putting dollars into the pocket of someone just because they haven't been convicted in a court of law. You can do it just because you don't like the dude. People didn't like how evilore handled the situation, so they left. He'd gotten through many many other terrible actions with widespread support and good will. This time he didn't. If you want money from people, it usually helps that they like you.

 

[Ombra]

Some Clinton level logic here. You know what else Breitbart have an article on? 9/11. So fucking what. Are you going to tell me that is a conspiracy now?

Burnie had the tables flipped on him and he was clubbed into submission. Instead of a socialist, we have an orange racist.

So making that orange racist your avatar was a mistake? Did you log into the wrong alt?

 

[rokkerkory]

Oh gaf never change

 

[Vicetrailia]

It has been discussed to death OP. The response is what threw gasoline on the fire.

 

[C4Lukins]

Oh gaf never change

Oh it has changed.

 

[jono51]

So making that orange racist your avatar was a mistake? Did you log into the wrong alt?

My avatar is a reminder of the consequence of choosing Hillary in the primary.

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

Yeah and who are you people? Certainly not the best of us.

Years of posting on a message board and making a name for yourself. Are you proud of what you represent, or so. Invested that you ignore right and wrong?

I can barely understand what you're saying, but who cares about being the best. Message boards are for talking to people, go to the place you find the people you want to talk to the most. If you like this place, you're welcome to it. There's nothing right or wrong about changing forums. No one owes evilore or any other poster a damn thing. It's his job to make this place attractive for people to want to be here. They didn't want this product anymore. No need for silly morality.

 

[caffeware]

The thing is the mods bailed out. That's what caused all this.

They were probably thinking "first amirox, now tyler, I'm probably next."

Everyone have skeletons in the closet.

 

[Vagabundo]

I didn't see whatever all the hubbub is about. I logged off one day, and the next was met with a white page that stated, simply, "I'm fixing GAF." Odd, but who knows what happens with websites, it could have been a hack or anything. Then it was a down for maintenance message. Alright, things should be back to normal soon.

The site comes back up, and suddenly everyone hates Evilore and no one can say why. So I did some Googling as you do, and saw that all this is based on little more than a post on Facebook. A deleted post on Facebook at that.

lol your googling sucks. You could have just read the mega sticky in gaming and you would have been informed as to why the mods left and why so many were pissed and about the other shitty things.

But nope everyone else is the closed mind ones.....

 

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Post was deleted.

People get banned just for mentioning the name. Google "where are NeoGAF users going."

They've taken GAF's elitism to heart, it's invite only. There are probably better alternatives.

 

[kaister]

Now that it has been proven than LBJ killed JFK and that he was a member of the KKK, I don't know what to think anymore.

Can...can I get more on this?

Spoiler

lol

 

[Takuan]

The things you do online follow you for life. That's just how it goes.

 

[rokkerkory]

Oh it has changed.

Constant bickering even in this fhread says not really

 

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lol your googling sucks. You could have just read the mega sticky in gaming and you would have been informed as to why the mods left and why so many were pissed and about the other shitty things.

But nope everyone else is the closed mind ones.....

Excuse me for not seeing a sticky in a part of the site I don't use.

 

[Ombra]

My avatar is a reminder of the consequence of choosing Hillary in the primary.

So you voted Trump in the General?

And you call Bernie "Burnie" because?

 

[C4Lukins]

Except, again, it didn't die. 10,000 people have pretty much carried on business as usual.

And I recognize maybe three of them. Gaf will never recover from this as long as the owner continues to run it. Nothing against him, we live in a witch hunting society, but industry insiders no longer will be a part of this. It is sad to see but the accusations were enough to kill this place. And if there was not a history of posts defending such behavior, or acting as if it did not exist....

It is done. Move on or be associated with the problem.