"Why Isn't Wall Street in Jail?"

Status
Not open for further replies.
Whimsical Phil said:
Perhaps a better question would be, "Why isn't Jaws eating the boat?"

Or maybe, "Why isn't Die Hard jumping through the window?"
I bet Die Hard could beat Bulletstorm
 
Chichikov said:
I wonder where the moral outrage is.
People talk in graphs and economic theories, but this country used to have a moral fiber, people used to talk about what's right, not only what's profitable.
So how the fuck do Wall Street and banks blow up the world's economy and it's the poor and working class who pay the price?

Even Reagan put financial crooks in jail.
Not sure if you got the memo or not but the poor suffered plenty under Reagan. He helped play his part in breaking union backs as well.


Ulairi said:
And how are the poor and the middle class paying the price?
The largest transfer of wealth from working and middle class to the top 10% took place while all this is happening. You see how the rich got richer yet middle and working class pay have not kept up with the cost of living since the 70s? Well, thats how they are paying the price. Not to mention we bailed them out with our tax dollars and in turn they get million dollar bonuses. This country has a real problem in terms of income inequality, education and economic factors. People need to wake up and smell the effing coffee, we are at war.
 
Spire said:
Rich people don't go to jail in a plutocracy silly.
And we're done here. Seriously, anyone that thinks this is a Capitalistic Democracy is delusional. Plutocracy is here, they just haven't figured out how to get rid of our right to vote.... YET. And when they do, along with the financial crisis happening, I would simply ask the rich to look at France in 1789. "Let them eat cake." Eat a bullet.
 
Because America loves rich people.

And every american thinks that one day he will be one of those rich people. And when he is one of those rich people he doesn't want to have to worry about going to prison.
 
DennisK4 said:
Because America loves rich people.

And every american thinks that one day he will be one of those rich people. And when he is one of those rich people he doesn't want to have to worry about going to prison.
Assumptions are like a-holes...
 
Buckethead said:
Assumptions are like a-holes...

It appears to be statistically true. Maher talks about this issue a lot, how people (middle class) could be so against their own interests.
 
I will not be satisfied until jon bones and all the rest of his fatcat cronies entrails are dragged in the streets by fat hairy teamsters with pastrami breath
 
DennisK4 said:
Because America loves rich people.

And every american thinks that one day he will be one of those rich people. And when he is one of those rich people he doesn't want to have to worry about going to prison.

This is silly and ignores the involvement of non-Americans in the financial absurdity of the past several years.

Who in Iceland, Ireland, or Greece has gone to jail?
 
There are ways to get these guys. But Americans just don't care.

People would rather complain about immigrants.
 
We are fast approaching the breaking point. The economy is in shambles, and there is nothing that can legally be done to resolve the issue. The President will not help us. Congress will not help us. As the article says, the government is the corporation is the government. By increasing the power of government, we have only increased the power of the wealthy.

There is literally nothing that can be changed until we come to a revolution. I'm talking French Revolution kind of stuff. Everything has been corrupted to the point where the only answer will soon be a violent uprising.
 
timetokill said:
We are fast approaching the breaking point. The economy is in shambles, and there is nothing that can legally be done to resolve the issue. The President will not help us. Congress will not help us. As the article says, the government is the corporation is the government. By increasing the power of government, we have only increased the power of the wealthy.

There is literally nothing that can be changed until we come to a revolution. I'm talking French Revolution kind of stuff. Everything has been corrupted to the point where the only answer will soon be a violent uprising.

Yes. Lets start the naked car flipping now.
 
FStop7 said:
This is silly and ignores the involvement of non-Americans in the financial absurdity of the past several years.

Who in Iceland, Ireland, or Greece has gone to jail?
Let me quote the thread title for you: "Why Isn't Wall Street in Jail?"
 
timetokill said:
We are fast approaching the breaking point. The economy is in shambles, and there is nothing that can legally be done to resolve the issue. The President will not help us. Congress will not help us. As the article says, the government is the corporation is the government. By increasing the power of government, we have only increased the power of the wealthy.

There is literally nothing that can be changed until we come to a revolution. I'm talking French Revolution kind of stuff. Everything has been corrupted to the point where the only answer will soon be a violent uprising.

It doesn't have to come to violence:

Gene Sharp is the world's foremost expert on non-violent revolution. His work has been translated into more than 30 languages, his books slipped across borders and hidden from secret policemen all over the world.

For decades now, people living under authoritarian regimes have made a pilgrimage to Gene Sharp for advice. His writing has helped millions of people around the world achieve their freedom without violence. "As soon as you choose to fight with violence you're choosing to fight against your opponents best weapons and you have to be smarter than that," he insists.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12522848

ggnoobIGN said:
I don't think any of that is illegal. Just extremely risky and stupid.

These banks committed fraud, which last time I checked, was illegal. They took incredibly risky, low-rated mortgages and packaged them together with lower risk mortgages and then sold them to state pension funds as high rated, low risk investments. As Taibbi said in the video interview, that's like selling a faulty car under the premise that it's new and safe. That's fraud, and it's totally illegal.
 
Equus Bellator Apex said:
It's not like they were selling drugs.

No what they did was much much much worse.

Go with Buckethead's recommendation and watch this film:

5ue0x.jpg


It was literally scamming that got the world into this crisis.
 
They should be in jail but their not because almost every higher up in the financial section of the government used to work for Goldman Sachs. Gotta protect your own, you know.


When the Savings and Loan Crisis occurred in Texas, people were thrown in jail for that shit. Same thing should happen again.
 
teh_pwn said:
This really needs to be emphasized to people if we're ever going to fix this country. McCain vs Obama was purely political theater. The actual policies would only have differed slightly with civil rights, not at all with foreign policy and financial policy. The country is broken.

The problem with this is that nobody fucking cares. People don't want to leave their comfort zone. Most people are too preoccupied with their iPhone, jacking off to Maxim, or watching "The Bad Girls Club" to give a crap. And those that do, well there isn't really a movement or group strong enough to make people think there is a realistic way to do these things.So the government, businessmen, and the super-wealthy will continue to push society just enough to the point that the people will be obedient. But really it's just a matter of time before these people push to far. History has shown this is how government, social justice, and well humanity in general evolves.

Ulairi said:
Maybe, because it's really hard to prosecute and get a conviction? State and Federal attorneys would love to have b-roll of some guy from wall street doing the perp walk. Must. Be. Conspiracy.

They could if they wanted too, it's just that everybody is too corrupt. Many of the people in the governments financial sector use to work for these banks, and the rest are either too corrupt or too small of a voice to really do anything about it.
 
Flying_Phoenix said:
People don't want to leave their comfort zone. Most people are too preoccupied with their iPhone, jacking off to Maxim, or watching "The Bad Girls Club" to give a crap.

Well said.

Media and popular culture are designed, IMO, to keep your attention away from more important affairs, while not being too obvious. It could be that the 40 hour work week and US work culture in general is also meant to keep people much too preoccupied with their jobs to get into politics of this nature.
 
Soleil rouge said:
Well said.

Media and popular culture are designed, IMO, to keep your attention away from more important affairs, while not being too obvious. It could be that the 40 hour work week and US work culture in general is also meant to keep people much too preoccupied with their jobs to get into politics of this nature.

Agreed, but it does seem like a small number of people are waking up to what is potentially going on in this country. The question is how long will it take for a real change to take place? Not the BS change we were promised in the last election. Inside job is a great movie, anyone and everyone should be required to watch it.

Whether you take him seriously or not Joe Rogan sounds off

The American War Machine
 
I'm less interested in going after people working for Goldman-Sachs (but that would be great) than I am going after the people working in the SEC at the time. They were the ones who are supposed to be watching these wolves and prosecuting them when they get caught being negligent. But it was a spectacular fail for an entire decade.

That's where the corruption starts, then you work backwards from there.

But we can't look to Obama for this. He is too worried about surviving 2012 and possibly appearing "anti-business". No need to concern himself with correcting the sins of the Bush years.
 
Soleil rouge said:
Well said.

Media and popular culture are designed, IMO, to keep your attention away from more important affairs, while not being too obvious. It could be that the 40 hour work week and US work culture in general is also meant to keep people much too preoccupied with their jobs to get into politics of this nature.

Absolutely, the necessity of keeping a full-time job to feed your family is a huge impediment to political activity (and not just activity, but even learning). Whereas corporate and financial executives consider their engagement in political activity as part of their work. And for everything else, they can take as much time as they like. The wealthy, by far, enjoy more leisure time than any other class, with the possible exception of the unemployed (but they lack the resources to engage).
 
The problem will not be fixed in our lifetimes, and I doubt people will ever figure it out. It's a shame too.

We coulda been a contender! But instead, we're relegated to these times.
 
Because they have money and own the politicians and legal system with it.

Plus they have the resources to fuck anyone that fucks them.
 
the government is in your pocket as long as you have the cash

the government is not made of entirely of good individuals who genuinely want to help the country

there are corrupt people in there who will do what benefits them.

politicians are tasked with goals that will take years and years to achieve, yet the incentives we give em are short term.
 
afternoon delight said:
The problem will not be fixed in our lifetimes, and I doubt people will ever figure it out. It's a shame too.

We coulda been a contender! But instead, we're relegated to these times.
One way or another it will.
This is not sustainable.
 
Flying_Phoenix said:
The problem with this is that nobody fucking cares. People don't want to leave their comfort zone. Most people are too preoccupied with their iPhone, jacking off to Maxim, or watching "The Bad Girls Club" to give a crap. And those that do, well there isn't really a movement or group strong enough to make people think there is a realistic way to do these things.So the government, businessmen, and the super-wealthy will continue to push society just enough to the point that the people will be obedient. But really it's just a matter of time before these people push to far. History has shown this is how government, social justice, and well humanity in general evolves.

Word the fuck up. There are people who are fed up yet they are stuck trying to make money and to live paycheck to paycheck. The breaking point doesn't seem like it will ever happen, as people in this country are too occupied with material shit to go out and make a change. I also don't think protesting will do anything, as it is too far gone for that to do much.
 
andycapps said:
This American Life had a great podcast on the Subprime loan fiasco some months back. Great podcast, one of their best, IMO.
That was the one on Magnetar (the company) right? My econ professor played it for us. It's worth one's time to listen to that one.
 
We won't question this shit until we can't update our Facebooks and Twitters on our cheap iPhone's while eating a $5 Big Fuckkin' Taco Bell box.

It's Brave New World shit. We're so happy with the crap they give us we don't notice how they're controlling our every action.
 
ahoyhoy said:
We won't question this shit until we can't update our Facebooks and Twitters on our cheap iPhone's while eating a $5 Big Fuckkin' Taco Bell box.

It's Brave New World shit. We're so happy with the crap they give us we don't notice how they're controlling our every action.

Yep - It seems that many have decided to enjoy their docile life while a few profit heavily off of their backs. The few that actually know what is going on haven't done anything about it anyway, so who is going to do anything to stop this?
 
TheUsual said:
That was the one on Magnetar (the company) right? My econ professor played it for us. It's worth one's time to listen to that one.

Something like that, I forget. But yes, well worth one's time to listen to.
 
polyh3dron said:
bu bu bu bu bu but we must look forward, not backward.

Man if I were an idealist in Obama's cabinet I'd feel just like McNulty. I'd work with Dem's in Congress to push charges against these fucks, and when I'd get caught I'd be like "the fuck did I do?"
 
ClosingADoor said:
It really is amazing how one can go to sleep knowing they have fucked over millions of people and ruined tons of lives.

A conscience is seen as a weakness by capitalists.
 
Jay Leno ask this very question when President Obama was on. Obama said something like "what they did wasn't illegal". I don't know much about Wall Street, but that just seem wrong.
 
timetokill said:
There is literally nothing that can be changed until we come to a revolution. I'm talking French Revolution kind of stuff. Everything has been corrupted to the point where the only answer will soon be a violent uprising.
lol
 
I think the States need to start exercising some power. Most states are going bankrupt and they cannot print money. It is time to exercise some constitutional power and ram some amendments down the throat of the feds: I would like to see as a minimum an ammendment for 1. term limits and 2. forcing congress to recluse themselves on votes where they own a financial stake (stock)

Also on my wish list is a nationally elected corruption official that enforces corruption standards on congress.

The states can do this without the feds having a say if they have the balls.
 
Hari Seldon said:
I think the States need to start exercising some power. Most states are going bankrupt and they cannot print money. It is time to exercise some constitutional power and ram some amendments down the throat of the feds: I would like to see as a minimum an ammendment for 1. term limits and 2. forcing congress to recluse themselves on votes where they own a financial stake (stock)

Also on my wish list is a nationally elected corruption official that enforces corruption standards on congress.

The states can do this without the feds having a say if they have the balls.
Doubt that will happen. Corruption is rampant. Officials are too worried about their political future and aspirations. And the public is complacent.
 
heliosRAzi said:
Doubt that will happen. Corruption is rampant. Officials are too worried about their political future and aspirations. And the public is complacent.
the reasonable thing to do would be to riot in the streets and murder all rich people and government officials
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom