When the left and liberals start to eat themselves in house bickering often exists to try and ascend the ladders to who is the most oppressed. It can actually be quite disgusting at times. The disbelief of someone not attributing Hillary's loss due to her being a woman has some desperate to say this is proof white women have it harder than black people because of Obama.
Its a disingenuous way to try and play an oppression card. In stead of realising the struggles of each minority, but being honest enough in this topic to admit Obama smoked Clinton not because he's a man or black but because he was one of the best candidates the Dems have put forward in such a long time. His campaign was stellar as well.
He won because he was far better than Clinton and it had nothing to do with identity politics.
Because that seems to be one of the main points of the thread. If you guys want to play that game then we might as well go all in.
We sure can! However, nobody in here in trying to claim that being a white woman is harder than being a black woman. We've have had a number of posts implying that to be the case for white women vs. black men though.
Ah, yes. If said black man managed to not get killed in the process of doing those things, it was quite the achievement!
Yes, it's an achievement. I didn't deny that race makes things hard for minorities. I'm an Asian, and even then we're the model minority until we're too good, and then nobody wants you getting in on their slice of the pie.
The article that I posted presents research indicating the difficulties of a woman winning the presidency in presidential systems. I don't see any valid refutations of this information in this thread. What I see instead are a horde of people who are stuck on Hillary Clinton, insisting that sexism has nothing to do with why she lost, when I think it can be a factor. I see you, a black man, who should know better than to play oppression olympics and acknowledge that women share a different set of problems against a male-oriented society compared to black people.
It is not a fucking comparison between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. It is about looking at our society, our perceptions, and whether or not gender has an influence on women entering and participating in politics, and what kind of baggage women have to face to make it to the top.
But people want to say, "Hillary Clinton didn't lose because of sexism", as if what the article is suggesting is overwriting all other reasons. They fixate on Hillary Clinton and on sexism, and awkwardly use the first to pretend the second doesn't exist for Hillary Clinton, despite the very evident fact that she's a woman! Can you imagine if Obama lost in 2008, and someone said race had nothing to do with why he lost? No, nobody is saying sexism is THE primary reason. People are suggesting, I don't know, MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, gender has something to do with how women are seen and treated in politics.
But women can't have just that bit, because a black man got elected means a white woman could get elected, as if those were somehow equaland you yourself don't even consider it so, you think the white woman should be higher up on the hierarchy. But there has been no woman who has been elected president, white or not. There has only been one female presidential candidate of a major party. There's no solid proof that a white woman can do it, so maybe there should be an analysis not only of Hillary Clinton but of women in politics worldwide to better understand gender politics.
There are more than enough guys who want to argue it's all on Hillary, that it wasn't about sexism. They can't conceive of the notion that the Hillary Clinton of today is formed by her experiences
as a woman, the woman who was told she didn't look like a politician's wife, and that's why her husband didn't get reelected after his first term as governor. The woman who was told in college, while sitting for an exam, by a bunch of white guys who wanted to dodge the draft, what she was doing there and why she was trying to take their spots that would save them from being drafted. The woman who was laughed at and publicly humiliated nationwide, and even blamed for her husband's infidelity. The woman who was also blamed for sticking with her marriage and making it through. The woman who could easily place in the top 10 most qualified presidential candidates of all time, but once she is qualified, those qualifications became baggage.
Women think they have to be more qualified, they have to be twice as excellent to get the same position for less pay, they don't have confidence that men do. They don't push and shove in negotiations, and when they do, they're viewed unfavorably compared to men who do the same thing. These things that are observed in general business employment don't only affect everyday women, they can possibly affect women in politics too, because before they are politicians, before they are Republican or Democrat or Green or whatever, those
women are women.
