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Why LA's Restaurants May Be Better Than Those In New York

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Korey

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-s...90.html?utm_hp_ref=los-angeles&ir=Los+Angeles

I'm a little worried that writing this while living in Brooklyn will jeopardize my physical safety. But all this talk of whistleblowing has inspired me to finally speak out. The world needs to know the truth: Los Angeles restaurants excite me more than those in New York -- or any other city in this country, for that matter.

Not its high-end restaurants. If you're looking for a ritzy, three-Michelin-starred destination for your 25th anniversary, you're better off eating in New York, San Francisco, Chicago or maybe even Las Vegas. Few of LA's top-tier restaurants, if any, offer the culinary daring, sophistication or impeccable service you could expect at Le Bernardin or Saison.

I love nothing more than a great meal -- that's why I became a food writer. But I can't afford to spend $350 on a meal almost ever. So proximity to glittering palaces of haute gastronomy improves my life very little. The vast majority of my restaurant meals are basically cheap -- under $20 for dinner, under $10 for lunch. For special occasions, I'll splurge on a $50 dinner or a $30 lunch. And with these constraints, LA is simply the best restaurant city in America right now.

I admit that's a controversial statement. Most foodies would rank LA's restaurants below those in New York, Chicago, San Francisco and New Orleans. Many dismiss them as a hodgepodge of Hollywood watering holes and drive-thru Chick-fil-A's. But I think they're missing out. I'll grant that Chicago's deep-dish pizza and hot dogs rank among the world's best junk foods, that few cities have produce like San Francisco's and that New Orleans has an authentic indigenous restaurant culture unlike any other in the world. But I've lived in New York for most of my life, and know its restaurants best, so I'll compare its restaurants with LA's for the sake of argument.

On the low end, LA offers Chinese and Japanese food as good as New York's, and Thai and Mexican food that put New York's to shame. The tacos I ate at Guisados in Boyle Heights and the curries I've eaten at Jitlada in Thaitown were, bite for bite, better than any "ethnic" food I've had in New York.

LA is also home to far more serious restaurants that serve excellent meals in the crucial $30-to-$50 range. In New York, it's appallingly easy to go to an utterly mediocre restaurant and spend $50 or $60, once tax, tip and two drinks are included. I've done it dozens of times. In LA, with that same budget, you can eat full meals, with drinks, at some of the best restaurants in the city: Animal, Baco Mercat and Salt's Cure, to name three among many.

There are plenty of restaurants in New York that are just as good as those three, but many of them charge far more than $50 for a full meal. I love Il Buco Alimentari and The NoMad, but it's hard to get out of either paying less than $85 a person. And the few New York restaurants in that same category that might charge less are often impossible to get into. I recently ate dinner at Brooklyn hotspot Pok Pok NY. The food was very good, but the portions were fairly small, the price pretty high and we had to wait two-and-a-half hours for a table for two -- on a Sunday. Back in LA, Animal and Baco Mercat can be tough reservations, but you can walk into most other great, moderately priced restaurants any night of the week and get a table right away.

LA's advantage in cheap ethnic restaurants is largely thanks to demographics. LA has five times as many Thai residents, and four times as many Mexican residents, as New York City. Both cities have thriving Chinese communities far from their downtowns -- LA's in the San Gabriel Valley and New York's in Flushing, Queens. But I'd argue that LA's driving culture encourages travel to far-flung destinations more than New York's subway system. You can always take a detour when you're in a car, but there's a good chance your MTA routine never takes you near the 7 train to Flushing. For that reason, LA's geography is more democratic than New York's; good restaurants can thrive and attract notice in many parts of the city, rather than just the neighborhoods close to busy subway stops in Manhattan and northwest Brooklyn.

That points to the LA restaurant scene's main advantage over New York's: sprawl. There's a lot more room for big restaurants in LA than in New York. As a result, rent for retail space is much lower. Information on retail rent is notoriously unreliable, making it difficult to say precisely how much cheaper LA is. But Robert McGrath at leading commercial real estate agency CBRE said that the most useful yardstick is the rent for prime retail spaces on the ritziest streets in each city. A square foot of space on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan rents for $2970 a year -- five times the $580 that gets you the same amount of space on Rodeo Drive.

Because restaurateurs often pass along their operating costs, like rent, to consumers, higher rents can translate into higher menu prices. That spells bad news for New York's diners in more ways than one. Lower rents allow LA chefs to take more risks than their counterparts in New York. A New York restaurateur, paying $15,000 a month in rent for a prime location, must be sure to stock her menus with safe dishes that she knows will sell: roast chicken, hamburgers, seared scallops. LA restaurateurs, with a much lower hurdle, can afford to put pig's tails and amaranth salad on their menus, even if they only sell a few of these dishes a night.

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"There's definitely more experimentation, because there isn't a set model for what fine dining is in LA. It's an open canvas," he said. "New York likes what it likes, and it's less willing to get outside the box."

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L.A. has the distinct advantage of being in California, where one can find a shocking amount and variety of super-fresh produce at pretty much any time of the year.
 
L.A. has the distinct advantage of being in California, where one can find a shocking amount and variety of super-fresh produce at pretty much any time of the year.

LA can fuck itself. There's better shit in the Bay Area and Portland both in terms of quality and price.
 
LA can fuck itself. There's better shit in the Bay Area and Portland both in terms of quality and price.

only in terms of seafood, really. Most everything else is equal to or better from my experiences.

LA sucks in seafood, with the exception of sushi, compared to most big cities.
 

Rayven

aka surume
I don't have enough NYC xp to say which is better (actually, I don't care), but it's true that LA has fantastic food in the low to mid price range.

Also, it's been steadily getting better on the west side over the last 3 years while the staples like K-town are consistently great.
 

Gallbaro

Banned
Article raves about Thia and Mexican, which I will not argue.

But:
Pizza
Deli's
Bagels
Dinners
Amazing South American Food

Joe Satran is just a racist shit who is afraid of going to ethnic neighborhoods without his car.
 

Bombadil

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LA shits on New York from a great height.

The state of California, in particular, is superior to New York in many ways.
 

WedgeX

Banned
So car culture equals better choice in food...

Coming from the capital of car culture, this is simply not true.
 
Five Guys is the worst. The worst.

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Htown

STOP SHITTING ON MY MOTHER'S HEADSTONE
what are you going to do, fly back and forth across the country based on which city's food is better?

this is the mainstream press food equivalent of those fanboy click-bait articles game sites come out with
 

Gallbaro

Banned
Article raves about Thia and Mexican, which I will not argue.

But:
Pizza
Deli's
Bagels
Dinners
Amazing South American Food

Joe Satran is just a racist shit who is afraid of going to ethnic neighborhoods without his car.

And scientifically proven to have better burgers.
 
bullshit. there's tons of great cheap food in NY too.

But there's more in Los Angeles. There being a lot of cheap food in NY isn't the point, it's that their cheap food isn't plentiful enough or of sufficient quality on average. At least, that's the argument being made by the author.
 

Talon

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what are you going to do, fly back and forth across the country based on which city's food is better?

this is the mainstream press food equivalent of those fanboy click-bait articles game sites come out with
It's almost like...it's a HuffPo article!
 
what are you going to do, fly back and forth across the country based on which city's food is better?

this is the mainstream press food equivalent of those fanboy click-bait articles game sites come out with

Just go up to Portland and get a bunch of cheap ass good food at one of the parking lot Food Cart areas.
 
Article raves about Thia and Mexican, which I will not argue.

But:
Pizza
Deli's
Bagels
Dinners
Amazing South American Food

Joe Satran is just a racist shit who is afraid of going to ethnic neighborhoods without his car.

Delis in LA and NYC are equal. Langer's #19 >>>>>

Bagels are great out here too. LA and NYC are the bagel centers (yes, NYC has a slight advantage). Diners are better outside of both these cities.

I'd say NYC pizza counters LA Mexican.
 

.la1n

Member
I willing to bet we have the best Korean and Japanese food too.

Anthony Bourdain been saying this for a few years now. He also said no other place has the type of fusion foods we have in LA.

Korean hands down no contest. Best Korean I have had outside of home made.
 

MattKeil

BIGTIME TV MOGUL #2
LA can fuck itself. There's better shit in the Bay Area and Portland both in terms of quality and price.

I'm from SF, and nearly a decade in LA has definitely convinced me that SF remains superior in the food department, but dismissing LA so cavalierly betrays your inexperience. LA has really good food. It's just that SF has great food.

only in terms of seafood, really. Most everything else is equal to or better from my experiences.

LA sucks in seafood, with the exception of sushi, compared to most big cities.

San Francisco destroys LA in sushi. LA doesn't have bad sushi, mind you, but SF can't be beat on the West Coast for raw fish.

Also Los Angeles has awful pizza. Outside of a couple of very specialized places, decent pizza is nearly impossible to find here.
 

Bombadil

Banned
I'm from SF, and nearly a decade in LA has definitely convinced me that SF remains superior in the food department, but dismissing LA so cavalierly betrays your inexperience. LA has really good food. It's just that SF has great food.



San Francisco destroys LA in sushi. LA doesn't have bad sushi, mind you, but SF can't be beat on the West Coast for raw fish.

Also Los Angeles has awful pizza. Outside of a couple of very specialized places, decent pizza is nearly impossible to find here.

Never heard of Mulberry's?
 
I'm from SF, and nearly a decade in LA has definitely convinced me that SF remains superior in the food department, but dismissing LA so cavalierly betrays your inexperience. LA has really good food. It's just that SF has great food.

I grew up on great Bay Area/SF food so my standards are high if people are going to praise things. Also I'm not a fan of socal.
 

MattKeil

BIGTIME TV MOGUL #2
Never heard of Mulberry's?

That would be one of the "very specialized places" I referred to.

I grew up on great Bay Area/SF food so my standards are high if people are going to praise things. Also I'm not a fan of socal.

Yeah, I was a NorCal snob too until I lived here long enough to get over myself. Los Angeles is a ridiculous city, but it's really a pretty great place to live. And the Mexican and Korean food here is way better than back home. There's no contest whatsoever.
 
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