Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
I could care less who plays who. I just want good actors involved.
Anything is better than the recent McAvoy years.
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Why not just give us the Xmen already?
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Anything is better than the recent McAvoy years.
RCU005
Member
The first one where Sylvie kills him was ok, because that’s what triggers the multiverse. Kang dying on Ant-Man is stupid, though.
If they didn’t want to kill Ant-Man yet, they could’ve killed Janet or Hank. Or at least they should’ve made like a very tense scene where they barely managed to scape and get to leave Kang trapped again. Or at the very, very least, they should’ve never mention that he’s dead.
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pramod
Banned
I think they are intentionally setting up all these multiple Kangs and killing them off so that you are forced to watch everything just to follow wtf is going on.
RCU005
Member
Probably, but the Kang in Ant-Man said that he was the most powerful of all of them, so now that he was easily killed, what interest should we have to watch everything if the other Kangs will be easier to kill?
Marvel just dropped the ball so hard. If Kang is dead, they negate his power and menace. If he is alive, then there’s no consequences for anything and like usual, death means nothing, and can’t take it seriously.
Whoever wrote and greenlit the ending of Ant-Man, just destroyed Phase 5 in the first movie. There could still be other good movies and whatnot, but it’s going to be very hard to take this villain seriously and be invested in him.
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I mean, they can't make Magneto over 100 years old in the MCU ... Unless he took some form of super soldier serum, but even then he'd still age normally, like Steve did.
I don't think that Kang is dead. He's lost in time .. he'll be back. The other Kangs just THINK he's dead.
Gp1
Member
But Xavier has to be at least close to his age. Difficult for them to relate if Xavier is 3 generations younger than Magneto
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Parrellel worlds colliding maybe....idk.
Scotty W
Banned
No!
The entire franchise as it exists right now needs to disappear.
Wipe the slate clean and make the 90’s show.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
A reset or different multiverse would be ideal, but She-Hulk showed they rather just fuck it all up by pretending mutants already exist.
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FunkMiller
Member
Spot on.
It's a weak villain, in a weak phase. Nobody is going to give a shit.
They should have had one Kang, who can travel the multiverse killing everything in sight.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I saw Ant-Man... I liked it! A lot!
pramod
Banned
ANT-MAN AND THE WASP: QUANTUMANIA Will Likely Finish Its Global Box Office Run With Under $500M
The latest box office updates are in, and Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania's shrinking returns don't bode well for the Marvel Studios threequel's final worldwide cume...
Antman 3 will make less than Antman 1. What a disaster.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.1
Enjoy what you get, want to see more avengers, punisher is joining us again, Spider-Man feels like he’s in a good place. There’s a guardians of the galaxy movie on tv all the time.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
I'm hoping its taking them so long because they are working on a long-term plan and great storylines. If this was DC they would have thrown together some nonsense six months after acquiring them. They have 60 years of material to work with.
Damn, that's like Black Adam numbers!
Jinzo Prime
Member
Ehh, I feel like Magneto's is explicitly tied to his origin, about as mush as Capitan America. They could have Hydra experiment on him to slow his aging or freeze him like CA, but getting rid of his origin is too damaging to his character.
MAtgS
Member
Once again, my belief that anyone who uses "woke" unironically is an idiot remains unshakened. Like, X-Men's whole deal for decades has been being an allegory for racism, homophopia, & whatever other bigotry is going on in the world. Not entirely sure what of you were expecting.
pel1300
Member
Then you need to get out more and interact with people outside of your bubble. Everyone uses the term unironically these days.
Also - wokeness comes from the movement created as a response to the "failure" of liberalism. X-Men always being liberal does not = X-Men being woke...quite the opposite actually.
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Unknown Soldier
Member
Indeed. X-Men is in many ways the opposite of wokeness, considering Charles Xavier embraced a peaceful strategy of trying to have mutants and humans understand each other and live peacefully together. Modern wokeness is all about canceling opinions you think are wrong and destroying the lives of people who express incorrect opinions. For a recent example, look at what they've been trying to do to J.K Rowling.
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Alcibiades
Member
They should do an X-Men franchise completely separate from MCU.
Would love to see them take place in the 60s similar to First Class except they don't jump a decade between each movie. Also, only 1 movie every 2-3 years.
No need to have "blip" or multiverse baggage. Also no audience worried about missing any references if they haven't recently watched every piece of MCU media.
Would love to see them take place in the 60s similar to First Class except they don't jump a decade between each movie. Also, only 1 movie every 2-3 years.
No need to have "blip" or multiverse baggage. Also no audience worried about missing any references if they haven't recently watched every piece of MCU media.
kurisu_1974
Member
still waiting on a movie version of
That was Kang the Conqueror, he who remains ( another Kang ) is the ultimate Kang. This was just one of the many many variants
bitbydeath
Gold Member
X-he/men
Sybrix
Member
I'm only a Marvel fan as far as the MCU goes, i know nothing about the comics.
Am i right in thinking X-Men is the name of the team under Professor X?
So when ever a mutant type MCU movie is out, it wont be called X Men or anything like that, more likely it will be called Mutans etc?
Am i right in thinking X-Men is the name of the team under Professor X?
So when ever a mutant type MCU movie is out, it wont be called X Men or anything like that, more likely it will be called Mutans etc?
NickFire
Member
I don't think that's a conspiracy theory at all. No sir, I would actually call that the most rationale business model they could adopt on how to proceed with the general Marvel IP. Spiderman can only carry so many movies right now.
Doom85
Member
X-Force, X-Factor, X-Statix, there have been other X teams that IIRC were not overseen (at least not directly) by Xavier.
Goalus
Member
I hear that Victoria Alonso was fired today.
https://deadline.com/2023/03/victoria-alonso-marvel-studios-departure-1235304993/
That is unfortunate because she played a big role in pushing identity politics into the MCU. I hope this doesn't mean that The Marvels will be cancelled. I'm not interested in the movie itself (at all), but I am soooo looking forward to the drama surrounding it that will be free to watch on YouTube.
A consistently outspoken champion of diversity in entertainment, Alonso said during a 2021 Women In Animation panel at the Annecy Animation Film Festival that inclusion, diversity and gender parity “all go hand-in-hand with showing the world as it is.”
Reading this I can't help but think about what a collossal loss her departure must be for Disney.
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Fatmanp
Member
Agreed. As a comic reader it would be odd seeing Prof X as say black man but cast Denzel Washington and im all the way in because he is my fav actor of all time. A good example of this is Jeffrey Wright as commissioner Gordon. Terrific actor playing a part that has always been a white character and doing it fantastically well.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Yep. Wright made a great Gordon. He pulled off that tired grizzled detective vibe that Gordon has always had really well. It played off the younger Batman great.
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I agree. But I am interested in the Inhumans and hopefully get to see a bit of them at least.
Bragr
Banned
What? where do you get this from? she's not dark enough?
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
IMO the problem with the latest Ant-Man revolves around how the tie-ins and inertia (if you can call it that) drew upon TV shows like Loki that a lot of casual MCU fans never saw because they weren't Disney+ subscribers and/or just didn't care. The big bad is a guy viewers may have seen, and only briefly.
Basically this latest phase of the MCU has been kind of erratic so it's not a surprise, to me at least, that Ant-Man isn't performing all that hot.
On topic: building up a reboot of the X-Men is going to take time. A lot of actors will need to be locked into contracts, a lot of writing and planning will be needed, the right directors will need to be secured, etc. I think once Disney gets their new creative leadership settled those wheels will begin turning more quickly.
Basically this latest phase of the MCU has been kind of erratic so it's not a surprise, to me at least, that Ant-Man isn't performing all that hot.
On topic: building up a reboot of the X-Men is going to take time. A lot of actors will need to be locked into contracts, a lot of writing and planning will be needed, the right directors will need to be secured, etc. I think once Disney gets their new creative leadership settled those wheels will begin turning more quickly.
LegendOfKage
Member
I felt this watching Dr Strange as well. It's bad enough expecting people to have seen several of the movies that came before the one you're watching. Really dumb and alienating to people who don't want to pay to stream ONLY Disney and marvel content, on a limited and censorship happy streaming service.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
You've never read the comics have you? Storm is dark skinned... Halle and Alexandra are both light skinned... Angela Bassett was the favored actress by us geeks back in the day to play Storm... but they went with Halle.
I'd get deeper into this but I don't think you want to have that conversation... But the above is why I said what I said.
Bragr
Banned
Angela Bassett? over Halle Barry? There must have been 3 guys who wanted that.
Thing is, you can't say that race doesn't matter when white actors get race swapped, and then react when a comic book character is not as black as in the comics. Those are mutually exclusive opinions.
There are hundreds of posts on here where people are complaining about race-swapped white characters, and you are always one of the people who argue that race should not matter in these cases. But why are you suddenly thinking it matters now?
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
We obviously weren't in the same pockets of the innanet when the casting went down.
And I can't say that while not being mad at race swapping? Are you black or a POC ? Because you would UNDERSTAND why I can... Have you heard of colorism? Have you heard of hiring the lighter skinned actor to be more palatable to white audiences? That darker skinned black WOMEN have historically been discriminated against or not given the same opportunities as lighter skinned black women whether in the entertainment industry or outside of it?
Bragr
Banned
Using colorism in the context that the comic book version was a "blacker person" is the wrong way of approaching this. Using colorism as a blanket term is no good. Halle Barry was popular and pretty, unless you have very specific information they avoided blacker people for that role, you shouldn't use it in this context. I am not saying blacker people were not avoided, but you have to look at this as individual cases.
And frankly, this sort of condescending argument of "you ain't black so you don't understand" is old outdated thinking and is used to avoid things. That sort of thinking swings both ways.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
What am I avoiding?
And please don't say "blacker" ...
I'll get more into your post later as I'm at work.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Colorism is the correct term in the context of the example I used.
And nowhere did I say "you ain't black so you don't understand"... And no where did I say "are you black?" ... I said you're likely not a POC which includes Asians, First Nations, Latinos, etc. Because they all have issues with colorism within their own communities that goes back at least a few centuries. That's an issue white people don't "seem" to have (key word, seem), ergo, why you probably don't understand why it's a thing or why I'm bringing it up or why it can be mutually exclusive from "race swapping" ... Even though white people still hold almost all the power and the biggest roles and projects in Hollywood.
Again, how am I avoiding anything when I'm engaging with you directly? I'm trying to explain it ... You're being dismissive. Like you've been before.
I'm not trying to be antagonistic... These subjects and anyone being dismissive hits different than most other subjects.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
I don't recall any sort of chatter about the casting in the first film, though I was a kid at the time and never watched TV or the news (I was a sporty, outdoors kid). But I do remember Halle Berry being one of the most sought after stars around, at least it seemed that way, so I get why Fox was so eager to get someone like that to co-star in what at the time was viewed as something for dorks and not general audiences (thankfully Singer and crew proved everyone wrong).
Bragr
Banned
I know what colorism is, but things change, and I specifically mentioned this because you said "she wasn't light-skinned in the comics". I wasn't talking about colorism as an idea on some grand scale, but the idea that they race-swapped her in the movie. Producers are "altering races" to appeal to wider demographics, just like they are doing to some white characters now. Just like they did with Halle Barry.
I think it's an interesting thing, where colorism is obvious and right in your face for black people, but for white people, they might not even notice it. And then right now, you have a shift, where some white characters are changed and black people just view it as diversification, while for some white folks, it feels as offensive as colorism does for black people.
Also, regarding the "I never said "Are you black"?" line. You kinda did. You said:
"Are you black or a POC? Because you would UNDERSTAND why I can."
I don't really give a shit, but I have heard this line a billion times when talking to black americans. Immediately when you mention anything about race you get this stuff thrown at you. It feels like someone is telling you "stfu white guy". I know you didn't say that and I am likely just misunderstanding, but it's just a strange thing.
And frankly, I don't think we are that misaligned on all this, I just reacted to the idea that Halle Barry should have been darker as a weird one.
Azurro
Banned
You don't care about roles being race swapped as long as it's a white man or a woman, you can find whatever ridiculous justification for it, your feelings are absolutely irrelevant. This position you have makes you a gigantic hypocrite at best and a racist at worst.
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Yeah. We're not misaligned much at all. I think we're saying some similar things with different words.
LegendOfKage
Member
I'd say even white people have issues with what could be defined as colorism, even if they don't generally call it that. There's a reason "talk, dark, and handsome" is a phrase, and there's a reason tanning salons are a thing. While there are definitely guys who are attracted to girls with pale white skin, it seems many more white girls would rather have a tan, and pale skin on a white guy is generally never talked about as desirable. Plus that's not even getting into the topic of albinos.
I think it's just a case of outliers, and people finding the extremes in either case to be less preferred. I don't think it's always simply a case of white beauty standards being applied to black people, but I can see why many would feel that's the case.
