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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw yeah!
I think it would be at odds for Namco to be developing their own "All Star Battle" game while co-developing Smash Bros with Nintendo but I guess we will find out in a few days.
Bamstrokher
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That's not a very cool post. It offers nothing helpful to any discussion anywhere. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
My BS radar just exploded.
Hi everyone!!
Seems that there is nothing really new to speculate about.....
Then I'll have to speculate a bit myself and let my "sick brain" do the stuff!!
While browsing the internet about Wii U news and following NintendoGAF all the time I was wondering about...
...what if Nintendo cheated all??
What if all the "rumors" about weak hardware are not true and only there cos Nintendo leaves even the developers in the dark?
-> what I mean with that is: yeah maybe they all have final devkits but not everything is "unlocked" by now.
Maybe only a handful (or less) devs know about the full potential of the Wii U.
More and more I came to speculate about this cos in the spec list there AMD themselt referred to the GPU as GPU7 and in a fact sheet of their homepage there:
GPU-7: How to configure multiple monitors when using ATI CrossFireX technology
I have posted the link to the page some pages before.
So maybe they are using 2 GPUs or even a 4 or 8 core CPU, maybe they will unlock it later (sooner to release).
-> I know now all the NAY sayers will come with the only reason they have from day one "The case is to small aka to much heat"
Why is that, we are talking about Nintendo here, over the decades they have shown how to put good hardware in small boxes.
(IMO Nintendo is longtime useing the MAC design philosophy, small - powerful - less cables and not the PC design philosophy where all is a bit bigger and you have a jungle of cables if you open the tower....)
All what is happening till last years E3 is looking like marketing/business "s**t" to me, like oh lets test the pricepoint e.g. 400, at Amazon first, now 350, (Euros)
Then the talk from Mark Rein about the Wii U and referring to it as a powerful machine...(I even looked at the calendar that time to make sure its no Aprils fool)
Mark Rein was even the one who stated that UE4 is not denied for WiiU its only confirmed for PC by now, he was the one saying first UE4 game will come 2012 (or be revealed? - think it was released)
(BTW: last released EPIC games in 02/2011 and 11/2011 written on their HP)
So putting all that together, maybe Wii U will be way more powerful than some of us thought and maybe EPIC will release a UE4 game for WiiUs release - that would be IMO beside GTAV the only best way to convince core gamers about the console.
I'm sorry if I confuse some of you but there are so many things running through my head and since thats a speculation thread...
Seems that there is nothing really new to speculate about.....
Then I'll have to speculate a bit myself and let my "sick brain" do the stuff!!
While browsing the internet about Wii U news and following NintendoGAF all the time I was wondering about...
...what if Nintendo cheated all??
What if all the "rumors" about weak hardware are not true and only there cos Nintendo leaves even the developers in the dark?
-> what I mean with that is: yeah maybe they all have final devkits but not everything is "unlocked" by now.
Maybe only a handful (or less) devs know about the full potential of the Wii U.
More and more I came to speculate about this cos in the spec list there AMD themselt referred to the GPU as GPU7 and in a fact sheet of their homepage there:
GPU-7: How to configure multiple monitors when using ATI CrossFireX technology
I have posted the link to the page some pages before.
So maybe they are using 2 GPUs or even a 4 or 8 core CPU, maybe they will unlock it later (sooner to release).
-> I know now all the NAY sayers will come with the only reason they have from day one "The case is to small aka to much heat"
Why is that, we are talking about Nintendo here, over the decades they have shown how to put good hardware in small boxes.
(IMO Nintendo is longtime useing the MAC design philosophy, small - powerful - less cables and not the PC design philosophy where all is a bit bigger and you have a jungle of cables if you open the tower....)
All what is happening till last years E3 is looking like marketing/business "s**t" to me, like oh lets test the pricepoint e.g. 400, at Amazon first, now 350, (Euros)
Then the talk from Mark Rein about the Wii U and referring to it as a powerful machine...(I even looked at the calendar that time to make sure its no Aprils fool)
Mark Rein was even the one who stated that UE4 is not denied for WiiU its only confirmed for PC by now, he was the one saying first UE4 game will come 2012 (or be revealed? - think it was released)
(BTW: last released EPIC games in 02/2011 and 11/2011 written on their HP)
So putting all that together, maybe Wii U will be way more powerful than some of us thought and maybe EPIC will release a UE4 game for WiiUs release - that would be IMO beside GTAV the only best way to convince core gamers about the console.
I'm sorry if I confuse some of you but there are so many things running through my head and since thats a speculation thread...
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
The Wii U is not using two GPUs. The Wii U does not have hidden power that Nintendo has kept secret, for no good reason, from developers. It is what it is.
...dont missunderstand me. I'm perfectly ok with Wii U as it is said to be.
I only speculated about it a bit...
AND Nintendo did that before (hide things) with the 3DS...so why not now?
Barack Lesnar
Banned
That doesn't seem like a very significant piece of info, but OK let's give him that. I don't see much of anything else we couldn't have 'predicted' ourselves. Also, what about the thread I linked? Don't you feel that was REALLY odd?
I wish the Wii U were more powerful but I'm still interested in it, otherwise I wouldn't be lurking this thread (I rarely post in it but I read it). More than anything I'm skeptical about the use of the U-pad. I'd be fine with it being underpowered if the pad brought something awesome to gaming. I've yet to see really innovative uses for it that would add a lot to gameplay. This lead up and hype about it reminds me a lot of the Wii-mote when everyone was talking about all these incredible possibilities before it launched... fast-forward 6 years and well, yeah. Fool me once, etc. Once I see stuff that blows us away, I'll be more positive about the system. Not gonna blindly love it.
You're hear to be negative, that's my opinion. Not specifically because you have a problem with Ideaman, but because I don't recall you ever having a positive view on this topic. That's fine if that's what floats your boat, just don't pretend you don't care either way.
Mass Effect 3
Batman
NG3
These are games that were previously released and are now coming to the Wii-U with some modifications. Do you think more games will follow and if so which ones would you actually want to be released on the Wii-U? Not counting things like AC3 or Darksiders 2 that might be just a little later. I'm referring to games that are already out now.
My list would be:
1. Dragons Dogma
2. Diablo 3
3. Battlefield 3
4. The Elder Scrolls: Skyrim
5. Minecraft
6. The Witcher 2
Batman
NG3
These are games that were previously released and are now coming to the Wii-U with some modifications. Do you think more games will follow and if so which ones would you actually want to be released on the Wii-U? Not counting things like AC3 or Darksiders 2 that might be just a little later. I'm referring to games that are already out now.
My list would be:
1. Dragons Dogma
2. Diablo 3
3. Battlefield 3
4. The Elder Scrolls: Skyrim
5. Minecraft
6. The Witcher 2
MadeInBeats
Banned
We already have specs which are pretty much confirmed by various people as the working foundation for developers, important things like that would have been in the SDK details.
As for the UE4 launch game, there's a difference between speculation and pure fantasy lad
Barack Lesnar
Banned
I've only made a handful of posts in these speculation threads. If that was my agenda I'd be in here a lot more often, but you're entitled to your opinion.
We already have specs which are pretty much confirmed by various people as the working foundation for developers, important things like that would have been in the SDK details.
As for the UE4 launch game, there's a difference between speculation and pure fantasy lad
We know UE4 is going to start being in games in 2014-2015, I do feel that UE4 will be supported on the Wii U.
lwilliams3
Member
Developers knew about the 3ds second cpu core, though. They just didn't have access to it.
Yeah.
Well, technically it probably has "Hollywood" on the GPU die, I don't see a way to get 100% hardware Emulation without it, which would mean there are fixed function shaders, but no one is going to argue that that puts it on equal footing with those PS4 target specs.
Still people are really pushing this Wii U is weak, but compared to imaginary consoles that are not released is bonkers, Wii U will be the most powerful home console ever released this holiday, and that shouldn't come to anyone as a surprise, if it has, congrats, you've fallen into the doom and gloom that Wii U is weak.
Compared to the generational leap people expected, yes it is absolutely a weak console.
Maybe all the other consoles will be mediocre as well in this regard, we don't know, but it's definitely disappointing none the less. No matter how you word it.
In the eyes of many, it'll be just Nintendo catching up with the rest. And that's perfectly fine.
Not this, not again
btw, i love you too, and you took the Q&A of this thread a tad too seriously i would say, it was made specifically to defuse in advance any hypothetic quote wars from the few who have no better use of their time than bitching over people on a board, and direct the discussion toward greener pastures, interesting ones, about the feature in itself, and it was a success and well understood as a 5rd degree notice by all the participants, a pity it's not the case for you and you felt the need to declare it a month after the topic creation
Anyway, kiss
The Wii U is definitely a bigger jump from the PS3/360 than the Wii was from the Xbox.
not smash brothers is what they're gonna show. this is a different game.
I think you'll find that GPU features and the extra ram is what is really holding current gen consoles from catching up to high end PCs, in fact Watch Dogs could be doable on a PS3 with 2GB of ram and DX11 capabilities, the truth is architecture is key to this next gen, power is already enough to show off some pretty amazing things, just look at uncharted 3 or gears 3, or halo 4... those games look pretty great right? just wait until Crysis 3 comes to current gen consoles, I think that will surprise you greatly, and that is with those huge limitations that Wii U takes care of by default. The extra power will help it even further, so I think you are simplifying things based on what we know, and that isn't much.
I'm sorry, I don't see anything that even remotely resembles a "jump" from the PS3/360.
All this spec discussion is getting useless fast when all we've seen so far is of the same level as any other HD console, only now it has the Nintendo brand on the box.
People who keep hammering on the "mythical hidden power that's just waiting to be discovered" are just being a little too optimistic for my tastes.
Gamers should be hyped about the gamepad, the Miiverse, the first-party offerings and not the console's power, because if what they have show so far is any indication, Nintendo is going to come up short in that regard pretty soon.
I'm just saying, the last 10+ pages of this thread have all revolved around one single aspect of the console, which coincidentally is the single aspect Nintendo apparently cares very little about.
Watch Dogs is coming to PS3 but I suppose you are referring to the fidelity seen in the E3 demo which probably won't be seen in the PS360 versions. I am interested in seeing how much the versions differ and am curious if development is leading with the PC or one of the HD Twins?
It seems a bit ridiculous that this has not been announced for Wii U.
Grampa Simpson
Banned
Nintendo will stop making games when they stop making hardware. I think they'll keep their word on this. But that's a long time away, hopefully. And the landscape may remarkably improve for them in one way or another. This industry is unpredictable and fascinating.
This is one of the reasons I don't post much anymore. I love me some Nintendo, and dislike their competitors, but if I let myself get worked up too much about it, I'll end up getting myself banned.
All I want is the Wii U to get the third party support the PS4/720 gets, I don't care if the Wii U version doesn't have as amazing lighting or textures are not as good, I want the games.
E3 2012 was confirmed to only show the launch window, Watch Dog is coming out late 2013, we should hear about it at the Fall Conference if not than later or E3 2013.
MadeInBeats
Banned
Any reason in particular? You seem to be implying you know something other people don't. What makes you so sure? :-\
Ok lets forget discussion on raw performance for the moment. To make this less convoluted lets just look at the most basic facts we have. WiiU is absolute mimimum DX10.1 capable, how is that not a jump over DX9?
Ubisoft has too many teams tied up in Wii U right now, AC3 also has a huge team behind it, WD currently is being developed on PC as the lead platform, it will be brought to PS360 but Ubisoft has said the main reason the Wii U version isn't being developed atm is because of man power. My guess is ZombiU and AC3 will easily break 1 million each, I actually assume those will do at least 2m each and that should be enough to secure future Ubisoft titles.
Basically, Nintendo isn't trying to put out hardcore tech demos, so your assessment of what's been seen is pretty much correct. Since no one's trying to "max out" the box to wow anyone with a demo, the only way to tell the actual power of the system compared to PS360 is the spec-type talk and what would theoretically be possible with the numbers being bandied about. It's worth pointing out (again) that there are late generation PS360 ports being able to be ported to Wii U before developers have really gotten a handle on the system, so there has to be some greater raw power in there somewhere. But visually, as you said, it's not been a focus of Nintendo to show that.
To go with x4 the amount of RAM is a jump from PS360. Like going from 1 million $ to 4 million $ = a jump. 1 woman to 4 women = jump. 10 year to 40 years = jump...
I think Red Steel sold under 1 million, but it was a poor game to be fair.
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Rösti
Unconfirmed Member
Announced today:
As there is always a Q&A session with these meetings, there's potential for more Wii U info in a few weeks. Though with a suggested Nintendo Direct broadcast in August, they might just dodge questions like Reggie dodges the realization that their E3 presentation was bad.
Source: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/schedule/index.html
As there is always a Q&A session with these meetings, there's potential for more Wii U info in a few weeks. Though with a suggested Nintendo Direct broadcast in August, they might just dodge questions like Reggie dodges the realization that their E3 presentation was bad.
lostinblue
Banned
I don't know about that. Is DS GPU in-silicon on the 3DS?
Nintendo had a TEV-Pipeline emulator for PC environment released late in Wii cycle (2009 or so) to avoid you having to take out every single game in order to see how the effect you were trying would fare; pretty probable they could make conversions for calls like those on the go; stream processors should be able to emulate TEV pipeline behaviour. But I dunno.
If they did include hollywood though, what's keeping devs from sandboxing it and using it for the controller screen? I mean it's 853x480 and wii rendered anamorphic 640x480 but it would surely take load out of the main gpu for simpler applications and even some 3D (I mean the thing pushed Mario Galaxy alone); only problem would be streaming it, I guess.
But I reckon it might not be there at all.
This said I'm sure as obsessed as Nintendo is with their no bottleneck policy they might actually run the OS on an arm core, who know's if they actually have an extra low end gpu there for such petty things.
It's probably certainly not weak on a watt/power ratio, manufacturing process and efficience are also a factor; the wii couldn't have been made in 2001 as well, let alone have it's ridiculous power consumption making it 2005 or so tech just the same. Just not cutting edge.
But if they focused on watt/power consumption alone they'd be making an error (just like the other end of the spectrum would). I hope they pack everything they can, but still releasing first and with a smaller size for the components there are no miracles, still, I think the sweet spot would be in the 0-8/1 Teraflop rating for the gpu, shame that seems to be a miss.
It sold over a million.
About sales btw...
I don't what I can expect from other titles. The Nintendo published titles (sans Ninja Gaiden 3 RE and I guess Project P-100) will be fine, but regarding third parties I don't have any expectations. AC III will be big I suppose and maybe Darksiders II if Vigil pushes the "it has a few Zelda-like mechanics!" argument. I don't think Batman AC Armored Edition will sell a lot of copies, same goes for ME 3.
Tekken TT 2 is a wildcard I guess.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Not this, not again
btw, i love you too, and you took the Q&A of this thread a tad too seriously i would say, it was made specifically to defuse in advance any hypothetic quote wars from the few who have no better use of their time than bitching over people on a board, and direct the discussion toward greener pastures, interesting ones, about the feature in itself, and it was a success and well understood as a 5rd degree notice by all the participants, a pity it's not the case for you and you felt the need to declare it a month after the topic creation
Anyway, kiss
The reason I referenced that thread was because it raised major red flags. I've never seen someone who's leaking info and rumors (about anything, not just games) to draw so much attention to himself, to go as far as making a game-OT-ish OP with image headers and even a Q&A section about himself. I found it utterly bizarre and suspect, and something an individual seeking attention would do, not someone privy to secret info.
You got the flash card size thing right, so who knows, maybe you are legit. I was expecting more than that leading up to E3 and post-E3, though. Like concrete info about a big upcoming game, some huge online feature, anything of substance that we couldn't have guessed ourselves. I'll refrain from shitting up this thread any further but yeah, I'm not a believer, to say the least.
Sorry, I don't "know" anything. I'm just using common sense looking at what's there (that © 2012 NBGI for example and the other things pointed out in my earlier reply).
Why would the Bandai website host a Smash Bros. reveal?
Why would said page only show a Namco Bandai Games logo at the bottom when Smash Bros is being developed by Sora, Namco Bandai Games and Namco Bandai Studios?
Why would they throw a © 2012 NBGI on there when the © would clearly belong to Nintendo?
Why would they tease it with weird photos and non-specific screenshot cut-outs?
Why would they do it a week AFTER the Smash Bros collabo announcement where they showed literally nothing (not even a name)?
Why would the reveal-site carry a non-specific title (link says "/newtitle/") and not just flatout hype up Smash Bros.
It just doesn't make any sense. All Star Battle could be anything.
How does... an IRC thing get someone banned from a separate forum?
It's pretty obvious IdeaMan gets second/third-hand info from somewhere. His presentation of the info is eclectic, sure, but so is he.
What is the biggest thing programmers/developers complained about this generation, outside of the Cell (and generally poor IPC of both HD consoles' CPUs)?
Barack Lesnar
Banned
RAM
I don't think people realize how much of a bottleneck it was this gen.
http://www.gamespot.com/red-steel/reviews/red-steel-review-6162018/ 5.5 game... out of 10, and it sold 1.3m ZombiU is a Zombie game and looks to be a hell of a lot better than 5.5, and AC3 should have no problem hitting 2m, now I said I think 2m or more, so if you think that's being optimistic, I only have to point to those ratings to show just how weird that comes off.
I think with how much they have invested in Gamecube's hardware tech, they will just include it on the GPU die, we've gotten hints to this in the past and looking at those demos last year, they clearly displayed advance lighting, and thanks to Nintendo's screw up with the on stage bird demo, we know that the lighting was a last minute inclusion, which really points to nearly free performance that a fixed function shader would offer.
We have been hearing that the CPU's performance is tied to how much data is being streamed to the tablet, it's not a matter of the GPU not being powerful enough, but the CPU being drain for performance based on whats being displayed on the controller. I believe you might be right about the arm CPU, I think BG told us that the I/O chip was surprisingly strong, which should be an ARM CPU.
Yeah, from what I hear, it's ~600GFLOPs, which definitely fits with the more powerful than current gen rumors even if we hear a lot of reports about the CPU being underwhelming. Still I like to think of what PS360 can do with ~250GFLOPs, personally that makes me feel a lot better about what Wii U is offering.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Rösti;39443519 said:
Thanks for that. I'm still waiting for Nintendo to post the English translation of the most recent Q&A too.
Any source on that just out of interest?
snowdog1971
Banned
If they release the PS4 to retail at more than 400 dollars then it's not going to do well at all, same goes for the 720 imo. Whether Sony or Microsoft want to admit it or not the U is going to be competition for their next gen consoles, and over a hundred dollars/pounds difference in price could make people buy a U instead as long as the U gets a SKU of all multiplatform titles by then.
If they both release their next gen efforts a year after the U I'm personally expecting the U to have an installed userbase between 10-15m and unless they price their consoles at a bargain price it could take years to close that marketshare gap, and when they do start to do that then Nintendo just have to cut the price.
What's interesting is the decisions by both Sony and Microsoft to have a console lifespan of 7 years or more. Nintendo's decision to have another traditional 5-6 year lifespan makes a great deal more sense - the U2 (lol) when it's released will have considerably more grunt than the PS4 and 720 and will probably have a 2 or 3 year marketshare head start, leaving the PS5 and 1080 playing catch up in terms of marketshare and technology.
Microsoft should have released the 720 in 2011, bundled with Kinect. You almost always have an advantage releasing a console first in a gen and it's looking like Nintendo are going to have that now and for future gens unless they do something daft and change their future consoles' lifespans.
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Rösti
Unconfirmed Member
I read the Japanese transcript. Nothing really interesting there in regards to Wii U hardware.
Nintendo would have been smart to anounce a WiiU 3d version of Mario. Isn't that what everyon wants? On release date. Nintendo is gambling on the 2nd screen. kind of a gamble if you ask me. Not that they will not make any money. But if I were Nintendo I would release the WiiU with 3d mario. You would have kids and even mothers standing in line to buy it.
MadeInBeats
Banned
Well it's nothing concrete that points to it not being SB, unless you want to over analyse. At this point the obvious assumption is that it's SB but I guess we'll find out pretty soon
Twilight Princess sold nearly 6m units on the Wii... I really don't think your post makes any sense...
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