Wii U Speculation Thread 2: Can't take anymore of this!!!

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BY2K said:
Mark Rein basically just confirmed Unreal support for Wii U at the Annual Interactive Achievement Awards.
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Unreal what is the question. Depending on how you look at it the 3ds had a version of the Unreal Engine running at launch with Splinter Cell 3D or whatever the hell it was called.
 
StreetsAhead said:
Scaleable engines...vita will be supported...something something
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Until Epic comes out and says UE4 will be on the Wii U it would be foolish to be optimistic. Ubisoft had to make a custom version of Unreal 2 for RedSteel because Epic wouldnt touch it to help them.

If the Wii Doesnt reach the baseline for UE4 Epic is going to do nothing again and you will see the Wii U dry up again as Developers wont be assed to create the same game on 2 different engines.

As it stands UE3 is confirmed for Vita not 4
 
Jorok Goldblade said:
You'd be surprised by a lot of things about "That crowd." Nintendo had a lot of that crowd on the n64, thanks to Goldeneye. Turns out people who played a lot of Goldeney also had Mario Kart in their dorm multiplayer rotation. Some blindly dismiss Nintendo franchises as kiddy, others do so as a defense mechanism due to those games not being availabel on the platform they chose.
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The guys who play Mario Kart and Smash Bros. aren't the ones I'm referring to.
 
ozfunghi said:
Maybe nobody needs to switch. 8 year olds that got a Wii for christmass 6 years ago, are 14 year olds now. They will turn 20 in the coming console generation. Not losing customers might be just as important as winning them back.
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I imagine 14 year olds are just now thinking "Man I want an XBOX or a PlayStation" as the Wii is dead to them and they are likely not NeoGaf posters who follow the industry like rabid dogs. Hence, they don't really know much about Wii U. Most of what's been shown of the system is very casual friendly (Both games, and aesthetics)

If noone switches gens, then what will happen to Nintendo's market? It seems like both hardcore and casual Nintendo gamers are flagging, mainly due to no damned games. Casuals are more fickle and are probably moving to Kinect or their iOS devices. If noone who's "hardcore" at the moment switches, and the casuals start to go away, Nintendo can only grow their market from non gamers becoming new gamers. The casual part of this market is probably harder to get now due to iOS and Kinect and the potential hardcore gamer probably has more friends on XBOX, doesn't like the look of the Wii U, and thinks Nintendo is "kiddie".

Now I have no idea whether Nintendo cares or not about getting people to switch platforms, but they do want their core audience back (They've said it enough times) and I bet they don't want to lose all those lucrative casual gamers too. To get what they want is going to be a damned hard thing to do.



Lord Ghirahim said:
That phase doesn't last too long.
For healthy individuals.
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There's a lot of unhealthy people out there. I know quite a number of people who were new gamers in the XBox era and think of Nintendo as nothing but this casual game company that makes kiddie games. And these people are in their 30's.
 
ElTopo said:
3rd party logic. You have to "think" like them.

Example:"Why bother with Wii U, now that we can have the same (and more) features on a more powerful console by MS?"
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This also sounds like a reason why someone would support the PS2 successor and not bother with the Xbox successor.
 
The Wii U just won't catch a break.

"UE4 running on platforms including on ones we can't name."

"So everything (including iPad3 and iPhone5) except Wii U."

I'm getting tired of this crap. We don't know much (if at all) about the specs of the console and some just won't miss a chance to say it's not going to be powerful enough, if not completely left in the dust by the other 2.
 
BY2K said:
The Wii U just won't catch a break.

"UE4 running on platforms including on ones we can't name."

"So everything (including iPad3 and iPhone5) except Wii U."

I'm getting tired of this crap. We don't know much (if at all) about the specs of the console and some just won't miss a chance to say it's not going to be powerful enough, if not completely left in the dust by the other 2.
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I suggest you adopt a disposition of indifference. Does wonders for your sanity. :D

Anywho, I'm guessing that Nintendo's also been listening to Epic in terms of what they want from the hardware?
 
As I remember well, Wii U is running Cry Engine 3 and UE3 since mid of last year.
Epic said (M. Rein) that UE4 will be ready if next gen relasees.
Honestly I'm sure Mark Rein is not a dumb person at all.
So he for sure will take Wii U into the next gen pool (cos it is).
And why is he doing that???
IT MEANS MONEY SELLING HIS (imo overrated) ENGINE.

But honestly ppl should make Wii U specific engines which squeeze out everything of the console.
(HVS did a very good job on the Wii with their engine - so they should try again on Wii U)

EDIT: Even Carmack said that their new ID Tech 5 engine will run on WII U -> so I dont see UE4 not to be there where money can be made.
 
darthdago said:
As I remember well, Wii U is running Cry Engine 3 and UE3 since mid of last year.
Epic said (M. Rein) that UE4 will be ready if next gen relasees.
Honestly I'm sure Mark Rein is not a dumb person at all.
So he for sure will take Wii U into the next gen pool (cos it is).
And why is he doing that???
IT MEANS MONEY SELLING HIS (imo overrated) ENGINE.

But honestly ppl should make Wii U specific engines which squeeze out everything of the console.
(HVS did a very good job on the Wii with their engine - so they should try again on Wii U)

EDIT: Even Carmack said that their new ID Tech 5 engine will run on WII U -> so I dont see UE4 not to be there where money can be made.
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Nintendo will (And it'll be a part of the Wii U SDK package), third party publishers will not. Doesn't really make sense for middleware developers to develop Wii U specific engines, anyway. The performance benefits would honestly be pretty negligible. A scalable, multiplat engine with one click multi platform compiles is just so much more useful to so many more devs.
 
BY2K said:
The Wii U just won't catch a break.

"UE4 running on platforms including on ones we can't name."

"So everything (including iPad3 and iPhone5) except Wii U."

I'm getting tired of this crap. We don't know much (if at all) about the specs of the console and some just won't miss a chance to say it's not going to be powerful enough, if not completely left in the dust by the other 2.
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Where was this said?
 
Jarsonot said:
They're 14-year-olds that need to be told what's "cool." If their friends and television tells them that Nintendo is no longer "cool", they'll drop it like it's hot.

Not all teens, mind, but most are just way too image-conscious and worried about what others think. Plus they're trying to be adults already, and want to shy away from anything too "kiddy."

/opinion
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with the right line up there's zero reason why Wii U can't be cool.
 
onilink88 said:
I suggest you adopt a disposition of indifference. Does wonders for your sanity. :D
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Skepticism towards anything coming out of developers' mouths can be a good thing. With expectations low, you're sometimes pleasantly surprised.

And no.. I would not at all be surprised if some bullshit reason is invented for why UE4 will not work on Wii U. In fact, it would be a pretty good bellweather measurement.

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{edit: so he specifically said Wii U? Color me pleasantly surprised. :) }
 
TechPowerUp has seemingly found the specs for the HD7700 series of GPUs. Do the 640 SPUs on the HD7770 sound familiar?
Wii U will use a custom part and all, but still some interesting figures of what's possible with current tech
 
DCKing said:
Wii U will use a custom part and all, but still some interesting figures of what's possible with current tech
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True. 50-ish Watts get you in the vicinity of a TFLOP nowadays. I expect a similar metric for WiiU
but not GCN shader architecture
.
 
I'm confused now, the Epic confirmation was about Wii U running UE3, that was some time ago, there's no confirmation about Wii U running UE4 (?)
 
TunaLover said:
I'm confused now, the Epic confirmation was about Wii U running UE3, that was some time ago, there's no confirmation about Wii U running UE4 (?)
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From the other thread, it sounds like there's no.. real confirmation of WHAT Unreal Engine 4 is on.. just we'd hear more about it this year
 
Penguin said:
From the other thread, it sounds like there's no.. real confirmation of WHAT Unreal Engine 4 is on.. just we'd hear more about it this year
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We got it all wrong.

When he said "and others we can't mention by name yet" he was talking about the UE, which he specifically said the Wii U was running (as well as everything else). THEN he mentioned that they would be revealing the UE4 this year, but didn't specified any platforms whatsoever.
 
But...Mark Rein already said it himself!!!
UE4 will be on Nintendos next console and also give a hint for namechange!!

He stated like "...and plattforms we cant name yet..." (So Nintendo will rename the new console)
That and that UE4 should be out this year (and the money they can make with it) makes it clear for a support.

UE4=confirmed (imo)

EDIT: Namechange=confirmed
 
darthdago said:
But...Mark Rein already said it himself!!!
UE4 will be on Nintendos next console and also give a hint for namechange!!

He stated like "...and plattforms we cant name yet..." (So Nintendo will rename the new console)
That and that UE4 should be out this year (and the money they can make with it) makes it clear for a support.

UE4=confirmed (imo)

EDIT: Namechange=confirmed
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Sense. You don't make any.
 
BY2K said:
We got it all wrong.

When he said "and others we can't mention by name yet" he was talking about the UE, which he specifically said the Wii U was running (as well as everything else). THEN he mentioned that they would be revealing the UE4 this year, but didn't specified any platforms whatsoever.
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"We" didn't. But specialguy just couldn't miss the occasion so he took some shit reporting and ran with it for his.. special purposes. It all went downhill from there, after people noticed Mark "Ren" mentioning WiiU in the same sentence with 'some platforms we can't name yet'. Basically it was a case of spec.. erm, deaf leading the blind.
 
Ahaha, I doubt it's because nintendo are changing the name that he didn't mention it. He's talking about the NEXTBOX/iPad3 - but that doesn't mean UE4 won't be on the Wii U.
 
blu said:
True. 50-ish Watts get you in the vicinity of a TFLOP nowadays. I expect a similar metric for WiiU
but not GCN shader architecture
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I wanted to spoiler something too. I was feeling left out.

But yeah there seems to be more indications of them targeting 32nm so I don't really see GCN being made. But going from a 55nm part to a 32nm part should gain a pretty nice drop in TDP.

jacksrb said:
Dude! Playing even something like Wii Play shooting one person with two remotes was awesome. Also, playing as both players in House of the Dead Overkill was likewise fantastic!
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In the whole "revolution/evolution" process, I thought that would be the evolution. A nunchuk with Wiimote+ functionality. In first person shooters the nunchuck pointer would control the camera (point where you want to look) and the normal Wimote+ would be the gun. Dual pointers could have been the input to replace dual analog IMO. But noooo, we had to get dual circle pads. :/ But I understand the business decision behind it.
 
He didn't said anything about UE4 running on any specific platforms. He was talking about the Unreal Engine in general.
 
Well, considering a potential name change, I can, as I referenced in the thread CVG Rumor: Nintendo looking to change the name of the Wii U?, mention that Nintendo Co., Ltd. on the 11th of January 2012 received a "Suspension Letter". It regarded the "master application" for the Wii U trademark, and says that unless Nintendo provides a "true copy, a photocopy, a certification, or a certified copy of a foreign registration from applicant’s country of origin", they cannot do any action with the mark, and thus have only the option to abandon it. This was, as I wrote, on the 11th of January. I doubt it would take Nintendo almost a month to provide documents of this designation, even with coinciding earnings releases and other corporate briefings. So maybe they are currently discussing what they potentially could rename the system.

Source: http://tdr.uspto.gov/search.action?sn=85393173

I'm considering sending an inquiry to correspondent Jerald E. Nagae about this. It could also be favourable if someone attending GDC could ask Nintend of America about it (they're in booth CP2020). Well, at least if they haven't prior to the conference announced any change of plans. Do we have any GDC goers in this thread?

BY2K said:
He didn't said anything about UE4 running on any specific platforms. He was talking about the Unreal Engine in general.
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He said this (it starts 1:17:09):
Today the engine runs on PC, Mac, Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, iOS, Android, Nintendo Wii U, PlayStation Vita and even in web browsers using Flash... oh, and *laughter* some platforms we are not allowed to mention by name yet. Soon we'll be unveiling the amazing Unreal Engine 4.
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Source: http://www.gamespot.com/shows/gamespot-live/?event=interactive_achievement_awards20120209
 
I'm liking your detailed posts, Rösti. Thanks for the information there, very helpful.

I too, see a renaming likely, due to these reasons. It'd be nice if someone could pose this question to Nintendo or affiliated companies, in an attempt to get an answer. If there's even some hesitation or evasion, it's a good pointer that nintendo are considering a name change.
 
Rösti;35015443 said:
Well, considering a potential name change, I can, as I referenced in the thread CVG Rumor: Nintendo looking to change the name of the Wii U?, mention that Nintendo Co., Ltd. on the 11th of January 2012 received a "Suspension Letter". It regarded the "master application" for the Wii U trademark, and says that unless Nintendo provides a "true copy, a photocopy, a certification, or a certified copy of a foreign registration from applicant’s country of origin", they cannot do any action with the mark, and thus have only the option to abandon it. This was, as I wrote, on the 11th of January. I doubt it would take Nintendo almost a month to provide documents of this designation, even with coinciding earnings releases and other corporate briefings. So maybe they are currently discussing what they potentially could rename the system.

Source: http://tdr.uspto.gov/search.action?sn=85393173

I'm considering sending an inquiry to correspondent Jerald E. Nagae about this. It could also be favourable if something attending GDC could ask Nintend of America about it (they're in booth CP2020). Well, at least if they haven't prior to the conference announced any change of plans. Do we have any GDC goers in this thread?
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Wow, nice detective work. That's a huge indication we'll see a re-naming.
 
Is Iwata doing any keynote at this year's GDC? It would be the perfect opportunity to show more of the console without revealing as much as E3 obviously.
 
Rösti;35015443 said:
Well, considering a potential name change, I can, as I referenced in the thread CVG Rumor: Nintendo looking to change the name of the Wii U?, mention that Nintendo Co., Ltd. on the 11th of January 2012 received a "Suspension Letter". It regarded the "master application" for the Wii U trademark, and says that unless Nintendo provides a "true copy, a photocopy, a certification, or a certified copy of a foreign registration from applicant’s country of origin", they cannot do any action with the mark, and thus have only the option to abandon it. This was, as I wrote, on the 11th of January. I doubt it would take Nintendo almost a month to provide documents of this designation, even with coinciding earnings releases and other corporate briefings. So maybe they are currently discussing what they potentially could rename the system.

Source: http://tdr.uspto.gov/search.action?sn=85393173

I'm considering sending an inquiry to correspondent Jerald E. Nagae about this. It could also be favourable if someone attending GDC could ask Nintend of America about it (they're in booth CP2020). Well, at least if they haven't prior to the conference announced any change of plans. Do we have any GDC goers in this thread?
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Quite impressive, indeed! Thanks!
 
Honestly, the Nintendo U would fit well - drops the confusing Wii name, keeps the suffix of the aforementioned title and still portrays the concept of a system that gives the player what he/she wants - a system tailored to 'U'.

This way, they could differentiate the system from it's predecessor successfully, but maintain the hype they have gathered without compromising the public's knowledge of the console.

AND, titles such as Smash Bros. Universe would still work.
 
Ubermatik said:
Honestly, the Nintendo U would fit well - drops the confusing Wii name, keeps the suffix of the aforementioned title and still portrays the concept of a system that gives the player what he/she wants - a system tailored to 'U'.

This way, they could differentiate the system from it's predecessor successfully, but maintain the hype they have gathered without compromising the public's knowledge of the console.

AND, titles such as Smash Bros. Universe would still work.
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I really can't imagine them dropping the "Wii" name at this point. Wii 2 or Super Wii. Both are very boring and straightforward. They both denote a new system and not just an add-on.

I would have thought Wii Touch would be a good name, but it sounds like an add-on.
 
Bisnic said:
Is Iwata doing any keynote at this year's GDC? It would be the perfect opportunity to show more of the console without revealing as much as E3 obviously.
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There will be no major keynotes at GDC this year, instead there will be track keynotes. I refer to an earlier post I made about this: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=34856140&postcount=4908

Nintendo has booked a large booth however (larger than they had last year): http://www.gdconf.com/pdf/floorplans/GDC_2012_FloorPlan_02_08_2012.pdf

They have a smaller booth in the business section as well. Oh, and thanks for the feedback on my posts to whom it may concern.
 
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