Wii U Speculation Thread 2: Can't take anymore of this!!!

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Luigison said:
Doing a little catching up on this thread. Sorry to derail/callback, but this is awesome.



Day one.
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So spicy! I have to comment on it every time I see that beautiful thing...


I really hope the do end up releasing in several colors.
 
I think MadWorld is probably the only 3rd party Wii game that might have sold better on the HD platforms (that game was divisive but I loved it).

But I think the general issue is that western developers have never had much experience or presence on Nintendo platforms. You don't see Japanese publishers complaining about their titles not doing well on Nintendo hardware. Maybe it's just a difference in development ideologies.
 
RedSwirl said:
I think MadWorld is probably the only 3rd party Wii game that might have sold better on the HD platforms (that game was divisive but I loved it).

But I think the general issue is that western developers have never had much experience or presence on Nintendo platforms. You don't see Japanese publishers complaining about their titles not doing well on Nintendo hardware. Maybe it's just a difference in development ideologies.
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Madworld came out on other platforms besides the Wii? News to me.
 
RedSwirl said:
I think MadWorld is probably the only 3rd party Wii game that might have sold better on the HD platforms (that game was divisive but I loved it).

But I think the general issue is that western developers have never had much experience or presence on Nintendo platforms. You don't see Japanese publishers complaining about their titles not doing well on Nintendo hardware. Maybe it's just a difference in development ideologies.
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I also think one of the issues might be networking. Sometimes I get the feeling that Nintendo plays their cards a little too close to their chest. Not just with consumers, but with the development community. Particularly the West.

But they've been going after a lot of Western talent gearing up for next gen, so maybe they're changing that.
 
RedSwirl said:
I think MadWorld is probably the only 3rd party Wii game that might have sold better on the HD platforms (that game was divisive but I loved it).

But I think the general issue is that western developers have never had much experience or presence on Nintendo platforms. You don't see Japanese publishers complaining about their titles not doing well on Nintendo hardware. Maybe it's just a difference in development ideologies.
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It sold better than Vanquish...
So I really really really doubt that.
 
I think the reasons why people think that hard core games didn't sell well on Wii is:
a. leading hard core developers want to push the gameplay and technological envelope, which was impossible on wii
b. the best 3rd party games (for the most part) this gen were either unavailable or inferior on Wii
c. the absence of those games helped drive the demographic for wii sales

EDIT: On topic, I hope that won't be as much the case this gen, or at least the Wii U ports will be close to the other console versions
 
jacksrb said:
I think the reasons why people think that hard core games didn't sell well on Wii is:
a. leading hard core developers want to push the gameplay and technological envelope, which was impossible on wii
b. the best 3rd party games (for the most part) this gen were either unavailable or inferior on Wii
c. the absence of those games helped drive the demographic for wii sales
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I agree with all but C.
 
Platinum makes good games.
But they're niche as hell, and don't exactly have giant marketing budget.
It's amazing that Sega gave them as much as they are, really.
 
ANYWAY. I just think that western developers are sort of at a loss for how to make and market their games on Nintendo hardware. The only ones that even try are the big publishers who make their in-house games multiplatform anyway. You never see Square Enix, Namco, Capcom, Sega, or Konami complaining about not being successful on Nintendo hardware except for back in the N64 days when Yamauchi's policies pissed them all off.

It'll be interesting to see how those publishers' more independent studios operate based on their owners' perspectives on the Wii-U. Will EA and Take Two try to encourage BioWare, Rockstar, Irrational, 2K, and Visceral to make Wii-U versions of their games? The one company I think Nintendo needs to court more than any other is Epic.
 
RedSwirl said:
ANYWAY. I just think that western developers are sort of at a loss for how to make and market their games on Nintendo hardware. The only ones that even try are the big publishers who make their in-house games multiplatform anyway. You never see Square Enix, Namco, Capcom, Sega, or Konami complaining about not being successful on Nintendo hardware except for back in the N64 days when Yamauchi's policies pissed them all off.

It'll be interesting to see how those publishers' more independent studios operate based on their owners' perspectives on the Wii-U. Will EA and Take Two try to encourage BioWare, Rockstar, Irrational, 2K, and Visceral to make Wii-U versions of their games? The one company I think Nintendo needs to court more than any other is Epic.
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To be fair, many of them treat its like a girl and they are a 12 year old boy...

I mean its really mostly in their head.
I don't think there has ever really been evidence that people won't buy other games on Nintendo consoles.
Even with inferior graphics and online, most of the Call of Duty titles can still push a million on the system. Granted much smaller piece of the pie than the 360 or PS3, but its something.
 
Postman said:
If the user base/hardware is there western devs will port everything.
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But it isn't just gonna appear there out of thin air. Some games have to be there first. At the very least a couple good western-oriented launch games have to be there. I have a feeling Ubisoft will be almost the only publisher offering that, and I'm not confident in their abilities with launch software on Nintendo platforms.
 
It's all in perception. And right now Nintendo hardware is not seen as a proper venue for "hardcore" and "complex" gaming experiences.

Nintendo fans know this is false. But Nintendo has to do the work convincing developers that there's money to be made by dedicating AAA teams and large budgets to games on Nintendo hardware. Cultivate the audience and then advertise it. Then the games will come.
 
RedSwirl said:
But it isn't just gonna appear there out of thin air. Some games have to be there first. At the very least a couple good western-oriented launch games have to be there. I have a feeling Ubisoft will be almost the only publisher offering that, and I'm not confident in their abilities with launch software on Nintendo platforms.
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You say nintendo platforms as if somehow every nintendo console in history had some sort of problem?

The n64 was probably the weakest nintendo 3rd party launch ever. All the others wher enot bad at all.
 
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The novelty of posting wore off really fast. Just seeing this up here is making me ill so I'm removing it.
 
Penguin said:
To be fair, many of them treat its like a girl and they are a 12 year old boy...

I mean its really mostly in their head.
I don't think there has ever really been evidence that people won't buy other games on Nintendo consoles.
Even with inferior graphics and online, most of the Call of Duty titles can still push a million on the system. Granted much smaller piece of the pie than the 360 or PS3, but its something.
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All it would really take to reverse this feeling would be one or two big western successes on a Nintendo platform, but I don't see how that would happen outside of Nintendo actually publishing such a game for an outside developer, similar to the relationship between Microsoft and Epic with Gears of War.
 
RedSwirl said:
I think MadWorld is probably the only 3rd party Wii game that might have sold better on the HD platforms (that game was divisive but I loved it).

But I think the general issue is that western developers have never had much experience or presence on Nintendo platforms. You don't see Japanese publishers complaining about their titles not doing well on Nintendo hardware. Maybe it's just a difference in development ideologies.
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Nah Mad World is such a niche title that it wouldn't have sold better on the other platforms. Such oddities have better chances on Nintendo platforms as have been proven by No More Heroes and Killer 7. Just the fact that it's in black and white would put off alot of the COD generation.
 
Postman said:
You say nintendo platforms as if somehow every nintendo console in history had some sort of problem?

The n64 was probably the weakest nintendo 3rd party launch ever. All the others wher enot bad at all.
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They have since the N64. The Gamecube did have better third party support - particularly in the form of Japanese games and multiplatform titles from the big western publishers (EA, Ubisoft, etc.), but many of the other ones eventually dropped support for the platform. Those western companies have had little-to-no idea what to do with the Wii.
 
Box said:
My word! My account finally got validated! For a while I thought the Wii U was going to release before I was able to post.

You know, I was watching this site for so long that I was almost at the point where I was already sick of being here before I even made a single post. This place still does make me feel kinda sick, but the first post is like a breath of fresh air.

Anyway, I've been watching this thread since not long after the Wii U was announced, and I forget most of the stuff I was actually going to say from back then. So instead, I'm just going to say you guys need to chill out. So much worrying about power, and 3rd party support, and online, and this that and the other. Chill out. It'll deliver. The only way it won't deliver is if you get hung up on your checklists. Nintendo is always doing something you're not thinking of so not having expectations is the best way to go. And that doesn't mean be pessimistic, either. Just go with what's on the table and don't worry if the media is reporting stuff you don't agree with.

Also, don't get greedy. Lots of people want 3rd party exclusives but that's just denying other people a game. Wii U doesn't need exclusives. It just needs games. The only benefit to playing an exclusive game is in your head. I want games. They don't need to be exclusive.

Also, stop suggesting/hoping for Mother 4. The series is concluded. And it wouldn't be the same without Itoi. Someone 10,000 posts back recommended that Retro work on Mother 4 so now I'm saying to whoever that was, no.

That's all. I'm not trying to be patronizing. I've just been watching you all slowly get more and more hyper I'm worried you're going to explode. It's like you're all BurntPork now, no offense if he still exists.


tl;dr Hi, what's up?
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I don't think anyone is actually all that worried.
More that, this is a discussion thread, so we discuss things that are on our mind.
:P

Anyway, welcome to GAF!

RedSwirl said:
They have since the N64. The Gamecube did have better third party support - particularly in the form of Japanese games and multiplatform titles from the big western publishers (EA, Ubisoft, etc.), but many of the other ones eventually dropped support for the platform. Those western companies have had little-to-no idea what to do with the Wii.
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Which is stupid, because they didn't have to do anything special with the Wii.
Make good games and market them properly.
Tada!
 
Instro said:
I dont think that's the case. Sega reported it had sold 1.3m or so in their financial statements last year iirc. I'll have to take a look for it.
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A lot of companies report sold, which means sold to retailers.
Actual sell through is usually quite a bit less.
 
AceBandage said:
A lot of companies report sold, which means sold to retailers.
Actual sell through is usually quite a bit less.
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Ah thats right nevermind then.

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Although I'd imagine it probably sold around that amount given that its been priced fairly cheaply for quite a while.
 
RedSwirl said:
All it would really take to reverse this feeling would be one or two big western successes on a Nintendo platform, but I don't see how that would happen outside of Nintendo actually publishing such a game for an outside developer, similar to the relationship between Microsoft and Epic with Gears of War.
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Even then, I think it would be seen as a fluke. I mean the game wasn't the greatest but Red Steel surpassed sales of a million unit.

First person shooter, Western Developed. And people ignored it. (Yes, I realize part of it is the launch game bump but still)

I do think Nintendo needs to push forth in that avenue though. They had some decent ideas with the Cube with games like Eternal Darkness, Geist and the Metal Gear remake, but they seemed to have given up that path with the Wii.

And yes.. probably one of the few people who would want to see a Geist sequel, but it was surprisingly refreshing for an FPS.
 
Instro said:
Ah thats right nevermind then.

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Although I'd imagine it probably sold around that amount given that its been priced fairly cheaply for quite a while.
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Right, a lot of stores clearanced it out a while ago.
Which means they'll probably order less of Anarchy Reigns...
 
Anarchy Reigns seems like a low seller either way. I have no idea how Platinum Games is surviving at this point. Vanquish was pretty much a disaster. Hopefully Revengeance does well, I imagine the funding they are getting from that game is keeping them afloat.
 
PG has pedigree and connections.
That's how they stay afloat.
Even if their games don't do amazingly, they do well enough and they get attention.
 
clemenx said:
I may be the only one but I love that color. I had a black cube but that color of controller is the main one I used.
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:brofist: It was my preferred color until my brother moved out and took his orange controller, then I defaulted to black as this was well after you could locally buy a spice orange controller. Sad times, but I goddamn love that color.

I hope they redesign the Wii U. It looks so sterile and poorly inconspicuous. Even in the orange, which should be impossible! If they just give it a more square appearance and a better color scheme I'd be happy. It's hard to believe that they went from the DSi and even the 3DS and Wii to the Wii U.

Is there big news or insider leaks/rumor, excluding the Q&A? Only recently validated and haven't kept up. Fun reading, though, and I feel obliged to thank you guys for all the explanations and in-depth posts in the last thread, so thanks.
 
alazz said:
:brofist: It was my preferred color until my brother moved out and took his orange controller, then I defaulted to black as this was well after you could locally buy a spice orange controller. Sad times, but I goddamn love that color.

I hope they redesign the Wii U. It looks so sterile and poorly inconspicuous. Even in the orange, which should be impossible! If they just give it a more square appearance and a better color scheme I'd be happy. It's hard to believe that they went from the DSi and even the 3DS and Wii to the Wii U.

Is there big news or insider leaks/rumor, excluding the Q&A? Only recently validated and haven't kept up. Fun reading, though, and I feel obliged to thank you guys for all the explanations and in-depth posts in the last thread, so thanks.
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IGN and other sources say it's about 5X more powerful than the 360.
 
Why don't we get two tone consoles? Is it a cost thing, or a design thing?

I love the see the Wii U with some sort of color scheme (black and white, white and blue, or whatever).
 
So in regards to the NN having multiple accounts per console, is there any chance of having region-free shops or at least one that is based on the country of your account?
 
AceBandage said:
No.
Not a chance in all the hells of all the worlds.
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Why not? :(
I was incredibly happy after finding out recently that I can access the JP Xbox Marketplace, so perhaps something similar could be done for the Wii U.

EDIT: OK there's no chance for region-free, but maybe for bypass options.
 
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