You know, given how quite things are, I think the ninjas got overexcited and killed Iwata himself.
"Oh no! Man with luscious hair and ultimate bear control skills might leak information! Kill!"
Wii U Speculation Thread 2: Can't take anymore of this!!!
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You know, given how quite things are, I think the ninjas got overexcited and killed Iwata himself.
"Oh no! Man with luscious hair and ultimate bear control skills might leak information! Kill!"
Gianni Merryman
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In the Unreal 3 GDC thread there's a couple seconds footage from Aliens for WiiU; the video on Youtube is not good quality, still it's allegedly first footage of an actual WiiU game!
Edit: Beaten!
Edit: Beaten!
Nintendo put out a Wii U sizzle real of no Wii U footage. I find that more likely than if they would allow the very first video of an actual game on its hardware to be snuck into an unrelated promo like this one or that Epic wouldn't be sensitive to the desire for secrecy.
The same scenes are in the previous trailers, but they aren't exactly the same. Different angles, gun, background, etc.. That doesn't mean that its actual Wii U footage. I can't see any real technical difference between these clips and those from the PC trailer. These could just as well be PC clips that were left on the editor's floor.
Rösti;35820341 said:
So.. I'm home from a loooong work day, and this is one of the more notable things I've seen today.
To be clear, I couldn't care less about what Sachter and those like him think. I'm more interested in that last part from the anonymous developer..
Is anyone else getting an eerie sense from this quote? Is the developer really suggesting that, despite aggressive courtship, third parties will ignore Nintendo's advances and we'll see another Nintendo console carried by first-party titles? Or am I reading too much into it?
-Pyromaniac-
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ORLY it's on Nintendo to make this succeed. I knew that without hearing anyone at GDC.
Rösti;35820341 said:
Yeah.. it's the "good ambition on their part, but.. it's Nintendo" part that hangs me up.
StreetsAhead
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-Pyromaniac-
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even though it's stupid, it's hard to deny that they have this natural negative stigma from some devs/analysts/whoever out there.
bgassassin
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Nintendo ninjas are like Robocop. They have prime directives subliminally implemented to keep that from happening.
-Pyromaniac-
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Nintendo has no ninjas. 3rd parties aren't leaking anything because they aren't working on anything worth mentioning. Nintendo isn't mentioning any games because they aren't working on anything coming out within the next 2 years. 01net has stopped leaking things because they don't want to depress people with the horrible news they've uncovered.
It's over guys. It's all over.
It's over guys. It's all over.
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Well it doesn't really mean much for big publishers and developers but for small independant developers this would be a huge boon.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I love how that developer is saying it's all on Nintendo as from where I see it, they are going far beyond in aiding third parties, especially with these middleware tools which I guess is not common from a big game company.
Just make games for the system, scaredy cat third parties, no more excuses.
At least not for a while.
Just make games for the system, scaredy cat third parties, no more excuses.
At least not for a while.
Cow Mengde
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Serious question, are you guys new to Nintendo/the way Nintendo does things?
I remember Nintendo being super secretive as far back as the N64 days. I don't know about SNES since I didn't own Nintendo Power back then, but when it came to the N64, it was nothing but teases and speculation. We knew about the system around the time DKC was unveiled and only until early 1996 did we see screen shots of what the system looked like and the games shortly after.
With the Gamecube, same shit. Sony was throwing one tech spec and demo after another while Nintendo remained completely silent. We didn't know anything until around a year near release.
The Wii... my god the amount of random speculation and hype over the controller or what the graphics looked like. Everyone and their mom claimed to have leaks but none of them were true.
Wii U is just a repeat of how Nintendo always does things. Ultra secretive and mysterious. I'm actually shocked they revealed the controller well over a year in advance. That's like more information than all the previous 3 examples combined.
I remember Nintendo being super secretive as far back as the N64 days. I don't know about SNES since I didn't own Nintendo Power back then, but when it came to the N64, it was nothing but teases and speculation. We knew about the system around the time DKC was unveiled and only until early 1996 did we see screen shots of what the system looked like and the games shortly after.
With the Gamecube, same shit. Sony was throwing one tech spec and demo after another while Nintendo remained completely silent. We didn't know anything until around a year near release.
The Wii... my god the amount of random speculation and hype over the controller or what the graphics looked like. Everyone and their mom claimed to have leaks but none of them were true.
Wii U is just a repeat of how Nintendo always does things. Ultra secretive and mysterious. I'm actually shocked they revealed the controller well over a year in advance. That's like more information than all the previous 3 examples combined.
Yeah it was a very strange comment and it'd be nice to hear more. Nintendo seem to be doing quite a lot, and regardless, I would like to suggest that maybe, just maybe it's up to devs to actually put their games on it in order for them to make money and make the console successful.
Based on what we've heard so far regarding Nintendo's positive attempts to work with developers, if this generation turns out to be a typical "Nintendo hate 3rd parties!" diatribe from said 3rd parties, they can go screw themselves. I'll go buy a NES, SNES and N64 to add to my 'Cube, Wii and Wii U and Gameboy Colour and lock myself away in a room and play Nintendo titles forever.
AceBandage
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TheGreatMightyPoo
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The people here are just hungry and some may seem like Nintendo owes it to them to throw them a bone here or there.
They're likely not worried Nintendo is hurting themselves by holding out even if they say that, they just want the goods.
Nintendo will always do things their own way and on their own schedule like you seemed to state.
They're a unique company in that regard and it usually reasults in a big impact(often bigger than the others) when it all comes to a head so they must be doing something right all these years.
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you just admitted that the WiiU is the exception, so anything can happen. We got accurate leaks for that well in advance, and then Nintendo revealed it early, and then we got megatons in an investors briefing. ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN this time.
AceBandage
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Seriously, expecting Nintendo to not be Nintendo is madness.
They'll do what they like when they like it.
They don't bow to anyone's scheduled or idea of what "should be".
The best you can hope for is mutual acceptance from them.
And you know what? That's a big reason why they continue to thrive and continue to make such amazing games.
Instead of just pandering to a specific audience, they make games for themselves. It might not work 100% of the time, but when it does, it's a sight to behold.
They'll do what they like when they like it.
They don't bow to anyone's scheduled or idea of what "should be".
The best you can hope for is mutual acceptance from them.
And you know what? That's a big reason why they continue to thrive and continue to make such amazing games.
Instead of just pandering to a specific audience, they make games for themselves. It might not work 100% of the time, but when it does, it's a sight to behold.
In one way, I agree that it does seem awfully uncharacteristic of them to give away one of the defining features of their console. But I'm not sure if this was intentional or part of investor pressure to reveal "something" at last year's E3.
Unfortunately for some people, they believe it is time for Nintendo to "catch up with everyone else". "Welcome to 2006!" "Why don't you guys have achievements?" "Will Nintendo network be like PSN? Not that it matters because I don't fucking care about their online."
-Pyromaniac-
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they are like apple-lite
Not quite exactly like Apple. In fact, people deried them for not being like Apple.
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I did say lite! Referring to the way they operate, as in not giving a shit what anyone thinks or says and just doing what they want.
Except Apple gets the most developer support
AceBandage
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They are two sides of the same coin.
Apple is about invading every aspect of everything through ease of use.
Nintendo is about being very selective about what they control through ease of use.
From a distance, they are very similar.
But when you actually look at their business philosophies, they are worlds apart.
Tell that to the OP.
If this thread gives us a moderately remote idea of what the system will be like then I'm all for guessing games.
AceBandage
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I think Nintendo, if they could, would be glad to invade more areas of people's lives. That's the whole reason to make a tablet controller and speaking with content providers. I mean even their WiiU commercial showed a whole family with their wiiU tablet in the centre of the table.
I think they'd like to, but they know their limits (for the time being).
bgassassin
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I reached that point some time ago. At some point, the excuses get old. Thank goodness, I love old games, and I love re-visiting them from time to time. Since there's a 25+ years library available, there's no shortage of good gaming to be had.
I kinda wonder who that developer was.
There's something in the back of my mind bugging me: that guy who bad-mouthed all of Japan's developers? He was applauded. And I suspect that there are others who embrace this "west-rules, east-drools" mentality - but they had the mental & social awareness to not applaud this out in public.
Judging from the reaction thread, there's a sizeable percentage of the gaming population that likes this sentiment. So I wonder honestly if some image-cultivating developers, wanting to appeal to their audiences, just don't want to be associated with Nintendo. And so, instead of "Nintendo sucks" headliner-type quotes, we see the more diplomatic, "but.. it's Nintendo." Then, their fans get to laugh when BigTitle13 is announced for PS360/PC/NokiaCellphones, and more street cred is earned. We've all seen the reaction when a decent game is announced for the Wii by a third party: it should've been on those consoles..
"But what about Sony?" you'll ask.
Sony, unlike Nintendo, seems to have succeeded in cultivating a cross-cultural identitiy among many consumers. I can see marketing folks grouping them with Ford, Coca-Cola, etc. They've broken out of that Japanese-y mold. Nintendo, in contrast, sometimes revels in its cultural identity.. check-out the "Wii Would Like to Play" commercials for one good instance. Sony seems to have western tastes in its sights, again, in contrast with Nintendo.
Maybe I'm overthinking this, just aloud, and here on the forum. The dots are there (I think?), but connecting them into a cohesive treatise is difficult for me right now.
Nope, already have the third one ready to go.
why though? what is the point? various people complaining to mods about all these speculation threads...
AceBandage
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Nintendo is in a battle for time. Not for an overall encompassing of people's lives.
They want you to spend as much time playing their games as you do watching TV or surfing the internet.
The tablet controller is for familiarity. Tablets are big and easy to use.
The content providers (Comcast, Hulu, Netflix, ect) are to get you to go to your console first, rather than you PC.
If you're using their system, you are more likely to be playing games on it.
They, unlike Apple, don't want to become your phone or your PC or even your TV. They just want to become the device that you use more often.
As opposed to them complaining about people bumping a dozen topics speculating and discussing it?
I don't see what the problem is. And who is complaining? And why? It makes no sense. Is this topic really so distracting?
Definitely Apple-Lite
But then, going by that, everyone is.I think Nintendo and Apple do have lots in common. Both of them want to use their skills and talent to find a way to do things that others don't. In doing so they become household names and make loads of cash.
DefectiveReject
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why would anyone complain about one thread?
You don't have to come in here.... I suppose I could make some threads asking if you think my granny should be worried the iPad is going to overpower her???
You don't have to come in here.... I suppose I could make some threads asking if you think my granny should be worried the iPad is going to overpower her???
tkscz
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-Pyromaniac-
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And to me fighting for consumers time is the same thing as invading people's lives. The more time they use your shit = the more nintendo is part of their lives. Apple is no different. They are just more ambitious/have more means than Nintendo. Apple is fighting for time. And they are gaining that time by making phones, PCs, music players, smartphones, tablets. They have your time at home, on the go, at work, etc...
I think they're going after the same things. Nintendo is just doing it at a smaller scale. But if they had the means and potential for success to expand I think they'd do it. They've probably talked about it behind closed doors, something like making a phone, but they've probably rejected it because it's not feasible.
But yeah they're obviously similar in philosophy to me. They both are doing what they think is right, and what they think people are interested in, and what they're interested in, rather than giving into the rabid media/nerds on the internet/etc...
AceBandage
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I'm sure that eventually they'll enter phones (more out of need than anything), but they'll do it in a unique way that will make you go "Huh... really?"
Classic Nintendo.
I'm with you, I think they are both striving for time because life is all about time. If you use Apple computers, phones, music players, media centres, and gaming machines they dominate your time and you're more likely to stay with their products (Assuming they work and are good).
Apple are just so huge because they thought outside the box and took a great risk in an emerging market when they moved into music players. They saw how they could do it differently. This is how I think Nintendo thought with Wii and it paid off, until the momentum dropped.
Nintendo are in a harder position too because they live on a 5 year lifecycle unlike Apple's products which are essentially annual. Apple can hype up the next product before the old one is boring and so long as you maintain backwards compatibility you're OK. Whereas the console industry works to 5-6 year hardware cycles and can only sell new games (OK, occasionally a new peripheral like Kinect).
In fact the console makers spend their time pushing using games as it's primary "selling point" but Apple sell and hype the hardware and let the games come to it.
Well... it's Nintendo.
AceBandage
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Well, that is what Nintendo did with the Wii.
They sold a box of experiences, rather than any single game.
Problem was that they had far more competition than Apple did at the time.
bgassassin
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Anasui Kishibe
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people were really expecting WiiU info three months from E3 where it will have its official unveiling?
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but we did get info before E3...we got a lot of their online details.
bgassassin
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The problem is Reggie said there would be more info before E3, so people are left to assume/believe that could happen at any time. And GDC seemed like a candidate for at least some info to come out.
Absolutely and it paid off in spades for them as I said. The thing is they couldn't/wouldn't capitalise on it.
I admit that they do have a much harder time though because gaming consoles aren't generally considered a lifestyle device. Apple can sell their systems as part of one's non-gaming lifestyle and once they are in, they become necessities and then consumers will use it for more things. Technology has got to the point where convergence is actually practical and Apple saw that and went full steam ahead. That's much harder for gaming I think.
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