Wii U Speculation thread IV: Photoshop rumors and image memes
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Kacho
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Now this thread is going places.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Final Fantasy XIII for 360 was at that e3 though which was enormous at the time.
bgassassin
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GameplayWhore
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I think they're talking about Li Mu Bai from the Beyond3D Forum, a fellow who claims to have Wii U information and is spreading it piecemeal, just like our favourite teasemonkey in this here thread.
Honestly, it ain't like that. I don't keep up with sales-age so Phisheeps post kinda blew my mind.
Yeah, I guess UBI must've made out like bandits on the Wii. Really interesting to read that the Wii attach rate was actually higher than the other consoles. I'm staggered.
BlueSummers
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I am looking forward to the 3rd Party games more than what Nintendo has to offer with the two confirmed
seriously I am feeling no hype right now
Things are too quiet. I think I should have ignored these threads after all this time of expecting negative things about the WiiU's low power and only people talking about what games are not coming to WiiU it is kinda hard to gage what Nintendo E3 will really feel like when we finally get to that day
MarioMii = meh
Pikmin 3 = should have been a Wii Game 2 years ago
meh meh meh
I am more excited about WiiU sports at this point
I agree that Pikmin 3 is coming out a little too late, but all the signs point that waiting for HD and touch controls will make this the best one yet. Miyamoto also said in a previous quote that he's really having fun making it. Miyamoto having fun=fun for us!
bgassassin
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But to be honest/fair, when you get the info piecemeal that's the only way you can share it if you choose to.
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
So far as I remember (and I can't be bothered to rake over the old figures), it was a relatively small amount - certainly from several years in when the monthly hardware sales were dwarfed by the existing install base. The averages for each console were about one game purchased per console each two-end-a-bit months - taking Wii sports out made something like a 5-day difference - which is nearly nothing.
Of course, and there are two reasons for that even though that rate of game sales per hardware unit was about the same.
First that Microsoft has massively weaker 1st party than Nintendo. Secondly that X360 games cost 50% more, so if you count revenue instead of units it is bound to come out bigger. That doesn't make X360 any more of a software beast though, just makes it more expensive.
The 'software beast' claims for X360 were entirely based on (a) the price differential and (b) the years advantage in install base that shows up when you measure 'attach rate' rather than 'purchase rate'.
Here's a prediction: Since WiiU is coming out first, watch Microsoft make much less play of 'attach rate' this coming generation.
I think this is something different entirely - it is probably down to the people that we know. I'm an old guy with a family and all the Wii's that I know were the prime family machines, plugged into the main TV and had games bought for them by all the family - different games for different people and some for everyone to enjoy. Any PS360s in the house were in somebody's bedroom.
I'm guessing my friends must be more typical of the mass Wii audience than yours are.
Plus it's more fun and avoids causing an explosion of attention all at once.
What's he going to say? "Bro, this Pikmin 3 is busting my balls! And fucking Iwata with his pressuring, Nazi shit - all up in my ass like cornbread and yeast."
If someone feels like digging through the FCC, CE or whatever databases, here's a list of all known Wii U components:
CAT-DEV-V1 (Nintendo)
CAT-DEV-V2 (Nintendo)
CAT-DEV-V2W (Nintendo)
CAT-DEV-V4 (Nintendo)
CAT-DEV-V4W (Nintendo)
CAT-DEV-V42 (Nintendo)
DK-DEV-V5 (Nintendo)
MIC-A (Hon Hai/ Foxconn)
MIC-A2 (Hon Hai/ Foxconn; FCCID MCLMICA2)
MIC-B (Hon Hai/ Foxconn; FCCID MCLMICB)
WIN-A1 (Hon Hai/ Foxconn; FCCID MCLWINA1)
WIN-B1 (Hon Hai/ Foxconn)
WIN-A2 (Hon Hai/ Foxconn; FCCID MCLWINA2)
WIN-B3 (Hon Hai/ Foxconn; FCCID MCLWINB3)
WUT-002 (Sanshin; seems Wii U related)
WUT-003 (Sanshin; seems Wii U related)
FCC grantee codes:
Nintendo: BKE
Hon Hai: MCL
Mitsumi: EW4, POO (no idea if Mitsumi is involved, though)
CAT-DEV-V1 (Nintendo)
CAT-DEV-V2 (Nintendo)
CAT-DEV-V2W (Nintendo)
CAT-DEV-V4 (Nintendo)
CAT-DEV-V4W (Nintendo)
CAT-DEV-V42 (Nintendo)
DK-DEV-V5 (Nintendo)
MIC-A (Hon Hai/ Foxconn)
MIC-A2 (Hon Hai/ Foxconn; FCCID MCLMICA2)
MIC-B (Hon Hai/ Foxconn; FCCID MCLMICB)
WIN-A1 (Hon Hai/ Foxconn; FCCID MCLWINA1)
WIN-B1 (Hon Hai/ Foxconn)
WIN-A2 (Hon Hai/ Foxconn; FCCID MCLWINA2)
WIN-B3 (Hon Hai/ Foxconn; FCCID MCLWINB3)
WUT-002 (Sanshin; seems Wii U related)
WUT-003 (Sanshin; seems Wii U related)
FCC grantee codes:
Nintendo: BKE
Hon Hai: MCL
Mitsumi: EW4, POO (no idea if Mitsumi is involved, though)
Great post here. I agree completely, WiiWare was very weak, it did have some gems in there but the service was horrible. The Eshop is already miles better.
Disorientator
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-Pyromaniac-
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seems like something rosti should do
bgassassin
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^ Same thing I was thinking Pyro.
And nice post Boris.
I don't know if I would say it's more fun. I'd much rather know everything and share it so people wouldn't get caught up with rumors that seem to contradict each other. And from there after the initial explosion of attention, people would move on to different discussion.
And nice post Boris.
I don't know if I would say it's more fun. I'd much rather know everything and share it so people wouldn't get caught up with rumors that seem to contradict each other. And from there after the initial explosion of attention, people would move on to different discussion.
Father_Brain
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Another HD multiplatform game, the Bamco-published/Digital Extremes-developed Star Trek title, is neither confirmed nor denied for Wii U:
It's a Q1 2013 title, so it certainly should be appearing on Wii U (as should any HD multiplatform title scheduled for Q4 of this year or later), but we'll just have to see how things are actually shaping up at E3.
It's a Q1 2013 title, so it certainly should be appearing on Wii U (as should any HD multiplatform title scheduled for Q4 of this year or later), but we'll just have to see how things are actually shaping up at E3.
I'm still catching up, so sorry if allready answered....I only have to answer because my heart is paining.
1st - THE WII (also PS360) IS A TOY, A TOY, A TOY, A TOY, A TOY, A TOY, A TOY
Please everyone get that in your brains!!
2nd - How can you offend Trent Oster?
I allways thought that you guys are cooled down and not like these extreme fanboys (doesnt matter here from which company).
3rd - Some of you complain about a childish behavior of this developer (who also made the original game /was part of the team).
You complain about his behavior or words that he used, but he has not attacked someone nor has he offended someone, he only made his point.
But some of you guys really reacted like babies...not good at all.
Maybe Trent was really pissed about something and only wrote something before thinking about it twice.
And?
Where's the problem?
If you want to ever change reactions like that from Trent or any other developer, then dont react like babies which will bring them in blocking mode directly.
Talk normal and educated and you will get better results and can possibly change minds.
BTW Baldurs Gate is a RPG that would fit really nice on Wii U and I would love to see it there.
@Ideaman:
Great info about the Space Quest guys!!!
I would love to see that again, even Police Quest or Kings Quest would be welcome...
1st - THE WII (also PS360) IS A TOY, A TOY, A TOY, A TOY, A TOY, A TOY, A TOY
Please everyone get that in your brains!!
2nd - How can you offend Trent Oster?
I allways thought that you guys are cooled down and not like these extreme fanboys (doesnt matter here from which company).
3rd - Some of you complain about a childish behavior of this developer (who also made the original game /was part of the team).
You complain about his behavior or words that he used, but he has not attacked someone nor has he offended someone, he only made his point.
But some of you guys really reacted like babies...not good at all.
Maybe Trent was really pissed about something and only wrote something before thinking about it twice.
And?
Where's the problem?
If you want to ever change reactions like that from Trent or any other developer, then dont react like babies which will bring them in blocking mode directly.
Talk normal and educated and you will get better results and can possibly change minds.
BTW Baldurs Gate is a RPG that would fit really nice on Wii U and I would love to see it there.
@Ideaman:
Great info about the Space Quest guys!!!
I would love to see that again, even Police Quest or Kings Quest would be welcome...
Nobody reacted like babies, he had a very childish comment and was called for...
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
If the B3D poster is real, I look forward to Wii U surprising some people at E3. Should be fun.
Also want to see that new Xbox if they're really that much more powerful than the other two. With the new Kinect, that thing has the possibility of being another $499/$599 scenario.
Also want to see that new Xbox if they're really that much more powerful than the other two. With the new Kinect, that thing has the possibility of being another $499/$599 scenario.
GameplayWhore
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Weird thing is that I don't remember this. I recall it being consistently higher than the PS3 for a long time, and that was largely because the PS3 was being used as a Blu-Ray player, back when the average Blu-Ray player was impossibly expensive, so a large segment of the purchasers of the system simply weren't buying games at all.
But I don't recall it ever exceeding the Xbox 360's attach rate. Not the overall attach rate, I mean. Certainly, there must have been individual months where a huge game blew off the roof of that measurement, but those would be anomalies.
"over the next few months we'll be able to announce a few more things"
This definitely feels like a "read between the lines" quasi-confirmation.
bgassassin
Member
I didn't read well enough.
Or they will take a sizable loss on it, which I'm not a fan of.
Or they will take a sizable loss on it, which I'm not a fan of.
What was childish about his comment?
Wii is a toy?
It is a toy and I also love my other consoles as what they are -> toys!!
Father_Brain
Banned
I don't think that MS is that crazy, but it could very well launch at $100-$150 more than either Orbis or Wii U, in which case I suspect the price disadvantage (and its impact on the platform's adoption rate) would end up outweighing the technical advantages.
After all, Sony isn't Nintendo - they don't have the latter company's spotty history with third-party relations, particularly in the West. Orbis and Durango are 100% guaranteed to get all the same multiplatform titles, regardless of how big the performance gap is.
This is pretty true. I use my Ps3 more as an anime/movie/music watching device, but its still very much a toy. the same as my 360. the same as my Wii. The same as my 3DS. all toys. Not CHEAP toys, but still toys.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Yep. It's going to be very interesting.
Every rumor so far points to that idea that they actually ARE that crazy. ShockingAlberto also referenced it in the last thread, saying they gave into the big publishers.
I'm just curious, though, if companies aren't actually making the connection over the past generations: the most powerful system has never ended up first in sales, has it? PS2 beat Xbox/GC, DS beat PSP, Wii handily beat 360/PS3 before Nintendo started actively killing it off, and even 3DS is crushing Vita (albeit it's way, way, WAY too early to make that call).
-Pyromaniac-
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1) If the poster is legit, that doesn't mean we'll be blown away at E3, it could but that's only if Nintendo shows off one of their high end titles they're developing themselves. I doubt Pikmin and NSMB will be powerhouses. Who knows what the other stuff is though, like the retro game or whatever else they choose to tease.
As for the second part, it's pretty interesting. If Nintendo and Sony launch cheap and are very successful because of it, it puts MS in a weird boxed out position, when I bet their intentions are to box out the others. I think they're going for big risk big reward if the new xbox rumours are true.
Father_Brain
Banned
There's a difference between crazy and suicidal. $450 max, which would still be pretty bad.
Well, for example, I've got 50 Wii games for the console, many of which I bought brand new. I really enjoyed the system and although I have kind of fallen out of gaming for now, I still enjoy one from time to time. still working through Zelda Skyward Sword and I just picked up Xenoblade as well. The system still has life. Currently my roommates use it more than I do, to play Mario Party 9. The little thing is a fun factory no doubt.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I think that if Nintendo has anything impressive, even at the early stages, they absolutely have to show it at E3 to silence the naysayers. They may not have anything to do that at this point, though--we won't know until then.
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Agreed--I thought you meant "crazy" as in going for that high of specs, not price. I also think that going above $399 for any company will be a total disaster now.
I also think that if the Wii U is $349 it will be a disaster.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
or maybe they think it'll be their last "console" release as we know it. Who knows what can change in 5-8 years.
WIN
lol WUT
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Too much attention is what gets leaks fixed.
GameplayWhore
Member
It's a disorder of the industry. Console makers are convinced each generation that pushing the most bits/polys will make them sell the most units, then one of the less expensive consoles sell the most (often with a better profit margin!). Then they forget again and repeat the process.
Mind, this is not the same as saying "The cheapest/slowest console always wins". That is also an untrue statement, though it is a little closer to the truth than that earlier conjecture, as this generation showed*.
* I'm not counting even cheaper knock-off systems like the "Vii", mind you.
Father_Brain
Banned
Not necessarily, if it has a compelling enough launch lineup and Nintendo is willing to drop to $300 in time for the Durango/Orbis launches.
But $300 or $250 would definitely be smarter.
If he said like this, its not childish.
It is the dumb fault of a stressed and pissed of man.
Put yourself into his shoes, if u r a man + stressed + pissed its easy for you to write/say something without that needed second thought.
Give him the chance to think about it and maybe he see by himself that he could have said it another way.
Yeah. It might make sense to have different hardware "revisions" for the next decade or so that add features such as kinect but keeps the processing capabilities unchanged because it would be more than good enough for a long long time.
The big problem with that is, like you said, a lot can change in a couple years. Who knows what kind of tech we'll be playing with in 2020 (or as I like to call it, the year 20XX)
test_account
XP-39C²
WiiU runs Windows confirmed? Just like Dreamcast did.
-Pyromaniac-
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indeed, either way whatever they do is either gonna work out for them, or put them under in a horrible way, don't think there is a middle ground.
If he has such a thin skin, then maybe twitter is not for him.
I dunno. As weird as it sounds, making money with the xbox brand might not be Microsoft's long term goal. They may view this as a larger battle against apple for consumer mindshare and cultural relevancy. Apple is slowly taking over consumer consciousness as the defacto company to follow and emulate. I'm sure MS hates that. Creating a box for the living room that becomes THE standard over the course of the next 15 years would ensure an entire generation of consumers keep MS in the forefront of their list of companies to pay attention to. They might be trying to make the xbox a household appliance like the dvd player or the home computer. Making money simply might not matter to them for a very long time.
bgassassin
Member
Well I still maintain they are in their current position due to things out their control. An even playing field might have a serious impact on them.
But it wouldn't matter if all the details were leaked.
Gamer @ Heart
Member
Can someone recap what the beyond 3d posts by ideaman the second say? I'm getting random links to gaf threads inside secondapp
Edit: nvm I had to keep scrolling down!
Edit: nvm I had to keep scrolling down!
-Pyromaniac-
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yeah but the difference is that apple has proven that they can charge premium prices and make a killing. MS hasn't yet. The 360 is doing so well in the living room mostly because it's so cheap. That 199 SKU made a killing for them, that shit was like 149 or less on big sale days.
I always said the same that MS was just using gaming as a stepping stone to something much broader, but I don't think they should take 1 step and then sprint up the rest, but hey maybe it works.
the extra year didn't hurt as wellWell I still maintain they are in their current position due to things out their control. An even playing field might have a serious impact on them.
But it wouldn't matter if all the details were leaked.
next-gen is gonna be massively interesting.
R
Rösti
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I actually looked into this a while ago, but FCC's database was for some reason not up to speed then. I'll see if I can get some more things done.seems like something rosti should do
One thing I saw yesterday was that on Imatest's webpage, Nintendo is mentioned as a customer under the category "semiconductor". I've searched thoroughly for what this could be, but I haven't found any connection to Wii or 3DS. Does anyone know what they have supplied to Nintendo? In 2009, Nintendo was mentioned as a customer under the "miscellaneous" category.
http://www.imatest.com/about/customers/
Also, while I have absolutely no expectations on Wii U info coming from it, IBM's 1Q 2012 Earnings Announcement is today 16:30 ET: http://www.ibm.com/investor/1q12/index.phtml
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