Yeah I admit I am a bit confused. You have a Nintendo rep flat out saying a Mario game will be shown at E3. Mario Galaxy was shown at E3 2006. It makes perfect sense.
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Yeah I admit I am a bit confused. You have a Nintendo rep flat out saying a Mario game will be shown at E3. Mario Galaxy was shown at E3 2006. It makes perfect sense.
snowdog1971
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Ahh.. too excited. I need to read more carefully. And perhaps calm-down a bit.
I'd love it to be September. Maaaaybe August. Either one of those would certainly take the competition by surprise. It would also put a bit more pressure on the other two to release their consoles sooner, and Nintendo could get a bit more of a lead..
August would be perfect for me because I'll have the cash for it then. Would also mean that first and third party launch titles won't compete with the mad scheduling of AAA titles we see every November. I also think it's best to create sales momentum before the holiday season. You know it's going to sell out over Christmas anyway so there's no real advantage releasing it in November. Best to release in August/September to start sales momentum, November and December will keep sales momentum going and then release a system selling first party title or two between February and May to keep the momentum going to the Summer. And then have a 2D or 3D Mario game in an attempt to scupper the launches of the PS4 and 720 before Christmas next year.
AceBandage
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I'm not against a Mario game on the Wii U at all.
What I'm against is Nintendo needing a Mario game at the launch of the system.
They'll be launching during the busiest shopping seasons of the year, with a host of amazing games and likely at a very reasonable price.
Mario, in any form, should not be wasted on that. It should be saved, perfected, refined and then put out during a lull in releases (summer 2013, let's say).
Saying that Nintendo needs a Mario game at the launch of the Wii U basically says that Nintendo is a one trick pony.
This is why I don't think they'll show a Mario Wii U in anywhere near a finished form, at E3. They will already be focusing on NSMB2 for the 3DS.
Word of advice. Reps generally know far less than we do.
MadOdorMachine
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Not exactly. I don't know if it will make launch or not, but RE6 is a game I think is very likely to make it to Wii U shortly.
Plinko
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I can't possibly imagine why Nintendo would trumpet the fact that they're showing a brand new Mario game for Wii U at E3 and then say, "Well, it's not even close to being done! See you in 2 years!"
There was a flat-out denial. At the very least, it's extremely unlikely for launch.
But it won't be THE Mario Wii U. They can release NSMB at launch if they want, but as long as Super Mario Galaxy 3/Universe/whatever is being worked on carefully to be amazing, I'm happy with that.
AceBandage
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Why not? This is fairly typical Nintendo. I doubt it'll be a 2 year gap, but I simply can't see it being a launch game.
No, there was the usual "We can't announce any plans right now" speel that says they're under NDA. It's happening.
Nintendo is going to err on the side of caution after the 3DS debacle. You can say it was price or other factors, but the bottom line is Nintendo is going to be absolutely sure that doesn't happen.
If Skyward Sword hadn't just launched I would say Zelda would be a launch title.
Mario is a sure bet to get the console off to a fast start, and I think the odds are good that is where Nintendo is going.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
No, there wasn't. They said "at this time," which screams "we're hiding this til E3."
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Miyamoto is a "Nintendo rep" now?
AceBandage
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The thing is, there was no debacle. The only debacle was a high price and not having games like OoT and SF64 ready to go within the first month.
They were not doing horribly with the 3DS in any sense. They "paniced" in the sense that they needed to reassure investors and third parties that the system was healthy enough to continue support on. Mario at launch with a $250 price tag would not have been a huge difference maker.
Miyamoto's comment lacks proper context. That is all I'm saying. While people are taking the word of a random rep contacted by Kotaku of all places, as gospel.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
No, the launch was a complete debacle. The games were horrible and had 3rd parties recoiling.
No, it was a debacle, period. When you have to drastically cut the price so quickly to reassure investors and third parties, that is a debacle. You can say it wasn't a debacle from your perspective, but from Nintendo and their investors perspective, it absolutely was.
shadyspace
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Wii U could launch with just ACIII and it's a first day buy for me.
The exact quote was:
"Unfortunately, [Resident Evil 6] will not be available at this time on the Wii U. Right now we're concentrating on the PlayStation 3 version, 360 version, and the PC version of the game."
He flat-out said that it won't be available at the initial launch of the game, not just that they won't or can't announce anything. That combined with Alberto saying that he warned us means that it's probably not coming to Wii U this year.
AceBandage
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A debacle is the Vita's launch. Doing worse than GC numbers is a debacle.
The 3DS was doing fairly good hardware and software sales. It just wasn't doing 2010 DS numbers.
That is the only problem it had. Lofty expectations that weren't met so people panicked. So, Nintendo did what it needed to do. Which was only one thing. It cut the price.
They didn't suddenly make any extra software or anything. They just cut the price.
You seem to be arguing from some absolutely numbers perspective. I am talking about Nintendo, investors, and third parties. To them, the launch was a debacle. I do not see where you are trying to go with this, honestly. Nintendo basically admitted as such when it announced the price drop. Do you think Iwata meant to cut his salary in half?
Now, if your point is that it was only a debacle because of the price and therefore Nintendo does not need to have better software for the Wii U launch, then I see your point, but I still think that is off the mark. Bottom line is Nintendo will want to avoid what happened last time. The price is going to be higher than the Wii's price point. They are going to want to give the system the best possible shot at selling well out of the gate.
Metroid Hunter
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Nintendo also released two statements: one confirming Pikmin at E3 and one confirmed Mario at E3, which is based off the demo from last year.
AceBandage
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And it will, with or without Mario.
They'll launch right before Black Friday in the states and the Holidays in the rest of the world.
They'll launch with a slew of high priority third party titles (both multi platform and exclusive).
They'll launch with a few great first party games.
They'll launch at a price that isn't outrageous.
Mario is not needed here. In any way shape or form. Again, it should be saved for when they need a sales boost.
A rep said this.
A rep said that there was no successor to the DS.
A rep said that MK7 would not be patched.
Reps know what we know, maybe an hour before we know it sometimes. They should not be trusted as sources. They are told only things that will be made public knowledge very quickly.
Ok, I'm going to stop this because we're just talking past each other. I think you are miscalculating Nintendo on this one.
MadOdorMachine
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It still doesn't confirm that it's coming. PS3 just got Tomb Raider Legend. Wii U is getting a year old port of Batman: AC (if it's still in development) so there's no reason to think some of these games (and more) won't get ported at a later time. Whether or not they are launch games is another story though. Both reasons for Tomb Raider and Epic Mickey 2 were very similar, but not completely ruled out.
Tomb Raider said:
Epic Mickey 2 said:
AceBandage
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You can disagree with me, that's fine.
But when people argue this point with me, their only reasoning seems to be "They don't want a repeat of the 3DS launch".
And I have already stated why it won't be like that, with or without Mario.
I could very well end up being wrong, but I simply don't see why they would need a Mario game at the launch of the Wii U.
It really sounds like we won't have RE6 on Wii U. They probably started working on it way before the dev kits were sent out.
A port would be a pleasant surprise, but I'm not expecting it.
But you have no way of knowing what the Wii U launch will be. How can you be so certain? There are going to be extremely high expectations for the launch- you and me know that it will be nearly impossible to replicate the Wii launch, but investor's are going to be comparing the two. Nintendo is not going to be able to get away with a modest launch, and what you described sounds like a modest launch.
It will be higher priced than the Wii
It will not have the immediate appeal of the motion controller.
And, by your list, it will not have anything approaching Zelda.
H_Prestige
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What is the launch price of the Wii U and what high priority third party party exclusives will it launch with?
DragonKnight
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Umm Wii first reveal anyone? WiiU reveal?
-Pyromaniac-
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I keep saying that Mario is NECESSARY but I never ever said just for launch, I said launch OR launch window. All I know is somewhere in that time frame, it has to come. Now as for how long the launch window extends, that's up to Nintendo, but it's definitely within 1-4 months of release. 5 max.
DragonKnight
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Maybe i'm just not the typical nintendo fan then. I'm getting this thing because i'm hoping that it will have great third party support. I know the marios, zeldas, and metroids will come--that's a given.
Dreamwriter
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And just cutting the price didn't revive sales enough, the system didn't really recover until Mario 3D and Mario Kart.
You are way underestimating the 3DS launch problems - sure, the total number of systems sold were decent, but that was because the first month had good sales numbers. But by the third month, sales were down a HUGE amount. I've got a good point of view on this, because my company was one of the first developers working on 3DS games, and at one point we were working on 4 3DS games at once. After the prelaunch E3, publishers were extremely excited by the 3DS, and we had more interest than we were able to support. But by June, almost all interest was gone. One of the games we were working on got canceled, some of the publishers who had previously expressed interest in us making a 3DS game decided to put the game on hold, wait and see if the market would improve. Others said they had no more interest in even thinking about making 3DS games. Since most of my company's business was in handheld games, expecially Nintendo handhelds, and suddenly we were unable to get jobs to make handheld games, the parent company sold us off. The handheld situation started to recover around November when Mario 3DS came out, and sales were back in full swing once Mario Kart 7 was out.
DragonKnight
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Agreed. Price was not the 3DS' only problem. Make the Vita $150.00 and I probably still would not buy it. There are no games that I want to play for the thing save one.
Edit: Software is king and it always will be.
Edit: Software is king and it always will be.
Christberg
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For folks worrying about the casual audience not coming back this time, let me reassure you they probably will.
The reason boils down to the Wii ___ and Just Dance titles that while not announced yet are pretty much guaranteed to be there at or very close to launch.
The Wii ____ game we've probably already seen pieces of. Looks appealing.
Just Dance will most likely make use of the uPad as a DJ station to control tracks, lighting control, and use the camera for "dance off" competitions. (would be better if there was a rear facing camera option)
Bundle them with a heavily discounted WM+ remote and you have a couple instant zillion sellers.
The reason boils down to the Wii ___ and Just Dance titles that while not announced yet are pretty much guaranteed to be there at or very close to launch.
The Wii ____ game we've probably already seen pieces of. Looks appealing.
Just Dance will most likely make use of the uPad as a DJ station to control tracks, lighting control, and use the camera for "dance off" competitions. (would be better if there was a rear facing camera option)
Bundle them with a heavily discounted WM+ remote and you have a couple instant zillion sellers.
H_Prestige
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No. The screen is the focus.
Christberg
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This too. Expect Angry Birds U pretty close to launch.
The upside for casuals on this thing is HUGE.
Kacho
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I hope that the motion controls in the controller are used sparingly. I just watched the E3 2011 conference again and they were saying that the controller has all of the motion control technology built into it. Yuck.
Which is why the next E3 is absolutely pivotal for the Wii U. It's success is completely contingent upon strong launch software--if Nintendo can't build an unassailable lead on Durango and Orbis before their release (presumably one year later) it will be left in the dust as Western devs build up to the new standard and Japanese devs retreat to portables.
The most promising aspect of the Wii U is the potential for HD-ified sequels to DS/3DS franchises--The World Ends With You, Etrian Odyssey, and Professor Layton come to mind. These would be easy to get green-lit and are guaranteed, by design, to be Wii U exclusive.
DragonKnight
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I don't think that's the most promising aspect of the WiiU. It is certainly an awesome possibility though
-Pyromaniac-
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Seems more like a pipe dream than the most promising aspect. I'm pretty sure the most promising thing is to play all the nintendo franchises in glorious high definition, but hey I'd take both 
DragonKnight
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Because they have been hired out the ass and have been quoted as working hard calling it "crunch time". They'll have something to show no doubt.
Yeah, definitely, quantity counts as much as quality. As regards software libraries, Nintendo often have a lot of the latter but not so much of the former. At this point in time, Sony have neither with Vita.
-Pyromaniac-
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2 years in development and you have nothing to show? That would be troublesome. Combine that with some of their recent comments and I could see them showing it. Whether it comes out for launch is another story. I'll say launch window-ish, probably summer 2013.
Dreamwriter
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I dunno, Nintendo has a habit of keeping some things close to the vest until just a few months before release. We didn't find out that they were even working on a New Super Mario Bros. 2 for 3DS until a mere 4 months before its release.
-Pyromaniac-
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mehhh that's not entirely true, they confirmed development of a 2D mario a whiiiile ago for 3DS.
Also it's a launch of a new console, you can sell people on promises too.
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