No man. People think they know more than those actually working in the industry. Business degrees and years of industry experience are completely disregarded by those who think just because they've been playing games for a while, they know the innerworkings of these companies.
Wii U Speculation thread IV: Photoshop rumors and image memes
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No man. People think they know more than those actually working in the industry. Business degrees and years of industry experience are completely disregarded by those who think just because they've been playing games for a while, they know the innerworkings of these companies.
Smiles and Cries
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I think these guys make money from being really good at guessing trends and make good money for rich clients and part of their job is to spread false info to the poorer non-client public thus these retarded news stories, that is the only way to explain how stupid the guessing have been for gaming and Nintendo.
GameplayWhore
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Well, they can make mistakes. The 3DS was released earlier than it needed to be at a much higher price than it should have been. If they had released it at, say, $200 with the key title triumverate less than three months away, I could see them still selling at $200 now. There was a little bit of pooch screwing going on there.
But analysts need to realize that Nintendo does have an overall consistent business methodology and that the market that they work in runs in fairly predictable cycles. Screaming doom and gloom during a transitional period where all funds are being sunk into R&D for upcoming hardware is pretty silly. Nintendo's position is weaker than last time due to various causes, but their prior generation had a quarterly loss during its transitional period, and sales were way down as interest shifted from currently selling systems to future hardware.
I find Nintendo to be unique among the console manufacturers that also provide content in that they are the only ones begged to port their games over to smartphones.
Is anybody pestering Microsoft for Halo to be put on smartphones? No, at least not to my knowledge.
Is anybody pestering Sony for uhh... Jak and Daxter or Uncharted? No.
Only Nintendo gets bugged this way and it's kind of annoying.
I have heard one argument that it only makes sense for Nintendo to join smartphone development because Nintendo's IPs and properties are far more well known that either Sony's or MS's. But... if they are that well known, then it makes more sense for Nintendo to just keep doing what they are doing. They would have more success with Sony, who is bleeding money at the moment, or MS who has shown through various GBA and DS games that they have no problem with IP that they own appearing elsewhere (mostly Rare games).
Is anybody pestering Microsoft for Halo to be put on smartphones? No, at least not to my knowledge.
Is anybody pestering Sony for uhh... Jak and Daxter or Uncharted? No.
Only Nintendo gets bugged this way and it's kind of annoying.
I have heard one argument that it only makes sense for Nintendo to join smartphone development because Nintendo's IPs and properties are far more well known that either Sony's or MS's. But... if they are that well known, then it makes more sense for Nintendo to just keep doing what they are doing. They would have more success with Sony, who is bleeding money at the moment, or MS who has shown through various GBA and DS games that they have no problem with IP that they own appearing elsewhere (mostly Rare games).
I consider not actually fully researching the field you are paid to analyze as "not promoting sound business tactics."
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Uh oh...
Someone's started a new thread with that info.
Thread to turn bad in 4, 3, 2.....
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=471687
Someone's started a new thread with that info.
Thread to turn bad in 4, 3, 2.....
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=471687
Smiles and Cries
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its not... unless we are talking about Angry Birds numbers of sales for each but then we need to compare what Angry Birds did at $1 and what Mario Galaxy did at $40
even then Angry Birds is a smile flash-like game without as much dev resources as a full Mario game
what they hell are these guys smoking?
an APPLE home console with a full controller and full priced games is the only way I see a dead Nintendo trying to save itself by going 3rd party in the year 2093
So, I was curious on what time we might get the Nintendo FY ending March 2012 report, which will by the way, only be financial info. Briefing(maybe Wii U info) is usually the day after.
Anyway, I looked at what time previous Financial report threads that were made:
Nintendo Q3 Report:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=460340
Nintendo FY ending March 2011:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=428390
Nintendo FY ending March 2010:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=394672
Based on above threads, it looks like we will get financial info in 10-11 hours from now.
This is just a guesstimate, so I could be wrong
Anyway, I looked at what time previous Financial report threads that were made:
Nintendo Q3 Report:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=460340
Nintendo FY ending March 2011:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=428390
Nintendo FY ending March 2010:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=394672
Based on above threads, it looks like we will get financial info in 10-11 hours from now.
This is just a guesstimate, so I could be wrong
I'm glad he has a degree. It certainly would be embarrassing for him to forgo googling hardware numbers and write false information about the 3DS and not have a degree. Then he'd look like such an amateur chump.
GameplayWhore
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So, I was curious on what time we might get the Nintendo FY ending March 2012 report, which will by the way, only be financial info. Briefing(maybe Wii U info) is usually the day after.
Anyway, I looked at what time previous Financial report threads that were made:
Nintendo Q3 Report:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=460340
Nintendo FY ending March 2011:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=428390
Nintendo FY ending March 2010:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=394672
Based on above threads, it looks like we will get financial info in 10-11 hours from now.
This is just a guesstimate, so I could be wrong
Somebody had said 4AM EDT, which is 5PM Japan Time. I'm guessing that the results are put up after the end of the trading day, which I understand is common in the US, as well. So it will indeed be at crazy o'clock. I will wake up to many posts of Nintendoom.
edit: but your method of finding the likely time was pretty darn clever!
Smiles and Cries
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I wonder if Nintendo has an iOS SDK and has Mario NES running just fine with simple NES buttons on the touch screen of the iPad
what would be the benefit of releasing that? Advertising? A sweet deal with Apple?
iPads working as WiiU controllers?
what would be the benefit of releasing that? Advertising? A sweet deal with Apple?
iPads working as WiiU controllers?
If Nintendo were to put games on iOS, Android, and even Windows Phone, I think they would totally eclipse other game developers and their games. Would Apple, Google, and Microsoft like that? And if they went 3rd party on consoles, wouldn't their games also overshadow some of Microsoft's and Sony's exclusives and other 3rd parties?
Nintendo is completely fine developing their own hardware because, in this way, they are be able to communicate with 3rd parties on their consoles like I hope they are doing more efficiently right now for the Wii U and they would not overshadow other games on the Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Sony platforms.
lol, am I overestimating Nintendo's games?
Nintendo is completely fine developing their own hardware because, in this way, they are be able to communicate with 3rd parties on their consoles like I hope they are doing more efficiently right now for the Wii U and they would not overshadow other games on the Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Sony platforms.
lol, am I overestimating Nintendo's games?
Like the hat?
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how many years now have the same analysts said the same thing about no, THIS year nintendo will fail.
It's both of them. Its a shame that the most negative are the most vocal.
Smiles and Cries
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I can just head to bed and wake up at 4am but its nearly 5pm right now too early
I want a WiiU tidbit
give us the price if its expensive people can get use to it by E3
I want a WiiU tidbit
give us the price if its expensive people can get use to it by E3
What if you lived in Seattle?
It would be raining way too much in your games.
You stay inside the house to play games because it's rainy and depressing outside, only for the rain to follow you in your games lol.
Well yeah. For such a large industry, you'd think it would have better analysts, but I'm pretty sure most of the ones were hear about don't focus squarely on video games.
GameplayWhore
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Hah, Nintendo will base its price in part on reactions from E3 (though it won't have as much influence as it had on the 3DS).
Also, no matter what the price ends up being, within reason, it will be too expensive for some (me) and too cheap for others. That's one of those no-win scenarios anyway.
Smiles and Cries
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I don't think you are but the quality of these ports would suffer over so many platforms
Nintendo builds its hardware around what they want to do with software... they are focused
If they wanted to drop a bunch of NES classics on smartphones though I think they could also make a nice McDuck swimming bin of gold coins
I actually used the weather and news apps for a little while. I gotta admit, it'd be kind a cool if they could upgrade that into a CNN app and a Weather Channel app complete with audio and video. We've really only scratched the surface of what utility apps would be useful in the living room.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Don't they have a massive stash of money? I don't know if I'd call it "crashing all around."
Besides, even if the Wii U didn't work out, all it would take would be a team console with Apple and analysts would think Nintendo was their best friend.
I expect Wii U to go full blown with apps.
Almost to the point where apps will become one of the Wii U's key features.
Not even joking. I think Nintendo is going to go crazy with apps and making partnerships with companies to put their apps on the console.
Netflix and Hulu are just the beginning of something bigger.
A real app store is Nintendo's way of saying fuck you to anyone who tells them to go ios, smartphones, androids, etc.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I agree. I think apps are going to be a HUGE part of E3 and the commercial marketing of the Wii U.
I can't wait to see analysts' reactions when that occurs.
Yeah.. I find it adorable when folks try to say that Sony or MS' first-party IPs are comparable to Nintendo's. That's so cute.
Smiles and Cries
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I think apps is a given at this point but also if those cable company deals happened there could be HBO, CNN, ESPN on this thing streaming on uPad
Watch ESPN2 on your HDTV while game 2 is going on streamed on uPad with ESPN3
I doubt they even need cable companies to pull this off
Can we have someone definitively post how much money iOS games typically make compared to conventional handheld and console games? Even just speculation would be nice.
Yeah I remember some of the rumored deals that Nintendo was negotiating was with Comcast and MLB.TV.
And then you have the rumor about Nintendo interested in doing ebooks.
Yeah, I expect Nintendo to explode with a full fledged app store.
Hell I expect Microsoft to do that, if not also Sony. I keep saying that they have an opportunity to beat Apple to the punch in the living room since they haven't brought the iOS app store to the Apple TV yet.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Also, trolling from other console owners... "Can't wait to play Mario on my 360" is common.
If, in any hypothetical sense, Nintendo were to go third party tomorrow, I imagine they would select Sony or MS in order to keep the game quality up. Also, they would be the most sought after third party in history.
That would create a wondrous opportunity for Nintendo to play kingmaker and eternally vanquish an old rival, because they would know full well whoever they didn't pick would suffer becoming a bit player and irrelevant. Nintendo with MS would basically seal off the U.S. for Sony and give MS serious inroads into Japan (especially if they market their Xboxs there as "Nintendo") Nintendo with Sony would seal off Japan for MS and reduce MS to sharing the U.S. with Sony. It would be an interesting scenario, but it won't happen until Nintendo loses $1 billion for 10 years straight.
I also doubt the smartphones magical ability to generate serious revenue, as the smartphone is in already major publishers portfolio and it hasn't stopped, say, Sega and EA from suffering.
Smiles and Cries
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but they don't have a pad controller hybrid yet... its not too late to copy the uPad though... would be funny if Nintendo pulled an APPLE and sued SONY/MS for copying the upad
but they don't have a pad controller hybrid yet... its not too late to copy the uPad though... would be funny if Nintendo pulled an APPLE and sued SONY/MS for copying the upad
What does that matter if you can navigate menus with your whole body!
Smiles and Cries
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This is what I was hoping SEGA would do instead of spreading itself out like a whore and having such wide spread quality levels
Smiles and Cries
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What does that matter if you can navigate menus with your whole body!
oh dear god... I remember when people thought the WiiMote made you look stupid XD
What does that matter if you can navigate menus with your whole body!
the kid in red always get me. XD
I hope the wii u home menu will take pointers from the 3ds
Exactly. With the benefit of hindsight, it was obvious that Sega should have chosen Nintendo. Their games (still) sell better on Nintendo hardware and it would have been a match made in fanboy heaven, which would create an intense marketing opportunity.
EDIT: About that Kinect gif...
I won't particularly judge the Kinect or it's games in a harsh way. But I will say that, prior to Kinect Star Wars, I had been hoping Nintendo might try to band together the remnants of Factor 5 and create an intense sequel to Rogue Squadron on the Wii U. But, with the damage Kinect Star Wars has done, I think the Star Wars IP may be too damaged to touch for about 2 or 3 years.
IceDoesntHelp
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Smiles and Cries
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FOLDERS!
Seeing the news about the developer behind Inchworm Animation being rejected by Nintendo when applying as a developer for 3DS is pretty terrible. Inchworm animation on dsiware got a 9 out of 10 on Nintendolife.com.
It doesn't give me much hope for indie developers on Wiiware for Wii U.
It doesn't give me much hope for indie developers on Wiiware for Wii U.
Dreamwriter
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Realize that the Sega that went third-party is not the Sega that made the Dreamcast. Those guys were purchased by a company that manufactured pachinko machines, and Sega was not kept as a separate entity (and in the process they lost a lot of the people who made Sega was it was).
I hope and pray that if the unfathomable (no more Nintendo hardware) were to ever happen, I hope that Nintendo stays true to their word and stops making games altogether. The idea of playing a Mario or Zelda game on one of those others' consoles seems absolutely disgusting to me. Just my personal take.
In that event, I'd be content to play from my back catalog and build my collection for the remainder of my days.
In that event, I'd be content to play from my back catalog and build my collection for the remainder of my days.
Smiles and Cries
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This is what I plan to use the WiiU controller for:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SNPJMk2fgJU#!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SNPJMk2fgJU#!
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Nintendo refused to give them a reason of their rejection.
I don't understand it because if they already made a game for DSiware that got raving reviews, I don't see what the problem is.
Because obviously it's not a quality issue, and they have DS developer kits already.
Nintendo can be really strange with their third party relationships.
http://www.nintendofansonline.co.uk/...-inchworm.html
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
I'm not linking to it, but the way Escapist magazine has spun the Crysis 3 story is disgusting
"Crytek doesn't think Nintendo's new console can handle it."
"Nintendo's upcoming new console the Wii U won't have enough juice to get the nanosuit working with any fluidity"
"Sorry, Nintendo fans. Chalk up one more third party developer that's not planning on supporting the new platform."
"Crytek doesn't think Nintendo's new console can handle it."
"Nintendo's upcoming new console the Wii U won't have enough juice to get the nanosuit working with any fluidity"
"Sorry, Nintendo fans. Chalk up one more third party developer that's not planning on supporting the new platform."
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