Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012
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TekkenMaster
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Screenboy said:
Nintendo's October Conference for sure.
And probably something at Tokyo Game Show in September.
lwilliams3
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Good question. Reminds me when someone told me that current technology is well beyond our ability to make use of it.bgassassin said:
ShockingAlberto
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Not until May at the earliest. They told investors that directly.antonz said:
Third parties don't even have final devkits yet.
Final kits usually dont arrive until a few months before launch anyways due to the Fact IBM.AMD etc dont begin mass producing final hardware til then.ShockingAlberto said:
We know Darksiders 2 is Q2 2012 right now. Its also listed as a Wii U launch title so it could possinly launch across all platforms at the same time.
JoshuaJSlone
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I think next fiscal year is as specific as they've meant to get. I think somewhere along the line a "Not until April at earliest." got accidentally said or heard as "Not until after April at earliest.", so we hear both.Truth101 said:
Fiscal year goes April 1 - March 31.Instro said:
Graphics Horse
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ShockingAlberto said:
Not before April wasn't it? I was thinking April 1st was possible but probably not in reality.
Chaplain
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Willy105 said:
Reggie said every game shown at the E3 conference is in development for WiiU:
This is the list of confirmed games for Wii U:
Battlefield 3
Zelda HD
Darksiders 2
Tekken Wii U
Batman Arkham City
Assassins Creed
Ghost Recon Online
Dirt
Aliens
Metro Last Light
Ninja Gaiden 3
Killer Freaks
Wii U Sports HD
Smash Brothers
New Super Mario Bros HD
Madden 2013
Fifa 2013
Need for Speed
Harry Potter
The Sims
Army of Two
Nintendo will have no problem launching the system in the 1st or 2nd quarter of next year (if they want to do so).
elrechazado
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Game Analyst said:
Didn't the PS3 versions of ME and Bioshock show us people aren't really interested in buying old console ports of even fantastic games? Now imagine how terrible those sales will be with dregs like army of two, the sims, etc. And if Bioshock and ME are any indication, then that doesn't bode well even for good games on that list, like NFS, Batman, Battlefield, etc. Those games will be old by the time wiiu is out.
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elrechazao said:
My assumption is that Nintendo will be launching most of those games with exclusive Wii U gameplay features and compilations of certain games (ext. Mass Effect 1, 2 & 3 on one disc).
Many of the users Nintendo will be targeting with the new system will be Wii owners who have never played many of the titles 3rd parties will be releasing for Wii U.
Just speculation though.
elrechazado
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I imagine they'll try something like that. Seems like sony tried that in the examples I gave, and still failed. Game industry is too much about buzz for the new, and even great games get buried these days after a few weeks, let alone months or years. Will be interesting to see what happens though.Game Analyst said:
Army of Two really made me laugh tho.
A lot of those were announcements for the franchises on the system, not which actual games from those franchises they are. For instance, we learned that "an" Assassin's Creed game is being developed, but they refused to say if it was AC3 or what. Same goes for Army of Two, Need For Speed, etc. They weren't talking about the games, only the franchises.elrechazao said:
elrechazado
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That's good to know, but the point remains for games like arkham, bf3, etc.lednerg said:
bgassassin
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Graphics Horse said:
Anyone who knows can answer the following questions in this post.
I think where I have a hole in knowledge is how exactly the frame rate impacts that? The resolution I understand enough, but not the frame rate.
Also looking strictly at the info in the link vs what was told to wsippel, I can see why GDDR3 is being used as the underclocking has a big affect on GDDR5. Then add the "fact" that the clock speed mentioned for the dev kit GPU is even lower than the tests in that link and it would seem pointless to use GDDR5 right now. Someone hopefully will confirm if that is a correct assessment to make. Also why does not having anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering have a slightly negative impact?
lwilliams3 said:
Yeah I've heard the same as well. And stays in line with what some have said about the current gen of consoles since those people have said they haven't been maxed out yet.
Truth101 said:
They did in the things I saw, but I do know Reggie unintentionally confirmed on Jimmy Fallon's show that it's not coming out till after April which would then make May the earliest possible. I've been going with July for awhile now and that still makes the most sense to me.
bgassassin
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Game Analyst said:
Your speculation is pretty accurate according to what Ace posted.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=28843624&postcount=600
AceBandage
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Yup. Nintendo is going to hinge a lot on the uniqueness of the U controller to help sell games.
They've been working with a lot of the bigger studios for ideas (EA, Activision, Ubisoft).
I don't know if a lot of gamers will move to the Wii U just for those controls on multiplatform games, but I do think that if Nintendo can get some good exclusives out early (1st and 3rd party) that they have a good chance of creating a much healthier userbase than on the Wii or GC.
They've been working with a lot of the bigger studios for ideas (EA, Activision, Ubisoft).
I don't know if a lot of gamers will move to the Wii U just for those controls on multiplatform games, but I do think that if Nintendo can get some good exclusives out early (1st and 3rd party) that they have a good chance of creating a much healthier userbase than on the Wii or GC.
Like the others said, those games will have new gameplay elements added to them via the controller's touchscreen (as well as a graphics boost). Will that be enough to attract owners of those games to buy them again? Eh, probably not. Still, that's hardly a reason to ditch the ports altogether - especially when they'll end up showcasing the system's abilities. There's no doubt the internet will be littered with all sorts of head-to-head comparisons of those titles. Also, any chance for a developer to get used to the hardware is only a good thing.elrechazao said:
AceBandage
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It's possible. They've used it to announce stuff before.
He was talking about the third-party reel that had PS3 and 360 footage. Zelda obviously isn't in development considering that they're still finishing up SS. Let me fix that list for you.Game Analyst said:
A Battlefield game, which may or may not be BF3
Zelda HD
Darksiders 2
Tekken Wii U
Batman Arkham City
Assassins Creed
Ghost Recon Online
Dirt
Aliens
Metro Last Light
Ninja Gaiden 3
Killer Freaks
Wii U Sports/Play HD
Smash Brothers
New Super Mario Bros Mii
Madden 2013
Fifa 2013
Need for Speed
Harry Potter
The Sims
Army of Two
Pikmin 3
Legend:
Confirmed
Highly possible, but unconfirmed
Tech demo
So, only two Nintendo games are confirmed.
bgassassin said:
I understand 'asset' as any material used that is specific to a game, as opposed to technology that is game agnostic. For example, a texture, a character model, character rigging skeletons, sounds, music, cut-scene scripts, CG movies, non-interactive sequences, enemy AI specifications, logic that describes how platforms move in a level, etc. would all be assets. On the other hand, a rendering engine, an animation engine, an AI evaluator, a physics evaluator, an audio engine, a specialized scripting language used to describe the layout of levels, etc. would be parts of a "game engine". If you want to think about it in abstract terms consider the assets the "data" that you stuff into a "process" which produces the images you see and sounds you hear as a result.
Assets can be created using any kinds of tools (engine-specific editors or just plain Maya or what have you) but are exported in a form that the asset management component of the game engine can understand.
bgassassin said:
nope, sorry, too many dependencies... parse error. Here's what I'm interpreting: Assets = stuff that an engine uses. Live/CG cut-scenes are not assets because their visual representation is not produced by the engine and in that sense have not been "used" by the engine. "what a real-time demo would be" = visuals produced by an engine in real-time that a user can manipulate. So to put it all together, you are using the final visuals as a baseline, the "real-time demo" is visuals produced by the engine on the fly (and uses assets to do so), the "live/CG cutscenes" directly are the final visuals and therefore use no assets? I just wrote this to try to clarify where my confusion might stem from. Please see the definition above for how I separate stuff into game = engine + assets, where game is interactive or non-interactive.
bgassassin said:
I feel I must resist the implication that older relates to gimping. I just realized that if I had read "which potentially gimps", I wouldn't have replied. Instead my parser identified a fact and my mind tried to find supporting evidence for it
bgassassin said:
IMO the quality of the demo is much more influenced by how much time they had to produce it and how much effort they put in as opposed to the capability/quality of the underlying engine. Just because the demo looked so-so doesn't mean the engine wouldn't have been, in its state at the time, capable of producing much better. E.g., when you look at the spider model you can see that the fur on the legs is horribly resolved. I'd be more inclined to believe the modeler didn't want to bother redrawing the fur textures and used existing ones, as opposed to the quality being related to the capability of the engine.
bgassassin said:
Yes, sorry I realize the ambiguity now. I used animation in both the sense of what you'd expect relates to a character's movement, i.e., a running animation; and I used it in the sense of a cutscene or non-interactive visuals. So the "demo" is what I called an animation, because you didn't actually control any of the action and were only a spectator. I should have properly called it a cut-scene. And yes, sorry again I should have called Samaritan a cut-scene instead of a canned animation. I was mis-using animation here in the sense of not live action video.
bgassassin said:
The way you word this would make me inclined to believe that you work for Nintendo and know this is the case. What support do you have to state that Nintendo's current technology is not already adequate? Just because you have new hardware doesn't mean you need a "new engine" -- by that I mean a new conceptual framework to tie in the various software technologies needed to produce game simulation, visuals and audio.
Also I don't see the obvious support for saying that Nintendo tends to work in a way that they build non-reusable technology, i.e., tying assets to technology. On the contrary, based on what some are saying that the current engine could be based on what they needed to produce Sunshine, it would be reasonable to believe that Nintendo strong separates technology and specific games.
Sorry I'm not necessarily fighting your points as I don't have insider knowledge that would allow me to state the contrary. I'd just like folks to similarly realize that *they* don't have insider knowledge but their comments make it seems as if they do. The common issue I see is that people simply things dramatically but are also not aware that they are doing so, discarding the complexities of reality.
Well, obviously there's going to be a Zelda at some point, but that demo really has nothing to with it, at least not yet.Game Analyst said:
I'll give you NSMBMii though. And i really hope they get that out for launch. Between that, Pikmin 3, Wii U Sports, and the third-party titles, it would be Nintendo's best launch ever! I could see 12 million sold in the first year, easy (assuming the right price).
This is kind of off-topic, but is GamePro, or at least the guy who wrote that article, known for bias against Nintendo? I know how I must sound saying it, but everyone I've seen use that incredibly stupid "IT'S POINTLESS BECAUSE THE CONTROLLER ISN'T A HANDHELD AND VITA AND IPAD CAN DO EVERYTHING IT DOES!" argument has shown their bias in my experience.Game Analyst said:
I know this is old info but I haven't read it anywhere:
Gustav Halling, Gameplay designer at DICE and BF3
"Didn't say it wouldn't compete with current gen.
But I know how much RAM the WiiU has and I have an idea of how much "we" developers would like to see in the next Xbox and PS4, and they differ a lot.
Still, the WiiU will be the most powerful console out there when it's released, BY FAR!
But I wonder for how long...
Nintendo cant go and compete with MS and Sony i think because they want to keep their console cheaper as with the Wii.
BUT, I might also be wrong and this is Nintendos real hunt after the hardcore MS and Sony players.
And I agree with the controller, it looks amazing, but I dont see you playing BF3 on it (switching like they did in the rpg they showed) but maybe have the minimap up with chat support etc, that would be awesome!
The future will tell =)"
I figure the dev kits right now might have less ram then the final system, so if it's say 1gb right now, it might end up at 1.5gb or even 2 just because a 2GB stick would be cheaper than 1gb and a 512mb stick.
This also means that if they are working on a BF3 game, it hasn't started yet... The EA president does talk like they are putting it on there.
Also that more powerful BY FAR sure sounds nice.
Gustav Halling, Gameplay designer at DICE and BF3
"Didn't say it wouldn't compete with current gen.
But I know how much RAM the WiiU has and I have an idea of how much "we" developers would like to see in the next Xbox and PS4, and they differ a lot.
Still, the WiiU will be the most powerful console out there when it's released, BY FAR!
But I wonder for how long...
Nintendo cant go and compete with MS and Sony i think because they want to keep their console cheaper as with the Wii.
BUT, I might also be wrong and this is Nintendos real hunt after the hardcore MS and Sony players.
And I agree with the controller, it looks amazing, but I dont see you playing BF3 on it (switching like they did in the rpg they showed) but maybe have the minimap up with chat support etc, that would be awesome!
The future will tell =)"
I figure the dev kits right now might have less ram then the final system, so if it's say 1gb right now, it might end up at 1.5gb or even 2 just because a 2GB stick would be cheaper than 1gb and a 512mb stick.
This also means that if they are working on a BF3 game, it hasn't started yet... The EA president does talk like they are putting it on there.
Also that more powerful BY FAR sure sounds nice.
AceBandage
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I dunno if we'll see BF3 on the Wii U, simply because of when it's coming out.
But we probably will see a BF game on it soon after launch.
But we probably will see a BF game on it soon after launch.
lwilliams3
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Actually, have there been any developers so far that have actually complained about the rumored specs of the Wii U? The closest I recall was someone from the BG&E team saying simply said it wasn't a next-gen system. I believe that most game developers are good with the Wii U's power as long as it can properly run their game engines and/or that they know enough about the Wii U's final specs to know not to worry about it.bgassassin said:
BurntPork said:
I wasn't looking at prices, I was thinking about the quantity of the order, chips would generally work the same, samsung or whoever they buy ram from, would sell them 2GB at nearly the same price as 1.5GB worth of chips, because they can't use .5GB chips for anyone else... so to put it into perspective, 256mb chips x 4 is one price, and 256mb chips x 8 would be another, yes they could probably get 6, but the ratio of price per chip would be higher in all likely hood.
lwilliams3
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That is very interesting if true. Can you get a link where that quote was from?z0m3le said:
As for the RAM, I believe that final specs may depend on the feedback of the developers.
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