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[bgassassin]

So the 360 is going to end up being the second most profitable video game home console of all time and you think Microsoft is going to abandon the business?

The out of control snowball rolling down the hill that is this thread just keeps getting bigger and more out of control by the day.

Yes because it was obviously a Nintendo fanboy slanted comment. *rollseyes*

Pardon my ignorance as I haven't seen anything to show the 360 is on track to be the second most profitable home console of all time. Would you help me out to see the information that this claim is based on?

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Exactly, there isn't anything to get excited for when you don't know what games are coming to it, the only reason people like me are excited is because I'm imagining what might be available. Everyone has to wait till June to know if their faith or lack thereof is justified.

The calm before the storm.

Believe.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Yes because it was obviously a Nintendo fanboy slanted comment. *rollseyes*

Pardon my ignorance as I haven't seen anything to show the 360 is on track to be the second most profitable home console of all time. Would you help me out to see the information that this claim is based on?

I'd also like to see these numbers.

 

[Nibel]

So the 360 is going to end up being the second most profitable video game home console of all time and you think Microsoft is going to abandon the business?

The out of control snowball rolling down the hill that is this thread just keeps getting bigger and more out of control by the day.

Learn your numbers and come back

 

[bigtroyjon]

I don't expect Microsoft to exit ( I don't think any of the big 3 will, for a long while at least) but I didn't know the 360 was the second most profitable ever. I thought the PS2 and Wii were tops.

It's not at this point in time but since they are making a billion+ dollars a year it's going to pass the PS2 before it's done. PS2 didn't have the hardware margins or internet revenue that is making MS so much money right now.

Pardon my ignorance as I haven't seen anything to show the 360 is on track to be the second most profitable home console of all time. Would you help me out to see the information that this claim is based on?

There are threads made every quarter when earnings come out. Feel free to search them out.

 

[Rösti]

In this news gloominess, I made a fake teaser poster for Retro Studios' project:

I have only got GIMP to play around with, so the text is rather dull. As for what they are actually doing, I have no idea. But I'm very eager to see what they can do with the power of Wii U, shouldn't be impossible to have something vastly more gorgeous, regarding textures and effects etc., than Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception, especially since they've got peeps from that team.

Well, I assume we just have to wait for Friday when that Assassin's Creed III feature in Nintendo Gamer will be made available. Friday, Friday, gotta get down on Friday.

 

[bgassassin]

There are threads made every quarter when earnings come out. Feel free to search them out.

You made the claim so the burden of proof is on you. My post dealt with why MS was the more likely of the three to leave the console market, not that they will.

 

[HylianTom]

Nah.. I still see us saying buh-bye to Sony before Microsoft. Especially if they continue to bleed billions per quarter and don't do any meaningful restructuring. They're being squeezed from all directions by competitors in their various product arenas, and they still seem to think that their name can command a luxury price on electronic products in a way similar to Apple.

They also seem stuck on the idea that integration of different products will save them.

If the PS4 comes out as another uber-powerful machine, that'll tell me that they haven't learned much.

No matter how things work-out, it should be fun to watch.

 

[herzogzwei1989]

Back to the subject of the GPU, if the GPU is not based on any existing Radeon, then how likely is it that it will be DX11-class (custom OpenGL of course) with Shader Model 5.0 support, rather than Shader Model 4.1 ?

Wouldn't a DX11-class, Shader Model 5.0 based GPU be more 'future proof'? Aren't DX11 GPUs much more efficient? Perhaps Nintendo just doesn't care. Yet it would make sense on so many levels.

Blu, IdeaMan, anyone?

 

[bigtroyjon]

You made the claim so the burden of proof is on you. My post dealt with why MS was the more likely of the three to leave the console market, not that they will.

Burden of proof is on me? Like I said, these companies are all public and the information is freely available. I'm not going to sit here and rehash the same information and discussions that happen every quarter when the results come out. If you want to learn more, search out those threads or wait till April when the results come out and the discussions will start all over again.

 

[jump_button]

In this news gloominess, I made a fake teaser poster for Retro Studios' project:

hope no Kotaku's are in here they post that as news

 

[Gravijah]

i hope retro are working on an ip i don't care about

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Burden of proof is on me? Like I said, these companies are all public and the information is freely available. I'm not going to sit here and rehash the same information and discussions that happen every quarter when the results come out. If you want to learn more, search out those threads or wait till April when the results come out and the discussions will start all over again.

you're basically saying you're not willing to actually back up the things you say

 

[Deleted member 10571]

i hope retro are working on an ip i don't care about

Yeah, this. Except for Donkey Kong, I hate Donkey Kong.

 

[bgassassin]

Burden of proof is on me? Like I said, these companies are all public and the information is freely available. I'm not going to sit here and rehash the same information and discussions that happen every quarter when the results come out. If you want to learn more, search out those threads or wait till April when the results come out and the discussions will start all over again.

Why bother even bringing it up then? You made the claim and then tell me to look it up. You wasted your time even posting then.

Back to the subject of the GPU, if the GPU is not based on any existing Radeon, then how likely is it that it will be DX11-class (custom OpenGL of course) with Shader Model 5.0 support, rather than Shader Model 4.1 ?

Wouldn't a DX11-class, Shader Model 5.0 based GPU be more 'future proof'? Aren't DX11 GPUs much more efficient? Perhaps Nintendo just doesn't care. Yet it would make sense on so many levels.

Blu, IdeaMan, anyone?

Well this is what I was talking about before if the UE4 rumor were true. Nintendo would make these kind of tweaks over a bump in power like some places have said, or more specifically changed the original rumor.

 

[onilink88]

Ummm, that's because they haven't shown any games.

Plus, the 3DS launch wasn't so hot and the Wii U initial unveiling was lackluster and confusing to many.

They're bringing the goods in June.

How many????

I don't know.

This is how I see it going:
- Nintendo clearing up whatever confusion it caused at E3 2011
- more details on the Nintendo Network
- more details on Wii U functionality
- A handful of first party games (and, unless it's Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Smash or whatever Monolith's working on, I don't know if I'll be all that interested)
- footage of previously announced third party games running on Wii U hardware
- a surprise third party game or two
- a handful of 3DS games

That doesn't constitute anything "spectacular" to me. And I understand that there are a bunch of unknowns (like, I hear that Nintendo's working on three new titles, and whatever third party games that are under NDA), but, still, that's all they are: unknowns.

It's not impossible that the conference could be anything mind blowing, but based what I think is going to happen right now... it just looks like it'll be a decent conference.

 

[bigtroyjon]

you're basically saying you're not willing to actually back up the things you say

Search works great, I've already backed it up.

Industry revenue this gen is much higher than it's ever been by a massive margin and the length of the cycle is really long, it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that the two leading consoles are going to end up the top two most profitable consoles in history.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

This is how I see it going:
- Nintendo clearing up whatever confusion it caused at E3 2011
- more details on the Nintendo Network
- more details on Wii U functionality
- A handful of first party games (and, unless it's Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Smash or whatever Monolith's working on, I don't know if I'll be all that interested)
- footage of previously announced third party games running on Wii U hardware
- a surprise third party game or two
- a handful of 3DS games

That doesn't constitute anything "spectacular" to me. And I understand that there are a bunch of unknowns (like, I hear that Nintendo's working on three new titles, and whatever third party games that are under NDA), but, still, that's all they are: unknowns.

It's not impossible that the conference could be anything mind blowing, but based what I think is going to happen right now... it just looks like it'll be a decent conference.

it depends what some of those games are. If we actually see a trailer for a zelda game not a tech demo, that would be spectacular. Never underestimate the power of the right games.

 

[DCharlie]

They also seem stuck on the idea that integration of different products will save them.

If the PS4 comes out as another uber-powerful machine, that'll tell me that they haven't learned much.

I think this is in danger of mucking up the Wii U thread, but again - if PS4 doesn't roll out an uber-powerful machine then i think they didn't learn anything.

If MS / Sony release modest hardware that plays right into Nintendos hands - if they go on the assumption that Nintendo is going to go low on spec then their tactic would surely be to try and paint Nintendo as "last gen"

What wins next gen will be compelling content - if Sony come in with no grand plan and limited games =THEN= they've learned nothing.

 

[schuelma]

It's not impossible that the conference could be anything mind blowing, but based what I think is going to happen right now... it just looks like it'll be a decent conference.

But your basis for what you think it will look like is based on absolutely nothing. The system will be launching like 4 months after the show. The last time Nintendo had an E3 the year a system was releasing, it was epic.

I'm not saying it is necessarily going to be a great show, but I think it is more likely possibility than a "decent" performance.

 

[HylianTom]

This is how I see it going:
- Nintendo clearing up whatever confusion it caused at E3 2011
- more details on the Nintendo Network
- more details on Wii U functionality
- A handful of first party games (and, unless it's Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Smash or whatever Monolith's working on, I don't know if I'll be all that interested)
- footage of previously announced third party games running on Wii U hardware
- a surprise third party game or two
- a handful of 3DS games

That doesn't constitute anything "spectacular" to me. And I understand that there are a bunch of unknowns (like, I hear that Nintendo's working on three new titles, and whatever third party games that are under NDA), but, still, that's all they are: unknowns.

It's not impossible that the conference could be anything mind blowing, but based what I think is going to happen right now... it just looks like it'll be a decent conference.

For the conference to be mind-blowing, I think it'll come down to these possibilities:
- final secret(s) regarding Wii U features
- surprise third-party support/titles
- a surprisingly high number of good titles being made for the console
- price and/or release date surprises
- surprise new or revived IP
- surprise regarding the console's horsepower

So basically, it all boils-down to the element of surprise. If Nintendo can get some gasps or looks of shock on people's faces, it'll be quite a good show. If not, then I'm inclined to agree with you on ranking it as "decent."

 

[Shikamaru Ninja]

That doesn't constitute anything "spectacular" to me. And I understand that there are a bunch of unknowns (like, I hear that Nintendo's working on three new titles, and whatever third party games that are under NDA), but, still, that's all they are: unknowns.

Three unknown titles?

So basically, it all boils-down to the element of surprise. If Nintendo can get some gasps or looks of shock on people's faces, it'll be quite a good show. If not, then I'm inclined to agree with you on ranking it as "decent."

No matter what. There will be some gasps and looks of shock and delight. All it takes is a slight glimpse of a 2012 game, and everyone will be dazzled. Regardless of how mediocre the launch line up ends up to be.

 

[IdeaMan]

Darksiders II CGI trailer

It's the Part 1

and btw, hello there So i've heard someone in this topic messed NeoGaf servers wires & cables and this is why the board wasn't accessible ? Who is it ? WE NEED A NAME ! ><

 

[Boerseun]

i hope retro are working on an ip i don't care about

They're the kind of studio that can make me care about something I generally really wouldn't care all that much about if someone else was doing it. Case in point being their reinventions of Metroid and Donkey Kong Country. Bring on whatever they're doing now. I'll be there for the party.

 

[Rösti]

Darksiders II CGI trailer

It's the Part 1

and btw, hello there So i've heard someone in this topic made a mess of NeoGaf servers wires & cables and this is why the board wasn't accessible ? Who is it ? WE NEED A NAME ! ><

Still no Wii U logo shown as far as I can see, but that's probably explained with the trademark problems. And really, someone messing up wires and cables, someone broke into the server farm or just overloaded something?

 

[HylianTom]

I think this is in danger of mucking up the Wii U thread, but again - if PS4 doesn't roll out an uber-powerful machine then i think they didn't learn anything.

If MS / Sony release modest hardware that plays right into Nintendos hands - if they go on the assumption that Nintendo is going to go low on spec then their tactic would surely be to try and paint Nintendo as "last gen"

What wins next gen will be compelling content - if Sony come in with no grand plan and limited games =THEN= they've learned nothing.

Well, for what it's worth, I hope that Sony aims for the heavens with another remarkably powerful machine. And I'm not at all worried that they'll won't come-up with more great content.

They'll do a fine job of keeping Nintendo on their toes.. I think that's all I'll say, lest I muck things up too much. =)

 

[bgassassin]

I just went to the B3D messageboards and a long time poster wanted me to tell you maniacs that:

Retro is definitely not working a next-gen DK. They are aggressively targeting the XBOX/PS3 demographic.

Get it together you freaking maniacs.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I think it's actually just too soon to be playing the Zelda card again.

You're going to have a lot of journalists rolling their eyes and Skyward Sword is officially considered A Bad Game on the internet, so there won't be much excitement there.

Give it a few years and then bring it back with an HD Zelda that looks better than the tech demo.

 

[herzogzwei1989]

Well this is what I was talking about before if the UE4 rumor were true. Nintendo would make these kind of tweaks over a bump in power like some places have said, or more specifically changed the original rumor.

Most likely, I guess, if I'm reading your post correctly

 

[D_prOdigy]

I hope Retro is working on a thing.

 

[herzogzwei1989]

I think it's actually just too soon to be playing the Zelda card again.

You're going to have a lot of journalists rolling their eyes and Skyward Sword is officially considered A Bad Game on the internet, so there won't be much excitement there.

Give it a few years and then bring it back with an HD Zelda that looks better than the tech demo.

I'm in the Twilight Princess camp, it's my favorite 3D Zelda by far. Skyward Sword just wasn't nearly as enjoyable, from what I've played of it (my Wii and SS were stolen so I guess it's not fair for me to judge SS too harshly). I'm in no way saying SS is "a bad game", just that I love TP a lot more. I guess I'll need to give SS another try once I have a Wii U at the end of the year.

As for Zelda HD on Wii U, I don't want it rushed, but, I also don't wanna wait another 4 1/2 years for it. So maybe fall 2014... Yeah.

 

[IdeaMan]

Still no Wii U logo shown as far as I can see, but that's probably explained with the trademark problems. And really, someone messing up wires and cables, someone broke into the server farm or just overloaded something?

Yeah no logo, and as this game was announced for Wii U (and this is a CGI trailer), it's clearly related to the NDA/software news blackout until E3 or all the Wii U name story.

Still, i'm pretty happy that this kind of titles are coming for Wii U. I bet it was frustrating for Wii-Only-Owners to have missed some cool meringues et macaroons like the first game of this franchise during this gen.

 

[Boerseun]

I hope Retro is working on a thing.

No doubt a thing is what they're working on.

 

[bgassassin]

Most likely, I guess, if I'm reading your post correctly

You are. In fact I was wondering after I responded how well it related to what you were saying though the idea was about "future-proofing".

 

[IdeaMan]

Back to the subject of the GPU, if the GPU is not based on any existing Radeon, then how likely is it that it will be DX11-class (custom OpenGL of course) with Shader Model 5.0 support, rather than Shader Model 4.1 ?

Wouldn't a DX11-class, Shader Model 5.0 based GPU be more 'future proof'? Aren't DX11 GPUs much more efficient? Perhaps Nintendo just doesn't care. Yet it would make sense on so many levels.

Blu, IdeaMan, anyone?

Well this is what I was talking about before if the UE4 rumor were true. Nintendo would make these kind of tweaks over a bump in power like some places have said, or more specifically changed the original rumor.

Yeah we talked about that earlier. The only thing that could worrying us, is the absence of some features nearly required in future HD titles, in the Wii U GPU. Even a meh situation regarding the raw calculation/rendering capacities of this component would be less preoccupying. See how a lot of entry-budgeted graphic cards can still run demanding dx11 games on PC with a solid CPU and a good amount of RAM, because they can handle the features. Ok you must lower the shadows, the AA, the distance of display, etc, but even with these sacrifices, these titles run and are still nice for a lot of them.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Darksiders II CGI trailer

It's the Part 1

and btw, hello there So i've heard someone in this topic messed NeoGaf servers wires & cables and this is why the board wasn't accessible ? Who is it ? WE NEED A NAME ! ><

Seeing Darksiders 2 mentioned in this thread reminds me of some gameplay footage that was shown GTTV around a month or so ago. It was clearly running at 60fps. That was probably footage from the PC version, but it made me hope that they'll work to get the Wii U version running at that framerate. It showed just how much framerate can impact the look of a game.

 

[Shion]

I think it's actually just too soon to be playing the Zelda card again.

You're going to have a lot of journalists rolling their eyes and Skyward Sword is officially considered A Bad Game on the internet, so there won't be much excitement there.

Give it a few years and then bring it back with an HD Zelda that looks better than the tech demo.

The thing is that, as a Zelda fan, I don't want my favorite series to look outdated. With Wii U being underpowered compared to PS4/Xbox 720, if the new Zelda comes out in (let's say) 2016 it's going to look outdated again.

We haven't got a graphically up-to-date game in the series since Wind Waker...and that was almost a decade ago.

 

[blu]

Back to the subject of the GPU, if the GPU is not based on any existing Radeon, then how likely is it that it will be DX11-class (custom OpenGL of course) with Shader Model 5.0 support, rather than Shader Model 4.1 ?

Wouldn't a DX11-class, Shader Model 5.0 based GPU be more 'future proof'? Aren't DX11 GPUs much more efficient? Perhaps Nintendo just doesn't care. Yet it would make sense on so many levels.

Blu, IdeaMan, anyone?

The chances that U-GPU shader unit is not based on any existing AMD design(s) are *counts on fingers..* well, less than a finger.

ps: mainly from reading documentation on the dx11 featureset, I think it's safe to assume that dx11 GPUs should generally be more efficient at (1) tessellation, and (2) GPGPU. outside of that it should be a fair game.

 

[Father_Brain]

I just went to the B3D messageboards and a long time poster wanted me to tell you maniacs that:



Get it together you freaking maniacs.

I hope to god this is true (unless it has a completely generic dudebro aesthetic), because I want to see Nintendo step beyond their historical competencies and actually try to compete with Sony and MS for that market.

 

[onilink88]

But your basis for what you think it will look like is based on absolutely nothing.

How so? I think I made a fair assessment in my previous post. :/

The system will be launching like 4 months after the show. The last time Nintendo had an E3 the year a system was releasing, it was epic.

See, I never place my bets on precedence.

Three unknown titles?

I could have sworn I read that somewhere in this thread.

No matter what. There will be some gasps and looks of shock and delight. All it takes is a slight glimpse of a 2012 game, and everyone will be dazzled. Regardless of how mediocre the launch line up ends up to be.

That's most certainly not all it takes to dazzle me. I'd have to actually be interested in that game(s).

it depends what some of those games are. If we actually see a trailer for a zelda game not a tech demo, that would be spectacular. Never underestimate the power of the right games.

Maybe that'd do it for some people. Not me, however. E3 2010 pounded me with game after game for both the Wii and 3DS, and I'll end up buying damn near all of 'em. And it's precisely why I, personally, hold it as the standard for a spectacular conference.

 

[herzogzwei1989]

Thx bgassassin, IdeaMan and blu for your input on this.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

The thing is that, as a Zelda fan, I don't want my favorite series to look outdated. With Wii U being underpowered compared to PS4/Xbox 720, if the new Zelda comes out in (let's say) 2016 it's going to look outdated again.

Seriously???

You care if it's inferior specs/tech-wise compared to the competition???

My goodness, Nintendo will never win.

Finally going HD??? Not good enough.

The PS3 and Xbox 360(by almost all acounts inferior to the Wii U) have really good looking games technically speaking.

By the way, art and creativity goes a long way.

I could see if it was Wii graphics but look at the Zelda tech demo.

If it ends up being that polished(it probably will be different art-wise), that would bother you compared to what the other systems have???

There comes a point where looking excellent is not going to be diminished by looking excellenter.

Or at least that's me...

 

[Deleted member 10571]

You know what I would love Retro to do next? Disaster: Day of Crisis. That would be freaking amazing.

 

[herzogzwei1989]

Seriously???

You care if it's inferior specs/tech-wise compared to the competition???

My goodness, Nintendo will never win.

Finally going HD??? Not good enough.

The PS3 and Xbox 360(by almost all acounts inferior to the Wii U) have really good looking games technically speaking.

By the way, art and creativity goes a long way.

I could see if it was Wii graphics but look at the Zelda tech demo.

If it ends up being that polished(it probably will be different art-wise), that would bother you compared to what the other systems have???

There comes a point where looking excellent is not going to be diminished by looking excellenter.

Or at least that's me...

True enough. Twilight Princess had outstanding artwork IMO, and while it couldn't compare to HD 360/PS3 games technically, it was afterall, a GameCube game. Nintendo is about to make a massive leap with Wii ===> Wii U, so HD Zelda has the potential to look 'amazing' in its own right, regardless of XB3/PS4 spec.

 

[HylianTom]

Seriously???

You care if it's inferior specs/tech-wise compared to the competition???

My goodness, Nintendo will never win.

Finally going HD??? Not good enough.

The PS3 and Xbox 360(by almost all acounts inferior to the Wii U) have really good looking games technically speaking.

By the way, art and creativity goes a long way.

I could see if it was Wii graphics but look at the Zelda tech demo.

If it ends up being that polished(it probably will be different art-wise), that would bother you compared to what the other systems have???

There comes a point where looking excellent is not going to be diminished by looking excellenter.

Or at least that's me...

I had similar thoughts about the "outdated" point.

The Wii graphics-versus-PS360 graphics comparison is going to be a much starker difference than the Wii U graphics-versus-PS720 graphics comparison. With this next generation, we'll be getting much closer to a point where we are actually picking digital nits.

Worrying about the art style would be much more valid, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[antonz]

AMD has flat out stated the GPU is based on a modern HD series line GPU. Its that simple

 

[herzogzwei1989]

I had similar thoughts about the "outdated" point.

The Wii graphics-versus-PS360 graphics comparison is going to be a much starker difference than the Wii U graphics-versus-PS720 graphics comparison. With this next generation, we'll be getting much closer to a point where we are actually picking digital nits.

Worrying about the art style would be much more valid, as far as I'm concerned.

I so badly want the artstyle used in the Wii U Zelda demo to be used in the actual game (although even better). It was like Twilight Princess on super-steroids.

 

[Anth0ny]

Seriously???

You care if it's inferior specs/tech-wise compared to the competition???

My goodness, Nintendo will never win.

Finally going HD??? Not good enough.

The PS3 and Xbox 360(by almost all acounts inferior to the Wii U) have really good looking games technically speaking.

By the way, art and creativity goes a long way.

I could see if it was Wii graphics but look at the Zelda tech demo.

If it ends up being that polished(it probably will be different art-wise), that would bother you compared to what the other systems have???

There comes a point where looking excellent is not going to be diminished by looking excellenter.

Or at least that's me...

But if Retro is actually "aggressively targeting the XBOX/PS3 demographic", that audience won't give a fuck about Wii U in 2015 if it still has "shitty" 360/PS3 level graphics.

Of course, I could care less about graphics. I'd be happy if they rehashed the Wind Waker assets and released a new game on Wii U tbh.

Spoiler

I'm just selfish and want a new Zelda ASAP

 

[wsippel]

AMD has flat out stated the GPU is based on a modern HD series line GPU. Its that simple

Nope. AMD has flat out stated that it's a modern GPU not based on any existing HD series GPU.

 

[Shion]

Seriously???

You care if it's inferior specs/tech-wise compared to the competition???

My goodness, Nintendo will never win.

Finally going HD??? Not good enough.

The PS3 and Xbox 360(by almost all acounts inferior to the Wii U) have really good looking games technically speaking.

By the way, art and creativity goes a long way.

I could see if it was Wii graphics but look at the Zelda tech demo.

If it ends up being that polished(it probably will be different art-wise), that would bother you compared to what the other systems have???

There comes a point where looking excellent is not going to be diminished by looking excellenter.

Or at least that's me...

First of all, in a game like Zelda, graphics, and hardware in general, are very important as they affect the overall dynamic of the experience.

Also, I'm sorry but Nintendo (finally) going HD and PS360 quality graphics isn't enough when we talk about an unreleased console in 2012. And it certainly isn't going to be enough in 2015 or 2016.