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[GameplayWhore]

On a bit of a tangent, I wonder why Nintendo wouldn't opt for the extra core. Quad isn't that much more daunting on a system design is it?

Perhaps, within their power or cost envelope, it was more effective to increase another aspect of the system, such as number of gpu somethings, instead of adding on the fourth core. So you get a slower cpu instead of a slower gpu, and this sacrifice affects far fewer games negatively.

 

[Azure J]

So that's 12 threads of code that can be read simultaneously?

I don't know if Nintendo opted for anything like that, but Two Way SMT was thrown around a lot meaning 3 cores with 2 threads each. The CPU is said to be pretty impressive though with the right optimization of code.

 

[GDGF]

This thread has been through hell for the past week or so, hasn't it? And E3 still seems so far away. Good to see things are getting back to normal, though.

 

[Redford]

Wasn't my point.. should explain myself better.

I meant more in the sense that if they go after the Xbox/PS3 crowds, and they end up with Cube level success, then what was the point?

Sure, ideally, people want them to have a console on that level and to sell on the level of the Wii, but that doesn't mean it will happen.

Yup. It really is that simple: everyone has made up their mind at this point on what they want to buy next gen; anyone demanding more power from Nintendo is just goading them into making a terrible mistake, pretty much just for the fun of seeing them self-destruct. They don't actually care if its powerful. Of course, if there are killer apps, there might be a change of heart.

 

[jaypah]

I guess, fans want to play the long game

Sure, Nintendo can go balls to the walls this gen, and try and compete with MS/Sony's horse power, but it will either drain the funds... or just not allow them to gain a huge marketshare like the Gamecube.

Then what? We are either back in the Wii's camp where its all or nothing, or they try it again.. and then you get into a SEGA situation.

so I'm not a fan, lol? I just don't see why it has to be either shitty specs and billions for Ninty or renderfarm and Ninty being penniless and sucking dicks for cigarette butts in an alley. Can't there be a middle ground? My house is a damn Nintendo shrine (my GF also loves Nintendo) but I think they could better satisfy both sides and not go out of business. People say that this thread is full of crazy people defending Ninty mercilessly but I don't see it that way. I'm just trying to understand why some of you seem to LIKE the idea of underpowered hardware, almost to the point of championing it? Nintendo is not Sega they could make it work. And please understand that I'm not trying to disrupt this thread.

Yup. It really is that simple: everyone has made up their mind at this point on what they want to buy next gen; anyone demanding more power from Nintendo is just goading them into making a terrible mistake, pretty much just for the fun of seeing them self-destruct. They don't actually care if its powerful. Of course, if there are killer apps, there might be a change of heart.

The fu.....? Nevermind. See you guys/gals on NN.

 

[guek]

Yup. It really is that simple: everyone has made up their mind at this point on what they want to buy next gen; anyone demanding more power from Nintendo is just goading them into making a terrible mistake, pretty much just for the fun of seeing them self-destruct. They don't actually care if its powerful. Of course, if there are killer apps, there might be a change of heart.

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not.

In any case, I don't think people are saying nintendo shouldn't make a powerful console, just that in this day and age, directly competing against Sony and MS on the hardware front would be a fool's errand for Nintendo. The risk is simply too high at this point.

so I'm not a fan, lol? I just don't see why it has to be either shitty specs and billions for Ninty or renderfarm and Ninty being penniless and sucking dicks for cigarette butts in an alley. Can't there be a middle ground? My house is a damn Nintendo shrine (my GF also loves Nintendo) but I think they could better satisfy both sides and not go out of business. People say that this thread is full of crazy people defending Ninty mercilessly but I don't see it that way. I'm just trying to understand why some of you seem to LIKE the idea of underpowered hardware, almost to the point of championing it? Nintendo is not Sega they could make it work. And please understand that I'm not trying to disrupt this thread.

No worries. Keep posting, it makes for decent discussion. I completely agree with you that there's a respectable middle ground to be had, but where that is precisely probably differs from person to person. The main thing is Nintendo can't heavily subsidize their hardware for a long term goal, and it'd be an especially baffling move for them since they'd almost certainly end up making less money.

 

[Redford]

No, I'm not being sarcastic.

What I meant is that all the people slagging Nintendo for not blowing away the competition were never really going to give it a chance even if Nintendo did what they said.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not.

In any case, I don't think people are saying nintendo shouldn't make a powerful console, just that in this day and age, directly competing against Sony and MS on the hardware front would be a fool's errand for Nintendo. The risk is simply too high at this point.

one important distinction that has to be made is that there are people like me who aren't saying nintendo needs to make a POWERFUL console. All I'm saying is they should make a CAPABLE one.

There's a big difference between the two. You don't have to have the most expensive running shoes to win the race, but you certainly can't show up in fucking loafers. NAHMEAN. Esentially DQing yourself because that's how you're comfortable.

 

[Penguin]

so I'm not a fan, lol? I just don't see why it has to be either shitty specs and billions for Ninty or renderfarm and Ninty being penniless and sucking dicks for cigarette butts in an alley. Can't there be a middle ground? My house is a damn Nintendo shrine (my GF also loves Nintendo) but I think they could better satisfy both sides and not go out of business. People say that this thread is full of crazy people defending Ninty mercilessly but I don't see it that way. I'm just trying to understand why some of you seem to LIKE the idea of underpowered hardware, almost to the point of championing it? Nintendo is not Sega they could make it work. And please understand that I'm not trying to disrupt this thread.

1)I wasn't implying you or anyone was more of a fan, but I wanted to use a term for the other side.

2) I'm not saying that its one end or the other, but most people (here or else where) its either one way or the other. I think we're just in that point of speculation. Word is the Wii U is on par or weaker than the ps3/360 and the folks who were burnt by the Wii believe that because its Nintendo's recent MO. Word comes out that its 2-3x better.. and folks don't think its enough... or its too much of a jump to expect from Nintendo.

Honestly, I would wait to see what they have at e3 before making any claim on the console's power.

 

[AceBandage]

one important distinction that has to be made is that there are people like me who aren't saying nintendo needs to make a POWERFUL console. All I'm saying is they should make a CAPABLE one.

There's a big difference between the two. You don't have to have the most expensive running shoes to win the race, but you certainly can't show up in fucking loafers. NAHMEAN. Esentially DQing yourself because that's how you're comfortable.

And I seriously doubt the Wii U won't be capable. It may be a bit trickier for low tier devs, but it'll be a nice little beast.

 

[GameplayWhore]

so I'm not a fan, lol? I just don't see why it has to be either shitty specs and billions for Ninty or renderfarm and Ninty being penniless and sucking dicks for cigarette butts in an alley. Can't there be a middle ground? My house is a damn Nintendo shrine (my GF also loves Nintendo) but I think they could better satisfy both sides and not go out of business. People say that this thread is full of crazy people defending Ninty mercilessly but I don't see it that way. I'm just trying to understand why some of you seem to LIKE the idea of underpowered hardware, almost to the point of championing it? Nintendo is not Sega they could make it work. And please understand that I'm not trying to disrupt this thread..

My impression is that Nintendo is pursuing a middle ground (performance as high as possible within a particular cost ceiling similar to or higher than all their consoles preceding the Wii), but a lot of gaming hobbyists have been trained to feel that it is normal for (A) consoles to be phenomenally more expensive than they used to be, and (B) companies to price their main products well below cost. This is a game that Nintendo cannot win, because the most powerful machine Nintendo could possibly make in what they consider a reasonable price bracket (I'm guessing $300, though that exceeds what I personally consider reasonable) without taking heavy losses per console would be considered a very poor performing machine by the enthusiast market.

It's just one of those things.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

And I seriously doubt the Wii U won't be capable. It may be a bit trickier for low tier devs, but it'll be a nice little beast.

I'm hoping for the same but I don't believe anything at this point. Hell even if Epic and everyone say UE4 WORKS or it's highly scalable, porting should be NO PROBLEMMMM and all that, I don't believe anything until I see actual shit being made for it and whatnot.

No more theoreticals and words. Me wants shit.

 

[Azure J]

one important distinction that has to be made is that there are people like me who aren't saying nintendo needs to make a POWERFUL console. All I'm saying is they should make a CAPABLE one.

There's a big difference between the two. You don't have to have the most expensive running shoes to win the race, but you certainly can't show up in fucking loafers. NAHMEAN. Esentially DQing yourself because that's how you're comfortable.

Pretty much how I feel too. Nice analogy by the way. :lol

 

[AceBandage]

I think the fact that they want UE4 to run in Flash is a pretty good indicator where we'll see the engine go.

 

[Saint Gregory]

And I seriously doubt the Wii U won't be capable. It may be a bit trickier for low tier devs, but it'll be a nice little beast.

I haven't been keeping up with the thread like I used to but I wouldn't be shocked at this point if Nintendo scaled back their initial plans for the Wii U due to the early troubles the 3DS had.

If their plan was to release a $399 console with minimal hardware losses but have instead decided to release a $299 console with minimal losses it could have a serious impact on what we would consider to be a capable machine.

 

[AceBandage]

I haven't been keeping up with the thread like I used to but I wouldn't be shocked at this point if Nintendo hasn't scaled by their initial plans for the Wii U due to the early troubles the 3DS had.

If their plan was to release a $399 console with minimal hardware losses but have instead decided to release a $299 console with minimal losses it could have a serious impact on what we would consider to be a capable machine.

The problem with the 3DS wasn't that they were charging $250.
It was that they were charging $250 when they should have charged far less.
The Wii U, however, should be priced far closer to cost, and will have two distinct advantages over the 3DS.

1. Timing. Launching closer to Black Friday and the Holidays means it'll sell out.

2. Launch Line Up. It'll be by far, one of the better lineups around, just by virtue of getting so many great games from multiplatforms.

That would also go against everything we've heard that actually said the exact opposite at the beginning of this year, that kits got a boost in power, and not a scale down.

 

[TwilightPrincess]

I haven't been keeping up with the thread like I used to but I wouldn't be shocked at this point if Nintendo scaled back their initial plans for the Wii U due to the early troubles the 3DS had.

If their plan was to release a $399 console with minimal hardware losses but have instead decided to release a $299 console with minimal losses it could have a serious impact on what we would consider to be a capable machine.

Gearbox recently said that it gets better and better for developers since the alphakit and they are very happy with the hardware Vigil statements depressed some GAFers, but there are hints that their engine runs like shit because it is/was not adjusted/customized for the hardware.

 

[ColdBlooder]

People on NeoGAF tend to forget that videogames is Nintendos ONLY buissness. They cant afford not making any money for a whole generation like Sony and Microsoft.

Nintendo has Investors. When Nintendo is not making a profit, inverstors wont see money. You dont want to piss off your investors!

Sony and Microsoft on the other hand, have alot of other divisions. So if the gaming division ends a console lifecycle in the red, other divisions that did better can cover for it. (especially Microsoft. Their richer than god).

Nintendo does not have this huge advantage!

 

[Shiggy]

The problem with the 3DS wasn't that they were charging $250.
It was that they were charging $250 when they should have charged far less.
The Wii U, however, should be priced far closer to cost, and will have two distinct advantages over the 3DS.

1. Timing. Launching closer to Black Friday and the Holidays means it'll sell out.

2. Launch Line Up. It'll be by far, one of the better lineups around, just by virtue of getting so many great games from multiplatforms.

That would also go against everything we've heard that actually said the exact opposite at the beginning of this year, that kits got a boost in power, and not a scale down.

Who's buying a 300EUR console for multiplatform games when there are much cheaper alternatives available for 200EUR?

 

[AceBandage]

Who's buying a 300EUR console for multiplatform games when there are much cheaper alternatives available for 200EUR?

You'd be surprised, actually.
People are sheep.

They only have to be told that it's the "best version of Xgame" and they'll buy it.

 

[ColdBlooder]

Who's buying a 300EUR console for multiplatform games when there are much cheaper alternatives available for 200EUR?

I woudn't be surprised if Nintendo plans on selling at a loss for the first 1 or 2 years, just to get the install base up pretty quickly.

thats why 199$/€ is a possible launch price aswell. Then bring one or 2 great 1st/2nd party and the most 3rd party titles that come out around that time at launch day and their goldem IMO.

 

[AceBandage]

I woudn't be surprised if Nintendo plans on selling at a loss for the first 1 or 2 years, just to get the install base up pretty quickly.

i wouldnt even rule 199$/€ out the window because of that. Then bring one or 2 great 1st/2nd party and the most 3rd party titles that come out around that time at launch day and theit goldem IMO.

No way is it going to be $200...
$250, maybe. Closer to $300 is more realistic.

 

[guek]

Who's buying a 300EUR console for multiplatform games when there are much cheaper alternatives available for 200EUR?

Well with nintendo consoles, the point isn't having multiplats be the incentive, it's about having multiplats available for people who play nintendo games or other exclusives.

 

[Saint Gregory]

The problem with the 3DS wasn't that they were charging $250.
It was that they were charging $250 when they should have charged far less.
The Wii U, however, should be priced far closer to cost, and will have two distinct advantages over the 3DS.

1. Timing. Launching closer to Black Friday and the Holidays means it'll sell out.

2. Launch Line Up. It'll be by far, one of the better lineups around, just by virtue of getting so many great games from multiplatforms.

That would also go against everything we've heard that actually said the exact opposite at the beginning of this year, that kits got a boost in power, and not a scale down.

I know that the two situations aren't completely the same but it's hard not to imagine Nintendo being gun shy about a $399 price point and that about where I would guess the U would be right now with this gen * 1.5 and a tablet controller. Nintendo's engineers have proven to be wizards at times though.

Gearbox recently said that it gets better and better for developers since the alphakit

There's been so much contradictory info lately but to be honest I stopped caring a while ago which is why I wasn't following the thread as closely.

Whatever Nintendo settles on I'll deal with it because I'm a sucker for their games. I've got a PC that I can keep upgrading to satisfy the graphics whore in me in they come up short in that area.

 

[Redford]

You'd be surprised, actually.
People are sheep.

They only have to be told that it's the "best version of Xgame" and they'll buy it.

People are cheap, too. I don't think the point works for or against Nintendo, in any case.

Because you get to play Nintendo's games as well? Definitely worth the extra 100 bucks as far as I'm concerned.

That is a good point though, and probably the best thing Nintendo has going for it.

 

[HylianTom]

I woudn't be surprised if Nintendo plans on selling at a loss for the first 1 or 2 years, just to get the install base up pretty quickly.

i wouldnt even rule 199$/€ out the window because of that. Then bring one or 2 great 1st/2nd party and the most 3rd party titles that come out around that time at launch day and theit goldem IMO.

I was convinced about $350, but have no clue now. $300 maybe?

 

[ColdBlooder]

No way is it going to be $200...
$250, maybe. Closer to $300 is more realistic.

Gamecube launched for 199 and was pretty powerful for its time!

Im just saying i could see this happening, 250/300 is more likely, you are right with that

 

[SaintMadeOfPlaster]

Who's buying a 300EUR console for multiplatform games when there are much cheaper alternatives available for 200EUR?

Because you get to play Nintendo's games as well? Definitely worth the extra 100 bucks as far as I'm concerned.

 

[AceBandage]

Gamecube launched for 199 and was pretty powerful for its time!

Im just saying i could see this happening, 250/300 is more likely, you are right with that

$199 would probably be one hell of a loss for them. More than they've ever taken on anything. I don't see it happening.
It'll be far closer to breaking even, like the GC was.

 

[antonz]

200 is a crackheads dream. 250 is even pushing it. Probably costing 30-40 for Nintendo to make the controller alone.

 

[HylianTom]

200 is a crackheads dream. 250 is even pushing it. Probably costing 30-40 for Nintendo to make the controller alone.

Exactly.. the controller is going to keep this price from going too low. Depends on the controller's final features.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Gonna guess $300 with controller dock, wiimote + nunchuck, and a collection of minigames.

 

[NeoGohan]

http://www.dailychanges.com/nstld.com/2012-04-04/#transferred-in

"supermario4.com"


:O

 

[ColdBlooder]

$199 would probably be one hell of a loss for them. More than they've ever taken on anything. I don't see it happening.
It'll be far closer to breaking even, like the GC was.

Dont forget that the components, while more powerful than current gen, seem to be no "highest end" chips.

a 199$/€ launchprice would surely stir things up right from the getgo. Why not making the life of Xbox360 and PS3 a hell of a lot worse while being faster and alot cheaper than the 720/ps3

The xbox 360 does make money now and costs 175€ over here (4GB model). while being "2x to 3x" more poweful, selling at 199€ while taking a loss for a short time period may be doable. Not sure about it though.

Just keep in mind that i think 249, 300 max is way more realistic tough. Dont want anybody say "haha, i told ya its not 199!!!" when we get the launch details

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Gonna guess $300 with controller dock, wiimote + nunchuck, and a collection of minigames.

I'm gonna guess the same, 299.99, but no wiimote.

 

[lednerg]

http://www.dailychanges.com/nstld.com/2012-04-04/#transferred-in

"supermario4.com"


:O

Doooood

 

[AceBandage]

Gonna guess $300 with controller dock, wiimote + nunchuck, and a collection of minigames.

I'd be surprised by a WiiMote+Nunchuck, actually.

http://www.dailychanges.com/nstld.com/2012-04-04/#transferred-in

"supermario4.com"


:O

More likely a placeholder for the new 3DS game.

 

[ColdBlooder]

http://www.dailychanges.com/nstld.com/2012-04-04/#transferred-in

"supermario4.com"


:O

Registered by Nintendo of America :O

May be the new sidescroller mario for the 3DS though... We know this is coming because it was announced already

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

I'd be surprised by a WiiMote+Nunchuck, actually.
More likely a placeholder for the new 3DS game.

indeed

 

[GDGF]

Gonna guess $300 with controller dock, wiimote + nunchuck, and a collection of minigames.

Best guess me thinks.

 

[ColdBlooder]

Could NSMB Mii be a pack in game for the WiiU?

This would be HUGE! You'd have a Mario game at launch and 3rd partys wouldn't have to directly compete with a Mario title on day freakin 1...

 

[Bagu]

Wiimote in the box might give it a decent chance at actually being used

 

[AceBandage]

Could NSMB Mii be a pack in game for the WiiU?

This would be HUGE! You'd have a Mario game at launch and 3rd partys wouldn't have to directly compete with a Mario title on day freakin 1...

I'm still not betting on a Mario game at launch. It doesn't matter how much YOU guys think they need it, they simply don't.
Having said that, even if it magically does exist at the time the system launches, there is no way in all the loving hells in the universe would it be packed in with the system as anything more than a demo amongst several high profile third party demos.

 

[BD1]

Could NSMB Mii be a pack in game for the WiiU?

This would be HUGE! You'd have a Mario game at launch and 3rd partys wouldn't have to directly compete with a Mario title on day freakin 1...

No way. The selling power of NSMB is too great to pack in. People will buy Wii U to play NSMB Mii already, there's no reason to rob yourself of an additional $59.99. Pack-in Mii Play.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Mario game won't be packed in for sheezy. And now that it looks like November 18th could be the release date, a mario game + christmas time = omgwtffffffff.

No need to pack it in at all.

 

[ColdBlooder]

No way. The selling power of NSMB is too great to pack in. People will buy Wii U to play NSMB Mii already, there's no reason to rob yourself of an additional $59.99. Pack-in Mii Play.

Wouldn't packing in "Mii Play" scare the core games away that Nintendo wants to win back?

 

[Redford]

Wii U Golf and I'm happy. Hope they really give the full experience.

 

[AceBandage]

Wouldn't packing in "Mii Play" scare the core games away that Nintendo wants to win back?

I also don't think they'll pack that in either.
They'll do like with the 3DS. Pack in some little minigames that show off the system's capabilities.

 

[guek]

No way. The selling power of NSMB is too great to pack in. People will buy Wii U to play NSMB Mii already, there's no reason to rob yourself of an additional $59.99. Pack-in Mii Play.

Pack in New Super Mario Bros. Mii with the console and release New! Super Mario World a year later.

 

[ColdBlooder]

I also don't think they'll pack that in either.
They'll do like with the 3DS. Pack in some little minigames that show off the system's capabilities.

I want dat garden demo Maybe you could control the bird with the wiimote/upad (wichever you'd prefer) and change the weather with a buttonpress.

Moving the Upad changes the direction and the Upad screen displays the birds eye view. Then add a few objectives (Land on diffrent objects, fly through diffrent things, etc...)

Add a demo mode that runs all by itself and that is all the pack in i would need

Man that would be sweet.