AceBandage
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Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto
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Rösti
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Now even Forbes is reporting the Forget the Box article about the $180 price tag of the Wii U components: http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2012/04/09/rumors-put-a-price-tag-on-the-wii-u/
It doesn't really need to have any significance at all, but Forbes has got a huge reputation.
It doesn't really need to have any significance at all, but Forbes has got a huge reputation.
-Pyromaniac-
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the more I think about it the more I think that it will be very hard for Nintendo to sell their console above 299. I bet that ends up being it.Rösti;36783197 said:
bgassassin
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It's kind of hard to say you missed it when it wasn't really public. Though brain_stew recently changed that in one of those other threads. But like Stevie_P said, that GPU doesn't match with what I had heard and confirmed from a few places.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Can someone give me a link to that IGN/Fudzilla PS4 under par rumour?
I've googled, but I can't see it anywhere.
I've googled, but I can't see it anywhere.
Fjolle
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I'm pretty sure that nobody would shoot a commercial that far in advance to it being needed.
Hero of Legend
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Wasn't there a locked thread of that like from yesterday?
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
I'm sceptical about everything, but I post rumours just to generate discussion.
Rösti;36783197 said:
Time Magazine reporting it too.
http://techland.time.com/2012/04/09/how-much-for-that-wii-u-in-the-window/
So is Digital Trends and IGN.
I was reading Digital Trends article and they mentioned how Nintendo Wii cost $156 to manufacture and retailed at $250. So if that's the case, $180 manufacturing cost retailing around $300 doesn't sound far fetched.
I think selling this in a mass market product for $299 at the highest would be a very logical strategy for Nintendo to take. If this is what we're getting, I'm not surprised in the least. I've been expecting Wii U to be a successor to Wii in technological philosophy for a long while now and I'm surprised so many people aren't.
I think Sony will make a smaller jump than many were expecting or hoping, but I think they'll easily outclass Wii U.
Yeah, often there's a good reason for that.
Yeah, or a Miyamoto interview, as some have suggested.
The timing of the issue made me optimistic. It should be sent out a week after the investor conference and a month before E3, so it's conceivable that Nintendo will soon pull back the curtain and gave Edge an exclusive. But with the secrecy Nintendo are keeping with Wii U, I guess that's unlikely.
-Pyromaniac-
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lol people still don't get that BG knows more than he lets on.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Thank You.
Saint Gregory
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I think Nintendo is hoping (again) that 3rd party devs will be reasonable next gen and not allow development cost to explode on the same level that they did this gen. At the same time I don't think they want to repeat their mistake with the Wii and make the Wii U so underpowered that it even stifles the efforts of their 1st party devs.Rösti;36782459 said:
I don't know enough about console development to make a judgment but I don't believe that Nintendo would be completely locked into the final specs for the Wii U yet and they may still be making adjustments to the components to try to satisfy their strategy going forward.
ColdBlooder
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Propably for the investers meeting or more likely E3. Not a TV commercial...
Edit: Beaten like Roseanne Bar fighting pregnant monkey aliens from space with a pogo stick!
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Yep. Could be another "look what the subscreen can do" thing
bgassassin
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I'm cool with it. It let's me drop hints without them being picked up on.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=33512107&postcount=15421
The leaked manufacturing price for Wii includes $19.80 as the cost of manufacturing (and the Wii U will be a little more complex to assemble because of the padlet. People guess that an iPhone's assembled for $10, if you want to add the padlet on to the manufacturing price.) The Wii U's $180 is just an estimated bill of materials. ETA: Oh, and the Wii was sold for $199.95 wholesale according to that "leak."
My highest expectation for next month's Edge is a Miyamoto interview where he asks us all to look forward to E3, where he'll talk about his brand new game. Just a small tease to send the hype train into over drive.
-Pyromaniac-
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damnn son that was way back when too lol, and it's funny because not much has changed overall since then.
ColdBlooder
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A usb2 drive delivers 20-25mb/sec, why the high demand for usb3? usb2 performance is about 4.X to 5x speed BLU RAY drive... (PS3 has 2x blu ray drive)
My downloads are 3.8mb/sec MAX (on a 32mbit line wich theoretically allows upto 4mb/sec)
Long term third-party support jeopardized, yet again?
You know there is nothing to talk about when "pro" sites take rumours from blogs and fansites. I just went on wiiu daily who wrote about wiiu launch date and got reported on many others sites, just to see it mentioning the wiiu racing game rumour from the awful dualpixels.com.
So it can be forbes or whatever, when they take a rumour too and don't add their eventual source to agree, we're just as uninformed as before.
So it can be forbes or whatever, when they take a rumour too and don't add their eventual source to agree, we're just as uninformed as before.
bgassassin
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Yeah. Main change being MS apparently being talked up to 4GB. Wii U's GPU still seems like the wildcard with that.
Current Blu-ray drives are already close to USB 2.0 ports.
USB 2.0 = 60MB/s
12x Blu-ray = 54MB/s
USB 3.0 - 625MB/s
With the continued shift to HDD installs, making sure it has USB 3.0 would be very important IMO.
Nintendo doomed as always.
With Vettel?
If it is real it is not a "look what the subscreen can do video".
Someone like Vettel costs and such a cost can only be justified with a real game not a demo.
Father_Brain
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I'm sure there'll be some Wii U news of interest from the investor briefing, but I don't expect any big reveals until E3 itself. If I'm wrong, then I get to be pleasantly surprised.
Besides, with the WiiU having more RAM than the PS3/360, similar read speeds to these consoles means more loading times.
Killzone2.gif
Did I miss something? Search has short-term memory loss, so the thread is unreachable that way.
Was it closed? Can I have a link to it?
ColdBlooder
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So what makes you even think Nintendo will use a 12x drive?
Wii uses a 6x dvd drive and there were already way faster once out there in 2005 / early 06, when this may would have been decided. And yes, they were cheap enough back in the day. Im pretty confident to say that WiiU wont allow HDD install anyway. Sorry, just stating the most obvious solution
Nintendo drives are usually so quiet that you dont need a hdd install anyway. Xbox 360 on the other hand is like standing next to a leaf blower... (The old FAT one)
Even with hdd install you would still require the disc. With a quiet drive there wouldnt be much of an advantage...
-Pyromaniac-
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for some reason I don't see them going with 4gb, shouldn't MS be the company trying to keep costs lowest due to packing in something like kinect? And now thy're including a bluray player in that shit, probably more hard drive space. 4GB just seems over the top, especially if the other 2 are around 1.5-2.
Why? Don't developers have to consider the lowest common denominator?
Which would be that many wont bother with purchasing HDDs?
So what benefit would USB3 have if the game is designed for running off a disc?
And if they are using special compression techniques, then wouldn't USB3 be overkill?
Oh my God, it WAS closed!
The irrational me would say: "Someone higher up at GAF clearly can't take a RUMOUR that the PS4 won't be such an upgrade over this generation and closed it while he can certainly take those kind of rumours when Nintendo is involved."
Buuuuuuuut, I have to go with: "It was a copy/paste of a IGN rumour, so it really didn't have any right to exist in the first place."
Yeah, nothing to see here.
The irrational me would say: "Someone higher up at GAF clearly can't take a RUMOUR that the PS4 won't be such an upgrade over this generation and closed it while he can certainly take those kind of rumours when Nintendo is involved."
Buuuuuuuut, I have to go with: "It was a copy/paste of a IGN rumour, so it really didn't have any right to exist in the first place."
Yeah, nothing to see here.
TheExplodingHead
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So what makes you even think Nintendo will use a 12x drive?
Wii uses a 6x dvd drive and there were already way faster once out there in 2005 / early 06, when this may would have been decided. And yes, they were cheap enough back in the day. Im pretty confident to say that WiiU wont allow HDD install anyway. Sorry, just stating the most obvious solution
Nintendo drives are usually so quiet that you dont need a hdd install anyway. Xbox 360 on the other hand is like standing next to a leaf blower... (The old FAT one)
Even with hdd install you would still require the disc. With a quiet drive there wouldnt be much of an advantage...
360 installs weren't opted primarily for noise...
I'm just surprised Microsoft is going this route. 360 exploded because Kinect was available on a console with a truly mass market price. If they think Kinect 2.0 is going to drive sales of a $399 machine, they might be in for a rude awakening.
I think Sony would be wise to flip the tables on them and spec closer to Wii U; making 720 the most expensive option on the market and the most costly to develop for.
ColdBlooder
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To make one thing clear: Im not saying they wont incorporate USB3. Would be cool if they would.
The thing is, Nintendo is all about a simple machine with an excellent gaming experience. I just dont see "HDD install" fit that profile.
And if HDD install will be realised but via USB2, the numbers i postet show that it isnt going to be as slow as alot of people on gaf make it seem.
The thing is, Nintendo is all about a simple machine with an excellent gaming experience. I just dont see "HDD install" fit that profile.
And if HDD install will be realised but via USB2, the numbers i postet show that it isnt going to be as slow as alot of people on gaf make it seem.
TheExplodingHead
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Problem isn't HDD installs as it pertains to USB2.0, where installs are opted for increased speeds and faster loading. The problem lies with USB2.0 being slower than the stock DVD-Rom (reading/loading), so DD/DLC/patches/VC/WiiUWare would be a bit slower than the stock DVD. This creates issues when said DLC is supposed to run in tandem with a retail disk, creating a slow-to-fast situation where loading is concerned.
And USB2.0 IS as slow as people think. Go try to load a 360 ISO off of a JTAG 360 off a USB2.0 HDD and see how the loading times are 3x as long as they would be on the DVD-drive or internal HDD.
Father_Brain
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bgassassin
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Nintendo has been good about loading times with their disc drives, but I see this being the first gen that changes some.
So what makes you even think Nintendo will use a 12x drive?
Wii uses a 6x dvd drive and there were already way faster once out there in 2005 / early 06, when this may would have been decided. And yes, they were cheap enough back in the day. Im pretty confident to say that WiiU wont allow HDD install anyway. Sorry, just stating the most obvious solution
Nintendo drives are usually so quiet that you dont need a hdd install anyway. Xbox 360 on the other hand is like standing next to a leaf blower... (The old FAT one)
Even with hdd install you would still require the disc. With a quiet drive there wouldnt be much of an advantage...
I don't really expect that speed either, but with Nintendo being big on loading times they will push it as best as possible. And even then I don't see it being good enough. With Nintendo appeasing 3rd parties, I would disagree on HDD installs being banned. I expect them to be allowed and preferred by 3rd parties. And USB 2.0 even compared to current internal drives won't cut it. With Nintendo allowing the usage of external HDDs, there's no need to bottleneck them.
ColdBlooder
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But the other IGN RUMOR thread is still open... so i would suggest you'd go with the other option. It's unfortunate but let me put it this way... Anti Nintendo stuff is tolerated a-freakin-lot more on NeoGAF than anti Sony/Microsoft stuff...
We all want this:
Such a BA.
Who is that and what game is he from?
Yeah, look at the 360:
Halo3
GoW2
There were some games where installs benefited, but, its all how developers program the game. And Im sure that Nintendo prefers to solve loading times with caching and compression, and having developers make use of it, than to spend extra money on 2 to 4 USB3 ports and developers getting lazy about their load times.
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