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[YoungHav]

Why is Sony concerned about GAF's iranian election thread?

 

[jelly]

wikileaks shouldn't have done this.

 

[Vampirolol]

Wonder how many times they quoted "X just shot themself in the foot.." and took it seriously.

 

[Fezan]

This may be sunny next Xperia

 

[Kinyou]

I don't get why wikileaks would do this

Before Wikileaks no one knew US bombed in Afghanistan ? Or was it the amazing reveal that people die in bombings ?

In April, a classified video of the 12 July 2007 Baghdad airstrike was released, showing two Reuters employees being fired at, after the pilots mistakenly thought the men were carrying weapons, which were in fact cameras.[164] After the mistaken killing, the video shows U.S. forces firing on a family van that stopped to pick up the bodies, constituting a war crime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks#2010

 

[S¡mon]

While I must admit that I've looked through a number of documents and emails myself, I still feel like it is wrong that Wikileaks even publishes all these documents with an easy "search tool". And while you could argue that their argument about "finding out about the ties between multinationals and governments" allows for the release of these documents, there is also a shitload of personal information in these documents and emails.

I've literally stumbled across emails where employees are talking about their kids. Or where someone is sharing his/her personal Gmail. Or stuff as simple as placing an order on Amazon.

I, and no one else, should need to know stuff about some stranger's childs. There is no need for me to know someone's personal email address that he/she uses for communications between family and friends. And I don't need to know what and when someone ordered something on Amazon.

I realise I am part of the problem (because, hey, I looked through the documents)... but I hope everyone here at least thinks carefully about which documents and emails they post here. Anything with private personal information shouldn't be posted in my opinion.

Thanks for reading.

 

[MisterFalcon]

I don't get why wikileaks would do this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks#2010

That's Baghdad in Iraq, nor is it a bombing. And what exactly was accomplished with that leak ?

It's also not just the Apache pilots thinking they were carrying weapons, they were.

The video depicts one armed with an AK variant, another with an RPG and one carried an additional RPG round. Among the group were two Iraqi war correspondents working for Reuters, Saeed Chmagh and Namir Noor-Eldeen, who had come to photograph an American Humvee under attack by the Mahdi Army.

How is this any different from a journalist embedded with ISIS getting blown up by an Iranian airstrike ?

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

Wow didn't know GAF had such influence on Sony!
If so Neogaf slogan should change from Believe into we control all!

 

[Kinyou]

That's Baghdad in Iraq, nor is it a bombing. And what exactly was accomplished with that leak ?

It's also not just the Apache pilots thinking they were carrying weapons, they were.

What was accomplished by classifying the video and not informing the public?

 

[Oersted]

So GAf is to blame for Amazing Spiderman 2 and breaking Will Smith. How deep does the rabbithole go?

 

[TheSeks]

—They are making a Monkees movie with Simon Cowell(?), but it's called the Monkeys and they are like CGI musical monkeys. Wanted Edgar Wright to direct.

Since you're reading apparently, Sony:

Let me save you some time on a project. You see the above? Shit can it. Especially the bold.

Do a Monkee's biopic or whatever, A-okay. Doing it with CGI monkeys for comedy or whatever? So goddamn stupid I don't want to put my butt in a seat.

wikileaks shouldn't have done this.

Outside of not scrubbing social numbers from names of employees(? I haven't checked to see if they did) I see nothing wrong with this. The information from the gigs of data the people stole would've been out there eventually. Journalists already had it and picked at it.

 

[Joni]

Outside of not scrubbing social numbers from names of employees(? I haven't checked to see if they did) I see nothing wrong with this. The information from the gigs of data the people stole would've been out there eventually. Journalists already had it and picked at it.

And they realized a lot of these mails contained personal stuff, not relevant stuff or just highly sensitive employement details that have no value to anybody but assholes and scammers.

 

[lawful]

So GAf is to blame for Amazing Spiderman 2 and breaking Will Smith. How deep does the rabbithole go?

I'm not sure, what is the current sales figures on PS4 consoles and please also grab me a list of 1080p/60fps games for it and any other habitually regurgitated arguments I still hear nearly two years in.

Really the rabbit hole goes beyond here since IGN and most gaming websites basically drool at the opportunity to quote unverified supposedly insider comments here as 'news'.

With great bias comes great fanboyism?

 

[TheSeks]

And they realized a lot of these mails contained personal stuff, not relevant stuff or just highly sensitive employement details that have no value to anybody but assholes and scammers.

And if wikileaks wasn't the one to leak it, someone else would've. Is what I'm getting at. Wikileaks at least could scrub sensitive personal information out of the e-mails before releasing, but given they're all about "100% transparency" it seems like that'd fly in the face of their M.O.

 

[Nivash]

And if wikileaks wasn't the one to leak it, someone else would've. Is what I'm getting at. Wikileaks at least could scrub sensitive personal information out of the e-mails before releasing, but given they're all about "100% transparency" it seems like that'd fly in the face of their M.O.

What kind of bankrupt moral policy is that? "Hey, someone would eventually do it, why not us, with our superior reputation - and while we're at it, why not make it easily searchable too!".

There's absolutely no justification for doing this. They're not exposing war crimes, corruption, corporate crime or even unethical hiring practices. They're doing it because they can and because they know it will get them into the spotlight again. And their "M.O." is just a poor excuse for screwing people over. What harm would it do to at the very least censor names and only release them on demand if there is a justifiable need?

WikiLeaks is done as far as I'm concerned. I've been skeptical of some of their things in the past and the saga surrounding Assange in particular made me sour but this is so far past the point of acceptability. They're no better than the hackers.

 

[Jigorath]

And if wikileaks wasn't the one to leak it, someone else would've. Is what I'm getting at. Wikileaks at least could scrub sensitive personal information out of the e-mails before releasing, but given they're all about "100% transparency" it seems like that'd fly in the face of their M.O.

How do you know that?

 

[Sanke__]

—Blomkamp wanted $1M for closing shot of Chappie. Sony denied this.

Damn
That would have been an epic shot

 

[Zeus Molecules]

I'm not surprised they read our post. This place is a hotbed for that elusive 18-35 males with disposable income & are influencers demographic. Shit I am pretty sure "they" post here themselves to hype up/defend certain properties/brands.

So with that said allow me to say "Fox give Marvel back the Fantastic Four rights dammit!"

 

[TheRagnCajun]

So I guess Wikileaks doesn't just publish classified information of public interest.

 

[DopeToast]

I really don't like this, I think. I don't think private e-mails should be this accessible.

 

[sestrugen]

This information was already available for anyone that felt curious enough about the contents of the hack, this is just an index of that same data. I understand the ethical arguments against Wikileaks and I also understand that they are only doing this as a way to keep themselves relevant since there is absolutely nothing to be gained from it.

 

[mr-paul]

Although the ethics of this are probably quite dodgy, it sure is interesting.

For example Amy Pascal's Mario Kart 8 order. There's really no public interest in stuff like that, no real justification in publishing it. I know it's in Wikileaks nature to dump massive troves of info, but it does nothing to help their reputation.

 

[shink]

The reasoning behind doing this disregards all the innocent employees as just casualties of some sort of bigger issue. Sure it was on the internet if you really wanted it but I really don't agree with making it so easily accessible.

Phone numbers etc there, what a mess.

 

[onadesertedisland]

These people are so informal via email that it disturbs me.

 

[Denzar]

—Blomkamp wanted $1M for closing shot of Chappie. Sony denied this.

They should've rolled with it. As it is, the closing shot of Chappie is fucking vomit worthy.

Going by the blatant product placement, Sony had their hands on this too much already.

 

[Ultima_5]

These people are so informal via email that it disturbs me.

seriously. every email at my job is incredibly formal....

 

[jmdajr]

These people are so informal via email that it disturbs me.

Seems unwise

 

[Pankratous]

seriously. every email at my job is incredibly formal....

Sony has never struck me as a company that needlessly requires useless formalities for absolutely no reason. The majority of these emails are among close colleagues and likely friends.

That one from Steve (the powers guy) to Andrew House is so fucking bad though. In so many ways.

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While I find this morally wrong, I can't stop reading. It's all really interesting.

 

[Corronchilejano]

I can't really seem to find anything to care about. A lot of it is private information and discussions among colleagues.

 

[davepoobond]

These people are so informal via email that it disturbs me.

Welcome to Hollywood. It's high school with lots of money


Anyone surprised at all of the dumb/crazy ideas should really not worry since most of the ideas that float around don't get made usually.

 

[Toa TAK]

I wonder if they liked my AMS2 OT.

 

[Pankratous]

While I find this morally wrong, I can't stop reading. It's all really interesting.

I take it back, I'm bored already. Searched for anything Nintendo, PlayStation, boobs and penis, and there's nothing that hasn't really been mentioned here yet.

 

[Nyoro SF]

These people are so informal via email that it disturbs me.

Game industry email correspondence is the same. Informal industry.

 

[bananafactory]

The Feige notes about Spider-Man are interesting

Recap of Kevin Feige Notes - 11.19,13
Email-ID 88763
Date 2013-11-20 02:45:59
From rachel_o'connor@spe.sony.com
To amy_pascal@spe.sony.comdoug_belgrad@spe.sony.com, hannah_minghella@spe.sony.com, eric_fineman@spe.sony.com, adam_north@spe.sony.com
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Recap of Kevin Feige Notes - 11.19,13
There are too many story lines and we need to choose which ones we are focusing on and lift out the other ones, ie; could reduce father arc to just Roosevelt?



Could cut out plane crash and Richard destroying spiders and start on armored car – don’t start with Spider-Man….let the danger/stakes to NYC build first and then have Spider-Man enter the scene heroically.



Tone down Paul Giamatti performance, so he seems a bit more menacing and less cartoonish.



If you cut Richard from the opening and the plane crash maybe you could instead do Harry coming home and seeing Norman at the top of the movie as a cold open.



Really love Electro – feels like you may not need the scene in his apartment, which makes him seems completely crazy and hard to relate too.



Like the idea that eel goes in his mouth and instead of burrowing, you see it glow within him…



Need to set up the Power Plant earlier, visually.



Seems like the movie switches pov’s a lot…why are we in Max’s pov during the car chase, worth looking at this playing out from Spidey’s pov.



There could be a better way to reveal that Peter is missing graduation – maybe when you cut Gwen you cut to the wide shot?



Tiny note – don’t think Peter would lie to Gwen about sirens --- maybe he just downplays it…



Stan Lee Cameo – maybe need a little more emphasis on Peter here trying to get out of his costume and not be in seen…set up a little more the pressure of the principal getting closer and closer to calling his name.



Instead of seeing the ghost of Captain Stacy, can just here the voice in Peter’s head and maybe flash back to the last movie? Don’t think we should add Cap Stacy back into car chase.



There is too much back and forth with Peter and Gwen – can we recut the Dim Sum scene so that it doesn’t feel so repetitive of their break-up in the last movie – Can Peter be more honorable and definitive and less wishy-washy?



Why do we need a year to pass…



Harry story feels like the main plot of the movie – Peter should look into the past b/c of Harry – maybe find some photos of them together as kids…use obsession wall more to set up this part of his past not just what happened to parents.



Not sure what Peter learns at Roosevelt is entirely correct. We’re distracted by the idea that Peter became Spider-Man b/c of his father’s blood --- all this special back story with his super-scientist dad fights with the idea that Peter is normal kid from Queens who becomes the greatest super-hero in the world…



Andrew’s performance is all over the place…a lot of crying and then a lot of mania. Hard to track him emotionally sometimes. It undermines his reaction to Gwen’s death b/c he gets upset and emotional a lot.



Don’t like the idea that May tells Peter his parents were spies b/c two seconds later he finds out they are not and it again fights with the idea that he’s an ordinary kid.



Like the idea that May finds out he’s Spider-Man – finds his costume instead of just the rosemary harris wink-wink all the time.



Kind of like the morgue, but hate the dancing mortician – cliché.



Are you using VFX to show how Electro is travelling from one point to another (bursts of electricity).



Need to underscore capture of goblin…more sirens as you linger on the clock 1;21, 1:22 am (nice touch).



Surveillance scene should be about following Harry not Peter…no one should be following Peter.



Can Electro hum Itsy-Bitsy Spider before he plays it electronically…maybe we can use this again.



Maybe intercut the ending montage and hearing Gwen’s speech with someone going into special projects and revealing more easter eggs and see that the rhino case has been broke into and the suit is missing…great way to transition to rhino ending.



Don’t need Aunt May in the kitchen.



Spider-man needs to feel more directly responsible for preventing the planes from crashing.



Don’t show New Yorkers looting.




Attachments:
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[Deleted member 13876]

Sony has never struck me as a company that needlessly requires useless formalities for absolutely no reason. The majority of these emails are among close colleagues and likely friends.

That one from Steve (the powers guy) to Andrew House is so fucking bad though. In so many ways.

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While I find this morally wrong, I can't stop reading. It's all really interesting.

I think it depends on what you're doing at Sony. I know a guy who works there that always commented on how formal and bureaucratic business emails had to be. He mostly had to communicate with the Japanese branch to get anything done and it took a while for him to adjust to that business culture.

 

[The Artisan]

The Feige notes about Spider-Man are interesting

whoa, feige was giving webb advice on asm2??

 

[Ovek]

Sony lurks every ware it seems, I really like the buzz emails after every major trailer release.

Neogaf on point for the Captain America Winter Solder Super trailer:

Holy Shit! This movie is the real fucking deal! So good! (NEOGAF)

Haha

EDIT:

At least Sony didn't want Barbie to be a ditsy blonde hooker paid to fuck a dictator.

Subject: Barbie/Super Model Super Spy

I was super optimistic going into this read - potentially to have a sudden puzzle piece arrive and for the whole project click into place. I'm afraid that's not the case. This script is OVERBOARD meets THE INTERVIEW.
I think that our Barbie should always be capable, not a ditsy blonde wronged by a man who triumphs in the face of adversity (OVERBOARD). Not to mention, 15 pages in when this model loses everything thanks to her Madoff boyfriend, then gets a borderline escort gig for a dictator (no way we can suggest or even imply that Barbie would ever do anything remotely hooker-ey....right??) and the CIA then taps her to be a spy because of the access that provides (INTERVIEW to a T, with training sequence to boot etc). Then the expected hijinx/girl rising to her true potential plotting ensues.
Its not bad (we've gotten the script before) and actually charming at moments, but this approach would need a major overhaul, and I think is subpar conceptually to our current approach. I'm not sure Barbie should have an "arc" in the traditional sense (as is the case here), which makes our take so brilliant. So if we were to embrace it, all this version gives us is another script/idea that needs a ton of work (in addition to all the above points and more, we would still need to infuse it with the toy/meta concept) + a Jeremy Garelick. Why not just see if Lavender & Garelick, with Garelick to direct, have an idea for our current version???

 

[crazygambit]

There is an in-between that Wikileaks never will be able to reach though. I don't disagree with the general concept of leaking bulk data, but there are major ethical concerns when it comes to the release of personal information. I just found the cell phone number, email address, physical address and bank account numbers for a person I don't even know. With a bit more digging around and very little conscience, I could pretty much ruin their lives. How is making this information public helping anyone's freedom of access to information? It's definitely something that can be received with mixed feelings and polarized reactions.

EDIT: My post says in a long form what you said in a shorter way. I agree with you, basically.

I think it's much more troublesome that such information could be used to ruin someones life.

Maybe it's time to implement some fail-safes on our society? I remember not too long ago, you received a book every year with everyone's phone number and address in it and no one's life was ruined.

Your bank account number is in every check you ever give out, so if it's dangerous for it to be out there, then maybe the system needs to be rethought. Same with you social security number, there should be no way for anyone to make malicious use of that information and if it is, it's because the system is poorly thought out.

 

[Poudini]

So Gawker found this. Oh boy.

hey sony made deals with the military so it's ok that this is public, you know it's the justicey thing to do

 

[Freedom = $1.05]

The Feige notes about Spider-Man are interesting

And they listened to none of them, hah. His notes are solid, it definitely would've led to a better film than what we got, especially him wanting to tone down the multiple storylines.

 

[darkhunger]

whoa, feige was giving webb advice on asm2??

He also came up with the idea of the Gwen montage towards the end, from what I gathered. Sony thanked him for coming up with the ending.

And they listened to none of them, hah. His notes are solid, it definitely would've led to a better film than what we got, especially him wanting to tone down the multiple storylines.

They listened to a bunch... Originally the movie seemed even worse... They got rid of some stuff based on his suggestions, such as a scene indicating that Peter's DNA being contaminated before he was born or something like that, something with Aunt May knowing he was Spider-Man, and other scenes.

 

[ultracal31]

And they listened to none of them, hah. His notes are solid, it definitely would've led to a better film than what we got, especially him wanting to tone down the multiple storylines.

Sony wanted to prove they can wear the big boy pants It reminds me of reading my friends earlier draft of his screenplay and all constructive cristism was met with a "nah not changing it because I want it in"

 

[ItIsOkBro]

The Feige notes about Spider-Man are interesting

All of these notes would have improved the movie..

 

[darkhunger]

Sony wanted to prove they can wear the big boy pants It reminds me of reading my friends earlier draft of his screenplay and all constructive cristism was met with a "nah not changing it because I want it in"

The problem is the first instance of feedback that Marvel gave (at least based on the emails that were leaked) was back in late 2013, when the filming was done already. Feige gave them advice for reshoots and edits. I guess it was too drastic of a change for Sony.

The next bit that they sent was in July 2014 when the movie was already out and Alan Fine (president of Marvel) sent them some notes they took in 2012 of the script, which didn't make their way to Sony until it was too late.

 

[crazyrabbits]

Hans Zimmer attempts to explain the kind of score he's going for in ASM2 to Pascal:

It can't (and it isn't) be emphasized enough that he is "One Of A Kind". DNA and spider serum. So he is the one that's different - his cross to bear is to live a life of loneliness. Isolate him. He might be charming, kind and good-looking, but still he has a responsibility to his powers (I wouldn't call it a "gift". What sort of "gift" condemns you to solitude). Isolate him. See how charming plays then.

He's only questions. No answers. The answers will bring him to a lie.

There's a girl problem. She loves him. But she will love him sooo much that it will kill her. Modern girl -"don't you try to protect me, even thou I don't have your powers and still- the whole fucking world is after me...." Modern girl thinks she understands. But it's one thing intellectualizing it, it's quite another to really feel it...

But her DNA is just as strong, she is a fully formed, capable human being with her own dreams an imagination. With her own rights.

But we expect the girl to die. We just have to push the carousel, give it an emotional nudge. Like "Harry, my blood can't safe you..." (Is that enough to turn a basically decent chap like Harry - who doesn't " Do" complicated, into a murderous beast? And are we - the scientist in me says "no"- archiving this?)

I'm way beyond writing past midnight, so bear with my rumblings:

He is isolated through his condition and moral compass. His friend are going mad.
He is singular.
He is Loney, and it will get so much worse.

AND UNCLE JIMMY (wots his name?!) WAS RIGHT!!! He ne'er understood, never saw it coming...

But there are two glimmers in the sky: Gwen and the young boy (Max is cooking up meth and Harry is contemplating his secretary ...or world-domination. (I'd like to know what side he'd come down on.)

But he's super lonely,too. And the shards of ice push closer into what's left of his humanity - his only fried. Peter Parker. "So peter, if I can't live, you can't love. And you know what they say...to have burned brightly, passionately - could something so profoundly noble and right be wrong? Oh, to have loved just once.... What is that old promise I gave, for her love, I'd give everything. I'd move to LONDON.

But you have no choice in the matter. Not you, with your DNA and spider- ness.

But that little boy, the on you saved - no, not MAX, but the GOOD VERSION of Max.
Him you still can safe.

Peter, you are not the Icon. The Boy is. YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THIS. He lets us in to your world, identify with you. He is us at our most human.

As he stands there, in front of Tienamahn Square, frightened , but knows full well someone, somebody has to do the right thing.... He will do it. HE WILL. HE's brave beyond his years. he cares. It will kill him, but a world without heroes...? He will do it, because to him it's inconceivable not to believe. In the Good that is Spider-Man. . And he waits. Like David and Goliath. Like the boy at Tienamen square.

Spider-Man sees him from behind , lays his gloved hand on his shoulder, and explains to him that each one has what the other so desperate needs: the boy is pure, has courage and a beautiful moral comprehension. But he could never do it. back to the singular Dna...Spider-Man is the hollow man. But as he looks into the kids eyes, he sees a glimmer of his former self in him. Something well saving for. Something to safe for Gwenn. And as he gets up, he knows that he will be such in this DNA mutation forever, lonely but purposeful. He needs to unchain his Heart and let the love back in. There are people that love him. But, right now, know one seems to understand him like the little kid in his poor, Spider-Man onecy.

You can promise a whole city something and not really mean it. Buy you can't promise that to a little kid... The kid Is You. The kid has you courage, decency and heart. But you have the DNA!

Just some mad rambling 3.30 am talk, with a fever....

Goddamn, he's cool.

 

[Palette Swap]

So Gawker found this. Oh boy.

Yeah, that's a piece of shit gutter trash site alright.

Transparency my ass.

 

[Frosty Droid]

Edit: Oops, hamchan already brought it up in the production thread.

Bleeding Cool looked into Drew Goddard's departure from Daredevil to helm Sinister Six. Marvel seems pretty bitter over the loss of Goddard.

It surprising Marvel and Sony were able to set that aside and cooperate on Spider-man.

 

[hydragonwarrior]

Lol anyone search the database on "The Last Guardian"?

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

I'm not surprised they read our post.

Yeah, I'm surprised people seemed shocked to hear this. Every company has people out there all over the internet seeing what people are saying.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

Edit: Oops, hamchan already brought it up in the production thread.

Bleeding Cool looked into Drew Goddard's departure from Daredevil to helm Sinister Six. Marvel seems pretty bitter over the loss of Goddard.

It surprising Marvel and Sony were able to set that aside and cooperate on Spider-man.

Seems like another penny pinching Ike move soured a relationship with a creator who didn't let himself be dicked around. Too bad, as he clearly did excellent work on Daredevil.