Baka Sempai
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Agreed, but to a certain level, they should at least not be THIS bad.
(look at goku's fists, facial features, etc)
I'm a huge fan of the series, and this wont be a deterrent for me to stop watching it but still.
Will Dragon Ball Super be re-animated?
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Agreed, but to a certain level, they should at least not be THIS bad.
(look at goku's fists, facial features, etc)
I'm a huge fan of the series, and this wont be a deterrent for me to stop watching it but still.
Vincent Alexander
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I dunno....that honestly doesn't look like terrible drawing so much as bad design. The first screen he is wearing more textured, nuanced clothing with real detail to it. I guess I'd have to see a drawing of someone else in their saiyan vest for a real comparison.
This looks really weird. Like flash animation style. Not a fan.
Sibersk Esto
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XiaNaphryz
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I remember that. The jump in animation quality in the original DBZ was often jarring. It looks even moreso in motion.
Thats a better comparison. In the OP it looks like they just added sharper angles and bigger eyes.
Thank you.
Incredibly inconsistent artwork was been a part of DragonBall for a long time. I'd hope they'd touch up Super when it gets a BluRay release, but I'm not expecting much nor do I think much of Super needs much in the way of touching up.
PeakPointMatrix
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A feature has higher quality drawings than a show?and let's not even compare it to the 2014 movie ....
If people don't see the difference, fine then.
what in the world
Vincent Alexander
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Well damn. Those are pretty jarring.Better examples
Baka Sempai
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Right ? LOL
I may have used a pretty extreme example, but people didn't/don't see the difference.
Sibersk Esto
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Trunks' super saiyan hair must be the hardest thing to draw consistently ever.
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Yes thank you! I hate this shit that people believe dragonball z had incredibly good animation throughout and blame Super for not hitting such a high bar (it should strive for a bar though)
SonicMegaDrive
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Dragon Ball has always had terrible animation.
ArchedThunder
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Another thing about Episode 5 is that according to the lead animator on that episode some shit went down and they didn't have time to complete the episode, so they had to rush and finish it and he couldn't go back and correct drawings(which is why the first half of the fight looks awful and the SSJ3 part ranges from kinda bad to pretty okay). Hopefully they've learned from that and the massive outcry from it and it won't happen again, episode 10 and the preview for 11 give me confidence that they are getting their shit together.
MetroidPrimeRib
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That happens on production schedules. That massive outcry probably had the majority of it come from Western (where the show is not even being streamed) so they most likely didn't hear any of it.
I'm not trying to excuse that the show looks bad but I find it hard to pass blame because the animation industry in Japan is so poorly put together that production problems happen on nearly every show because the weekly format is pretty tough.
Freedom = $1.05
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the OG DBZ run was so damn inconsistent. I feel like it peaked during the Frieza saga though other seasons had issues, too.
Felt like Buu was when it was the most consistently okay. But going back and watching the series fully through for the first time 2-3 years ago really enlightened me on how bad it could be episode to episode.
Felt like Buu was when it was the most consistently okay. But going back and watching the series fully through for the first time 2-3 years ago really enlightened me on how bad it could be episode to episode.
Sibersk Esto
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Orbis Tabula
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Surely you mean a right side up acorn.
ArchedThunder
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More examples of what to expect.
Nope, the Japanese internet was ablaze with people complaining, that's the only reason the guy came out and even said that.
Gentleman Jack
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I missed it where people did this tho. People just have higher standards in 2015, and I don't think they should be chastised for hanging onto them even for long running shows that have a history of deadline induced jank.
MetroidPrimeRib
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Alright then, I guess I was wrong to assume.
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There's not a single image in there that looks as bad as Dragonball Super pics that were posted. Haha
One subpar episode and people are still moaning about animation quality
Super looks and is animated fine 90% of the time
No of course it isn't going to look on par with a bigger budget movie
Most of it comes down to being more noticeable due to the brighter colors and more plasticy art style.
Super looks and is animated fine 90% of the time
No of course it isn't going to look on par with a bigger budget movie
Most of it comes down to being more noticeable due to the brighter colors and more plasticy art style.
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HoodWinked
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FUCK Masayuki Uchiyama
i think that episode 233 image is at least in the running. that looks rough. that said i'd still agree with anyone who says episode 5 of super is the low point of the franchise
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I think we can all agree that Masayuki Uchiyama was the worst thing to happen to DBZ.
Freedom = $1.05
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what youre not seeing is how shitty the animation is on the worse looking episodes.
Sometimes, a show can get away with bad frames because it moves quickly. DBZ, as many know, loves to linger about. So its real bad at times.
Havent seen super yet though, just reminding folks that DBZ was jank as fuck at times
I love how people keep pointing out that single Dragon Ball Super episode and act like the entire show is like that.
Nostalgia goggles are strong because original DBZ had plenty of wonky episodes. That's the nature in long running shows like this. It looks shit, decent, or great depending on the episode.
Nostalgia goggles are strong because original DBZ had plenty of wonky episodes. That's the nature in long running shows like this. It looks shit, decent, or great depending on the episode.
PeakPointMatrix
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Why can't it be like the good old days?
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Nope, the Japanese internet was ablaze with people complaining, that's the only reason the guy came out and even said that.
What's the point of this? Why not do it right the first time? Aren't they losing money by having to redo animation?
The only thing I can guess is that they make a big enough margin on the BR release that the shitty web version makes sense if the show doesn't garner enough attention to warrant a BR. But then again if your show looks like dog shit who would then wanna fork over a ton of money for the BR?
ArchedThunder
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The lead animator for episode 5 is the lead animator for this coming episode, 11. This is his chance for redemption, and as I've said a few times in this thread it looks promising.
They are on a tight timescale and it is hard to come by animators. Most of the redone animation is also done over top of the old animation, so it isn't as costly or time consuming as doing it from scratch. This is really the way things are done in Japan right now, get what you can out for the deadline for the broadcast version and then clean it up for the physical release.
They are on a tight timescale and it is hard to come by animators. Most of the redone animation is also done over top of the old animation, so it isn't as costly or time consuming as doing it from scratch. This is really the way things are done in Japan right now, get what you can out for the deadline for the broadcast version and then clean it up for the physical release.
Basketball
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Nemesis121
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This...
The old DBZ in motion looks good compared to Super, Super is cheap lazy attempt to cash in on DBZ fan base...
MetroidPrimeRib
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Again, it's not a money/budget issue, it is a time/scheduling issue.
I'd argue that GT was the cheap cash in
Basketball
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The show still looked pretty good though
Well, I can't argue with you there.
And before anyone comes in and says GT looks better they used like the same three animations for a ton on the fights
God those were awful
Edit: fuck
TheRealTalker
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it is just a change of animators
sometimes the top animators are assigned to movies though so we eventually see the "other guys" do back to back episodes
they do indeed try to tidy it up when it hits stores but one can still see the different art styles
DBSuper had some well animated episodes though
sometimes the top animators are assigned to movies though so we eventually see the "other guys" do back to back episodes
they do indeed try to tidy it up when it hits stores but one can still see the different art styles
DBSuper had some well animated episodes though
PeakPointMatrix
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*not a cheap cash-in
Come on man. From the pictures posted for DBZ the worst episode seems to be episode 169 for DBZ. But even then it can't hold a candle to this crap. This is on a whole different level.
I'm not saying DBZ was perfect, but that DBS picture is laughable.
Prinz Eugn
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I remember even as a kid noticing whenever things started to look awful, and just recently in the Super thread I discovered that yep, it was always Uchiyama.
Skip to 9:00 and tell me this looks better in motion than DBS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rdd4xbpqUg
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Why can't it be like the good old days?
*not a cheap cash-in
Return of cooler was hideous
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So what's the deal with ep5? Did they literally like run out of time to make it or something? Is there a specific reason for why it's so bad looking?
Like this shit
Is straight up unbelievable.
Like this shit
Is straight up unbelievable.
Werewolf Jones
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Another animation discussion on GAF in which about roughly 70% of the participants don't know much about, oh joy. DB Super isn't even that bad and the majority who scream about quality probably don't even watch anime much to begin with. A lot of the screens people use and legit split second frames and the episode itself still had some really decent moments in terms of actual animation.
People cried for a DB sequel since GT and they finally get it and now all they do is complain about how it has some minor problems. smh.
People cried for a DB sequel since GT and they finally get it and now all they do is complain about how it has some minor problems. smh.
PeakPointMatrix
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It was outsourced to a different studio.
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