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Will Sony ever fix these PS3 firmware problems?

I'll tell you what annoys me more than the clock, the goddamn FW download percentage. First 59 percent goes slowly, next 15 percent goes 5 times as fast, last 25 percent doesn't even exist. Every update without fail.
 
Fizzle said:
I didn't know people were interested watching Being Human, can't wait for series 2.
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I'm not exactly sure where they're going to go with
Nina
.

But it's quite depressing. I really wanted to see all the bonus features on the disc. I preordered the damned thing. Like hell there's ever going to be an NTSC release of this anyway.

The worst part is what is going to happen when Dr Who hits HD in 2010? I'm not looking forward to that, if this issue isn't resolved.
 
I've got an issue with the PS3 firmware I haven't seen mentioned here. Static on Dolby TrueHD audio tracks. If I select a different track and then switch back it's fine but it's really annoying. 80GB partial BC with 2.80 here FYI although I've had the issue with other firmwares.
 
grap3fruitman said:
I've got an issue with the PS3 firmware I haven't seen mentioned here. Static on Dolby TrueHD audio tracks. If I select a different track and then switch back it's fine but it's really annoying. 80GB partial BC with 2.80 here FYI although I've had the issue with other firmwares.
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What receiver do you have? Some receivers don't always play nice with the PS3 for some godforsaken reason.
 
Dragona Akehi said:
None of my EU originating discs are working asides from Paprika, which boots directly to the menu. So that's a lot of useless blurays I have right now...

Well I have no idea, but it's really annoying. Isn't the 60GB US console identical to the JP 60GB unit? Maybe you should check your discs...

Oh and one other problem that's been bothering me. Why on earth will the PS3 not play region free PAL DVDs? Don't give me "it can't play PAL signals" because if I rip the DVD and put an unaltered VOB onto a memstick.... oh look it plays! It's all kinds of bullshit. :P
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i dont remember when 2.7 happened.. i havent checked my discs but i've definitely watched at least one recently.

the reason it won't play PAL DVDs is it tries to switch to 50hz display or something and only the PAL units can do that. eye tv won't work on import machines because of that
 
panda21 said:
the reason it won't play PAL DVDs is it tries to switch to 50hz display or something and only the PAL units can do that. eye tv won't work on import machines because of that
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Actually the PS3 has a PAL->NTSC converter chip, just like any electronics released after 2002ish. That's why the .VOB works. They're just cutting out the ability to play them because they can.
 
The PS3 really is a bit of a clusterfuck it seems with all the random problems, all the quite dramatic hardware revisions can't have helped.

I'm hoping the Slim is released alongside 3.0 and that the firmware update is quite a major overhaul. Not counting on it though ...
 
Dragona Akehi said:
Actually the PS3 has a PAL->NTSC converter chip, just like any electronics released after 2002ish. That's why the .VOB works. They're just cutting out the ability to play them because they can.
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Wow, way to be a dick Sony. :(
 
Dragona Akehi said:
Actually the PS3 has a PAL->NTSC converter chip, just like any electronics released after 2002ish. That's why the .VOB works. They're just cutting out the ability to play them because they can.
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really? why? surely there would be no point in all but the pal consoles, and even then...
 
Speaking of little firmware problems, have any of the PS3 RB/GH users seeing a controller number assigning issue since 2.80FW.

Since 2.80FW, the dongles for the plastic instruments are assigned either controller 6 or 7 and these controller ranges don't work with either RB/GH. The symptoms would be no frets, pads or strums registering at all, only the PS button on drum, guitar.
You have to hold down the PS button and change the controller assignment number manually.
 
My PS3 developed a random crackle over the optical out after one of the updates (think it was 2.7), and one time I turned it on and there was no sound whatsoever. Went back to HDMI for a while.

Updated to 2.8 and it all seems fine again now over optical, but the PS3's firmware has never felt 'solid' and whenever I update you always wonder if it's going to break something :-S
 
DECK'ARD said:
My PS3 developed a random crackle over the optical out after one of the updates (think it was 2.7), and one time I turned it on and there was no sound whatsoever. Went back to HDMI for a while.

Updated to 2.8 and it all seems fine again now over optical, but the PS3's firmware has never felt 'solid' and whenever I update you always wonder if it's going to break something :-S
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my DVD player does that and it certainly doesn't get firmware updates. I wonder what that is?
 
BoilersFan23 said:
Now playing PS1 games on PS3 has major lag.
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Really? Is this possibly why I am having issues countering attacks in Vagrant Story? With the weapons I have developed a rhythm but its harder for enemies. And if I wait til I actually see the "!" mark its always too slow.

I might just suck too :lol but it could be contributing right?
 
MvmntInGrn said:
Really? Is this possibly why I am having issues countering attacks in Vagrant Story? With the weapons I have developed a rhythm but its harder for enemies. And if I wait til I actually see the "!" mark its always too slow.

I might just suck too :lol but it could be contributing right?
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He's talking about fighting games for the most part.
 
panda21 said:
i dont remember when 2.7 happened.. i havent checked my discs but i've definitely watched at least one recently.

the reason it won't play PAL DVDs is it tries to switch to 50hz display or something and only the PAL units can do that. eye tv won't work on import machines because of that
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From http://www.edepot.com/playstation3.html:

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I believe that my Virtua Stick works with every PS2 game under the sun, but I have to check... I will check though.

I didn't know about the EU Blu-ray issue though, I could have sworn that US/Japan was 0, and EU was 1, so that was why it wouldn't work... but I guess I had it wrong.

Open Source said:
I don't understand why people who are so concerned about backwards compatibility don't just keep the original console out.
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Because they fricking advertised BC, if the peripheral doesn't work it sucks.
This kind of attitude is really silly.
 
KTallguy said:
I didn't know about the EU Blu-ray issue though, I could have sworn that US/Japan was 0, and EU was 1, so that was why it wouldn't work... but I guess I had it wrong.
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The codes are letters now, but that's more or less right. But that's not really lyre's problem, he's having trouble playing region-free BRDs on the PS3.
 
obonicus said:
The codes are letters now, but that's more or less right. But that's not really lyre's problem, he's having trouble playing region-free BRDs on the PS3.
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Ah I see, didn't realize those existed!
 
Region A: The Americas, East Asia (Japan, South Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, etc.)
Region B: Europe, Africa, Middle East, Australia, New Zealand, i.e. traditional PAL markets.
Region C: Russia, India, China, The rest of Asia.

There are also all region/region free, i.e. region ABC and there are also region multi-specific releases, one for example would be the recent Futurama BD movie which is Region AB.
 
lyre said:
Okay, I have a launch US 60 giger PS3, you know one of those lochness monster units that has *your favourite arbitrary number* percent backwards compatibility with its far more successful older brother, the PS2.

However I got one of them new fangled Mad Catz Tournament Fight stick doohickies so I can play all the PS2 fighters I've had for a while now so I can wash some of the staleness of SF4 out of my palate. Little do I know the stick doesn't work with PS2 games at all and there is no chance Mad Catz will ever do any sort of fix for this since they are all too keen to dropping support for the stick themselves. So it all comes down to Sony releasing a firmware update which fixes this; however this doesn't seem like it's going to happen since they're more than happy to continue to not support something they haven't touched for a few years now.
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I really don't think it's a priority for Sony. Especially since they've essentially washed their hands of backward compatibility with the PS3. :(

Let's just hope the PS4 is better designed, assuming it attempts legacy software support. If not, then to hell with it. :\
 
I'd guess they screwed up the authoring of that one bluray, maybe the disc isn't 100% complaint. I own 50 blurays and watched additional stuff that was lent to me. I never had any playback issues. My US/NA PS3 saw and played many EU/PAL releases.
 
ChryZ said:
I'd guess they screwed up the authoring of that one bluray, maybe the disc isn't 100% complaint. I own 50 blurays and watched additional stuff that was lent to me. I never had any playback issues. My US/NA PS3 saw and played many EU/PAL releases.
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This is more what it seems like as I don't remember any groups of people raging as they would if they really did remove playback for region-free BD's. Either the disc wasn't cut properly or there is just something about that specific disc the PS3 doesn't like. I've had a lot stranger problems on computers that have ended up being fixed when I change something that should have absolutely no effect on anything.
 
I was thinking of authoring compliance issues myself. Wouldn't be surprising, coming from a small company. It reminds me of the early days of DVD burning at home... a lot of software supporting DVD burning early on like Nero had problems creating 100% compliant DVDs, therefore some players just wouldn't play them while others would.
 
So it's settled that European region-free Blurays don't work on US/JP PS3s when outputting an SD/ED signal, but still work fine with an HD signal? I thought that was always the case, not just a recent development.
 
One of the Firmware updates last summer added an audio bug to the Orange Box. Another one removed backwards compatability of Tomb Raider and Tomb Raider 2.

I imagine fixing these is miles down Sony's list, but they irritate the hell out of me - especially when they're things that were fine before Sony broke them - and are top of my list of needed fixes.
 
Darkmakaimura said:
Why would SCEA create an update for a product, which if you use, voids the warranty on the system? Madcatz products are considered unlicensed products.
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The Hori Real Arcade PRO 3, Fighting Stick 3, and Virtua Stick High Grade are all unlicensed products.

None of them worked for PS2 backwards compatibility back then, but they do now.
 
Dragona Akehi said:
As mentioned earlier, no they had no idea. But they didn't seem to really consider it important. They "put it in the pile" for the "engineers to read".

I wish there was a way for me to downgrade to the last firmware before 2.70.
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I am not sure , but If I remember correctly I think with PS3's recovery mode ( Hold down power button for 3 peeps ) you can go to system update option and that will send your PS3 to FW 2.50 again , after that you can update to 2.60 or whatever from there .
 
One thing with the PS3 firmware I wish they would "fix" is PS1 region compatibility. For example, any PAL PS1 game will not work on US/JP (both NTSC) PS3 consoles. I want to play Kula World, Bishi Bashi Special, Int' Track and Field, etc I downloaded from the UK Store!

It would also be nice to be able to play any region PS2 game (Japan) on the a US PS3, but I guess this gives me an excuse to buy a JP white PS3 in the future.:lol
 
Unknown Soldier said:
I'm pretty sure that Sony said before PS3's launch that for backwards compatibility the PS3 would always enforce PS1/PS2 region coding.
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Before launch? Any comments from back then aren't necessarily true any longer. European gamers can play NTSC PS1 games just fine, at least those from PSN. I don't know about PS1 NTSC discs, although PS2 games are region locked for those with PS2 BC, I believe.
 
Non first-party controllers are always subject to odd behaviour.

As an example; about 10-years ago I was on the team who ported Quake2 onto the Ps1. Now on that game we decided to support using not only mouse+controller, but mouse+controller x4 using multi-taps. We discovered that although Sony's own multi-taps worked fine, using third party (Mad-Catz if I recall) ones didn't!

Presumably they were wired slightly different, all we knew was that it was definitely a hardware issue. Long story short, we kicked the bug "upstairs" and got told that so long as it worked with official Sony accessories the problem didn't exist.
 
Clear said:
Non first-party controllers are always subject to odd behaviour.

As an example; about 10-years ago I was on the team who ported Quake2 onto the Ps1. Now on that game we decided to support using not only mouse+controller, but mouse+controller x4 using multi-taps. We discovered that although Sony's own multi-taps worked fine, using third party (Mad-Catz if I recall) ones didn't!

Presumably they were wired slightly different, all we knew was that it was definitely a hardware issue. Long story short, we kicked the bug "upstairs" and got told that so long as it worked with official Sony accessories the problem didn't exist.
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Thank you for making that clear :D It makes sense.
 
Philanthropist said:
Before launch? Any comments from back then aren't necessarily true any longer. European gamers can play NTSC PS1 games just fine, at least those from PSN. I don't know about PS1 NTSC discs, although PS2 games are region locked for those with PS2 BC, I believe.
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PS1/PS2 games and DVDs - physical media will continue to stay region locked.
 
As an aside, has anyone had problems with PSN downloads corrupting? I've had Wipeout HD Fury corrupt 3 times already, so I can't install the fucker.
 
panda21 said:
really? why? surely there would be no point in all but the pal consoles, and even then...
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Actually "pal playback not supported" shows up for other region free content coming from PAL as well - ie. downloaded PS1 games (they play fine on any PSP, but will refuse to start on NTSC PS3s).

McBradders said:
How is this MadCatz's fault?
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It's a responsibility of 3rd parties to make add-ons work (ie. follow standards set by platform holder).
If the platform holder took that responsibility on their shoulders noone would ever follow any standards they set.
 
Mr. Pointy said:
As an aside, has anyone had problems with PSN downloads corrupting? I've had Wipeout HD Fury corrupt 3 times already, so I can't install the fucker.
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yes. just before my hdd died...
 
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