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[Mozza]

From OP: PS2 will remain the highest selling home console for the foreseeable future, and possibly ever...

Leading directly of course to the question whether the handheld version of another platform should "count".



Right, which is why when we count PS2 and early PSP together, we would also count late 3DS sales with Switch in my scenario, or it wouldn't be an equal measure.

Or do we count the PS2 and the slimline version. Suggesting the PS2 and the PSP are the same is pure lunacy, each console had it's own unique software. Just like the 3DS and Switch. The Switch, Switch OLED, and the lite all use the exact same software and have the same hardware. The game carts were all exactly the same.

 

[Scrawnton]

Or do we count the PS2 and the slimline version. Suggesting the PS2 and the PSP are the same is pure lunacy, each console had it's own unique software. Just like the 3DS and Switch. The Switch, Switch OLED, and the lite all ean the exact same software and had the same hardware. The game carts were all exactly the same.

PS2 slim can't play FFXI. So by my self defined metric, PS2 slim is in fact NOT a PS2.

Or do we count the PS2 and the slimline version. Suggesting the PS2 and the PSP are the same is pure lunacy, each console had it's own unique software. Just like the 3DS and Switch. The Switch, Switch OLED, and the lite all ean the exact same software and had the same hardware. The game carts were all exactly the same.

So what you're saying is all of the BC PS3's are PS2s? Checkmate.

 

[Mozza]

PS2 slim can't play FFXI. So by my self defined metric, PS2 slim is in fact NOT a PS2.


So what you're saying is all of the BC PS3's are PS2s? Checkmate.

Not at all. I am merly stating all Switch SKU's are all part of the same family of consoles. Using the same hardware and software. And should be counted as such. The real clue however is in their names and marketing ie Switch, Switch Lite and OLED Switch..

 

[Scrawnton]

Not at all. I am merly stating all Switch SKU's are all part of the same family of consoles. Using the same hardware and software. And should be counted as such. The real clue however is in their names and marketing ie Switch, Switch Lite and OLED Switch..

I'm just making a joke. Thinking like the OP.

 

[Mozza]

I'm just making a joke. Thinking like the OP.

I was not sure, but reading your post again with the PS3 part.... Pretty obvious now.

 

[BlackTron]

That's just a statement of opinion. Not the question being asked.

The replies in this thread, mine included, would naturally be different if the question was if the base Switch SKU and the OLED SKU combined would be able to dethrone the Ps2 or not.

OP asks one question in the title, and gives an opinion on a slightly different question in the post. Interesting lol.

 

[Scrawnton]

OP asks one question in the title, and gives an opinion on a slightly different question in the post. Interesting lol.

OP asks a simple question in the title and spends the entire thread with every single one of his posts coming up with bullshit scenarios and excuses as to why anyone answering yes is in fact wrong according to OPs own rules made up along the way. If the title of the thread was "here's my double standard reasoning as to why switch will never outsell ps2", half of us would never have taken the bait lol.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

OP asks a simple question in the title and spends the entire thread with every single one of his posts coming up with bullshit scenarios and excuses as to why anyone answering yes is in fact wrong according to OPs own rules made up along the way. If the title of the thread was "here's my double standard reasoning as to why switch will never outsell ps2", half of us would never have taken the bait lol.

/Thread

 

[Instant_Classic]

OP asks a simple question in the title and spends the entire thread with every single one of his posts coming up with bullshit scenarios and excuses as to why anyone answering yes is in fact wrong according to OPs own rules made up along the way. If the title of the thread was "here's my double standard reasoning as to why switch will never outsell ps2", half of us would never have taken the bait lol.

It's not a double standard, it was clearly stated in the OP that the Switch is a handheld.

Even with that being the case, and attempting to appeal to both the handheld and traditional console market it has not topped the PS2's sales as of now.

Switch Lite is literally a DEDICATED handheld, and yet it's "okay" to factor it into total Switch sales.

I'm still 50/50 on whether it's valid to factor in the Switch Lite. to the overall sales.

But to keep you guys happy, sure.

The confusion here is concerning, put your emotions aside.

This thread isn't me saying "the PS2 is better than the Switch", I'm just going by facts.

You guys should not be celebrating that it took a once in a life time event (pandemic), and 3 SKUs (one being a dedicated handheld) to get within reach of the PS2 nearly 20 years later.

 

[tr1p1ex]

Already outsold it in the US, Japan and Europe.

 

[BlackTron]

It's not a double standard, it was clearly stated in the OP that the Switch is a handheld.

Even with that being the case, and attempting to appeal to both the handheld and traditional console market it has not topped the PS2's sales as of now.

Switch Lite is literally are a DEDICATED handheld, and yet it's "okay" to factor it into total Switch sales.

I'm still 50/50 on whether it's valid to factor in the Switch Lite. to the overall sales.

But to keep you guys happy, sure.

The confusion here is concerning, put your emotions aside.

This thread isn't me saying "the PS2 is better than the Switch", I'm just going by facts.

You guys should not be celebrating that it took a once in a life time event (pandemic), and 3 SKUs (one being a dedicated handheld) to get within reach of the PS2 nearly 20 years later.

Even this post seems to still be conflating things.

Really there are two parallel battles here, 1) Which is the highest selling gaming platform, and 2) Which is the highest-selling console.

This is really about the traditional "console war" battle that has gone back decades, that's what we are trying to flex on here, which is what makes it disingenuous to include Lite, nobody suddenly switched gears from dick-measuring console sales to combined sales overnight, sure you can still do it, but it isn't the same "sales leaderboard" as before, so it's a shitty flex to behave as if it is.

 

[Scrawnton]

You guys should not be celebrating that it took a once in a life time event (pandemic), and 3 SKUs (one being a dedicated handheld) to get within reach of the PS2 nearly 20 years later.

And what about PS2 selling 40m systems for $99 during the "once in a life time event" known as the 2007 financial crisis? I think if we dismiss Nintendo's COVID sales, we should dismiss all PS2 sales post 2007, you know, to make things fair.

I mean if you're dismissing Switch sales because of COVID, it's only fair to do the same for for the $99 PS2 during that massive financial crisis. According to economists the 2007-2009 financial crisis (aka the Great Recession) was the world's worst economic downturn since the Great Depression. I don't know man, that seems like something that would've driven sales of a $99 PS2 and I think those sales should be null and void.

P.S. I'm still waiting for your reply regarding low ps2 software sales being a signifier that a lot of people bought PS2s purely for dvd purposes. You said earlier you'd reply to it and yet you haven't and you keep dropping other nonsensical "points" instead of doing what I asked.

 

[Knightime_X]

To be fair, ps2 was the cheaper \ better option for dvd players at the time.
on top of playing dvds, it was a new console. 2 birds 1 stone for a banger of a deal.

I convinced my parents to get a ps2 as a dvd player and when a stand alone comes out thats "better" I'd buy that for them.
It wasn't long before I got a dvd player for $150, and took the ps2 into my room.
Pretty good deal if you ask me. hehe

 

[Dr Bass]

To be fair, ps2 was the cheaper \ better option for dvd players at the time.
on top of playing dvds, it was a new console. 2 birds 1 stone for a banger of a deal.

I convinced my parents to get a ps2 as a dvd player and when a stand alone comes out thats "better" I'd buy that for them.
It wasn't long before I got a dvd player for $150, and took the ps2 into my room.
Pretty good deal if you ask me. hehe

Yep, if it wasn't a DVD player it wouldn't have sold as many as it did. My sister had a PS2 she used as a DVD player, and it's the only console she ever owned.

Also don't believe it "sold" 160 million. You're telling me none of those manufactured were warranty replacements or units given away for promotions etc? I'm sure the sales were at the 155 million originally stated and they just recently shared the number manufactured for "reasons."

 

[L*][*N*K]

From Nintendo's Official Website

"As of June 30, 2025, the Nintendo Switch has sold 153.10 million units worldwide."

IR Information : Sales Data - Dedicated Video Game Sales Units

www.nintendo.co.jp

The GOAT (PS2) currently sits at 160.6 million worldwide.

Switch 1 had the benefit of the covid boost inflating it's numbers, in addition to being a handheld.

I knew countless people who purchased one because they needed something to do, during the lockdowns.

Mind you, these people had zero interest in games and haven't touched their Switch's in years, post-covid.

Switch 1 sales have come to a sharp halt these last few years, and it's barely moving units now that the Switch 2 is out.

PS2 will remain the highest selling home console for the foreseeable future, and possibly ever...

And people get mad when I call Sony a fucking cult, which it is.

 

[Conflict NZ]

LMAO at people claiming the PS2 was a better achievement when a huge portion of those sales were as a DVD player.

Also they manufactured 160, not sold. They weren't secretly manufacturing warranty replacements and not counting them.

 

[Hero_Select]

LMAO at people claiming the PS2 was a better achievement when a huge portion of those sales were as a DVD player.

Also they manufactured 160, not sold. They weren't secretly manufacturing warranty replacements and not counting them.

BuT THaTs DifFeREnT

 

[Baemono]

So OP creates a thread asking a question, to which he answers by saying « never cause it's a handheld »

What a waste of time and ressources

 

[DenchDeckard]

Strangely fitting given how cringe the show became at the end and how cringe Switch fans are now that it is nearing its end.

Thread made by awful Sony fanboy antagonising users with bullshit takes and it's the switch fans at fault.

Sounds about right.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Op.

I asked AI and it looks like we are going to have to work out how many ps2s were sold and used as only a dvd player and remove that from the PS2 number.

"Yes, the PlayStation 2 was heavily marketed and sold as a DVD player, with many people buying it for its built-in DVD functionality at a price significantly lower than standalone DVD players at the time. This feature, combined with its gaming capabilities, helped the PS2 become the best-selling video game console of all time"

Ruh oh

Just taking the piss for OPs sheer lack of a brain

 

[Cakeboxer]

When comparing sold vs. manufactured units, it's important to note that manufacturing numbers also include every single warranty replacement, not just first-time sales.

Another factor is the production period: the PlayStation 2 was produced for 13 years, while the Nintendo Switch's production has so far lasted only 8 years.

Price development also played a role. The PS2 eventually dropped to as low as $99, whereas the Switch has even seen price increases in recent years.

One major advantage for the PS2 was its built-in DVD player. At the time, this was a huge selling point, as it provided a relatively affordable entry into the world of DVD movies. For example, in New Zealand Sony released a "Filmpack" bundle (including a PS2, controller, popular DVDs, and Blockbuster vouchers) and promoted the console as "New Zealand's top-selling DVD player for three years straight." This shows that even in smaller countries the DVD feature carried enough weight to significantly influence both marketing and adoption, making it a global driver of the PS2's success.

In contrast, the Switch faces tougher competition from other devices, especially smartphones and tablets, which can cover some of the same entertainment use cases. Today, there are literally billions of smartphones and hundreds of millions of tablets in circulation, meaning the Switch has had to establish itself in a world crowded with multifunctional devices.

Taking all these factors into account, the Switch is already the clear winner for me.

 

[Mozza]

It's not a double standard, it was clearly stated in the OP that the Switch is a handheld.

Even with that being the case, and attempting to appeal to both the handheld and traditional console market it has not topped the PS2's sales as of now.

Switch Lite is literally a DEDICATED handheld, and yet it's "okay" to factor it into total Switch sales.

I'm still 50/50 on whether it's valid to factor in the Switch Lite. to the overall sales.

But to keep you guys happy, sure.

The confusion here is concerning, put your emotions aside.

This thread isn't me saying "the PS2 is better than the Switch", I'm just going by facts.

You guys should not be celebrating that it took a once in a life time event (pandemic), and 3 SKUs (one being a dedicated handheld) to get within reach of the PS2 nearly 20 years later.

Not really facts though. The massive clue for you is the way the Switch is marketed. The Switch, Switch Lite and the OLED Switch are all pretty much the same console. They all play the same software and have the same hardware. By your logic the PS2 and the slimline versions sales should be counted separately.

It's always amusing when you see a thread talking about Switch sales and some on here are always suggesting the Switch is a handheld device, and not a proper home console. But now we are suggesting the regular Switch is indeed a home console, and the light is now a handheld. Pure goal post moving of epic proportions lol...

 

[apple_of_enlightenment]

Already outsold it in the US, Japan and Europe.

Yeah already outsold it in places where Sony couldn't invent the numbers.

 

[MrJangles]

LMAO at people claiming the PS2 was a better achievement when a huge portion of those sales were as a DVD player.

Also they manufactured 160, not sold. They weren't secretly manufacturing warranty replacements and not counting them.

Exactly. First thing I done when I got mine was watch Se7en on it. It was a nice budget DVD player. Games weren't up to much, I bought about a dozen or so of them over its lifetime, the Dreamcast gave me a vastly superior gaming experience.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

The Switch is approaching concerningly close distance to the PS2

That there's a tag, if I ever saw I one

 

[Hudo]

Does he though ?

The difference between the Switch Lite and let's say PS2 and PSP is the shared library. Pretty much all Switch games work on Switch Lite and vice versa, minus some exceptions. It's a revision without one feature, like the later revisions of the Wii without Game Cube controller ports.

Not only that, but PS2 Slim also is not able to play every fat PS2 game (FF 11 is a primary example). Should PS2 Slim's sales also not be counted?

 

[Scrawnton]

LMAO at people claiming the PS2 was a better achievement when a huge portion of those sales were as a DVD player.

Also they manufactured 160, not sold. They weren't secretly manufacturing warranty replacements and not counting them.

Yeah but warranty culture was a niche nerd thing back then. Only hardcore gamers got warranty replacements and back then that was like 100 people.

Obviously /s

 

[Gojiira]

Lets pretend that you can't play almost every PS2 iconic games except the first party ones in the Switch.

LMFAO yeah so impressive getting them 20 years later…Gtfo with that kinda nonsense…

 

[Mozza]

Yeah but warranty culture was a niche nerd thing back then. Only hardcore gamers got warranty replacements and back then that was like 100 people.

Obviously /s

I assume you have some evidence for this very subjective point of view.

 

[Scrawnton]

I assume you have some evidence for this very subjective point of view.

I know my gaming history, do you?

 

[Mozza]

I know my gaming history, do you?

Very much so. But still have no actual data to suggest how many units this was. Or any reliable numbers for hardware failure rates etc. Pretty much what we feel at the moment. I am not suggesting there was enough units to make a massive difference of course.

 

[Mozza]

LMFAO yeah so impressive getting them 20 years later…Gtfo with that kinda nonsense…

I don't know, it seemed pretty impressive for Sony to find a few more PS2 sales all those years later.

 

[Scrawnton]

Very much so. But still have no actual data to suggest how many units this was. Or any reliable numbers for hardware failure rates etc. Pretty much what we feel at the moment. I am not suggesting there was enough units to make a massive difference of course.

I hope you know I'm doing a bit by the way. I call it Instant_Classic.

 

[Woopah]

It's not a double standard, it was clearly stated in the OP that the Switch is a handheld.

Even with that being the case, and attempting to appeal to both the handheld and traditional console market it has not topped the PS2's sales as of now.

Switch Lite is literally a DEDICATED handheld, and yet it's "okay" to factor it into total Switch sales.

I'm still 50/50 on whether it's valid to factor in the Switch Lite. to the overall sales.

But to keep you guys happy, sure.

The confusion here is concerning, put your emotions aside.

This thread isn't me saying "the PS2 is better than the Switch", I'm just going by facts.

You guys should not be celebrating that it took a once in a life time event (pandemic), and 3 SKUs (one being a dedicated handheld) to get within reach of the PS2 nearly 20 years later.

Of course it should be celebrated. A console passing 100 million is alreasy massive achievement, and being over 150 or 160 million is even more so.

Putting things in bold or all caps doesn't change that.

PS2 is a HOME CONSOLE that had several models and nearly thirteen years and literally played DVDs. Does any of that makes it's crown not worth celebrating? No.

 

[daxgame]

Cringe OP.

 

[rkofan87]

yes

 

[BlackTron]

I hope you know I'm doing a bit by the way. I call it Instant_Classic.

 

[yogaflame]

No. Maybe switch 2 someday especially if Ps6 and PSPnextgen blunders.

 

[Fafalada]

regarding low ps2 software sales being a signifier that a lot of people bought PS2s purely for dvd purposes.

What low software sales? PS2 literally held the record for most software sold until 2021 when PS4 finally knocked it off.
And yes PS5 and Switch will also overtake it eventually - but the rise of digital has changed the game substantially (also why nothing until PS4 came close).

 

[Scrawnton]

What low software sales? PS2 literally held the record for most software sold until 2021 when PS4 finally knocked it off.
And yes PS5 and Switch will also overtake it eventually - but the rise of digital has changed the game substantially (also why nothing until PS4 came close).

You're missing a very very VERY huge factor.

PS4 outsold PS2 software with 1.5B software units sold, but Sony reports download-only games in that number.

Switch is reported to have sold 1.3B units of software and Nintendo DOES NOT REPORT download-only games in that number

So it's obvious Switch has sold more software than either of them, but we will never officially know. But... we know.

Edit: upon further research I read that Sony reports PS+ downloads in their total software sale numbers....

 

[apple_of_enlightenment]

Switch is reported to have sold 1.3B units of software and Nintendo DOES NOT REPORT download-only games in that number

So it's obvious Switch has sold more software than either of them, but we will never officially know. But... we know.

I can tell you who sold the most DVDs.

 

[awwr999999]

Sony should release PS2 Pro to troll Nintendo if they ever reach PS2's sales numbers.

Add a wired plug-in DualSense to a PS2 and people around the world will go nuts.
2 year game dev cycles would be the best thing to happen to console gaming in years.

 

[REDRZA MWS]

Does it matter? PS2 was an iconic HOME CONSOLE, who revived gaming. The switch is a damn handheld that barely reaches ps2 level power.

 

[Scrawnton]

Does it matter? PS2 was an iconic HOME CONSOLE, who revived gaming. The switch is a damn handheld that barely reaches ps2 level power.

OP got ran out of the thread and came back on a different account.

 

[REDRZA MWS]

OP got ran out of the thread and came back on a different account.

Nah, that's how you live your life? Speculating? You don't know me at all, we are ALLOWED different opinions, and this is the only acct I've ever had .crawl back under your rock.

 

[Karim]

 

[6502]

Does it matter? PS2 was an iconic HOME CONSOLE, who revived gaming. The switch is a damn handheld that barely reaches ps2 level power.

Yeah people forget the great videogame crash of the mid 90s... surprised Sony tried a second time after dreadful sales of PSX. Those landfills of unsold MGS and Goldeneye games.... (someone make sure this guy is kept away from sharp objects).

 

[Woopah]

Nah, that's how you live your life? Speculating? You don't know me at all, we are ALLOWED different opinions, and this is the only acct I've ever had .crawl back under your rock.

Having different opinions is fine. The issue is that you and the OP have said things which are factually wrong.

 

[Baemono]

Nah, that's how you live your life? Speculating? You don't know me at all, we are ALLOWED different opinions, and this is the only acct I've ever had .crawl back under your rock.

Reminds me of that