Instant_Classic
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The DS was cheap by the time 3DS was out.
The difference with the Switch 1 and Switch 2, is the the former is NOT much cheaper.
Will Switch 1 Dethrone PS2 sales?
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The difference with the Switch 1 and Switch 2, is the the former is NOT much cheaper.
Robb
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Only very early on, they slashed the 3DS price shortly after launch.
And either way, Switch is still significantly cheaper than Switch 2, especially so with the Lite SKU.
Boy bawang
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And the PS2 doubled as a DVD player. That's not really the point.
Doesn't matter if a console doubles as coffee maker or a fleshlight; the Switch is by far the most successful and profitable machine ever released, and I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo made more dough with it than with the DS and Wii combined.
Polygonal_Sprite
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100%. It will sell 5 million this holiday season with bundles then the rest over time (it's still doing 50k per week in Japan).
Nintendo also have Switch 1 games throughout 2026 that haven't even been announced yet.
Nintendo also have Switch 1 games throughout 2026 that haven't even been announced yet.
Robb
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Doubtful. Nintendo estimates to ship 4.5M units of Switch (1) through the entirety of FY25/26 (ending March 2026).
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You are correct, but Switch 1 and Switch 2 share a big price difference that still makes Switch 1 relevant enough to sell the 7 million systems it needs to overtake PS2. Do you not see the massive hypocrisy in your double standards?
They have Switch 1 games announced for 2026. That guarantees relevancy and at least 3 million units for the entire year. All Switch 1 needs to sell to overtake PS2 is 6 million units as of right now. Do you really think with this holiday period where a new Pokemon game is dropping and the entirety of 2026 where it's still being supported heavily that it won't sell at least 6 million in that 15 month time frame?
Nintendo still hasn't pushed the "deploy gb/gba pokemon games on NSO and bundle them with a Switch Lite" button like they did for 3DS in 2016.
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efyu_lemonardo
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That was my point.
Bonfires Down
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Switch 1 can be had at 200-300€, while Switch 2 is at 470€ and it's not clear whether they will be able to decrease that price anytime soon. I can see the Switch outselling PS2 over time.
Mozza
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Not sure this is relevant........... But please continue. Not really the point as people would have seen the cheap DVD player as a great reason to get one. As well as playing games of course.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
What kind of biased bullshit mentions covid but not cheap DVD player? Seriously intellectual dishonesty in the name of bullshit fanboy loyalty.From Nintendo's Official Website
"As of June 30, 2025, the Nintendo Switch has sold 153.10 million units worldwide."
IR Information : Sales Data - Dedicated Video Game Sales Units
www.nintendo.co.jp
The GOAT (PS2) currently sits at 160.6 million worldwide.
The Switch 1 had the benefit of the covid boost inflating it's numbers, in addition to being a handheld.
I knew countless people who purchased one because they needed something to do, during the lockdowns.
Mind you, these people had zero interest in games and haven't touched their Switch's in years, post-covid.
Switch 1 sales have come to a sharp halt these last few years, and it's barely moving units now that the Switch 2 is out.
PS2 will remain the highest selling home console for the foreseeable future, and possibly ever...
blacktout
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... There's less than a one million unit difference between the Switch and the DS, and those numbers are already two and a half months out of date. Are you expecting a global cataclysm between now and Christmas?
justiceiro
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Yeah, after the last direct, it really seems switch 1 still has some life to it, enough to beat PS2. However, will have to rely on sales in on the old continent.
Team Skoda
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You're not wrong about the NDS.. But do you really think it would have had the same success if it wasn't portable? Rhetorical question. Hell no it wouldn't have. PS2 was stationary and still made the numbers.
Gojiira
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Yet you believe Nintendos
Regardless PS2 had the greatest library of games ever, that is a indisputable fact and the only metric that honestly matters.
I collect VHS tapes
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Pretty sure op is a puppet account, the way he writes totally reminds me of someone. I just can't put my finger on whose alt he is
Gigabowser trying to throw off the scent by being a delusional Sony fanboy?
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TheTony316
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The PS2 did it at a time when the gaming market was much smaller than it is today.
The Switch is also a mobile/portable device which helps a lot in todays market.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Yeah that small thing called covid am i right? The one time we spent close to a year and half stuck at home (the entire damn world) and the only console available was the Switch...i'm sure that's much smaller than "cheaper dvd player" lmao
Plus the gaming industry is much bigger now, there's more people in the world, the switch is a damn hybrid console attracting 2 different types of audiences, there's also a switch edition that's only portable available and has sold like 25M consoles as well adding to this number , etc...and still i don't think Switch will get to the PS5.
But sure "cheaper dvd player".
I collect VHS tapes
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Is he still banned? Hey I could be wrong this thread is just giving me Deja vu
Hero_Select
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Sweet Tooth. Lol
kevboard
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the only big growth gaming got was in the mobile segment, and especially in Asia, not in the console segment.
sure the market grew in every category, but the console marked has been by far the most stagnant. and yes console includes handhelds like the DS, Switch etc.
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Ogbert
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You're talking complete drivel.
Gaming was hugely popular through the Atari and Amiga.
NES was the breakout console.
Woopah
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You think Switch sold over 105 million during lockdown? That's completely delusional.
But why does that matter? These consoles were designed for their specific use cases. DS would have sold fewer units if it wasn't a portable console, and the PS2 would have sold fewer units if it wasn't a home console.
They have two Switch games for 2026 but both were announced in March. Since the Switch 2 Direct in April, every new first party game announced has been Switch 2 only.
That can change of course, but when even Mario Tennis and 2D Yoshi are current gen only, that doesn't indicate to me that Switch will get heavy support from Nintendo after this holiday season. Maybe remakes and remasters like Galaxy.
If Nintendo and third parties announce major new games for 2026 then I think Switch will pass PS2. But if that doesn't happen and we don't see bundles or a price cut, I see Switch sales slowing down a lot.
MrJangles
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DQ7 is coming to Switch 1 and that will be a massive seller. It will push Switch 1 (albeit not much) and Switch 2 hardware.
I get what you're saying, but some are also completely underestimating actually how close Switch is to passing PS2. As of June 30th it was at 153m and we already know it sold an additional 180k units in Japan alone the last two months. This holiday Switch 1 has Pokemon Legends ZA, Mario Galaxy, Dragon Quest 1+2, and Metroid Prime as heavy hitters that will attract some consumers to its cheaper price point with how bad the economy is.
To pretend Switch 1 can't irk out 7m more sales by the end of 2026 given it's cheaper price, continued software support, and still cultural relevance is just grasping at straws to try to pretend PS2 is untouchable.
Woopah
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According to Nintendo's forecast, Switch should sell 4.5 million this fiscal year and be at 156.5 million by the end of March. It would then need to sell another 4 million in the other 9 months to cross PS2 by the end of 2026.
Without strong software support, I would expect sales to continue declining in 2026, so getting 4 million sales in those 9 months would be tricky.
True but they are massively low balling their sales targets for Switch 1. Depending on what they do this holiday, it will be telling how much Nintendo feels like pushing Switch 1. There are some extremely attractive bundles they can do to sell systems. Switch Lite with Pokemon is an easy pusher (but I doubt they will do that because Switch 2 already has a ZA bundle).
Another easy system pusher would be DQ1, 2, and 3 bundled with a Lite. I'm shocked Square and Nintendo aren't teaming up for bundles with those games.
The end of 2026 also won't be the end of Switch 1. With console prices continuing to increase at an uncomfortable pace, Nintendo can keep the Switch Lite relevant for years to come.
there will also be a Supreme Court hearing in October regarding trumps ability to even enact these tariffs causing prices to increase in the first place. A federal judge already says Trump doesn't have that authority and now it's the supreme courts decision to determine if one single person has this much power over the global economy. Spoiler alert, they will let him get away with it and we will all be fucked financially.
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Instant_Classic
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Switch probably would have ended up somewhere between 70 - 90 million, if it wasn't portable.
That figure might be too optimistic though.
Instant_Classic
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It had way more variety, and all the major third party games across many genres during this time of peak relevancy.Yet you believe Nintendos
Regardless PS2 had the greatest library of games ever, that is a indisputable fact and the only metric that honestly matters.
Literally, the only draw to the Switch are Nintendo games like Pokemon, AC, Mario Kart, and so.on.
That's it.
Switch probably would have ended up somewhere between 70 - 90 million, if it wasn't portable.
That figure might be too optimistic though.
And PS2 would've ended up around the same without its ability to play DVDs. You still haven't responded to my long post directed at you regarding software sales and hardware sales and how it pokes holes in your entire argument regarding PS2 and DVD being a massive reason for its sales. Still waiting for how you spin it.
and those games sold very poorly in relation to how many systems they sold. I provided the data. You're ignoring it.
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Instant_Classic
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Nintendo fanboys are struggling to grasp this.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
A massive seller in Japan, maybe, but it isn't moving a sit impossible number of Switch consoles otherwise.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
And you fail to grasp that the PS2 was sold for $100 for years and took 13 years to reach 160M. We can all make excuses.
Imagine how many units the Switch would have moved if Nintendo sold it for $150.
Instant_Classic
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No it wasn't.
Bobby Kotick stated "In a recent episode of the Grit podcast, Bobby Kotick elaborated that PlayStation 1 was the innovation gaming needed to see the biggest growth spurt. It helped the brand legitimize the gaming business with 3D graphics and transition to CD-ROMs."
Gaming during the Atari - SNES days was aimed at mostly kids.
Teens - Adults started gravitating towards gaming, rather than "grow out of it" when the PS1 arrived.
There is a reason Sony on their FIRST try beat ALL the ESTABLISHED players.
Instant_Classic
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If we play that game of "what if the Switch was $150", then we would have to agree to slash all Switch sales by whatever the Lite units sold were.
I'm being generous to allow the Lite which is 100% a portable, to be factored into the total Switch sales.
Also S Scrawnton , I'll have a response for that post you mentioned in a bit.
Oh I agree, but we are literally talking about a console (albeit old and already replaced but still economically viable) only needing to sell 6 million units in 18 months while it is still being supported with a dozen (that we know of for now) great games. I think it's obvious people are being overly negative on the Switch's ability to push those types of sales when we are literally comparing it to a system that sold 40million units after its replacement hit the shelves.
With some quick google ai searches I found this data.
PSP sold 12m units post Vita
3DS sold 10m post Switch
PS2 sold 52m after PS3 launched
GBA sold 8m post DS
DS managed 10m post 3DS
So we look at these console transitions and post "sunsetting" hardware sales and we really think Switch isn't going to push 6 million units while it still has a massive holiday lineup for 2025 and games still coming in 2026? At some point, some of you (not you specifically, some of the posters in this thread) are just refusing to look at the data.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
I love how you completely gloss over the PS2 being sold for pennies for 4 years and taking 13 years to achieve that final sales number.
The Switch reached 150 million after less than 8 years on the market without seeing a price drop. You can whine all you want, but once it inevitably surpasses the PS2, that's all that will matter.
grvg
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Since this thread seems to be a pissing contest, I'll just throw in my two cents.
The switch is cool, but the PS2 is unironically the GOAT. The jump in fidelity and tech was mind shattering at the time.
The switch is a glorified android tablet with really good games on it.
Blah blah something about numbers.
The switch is cool, but the PS2 is unironically the GOAT. The jump in fidelity and tech was mind shattering at the time.
The switch is a glorified android tablet with really good games on it.
Blah blah something about numbers.
BlackTron
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Sony declaring 155m sold is consistent with 160m produced, because not every console is a sale, some are used internally, for RMAs etc.
If they really sold 160m, how can that also be the production number? And why wouldn't they have said so for the decade or so sales stood at 155?
It smells heavily of intentionally conflating production with sales because Nintendo got too close. If Nintendo showed their total Switch 1 produced it would exceed its own sales (duh).
If they really sold 160m, how can that also be the production number? And why wouldn't they have said so for the decade or so sales stood at 155?
It smells heavily of intentionally conflating production with sales because Nintendo got too close. If Nintendo showed their total Switch 1 produced it would exceed its own sales (duh).
LordOcidax
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The Switch is a glorified android tablet that everyone is copying including Sony with the PS6.
Instant_Classic
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Instant_Classic
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They are copying it because it seems the market might be headed in that direction.
Less people (especially younger ones) seem to be interested in the traditional TV on desk or table setup.
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