Will Switch 1 Dethrone PS2 sales?
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Robb
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NeverYouMind
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Strangely fitting given how cringe the show became at the end and how cringe Switch fans are now that it is nearing its end.
Woopah
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Being portable helps way way less in today's markets than in previous markets. Just look at how 3DS and Vita sold in comparison to their predecessors.
Nintendo could absolutely push it past PS2 if they wanted, but them forecasting so low makes me think they are not interested in pushing it that much.
Their focus is on Switch 2 now and is the platform getting the bundles. Maybe Nintendo will announce a bunch of great Switch bundles for this holiday and beyond, but at the moment I'm skeptical.
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I'll take the bait. How have you read this thread and made that conclusion? Have you read anything the OP is saying to dismiss Switch and glaze PS2?
Robb
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I can't even be bothered re-watching the earlier seasons, which I thought were great, knowing how much they shit the bed with the ending. Reminded me of LOST, although I'd say GoT was even worse.
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Deputy Moonman
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Look, nintendo has been consistently reporting their sales and haven't had to magically conjure hidden numbers out of the blue to pretend that they're still special and relevant. The PS2 did have a fantastic library and yet the sales numbers of the Switch are closing in on the PS2 in a far shorter span of time. That's the only metric I need to see. This thread isn't about which console is the greatest of all time or had the greatest library of games of all time.Yet you believe Nintendos
Regardless PS2 had the greatest library of games ever, that is a indisputable fact and the only metric that honestly matters.
Instant_Classic
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The sales of the Switch are closing in, and yeah this thread is not about what is the better of the two systems.
However, it is valid to call the Switch's sales as invalid due to the lite being factored in.
The Switch sure, yeah you can call it a hybrid.
The lite is a dedicated handheld.
Why is it fair to combine those two units sales to one?
What were Switch sales, without the lite?
Genuinely curious
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LordOcidax
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Lets pretend that you can't play almost every PS2 iconic games except the first party ones in the Switch.Yet you believe Nintendos
Regardless PS2 had the greatest library of games ever, that is a indisputable fact and the only metric that honestly matters.
ReyBrujo
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Instant_Classic
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PS2 had a majority of all major third party games at their times of release.
GTA games, MGS, FF, SSX, Burnout, Midnight Club, Fight Night, Kingdom Hearts, Silent Hill, Guitar Hero, Dance Dance Revolution, etc, etc...
Unlike the Switch which excluding Nintendo's games, were a dumping ground of bad ports and old games from years prior.
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Robb
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Ogbert
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Total and utter bollocks.
Adults never had the chance to grow out of it. The youngsters that played games in the 80s and 90s are the adults that play games now and buy systems for their kids.
Why would you feed him? Now he will proclaim switch only sold 127m units.
"See! Switch is nothing without the lite propping it up.
PS2 is the bestest selling console of all time.
The Switch is a handheld hybrid so the handheld only version doesn't count!
PS2 sold the best when gamers were all virgin nerds.
Nowadays everyone is a gamer so of course Switch is selling well.
But it's really selling like shit when you consider gaming is much bigger today than it was when PS2 dominated."
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Instant_Classic
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Slash 25.71m from the total and we have about 127.5 million Switch units sold.
Far from the 160.6m sold for the PS2.
127 million units sold is still very impressive, congrats Nintendo.
Robb
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It's super impressive stats so I don't mind. I think most people on this site can see right through him, so you can consider that info to be mainly for others who are actually interested in the split.
Still waiting by the way. You respond to everyone else instantly but you still refuse to respond to what I presented to you earlier calling out your BS.
For the record I think this is hilarious. It's not that serious to me.
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Instant_Classic
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127.5 million are accurate Switch units sold.
Accurate in the sense that makes it any way feasible to compare to the PS2.
Instant_Classic
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PS2 is the best selling console of all time with a total of 160.6 million units sold.
Switch is the best selling hybrid console of all time with a total of 127.5 million units sold.
I don't know why you're against accepting this reality, it's what the number say.
Accept it...
Although yeah I agree, the numbers should be way higher considering there are more gamers today.
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Did you forget to script the AI to randomly bold statements? Cracks are showing.PS2 is the best selling console of all time with a total of 160.6 million units sold.
Switch is the best selling hybrid console of all time with a total of 127.5 million units sold.
I don't know why you're against accepting this reality, it's what the number say.
Accept it...
Instant_Classic
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AI can't right something this real and accurate, yet.
This thread isn't about stating what's the better console btw.
The Switch is approaching concerningly close distance to the PS2, and a review of this is necessary.
Thanks to
Robb
for confirming the asterisk of Switch sales, too.
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Woopah
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If you slashed 25.71 million from the PS2 sales then it's numbers would also be lower.
When comparing sales of two platforms you should include all models.
LordOcidax
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Talking about that you can play almost all the iconic PS2 on Switch… Like all the FF games, MGS games etc etc
Instant_Classic
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Disagree, the Switch Lite is an actual legitimate handheld.
S0ULZB0URNE
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What are you doing?
Woopah
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Which doesnt prevent it from being a Switch model. Just like the DS Lite is a DS model.
Instant_Classic
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I'm trying to have people understand why a direct Switch to PS2 sales comparison doesn't work.
larrybrady
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Lite sales figures are actually added to the total with its hook up to a tv model hybrid regular console?
S0ULZB0URNE
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It works.
The problem is...Sony keeps inflating the PS2's total.
Baemono
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Embarassing himself from what I can see
Robb
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Of course, it's just another SKU of the same thing. If they make a TV-only version that'll be included as well.
Baemono
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You're right, bigger competition, higher price, shorter lifespan, it shouldn't even been a discussion
NeverYouMind
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Sony should release PS2 Pro to troll Nintendo if they ever reach PS2's sales numbers.
BlackTron
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I think that he has a point. After all, the lite model is not a console, it's a handheld. When we compare sales of all gaming devices, we compare PS2 and DS. When we compare sales of handhelds, we don't.
If we can't separate the Lite sales, the next best thing would be to count any PSP sales during the PS2's life (before PS3), in addition to any 3DS sales after the Switch launched, for combined handheld/console sales during that period.
Instant_Classic
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Thank you
Robb
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Is that not what we're doing?
The question is if Switch 1 will dethrone Ps2, and the OP includes the total sales for Switch as reference, including the Lite SKU.
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S0ULZB0URNE
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Heimdall_Xtreme
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Will Switch 1 Dethrone PS2 sales?
Yes
Yes
Baemono
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Does he though ?
The difference between the Switch Lite and let's say PS2 and PSP is the shared library. Pretty much all Switch games work on Switch Lite and vice versa, minus some exceptions. It's a revision without one feature, like the later revisions of the Wii without Game Cube controller ports.
larrybrady
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Yes……I always though what makes a console a console is that it hooks up to a tv or has the option to…the tv part is imperative to a console's definition.. maybe times have changed and everythings included…if Sony/Nintendo make a watch that plays the entire ps2/switch library from the watch does that get included to the console sales? It's just seems weird, It's a slippery slope. But it's interesting
Woopah
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When we compare PS2 to DS we compare all models of both platforms. We don't remove the DS Lite numbers or PS2 Slim numbers from the total. We use 160 million for PS2 and 155 million for the DS.
It's the same with Switch or the Vita or the Xbox Series. If we were to compare the sales of these three platforms, we would include all the models. We wouldn't compare total sales of one platform to partial sales of another.
StreetsofBeige
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Probably not since people says S1 sales have dropped like a rock.
But if they do scrape up enough sales to beat PS2, all Sony will do is find a new batch of PS2 systems in a warehouse and sell them claiming theyre now at 165M.
But if they do scrape up enough sales to beat PS2, all Sony will do is find a new batch of PS2 systems in a warehouse and sell them claiming theyre now at 165M.
Robb
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I can't ever recall seeing the "console" part being defined like that. We've had the terminology of "handheld consoles" and "home consoles" since forever.
blacktout
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... You're the one who created this thread, the whole purpose of which is to compare the sales of the PS2 and Switch.
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They can't do that. They already released a photo of an enshrined system that was the last one ever produced and it was numbered 160 something million.
This thread is going to be a legendary bump when Switch passes PS2.
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BlackTron
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From OP: PS2 will remain the highest selling home console for the foreseeable future, and possibly ever...
Leading directly of course to the question whether the handheld version of another platform should "count".
Right, which is why when we count PS2 and early PSP together, we would also count late 3DS sales with Switch in my scenario, or it wouldn't be an equal measure.
Robb
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That's just a statement of opinion. Not the question being asked.
The replies in this thread, mine included, would naturally be different if the question was if the base Switch SKU and the OLED SKU combined would be able to dethrone the Ps2 or not.
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I say we don't take OPs "logic" and reasoning seriously. He's still dodging my post where I prove with game sale data a vast majority of PS2 purchases were for DVD watching, not gaming.
If that was the premise of the thread I would've just ignored it. Now I'm too invested in reading what outlandish reasoning gets posted next. It's fascinating human behavior. For all we know this could be Jim Ryan in the midst of a post-retirement mental breakdown.
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Mozza
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I would imagine theu would just magically find more sales. The last time they updated the total was years after the PS2's end... So I guess anything is possible.Sony should release PS2 Pro to troll Nintendo if they ever reach PS2's sales numbers.
Robb
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Well, I imagine a question like that would never get asked to begin with because the answer is so obvious.
Which makes this entire discussion about whether the Lite SKU should be included or not pretty absurd in and of itself.
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