Mass_Pincup
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The only reason the 360 did so well (only in the US and UK, it got outsold everywhere else) is because it released with a year head start.
The playstation brand is way bigger then Xbox.
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Will this be the defining holiday season for Xbox One?
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The only reason the 360 did so well (only in the US and UK, it got outsold everywhere else) is because it released with a year head start.
The playstation brand is way bigger then Xbox.
Hans.Gruber
Banned
Ohhhhh crap. Didn't even notice! What an important typo.
I was already wondering why people that have the same opinion as me are coming at me.
Will fix that NOW.
Fixed it.
Final Verdict
Member
Ehhh, maybe.
We still need to wait till E3 and see what they will deliver with QB being rumored to be delayed...
I think as it stands now we will get:
Forza 6
Gigantic
Halo 5 Guardians
Tomb Raider
The wildcards are:
Quantum Break
Gears Remaster
Rare Game
Fable Legends (may be summer release)
Of coarse there are a bunch of indy games too like:
Inside
Cuphead
Superhot
Goat Simulator
ect.
We still need to wait till E3 and see what they will deliver with QB being rumored to be delayed...
I think as it stands now we will get:
Forza 6
Gigantic
Halo 5 Guardians
Tomb Raider
The wildcards are:
Quantum Break
Gears Remaster
Rare Game
Fable Legends (may be summer release)
Of coarse there are a bunch of indy games too like:
Inside
Cuphead
Superhot
Goat Simulator
ect.
Okay this has to be a language barrier issue (I'm assuming your first language is German), the way your post is written you are saying that either option (same price or lower price) would result in people choosing Xbox. The same goes for the rest of the sentience when you state equal or better services. The way it's structured it's not clear that your saying the xbox has to either have a better price or better "stuff." Also the "believe" in you post in in a completely different paragraph, the part I'm talking about is stated like a fact.
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Damn, that sure does help to clear things up! Oh and as an aside, I was stationed in Germany for a little while, I have to say it's such a beautiful country (the part I saw anyways).
Hans.Gruber
Banned
Hey, yeah I think you are right. I messed up anyway, the whole confusion got started because I misplaced the ">". I meant PS>Xbox not the other way around.
And yes I meant people will "consider" an Xbox system and not "buy for sure".
I aplogogize for any confusion and time wasted.
EDIT:
Glad you liked it here!
I grew up in West-Berlin pretty near the US Army Station. And my Grandpa has always told me about the "Lüftbrücke".
I would have grown up without any gaming systems if it wasn't for the US troops. They did not have that in East Germany.
Thanks for your service and that of your veterans!
Mikey Jr.
Member
MS knows they lost already. PS4 won. It is as simple as that. They know it, we know it, everyone knows it.
MS is now trying to mitigate the damage. To prevent a huge gap from getting even bigger. Right now they are playing the cards they have. They are done in Japan, Europe is a lost cause, Asia is probably done for them too. Right now their best areas are in NA and UK.
MS is not going to start releasing high profile games in the middle of the year. It gives them a small boost relative to the MASSIVE boost they'll get in Nov/Dec. They'll get beat by Sony throughout the year, then minimize that damage in Nov/Dec.
I mean, look at Titanfall. Just look at it.
The PS4 beat them in Titanfall month. It was a complete AAA waste to move hardware. Titanfall in holiday would have probably moved way more systems.
Final Verdict
Member
But I guess those games were not mainstream enough.....
(and also, Destiny PS4 marketing really hurt them)
Forza Horizon is not as popular as Forza Motorsport, and SSO was a new IP that appeals to a more niche crowd unfortunately. Also the whole MCC troubles likely hurt them.
This holiday, they have their FM series with (FM6), a mainline Halo game (Halo 5), an exclusive tomb raider game which is a big franchise (RotTR), and so by default they should have a "better holiday" than last, BUT there is still more games coming that we don't know about for sure, so we should wait until E3 before speculating on how good their Holiday will be.
But yes, this could be X1's defining holiday, just like 2007 was a defining year for the 360 with Halo 3, Bioshock, and Cod4 MW.
OT:
That's really cool actually, I hope to go back sometime soon, and bring my wife with me this time. Plus this time I wont have a trip to certain desert looming over my time there.
Anyways, is there any reason people believe something gears related will come out this year? All I've seen were tweets suggesting that no collection is in the works.
That's really cool actually, I hope to go back sometime soon, and bring my wife with me this time. Plus this time I wont have a trip to certain desert looming over my time there.
Anyways, is there any reason people believe something gears related will come out this year? All I've seen were tweets suggesting that no collection is in the works.
Hans.Gruber
Banned
They said on twitter there is NO Gears collection in the works but teased that sth will be announced at E3.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/no-xbox-one-marcus-fenix-collection-but-dev-teases/1100-6426025/
OT:
hit me up once you are here
Final Verdict
Member
No.
They have not "lost" in UK/US (at least not in their minds) they are going to do everything they can to catch up this year, just like they did last year.
Also, Titanfall was not a waste just because they lost the month. They lost the month because their console was $100 more with mandatory Kinect, and still had a lot of backlash and hate from launch.
Titanfall saved the X1 from suffering the same fate as the Wii U did in the months after launch period, and moved a ton of units from February-April.
Also, they aren't just moving everything to Holday because they have "given up" on jan-oct. months. They can't just magically make their developers finish their games early, and so they will come out when they are ready.
Next Spring they will likely have a much better lineup....I think Scalebound is rumored, and if QB gets delayed, it may be spring 2016.
HocusPocus
Member
Lineup looks solid to me this holiday. Best exclusive lineup by far. Hopefully the multiplats are closer in terms of performance to the PS4 than last year on average.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
If all Microsoft have are "defining holiday seasons", then they're going to suffer once the PS4 comes down in price.
The exclusive line up may be better, but it's been better for a while and it hasn't really made a massive difference.
The exclusive line up may be better, but it's been better for a while and it hasn't really made a massive difference.
The Artisan
Member
how long does localization for persona games take? i sure would love to play it here in the U.S this year.
Nightengale
Member
Anywhere from 2-5 months. SMT4 was 2 months. Persona Q was 5. Devil Survivor 2 : Record Breaker will be 4.
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
Isn't Elite Dangerous out this holiday? I could see MS making a physical copy of it for holiday
Maybe niche, but I think it would sell decently on XB1
Maybe niche, but I think it would sell decently on XB1
Nightengale
Member
"Summer"
The Artisan
Member
so is it reasonable to believe persona 5 won't even release in america this year?
Jack Scofield
Member
It's a shame that these next gen systems apparently took so many developers by surprise. The PS4 launched in 2013, but won't receive its first MAJOR exclusive until three years later? There needs to be better management or something.
Nightengale
Member
Just as reasonable as believing that as of 2 months ago, Uncharted 4 and Zelda U will come out this year.
Until a game goes gold, there's always the possibility of delay. Even for games that no one blinks an eye about it being annualised, like AssCreed or Call of Duty.
There's always a 1% chance.
PS4 didn't lost their big exclusive for this holiday, unless Ratchet & Clank got delayed to 2016.
But yes, Microsoft Studios has a nice line-up of games this holiday (Forza 6, Halo 5, Quantum Break, Rise of the Tomb Raider. All four games look very interesting).
I don't know why some people place so much emphasis on holiday line-ups though, to me it would be a bit more convenient if publishers, especially Microsoft Studios, could spread their games throughout the year a bit more. The holidays are usually already crowded with games, so imo they shouldn't oversaturate it.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Yeah it will be their biggest.
H5, Gears C and Forza.
Pretty awesome
H5, Gears C and Forza.
Pretty awesome
Nightengale
Member
Uncharted 4 will be releasing 3 years after TLoU, which is nowadays, fair game in terms of AAA development time.
Unless your definition of better management was to cancel the PS3 version of TLoU, and pretend it's built-from-the-grounds-up as PS4 game last year with the Remastered.
DarthWalden
Banned
What's a 'MAJOR' exclusive? Another arbitrary definition to decide what counts for "list wars"?
Nightengale
Member
miDnIghtEr20C
Banned
Ha ha.. could you imagine how much time DC needed then if it already had that year delay and still considered rushed.
justsomeguy
Member
Doesn't mean a thing. I went for xbox over ps4 @ launch because I wanted a titanfall box. Without tf xbox launch would have been even worse imo
Didn't Greenberg already say there was no Gears collection? I think he tweeted it.
Nightengale
Member
I think it's disingenous to assume that Titanfall didn't move a shitload of XB1s just because it lost to PS4. Titanfall did ridiculously well for a new 'somewhat exclusive' IP.
It's just that $100 price-advantage + Playstation brand is a bigger system seller than Titanfall.
And that XB1 would had done a LOT worse if it didn't have Titanfall.
He said no Marcus Fenix collection, but Judgment didn't have him in it.
Hans.Gruber
Banned
Not MS but the Studio Head of the Black Tusk developers.
There will be sth Gears-related announced at E3.
But NO Collection. And no date confirmed whatsoever.
Everything info is pure speculation.
My bet: Gears 4 in 2016
source:
https://twitter.com/intent/retweet?...6025/&tw_i=578553820344545281&tw_p=tweetembed
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
Forza won't sell much? Lol
Final Verdict
Member
Define "dead"
Halo five will sell more than all three of those games combined.
Also they have Forza 6, and Tomb Raider this year.....
Mass Effect
Member
But how low can they keep going though? They've already lowered the price to as low as ~$300 in the first year, and most of us can reasonable assume that Sony will be lowering the PS4 to $300 sometime this year. Is MS really going to go to $250 to counter? $200? It would be absolutely crazy to see the Xbox receive a 50% (or more) price reduction in two years, especially when the 360's price had only been cut $50 from it's original price in that same time span.
I mean I know Microsoft can afford it, but continuous fire sales are not a good way to build momentum (they're actually counter-productive), it's not sustainable.
Oh and Scalebound, like ALL Platinum games not named Metal Gear Rising, isn't going to do anything. It will be a great supplemental niche title that does add value, but it's not going to move consoles by any great amount.
Am I seeing list warriors using indie games to prop up XB1's lacking game schedule here? What a difference a year makes
Last Forza game didn't do so well, so it's hardly unreasonable to believe this year's game could meet the same fate.
Last Forza game didn't do so well, so it's hardly unreasonable to believe this year's game could meet the same fate.
I wonder where the idea that Forza is a big game came from? If Forza is big then nearly every game is big and sells well. We know this not to be the case.
miDnIghtEr20C
Banned
I don't think MS or Sony felt like that about the Wii less than 2 years into the generation.
Imo last Xmas was their defining Holiday.
4 Halo games in one package, Sunset Overdrive, Forza Horizon 2, ACU and AC3 free with consoles $50 to $100 cheaper than the competition which had no price cut to speak of, and their defining AAA pushed to 2015 (The Order).
This time around, the competition will have a price cut (99% chance), MGS V bundles, will have something like BB+TLOU and LBP3+Knack in bundles, and if you think UC4 gets delayed 8 months before the Holidays without Sony having secured some AAAs ...
My only fear is that they resorted to fight fire with fire and bought 3rd party AAA exclusives like TR... Which would suck.
4 Halo games in one package, Sunset Overdrive, Forza Horizon 2, ACU and AC3 free with consoles $50 to $100 cheaper than the competition which had no price cut to speak of, and their defining AAA pushed to 2015 (The Order).
This time around, the competition will have a price cut (99% chance), MGS V bundles, will have something like BB+TLOU and LBP3+Knack in bundles, and if you think UC4 gets delayed 8 months before the Holidays without Sony having secured some AAAs ...
My only fear is that they resorted to fight fire with fire and bought 3rd party AAA exclusives like TR... Which would suck.
Smutpeddler
Member
I think MS is quite happy to keep selling every month. For the most part they don't give a shit what Sony sells. Their job is to maximize their sales and then have each one of those units keep generating more sales and revenue. The mentality in here that they are watching the sales like we do is wrong.
They have internal sales numbers and trends. They can watch the market change real time. They also have to plan these holiday seasons years in advance. They give almost zero shits what Sony or Nintendo do.
I would even venture a guess and say the people that work at these companies own the competition consoles too. Unlike most commenters in this thread.
They have internal sales numbers and trends. They can watch the market change real time. They also have to plan these holiday seasons years in advance. They give almost zero shits what Sony or Nintendo do.
I would even venture a guess and say the people that work at these companies own the competition consoles too. Unlike most commenters in this thread.
I hope this is a defining season for both consoles, but to keep on topic, with what we know so far, Xbox One is going to have to great titles. With E3 very close, the gaps will hopefully be closed and it will make for some incredible games. Talking about non-exclusives, Mad Max and Metal Gear Solid V being in September already makes the final four months extremely interesting right out of the gate, and that's before we see things like Halo 5, Forza 6, and Rise of the Tomb Raider come out.
But really, I hope there's a Rare game this fall. Even if it's a digital Battletoads, that's cool, but a substantial game from them would make me very, very happy.
But really, I hope there's a Rare game this fall. Even if it's a digital Battletoads, that's cool, but a substantial game from them would make me very, very happy.
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