Mortisfacio
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I know this is a joke, but just in case somebody hasn't seen it and was curious I found this amusing:
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Windows 10 Support Dropping October 2025 (8.1 and 7 also)
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I know this is a joke, but just in case somebody hasn't seen it and was curious I found this amusing:
Red Crayon Aristocrat
Member
This is not good, the more Windows goes on the worse it gets.
That Recall AI is gonna be of great use to the NWO thugs who kick in your door to take you to the FEMA camp too.
That Recall AI is gonna be of great use to the NWO thugs who kick in your door to take you to the FEMA camp too.
Puscifer
Member
Jesus fucking Christ this can't be a serious post
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Win11 isn’t bad but I have to strip stupid telemetry on every big update. It’s palatable on a gaming machine to an extent but f that for anything else.
Mac or Linux work fine for non gaming purposes and Linux is getting closer to being the main gaming rig every week. Well, if you don’t play a lot of MP.
Mac or Linux work fine for non gaming purposes and Linux is getting closer to being the main gaming rig every week. Well, if you don’t play a lot of MP.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
And a metric fuckton of extra telemetry. And oh boy, just wait for even more copilot shit and Recall.
ReBurn
Gold Member
I've been using Windows 11 Pro on almost all of my Windows machines for a couple of years now. It started off rough but it's a smooth experience for me now. The only one I haven't upgraded is my Plex server, but I'm thinking of just replacing that with a Linux mini PC or maybe a used Mac Mini.
I don't game on Windows 11 much right now but I haven't had any issues with it when I do. It's pretty much the same experience as Windows 10.
I don't game on Windows 11 much right now but I haven't had any issues with it when I do. It's pretty much the same experience as Windows 10.
Miyazaki’s Slave
Gold Member
If you have a relatively new laptop (last 4 years) the issue is probably a bios setting. You need to turn on TPM setting then the PC can install Windows 11 (it required the trusted platform module to be active).
bitbydeath
Gold Member
With ARM taking off, gaming on MAC is going to become a whole lot bigger.
SiahWester
Member
Cool. I'll be switching over to Linux for my primary uses. I've learned a ton thanks to my Steam Deck. I am so done with the spyware from these companies. Google included. Use alternatives. They are out there.
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ReBurn
Gold Member
That's probably the most frustrating thing for me, too. I can turn off telemetry but they turn it back on with their big semi-yearly updates and they don't notify me when they do it. That's why I spend more time on my Mac for most of my personal stuff.
For my work projects Windows 11 works brilliantly. The built in Linux integration is smooth and convenient.
VolticArchangel
Member
10 should have been a couple more years, but they're trying to accelerate everyone to 11, and eventually 12 later on.
alphachino
Member
I recently switched to nixOS + hyprland window manager, it's amazing.
alphachino
Member
I use unRAID as my Plex server. Solid as rock.
Kittehkraken
Member
It blows my mind that my X99 based PC can't officially upgrade to Windows 11 yet my fathers $200 dollar laptop that struggles just watching videos on Youtube can.
No choice but to build a new computer once Microsoft drops security updates for Windows 10......or get a Mac and finally be rid of Microsoft.
No choice but to build a new computer once Microsoft drops security updates for Windows 10......or get a Mac and finally be rid of Microsoft.
Unknown Soldier
Member
It's not, because Mac doesn't run Windows
It's trivial to upgrade any machine with 4th Gen Core (Haswell) or newer to 11 unofficially and it works exactly the same as officially supported.
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bitbydeath
Gold Member
Won’t need to, games are currently coded for X86, when that switches to ARM it’s a free for all.
Windows ARM machines need an X86 emulator to run todays games.
Edit: I should add that they still get packaged differently but the largest barrier will be gone.
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Red Crayon Aristocrat
Member
It was not, but recall is still a creepy invasion of privacy.
alphachino
Member
Yeah, it depends on whether your motherboard has TPM which is "trusted Platform Modules". Your MB probably doesn't have that, but you can bypass it easily enough if you wanted to go down that path.
alphachino
Member
I can totally imagine a self-hosted server application that has a client that runs on any PC (Mac/Linux/windows) that can function the same way and help you "recall" anything you do on your PC. The functionality of recall is actually fucking amazing and exactly something I have wanted for years... but do I trust MS with any of my data, even though they'll swear up and down redmond that it stays local on my machine? HELL to the FUCK to the NO!
RickSanchez
Member
I get the sense from this thread that im a complete casual when it comes to Windows usage. I have Windows 11 on my gaming rig, on which i only do gaming and some other media consumption. Nothing else. I have not run into any OS-specific problems so far, but that seems to be because my use-cases are limited. I still use use Winaero tweaker to correct some of the annoyances like disabling copilot, disabling telemetry, enabling the old win10 right-click menu, etc after which the experience is smooth, the same as win10. So i don't get what all the fuss is about.
Unknown Soldier
Member
No because Apple doesn't use Direct3D or even OpenGL/Vulkan, they use their own Metal API and games not only need to run in x86 emulation they also need to translate Direct3D or OpenGL/Vulkan calls to Metal
The largest barrier isn't even the x86 emulation, that was solved long ago by Rosetta 2 and customizations Apple made to the Apple Silicon hardware. The largest barrier is translating to Metal, if you think this is easy then you have no idea how much of a pain in the ass it has been to make Steam Deck's Proton translation layer that translates Direct3D calls to OpenGL/Vulkan in Linux, even today there are many games Steam Deck simply doesn't work with and there is still a significant performance penalty for the translation
Soodanim
Gold Member
From a quick search, 1.86% of users were affected by that. For comparison, as of the most recent Steam survey 10 is 51.02% and 11 is 41.15%.
I don't think 10 users have too much to worry about just yet. My quick search also told me at least part of the reason was Chrome dropping 7 support, which Steam uses for various things.
RCU005
Member
What I hate about Windows since 8, is that they are not consistent with the design. They still have many elements from Windows 7 era.
Settings sucks. You have the settings app, but then also still control panel. With Windows 11 the Menu bar is now the ad bar.
Windows OS need to be simplified a lot. If you want to change a setting, all settings should be in the same place.
Same design everywhere.
Better design overall
Settings sucks. You have the settings app, but then also still control panel. With Windows 11 the Menu bar is now the ad bar.
Windows OS need to be simplified a lot. If you want to change a setting, all settings should be in the same place.
Same design everywhere.
Better design overall
nemiroff
Gold Member
That's how it works in practice for basically everyone. But adding a layer of feelings on top to try to negate the facts seems somehow important for some.Did my build and installed Windows 11 off the bat- no issues at all. I click games and they work
//ex Mac fanboy and long time Linux power user at work.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Mac supports Vulkan. OpenGL was retired, even on Linux and Direct3D is a MS thing.
Edit: Here’s a link
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Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Ironic. I booted up my newish laptop yesterday after not using for a couple of months, first splash screen was it pushing the Windows 11 'update' 
I only bought it in January, new.
I only bought it in January, new.
IAmRei
Member
Im quite hating 10, but at least it is not alienate me much. Quite awful, but still manageable and still worked.
Few week ago, I bought new laptop for Wife, she complain as well since it is alienate Her.
If not because I need 11 later on for work, i wont upgrade at all, screw you microshit.
Few week ago, I bought new laptop for Wife, she complain as well since it is alienate Her.
If not because I need 11 later on for work, i wont upgrade at all, screw you microshit.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Uh, that PDF you linked to clearly states it's a Vulkan translation layer on top of Metal, and that it's a WIP which isn't fully compliant with the Vulkan 1.0 standard nor 1.1 through 1.3
ahtlas7
Member
Free? I had a windows pop up that said I would need to pay to upgrade.
kurisu_1974
Member
So true. I still remember being at some PC hardware fair when Windows 98 came out and overhearing people saying they would NEVER upgrade from 95. I admit 98 was a bit shit until SE but still.
winjer
Member
Remember that Macs used to run Intel X86 CPUs. And still, there was no flood with games being ported to Macs.
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
How's the security on Linux?
winjer
Member
Linux is the standard for servers, because of it's security.
The sheer amount of bloat added to windows 11 along with data tracking, advertising, lecturing and requiring a MS account login makes it hard to like. Yes there are tools to remove those but how long those last is questionable as MS updates the system. Also the whole AI craze is something I do not trust MS or anyone else on.
If they just offered a retail version of windows 11 with all of that stuff stripped out at a price premium that would keep most people happy looking for a classic experience.
Linux is like 80% of the way there to being a viable alternative, but still has gaps that are being filled with a whole lot of behind the scenes stuff going on, Nvidia drivers with RTX hardware are now a lot better.
I'd just go with kubuntu if your starting out (Tuxedo is better), not the ideal distro but it should work, there is a decent SteamOS clone called Bazzite that is community made. But what's really needed is Valve to make SteamOS available to general PC's you have a trusted company and brand behind it.
If they just offered a retail version of windows 11 with all of that stuff stripped out at a price premium that would keep most people happy looking for a classic experience.
Linux is like 80% of the way there to being a viable alternative, but still has gaps that are being filled with a whole lot of behind the scenes stuff going on, Nvidia drivers with RTX hardware are now a lot better.
I'd just go with kubuntu if your starting out (Tuxedo is better), not the ideal distro but it should work, there is a decent SteamOS clone called Bazzite that is community made. But what's really needed is Valve to make SteamOS available to general PC's you have a trusted company and brand behind it.
Insane Metal
Member
Wtf? Already? Forcing us to go to W11, ffs
Zathalus
Member
Never actually stated by Microsoft.
ManaByte
Member
hinch7
Member
Pretty much. I stalled on updating for as much as I could. To avoid bugs but W11 is really stable now. Probably more-so than it has ever been in 10.
I don't see much reason not to do it. Unless you're proper stubborn or have a really old PC that physically can't run/install 11.
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Deleted member 848825
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So what is the downside of W10 going end of life if you you only use it for browsing? I assume it just means no more updates (which for me is a positive)? As long as chrome carries on supporting it for years to come, I'll stay put.
chilichote
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I would like to, inevitably, but my PC is not supported by Windows 11...