BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
I still have windows installed on a 126 gig SATA SSD from like 2012. I need to move the install to my M2 drive to get windows 11. How much of a pain in the ass is this process these days?
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Windows 11 is already used by 24.71% of PC Gamers. 2.94% growth in August alone.
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Omnipunctual Godot
Gold Member
Wish I hadn't upgraded. Many games lag on launch, from 20 seconds to over a minute (Sekiro) before you can access the main menu.
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LavitzSlambert
Member
It was rarely an issue on Mac, but with Windows it’s better to start fresh than to ever upgrade to a major release. I just don’t have it in me these days, so I’ll be sitting tight with Windows 10 until they stop the long term security patches.
nkarafo
Member
Should be pretty easy with something like Mini Tool Partition Wizard. Use clone disc and you should be OK. I moved a ton of setups from old HDDs to SSDs with no issues.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Never? I don't see any problems in years. Even auto-HDR works.
nkarafo
Member
"never worked" probably means "always looked like shit".
At least in my case i can confirm that.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Here it doesn't, unless it does on already known games that suck on all platforms like RDR2 (I don't remember if it was ever fixed).
winjer
Gold Member
I used Win11 for a year. Did a few tweaks to improve the UI, but still, it was very lacking.
With one of the updates a couple of months ago, I started to get a weird bug with rendering some UI elements.
So a couple of weeks ago, I decided to format and do a clean install. But decided to go back to Win10.
And it was like an upgrade, especially the UI. So much better than Win11.
Although I didn't benchmark both, from what I can tell, the performance is the same.
With one of the updates a couple of months ago, I started to get a weird bug with rendering some UI elements.
So a couple of weeks ago, I decided to format and do a clean install. But decided to go back to Win10.
And it was like an upgrade, especially the UI. So much better than Win11.
Although I didn't benchmark both, from what I can tell, the performance is the same.
lukilladog
Member
You were lucky I guess.
"But on Windows PCs, the brightness- and contrast-boosting technology has been plagued by poor implementation, so-so results when it actually does work, and conflicts in previous versions of Windows that could sometimes lead to worse image quality, instead of better."
https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/testing-auto-hdr-in-windows-11-a-better-way-to-brighten-up-your-games
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
This is about Auto HDR only. Maybe I was luck with the games I tested or I didn't noticed.
lukilladog
Member
The introduction is talking about the hdr implementation in general.
Dirk Benedict
Member
Can't really find a justification to upgrade. This shit seems extremely invasive. I have a laptop with windows 11 that I bought my Mother. She was installing her point and click games from windows 98/XP era and the damned OS kept bugging her about it actually being her, running/using the computer. Input a pin, now input a password. She's too old to be bothered with that shit.
I had finally gotten TMP 2.0 running, after digging through my bios, but the more I experience with Win 11 and read about it's negatives, it's cons. I am more inclined to stay away from it.
I had finally gotten TMP 2.0 running, after digging through my bios, but the more I experience with Win 11 and read about it's negatives, it's cons. I am more inclined to stay away from it.
names are for friends
Member
Everyone wants to use Linux but nobody wants random games to just not function properly.
Anyway I'm one of the Win 11 losers. I just wanted auto HDR and god knows Win 10 is also a big POS so how much worse could it be? It's not like they can't already syphon off all my data to some evil government agency or whatever. Functionally this is just Windows 10 once you fix the UI stuff they messed with. Auto HDR is nice.
This has never happened to me on any of my two computers with Windows 11 installed. That doesn't sound normal.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
And where is the part saing that never worked well?
Dirk Benedict
Member
It's not normal. This is the first time I have had time with windows 11. My first impression is that it is fast, even on lower end specced machine like hers. But, I don't like the desktop, maybe that is just predisposed bias.
I heard you can change it, but it's her machine and I don't think it really needs to be changed to suit me, I just make sure everything she needs to use is in front of her and she comes to me if she needs help understanding something new.
Fuz
Banned
Oh this is similar to my experience with 10.
Bought a new laptop for my mom, we saw fucking advertising (shame on all of you for accepting that lying down) on the start menu, she couldn't really get around like she was used to and we returned it.
Years later, she's still rocking her old W7 laptop even if she broke the screen hinge.
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lukilladog
Member
I was the one saying it never worked well, the article supports my claim with sentences like "as scattershot as it could get on Windows PCs".
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
In the same article they say that it works "well" on FH5. So how the hell it never worked?
Dirk Benedict
Member
Oh this is similar to my experience with 10.
Bought a new laptop for my mom, we saw fucking advertising (shame on all of you for accepting that lying down) on the start menu, she couldn't really get around like she was used to and we returned it.
Years later, she's still rocking her old W7 laptop even if she broke the screen hinge.
I might downgrade if it becomes persistent and of course, if she wants.
lukilladog
Member
That´s windows 11.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
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names are for friends
Member
Always nuke the OS on any prebuilt or laptop imo. It's always full of rubbish they get paid to put on there.Oh this is similar to my experience with 10.
Bought a new laptop for my mom, we saw fucking advertising (shame on all of you for accepting that lying down) on the start menu, she couldn't really get around like she was used to and we returned it.
Years later, she's still rocking her old W7 laptop even if she broke the screen hinge.
But also it's very silly how much you have to unfuckulate Windows 10/11 to make it usable. There are programs and scripts that can sort it out but it's still beyond the average user.
E: I think more people would be complaining about the advertising if it wasn't removable though, I think I'd start looking at Linux more seriously... better believe I have Windows update hard disabled so they can't screw with the OS any more but this also means I CAN'T PLAY MICROSOFT GAMES EVEN THROUGH STEAM thanks MS
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lukilladog
Member
Why don´t you read the article?. They concluded that hdr on windows 11 is much closer to a proper implementation than it was on windows 10:
"That said, HDR, a feature that once seemed like it was tacked onto the Windows ecosystem, is nearer to becoming a part of the whole. It's almost integral to the experience of gaming on a PC in the same way it has been for console gamers for some time."
Nocturno999
Member
I still can't see any reason to "upgrade". Win 10 is super stable and it seems 11 is even more intrusive.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
I read. They said Windows ecosystem there, one should assume by the word ecosystem that it's about both 10 and 11.
In the end they even say "Auto HDR in Windows 10 and 11 have brought thousands of PC games one step closer to making your next HDR monitor purchase worth the extra cost."
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lukilladog
Member
I wont thank multi-trillion companies for making half-assed software implementations and then take years to bring them to an usable level.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
I won't too. And it is usable for several games for years already.
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names are for friends
Member
HDR was always fine in HDR content for me. It only sucked on "fake" HDR-compatible displays. Idk.
2.7% of people use that.
Steam user data:
Windows 10 64 bit
71.76%
Windows 11 64 bit
24.71%
Windows 7 64 bit
2.70%
Windows 8.1 64 bit
0.53%
Windows 7
0.15%
Windows 10
0.06%
Other
0.08%
-0.02%
What gaming OS monopoly, we have steam and Wine, am I right guys?
Fuz
Banned
I'm using 8.1 and I HEAVILY modified it to make it sufferable. It was a titanic undertaking that took a lot of time. I don't think there's another PC in existance that looks and feels like mine.
I dread the day that I will be forced to switch OS. I probably just retire in the woods and live off grid like an hermit, instead
Can someone elaborate?
When Win 11 came out it said my system is not supported. Now it says it is. My system works great so why should I upgrade?
Eddie-Griffin
Banned
Easier said than done, and some retailers set the trap to void the warranty or returns of it results in issues.
names are for friends
Member
It's really not, you just download the ISO from Microsoft, use Rufus to write a bootable USB drive, wipe the storage and install... ok maybe you have to do it with just the keyboard and maybe you need to put some drivers if it uses Intel Optane or w/e. Windows Update usually installs required drivers and software after install
I didn't know about warranty though. It feels like that shouldn't even be a factor in a warranty for a hardware issue but idk.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
One thing I really hate is how metro apps have basically broken windows theming. Xp and 7 basically let you do whatever but metro is far more locked into the os, so you can't customize the look of them easily, and metro is fucking everywhere in windows 10. It sucks because early 2000s litestep themes were so damn snazzy and I wouldn't mind using them on my windows installation but 10 has just screwed up teeming entirely. It'd also probably why 10s themes are so much more basic than 7s
tylrdiablos
Member
Does it still require a TPM on the motherboard? That alone would set me back £45/$50USD.