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NotTarts said:
Why should it? I can't see the advantage of predefined screens when the horizontal space is so large.
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I wouldn't use a Windows Phone pivot, nor conventional tabs. But I think the addition of links for the groups might be helpful. Next to the white 'Start', you could place -- somewhat greyed out -- all the group titles. Then you could jump to the groups with one click. Wouldn't scale well when you have an insane amount of groups and might not be perfectly consistent with other areas of the OS and of apps. They probably don't expect the users to use that many tiles and groups to make that necessary.
 
maeh2k said:
I wouldn't use a Windows Phone pivot, nor conventional tabs. But I think the addition of links for the groups might be helpful. Next to the white 'Start', you could place -- somewhat greyed out -- all the group titles. Then you could jump to the groups with one click. Wouldn't scale well when you have an insane amount of groups and might not be perfectly consistent with other areas of the OS and of apps. They probably don't expect the users to use that many tiles and groups to make that necessary.
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Doesn't semantic zoom already accomplish this across the entire OS?
 
maeh2k said:
Semantic zoom on the start screen is probably good enough and it might be better to stick with just that, but it's still an additional step und it's not perfect for mouse input.
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Just shoot the pointer to the bottom right with the mouse.
 
Four days of settings, reverting to CP and back and resetting of OSs and I finally fixed it!

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Screw you collective intelligence of the internet. You suck.
 
NotTarts said:
I can't believe that you're forced to go into the desktop to perform something as essential as managing files. Just ridiculous, especially for a tablet. You can't even create folders in the file picker.

I don't have a problem with most of Windows 8, but basic design flaws like this, the existence of the desktop on Windows RT, and the default programs thing might just ruin it for me on some form factors to be honest.
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I'm glad to see after berating markot for using the desktop on his tablet that you are boggled (as I am) that this is how win RT works.

There should've been some sort of basic metro file manager app or more windows settings that common users would need to use built into metro's interface/settings page. As it stands right now, it's a bit ugly as its not easy to use the desktop on a 10 inch screen.
 
2 crashes in 2 days.

Everything freezes and I hear a beep. I then have to restart my computer. On doing so the second time I got a "checking hard drive for consistency" thing on boot.
 
Enco said:
2 crashes in 2 days.

Everything freezes and I hear a beep. I then have to restart my computer. On doing so the second time I got a "checking hard drive for consistency" thing on boot.
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My system hardlocked twice in a day. I removed the RP and may try to reinstall it in a VM. I'm trying hard to understand the appeal of the dual interface, but I still haven't found it yet.
 
Are people that had the CP installed encountering problems like the above posters in the RP? I still haven't had time to upgrade but the CP has been running with 0 issues ever on my laptop.
 
Have had 3 freezes today. I am back in Win 7 for now, but I moved all the programs I use to my Win 8 partition. The freezing issue is annoying, it happens everyday and was not in the CP.
 
It's annoying when I switch back to Win7 and go into Zune, I have to enable access to the subscription folder with all my Zune Pass music, which takes a bit of time for it to read all my albums again. Any way to fix that?
 
I've no issues with the core OS... but Metro apps just keep going mental on me.

Refusing to load, having to constantly re-link and unlink my local account.
 
I installed this on my brand new build 5/31 and it has been completely solid, aside from driver's not recognizing the OS and needing to be updated. Now that I've got that sorted out its all working great. No freezes, only had BSODs when I was working on my OC, so hardware related only.

I've hardly touched metro so no comments on that.
 
Lynn616 said:
Anyone else have Chrome lock up the system? Has done so several times for me.
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I've been using Chrome stable (version 19).

No issues here.

I was using beta (version 20) in the Consumer Preview, and several times the system would not shut down.
 
Luckily I installed Windows 8 on a virtual hard drive -- benefits of both worlds. The Customer Preview was more stable and Chrome is an integral part to my workflow (I understand why Google is pushing it as an OS).
 
Kabuki Quantum Lover said:
My system hardlocked twice in a day. I removed the RP and may try to reinstall it in a VM. I'm trying hard to understand the appeal of the dual interface, but I still haven't found it yet.
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I don't think it makes sense on current hardware. I don't think I'll upgrade any of my machines.

That said, I think it makes total sense on the hybrid stuff currently showing at Computex.
 
The only hardlock I had was due to a buggy app I've just made :P
The system itself is stable. Apps, on the other hand, crashed few times (launch -> loading screen -> back to the start screen).
 
maeh2k said:
Semantic zoom on the start screen is probably good enough and it might be better to stick with just that, but it's still an additional step und it's not perfect for mouse input.
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Why? You can either press the -/+ button (right bottom corner) or scroll up/down while holding Ctrl.
 
Mr_Zombie said:
The only hardlock I had was due to a buggy app I've just made :P
The system itself is stable. Apps, on the other hand, crashed few times (launch -> loading screen -> back to the start screen).
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You shouldn't be able to hardlock a modern OS with an app.

The system isn't very stable, pretty much the worst late beta I've used from MS (luckily I switched to NT in the mid 90's so I didn't have to deal with the instability of the 32 bit hybrid windows kernels).
 
interesting code in mscorlib.dll
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Code: 
// System.CompatibilitySwitches
public static bool IsAppEarlierThanWindowsPhone8
{
	[TargetedPatchingOptOut("Performance critical to inline across NGen image boundaries")]
	get
	{
		return false;
	}
}


// System.ObjectDisposedException
[__DynamicallyInvokable]
public string ObjectName
{
	[__DynamicallyInvokable]
	get
	{
		if (this.objectName == null && !CompatibilitySwitches.IsAppEarlierThanWindowsPhone8)
		{
			return string.Empty;
		}
		return this.objectName;
	}
}
Huh, why not?
 
I haven't had any issues since I re-installed. My first install (from USB, CP to RP) messed up my resolution and made a second internal HDD disappear. It was weird; it was a clean install as there is no option to upgrade from the CP, yet it kept some of my settings -- my taskbar stayed to the left vertically, and my taskbar colour/wallpaper theme stayed as it was. It obviously wasn't a totally fresh install and thus issues cropped up. Another install (via the .exe, RP to RP) and everything is fine. It feels quicker and stabler than the CP did for me. Chrome works fine too.
 
InaudibleWhispa said:
I haven't had any issues since I re-installed. My first install (from USB, CP to RP) messed up my resolution and made a second internal HDD disappear. It was weird; it was a clean install as there is no option to upgrade from the CP, yet it kept some of my settings -- my taskbar stayed to the left vertically, and my taskbar colour/wallpaper theme stayed as it was. It obviously wasn't a totally fresh install and thus issues cropped up. Another install (via the .exe, RP to RP) and everything is fine. It feels quicker and stabler than the CP did for me. Chrome works fine too.
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Aren't a bunch of your personally settings stored in the cloud now? My desktop wallpaper and pinned websites, for example, showed up automatically on all my installs.
 
as a test i uninstalled chrome and am going to only use IE10 (metro unless the desktop is needed). I think my main gripes will end up being no bookmark bar, limited add ons and the limits metro apps have with multi monitors.
 
Anyone that is having lockups/freezing in the RP, did you have the same problems with the CP (assuming you used it?)
 
rozay said:
Anyone that is having lockups/freezing in the RP, did you have the same problems with the CP (assuming you used it?)
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Near the end of the CP, which I had installed the entire time, I started getting freezing. I've had it once on the RP, but it was linked to a rogue application eating up my resources. I recommend this over the CP any day, file explorer is actually fast again.
 
just found out that this thing sucks ass from behind a corporate firewall. metro apps appear not to work at all, think you're 'not connected to the internet'

on my test environment with an isa 2006 firewall with NO authentication as a proxy, desktop works fine, 'photos' works fine, but store/news/finance/whatever else all of them say 'you're not connected to the internet'

monitor the isa box and none of them generate traffic through it. tried group policies to force it, everything.

machine is

domain member with domain account login
proxy to an ISA 2006

crappy effort MS, ISA is your own product and isn't that much different from the newer TMG, which is also giving the problem.
 
This is how Microsoft treats his Ex-Girlfriends:

HTC Is Said to Be Shut Out of Next Version of Windows


HTC Corp. (2498) is being shut out of the introduction of Microsoft (MSFT) Corp.’s next Windows software, people with knowledge of the matter said, cutting off another source of revenue after HTC reduced its second-quarter sales forecast by 13 percent.

Microsoft locked out HTC from the development of products using the newest version of its operating system on concern that HTC doesn’t sell enough devices or have ample experience making tablets, said the people, who asked not to be named because negotiations between HTC and other companies are private.

HTC Said to Be Shut Out of Next Version of Microsoft’s Windows

Microsoft’s decision will keep HTC from participating in the electronics industry’s latest attempt to erode Apple Inc. (AAPL)’s lead in tablets. The Taiwanese company is also facing shortages from chipmaker Qualcomm Inc. (QCOM), highlighting the challenge of competing with Apple and Samsung Electronics Co. -- two companies whose lead in manufacturing and software are increasingly marginalizing smaller rivals like HTC.

“Every consumer knows about Samsung’s Galaxy platform and the iPhone, and you are starting to see consumers coalesce around them,” said Matthew Thornton, an analyst at Avian Securities LLC, who yesterday cut his rating on HTC to “negative.” “Things just get worse from here. It’s a very bleak outlook.”

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Tightly Controlled

Microsoft, which has tightly controlled the number of ARM- based devices it is supporting at first to ensure quality, opted not to work with HTC after initial discussions with the company, said two people familiar with the matter. The world’s largest software maker decided HTC didn’t have the sales volume needed and had less tablet experience than some of the other vendors it could choose to work with for the first round of devices, the people said.

HTC engineers wanted to build a Windows device with a customized home screen that would be distinctive to its devices, as manufacturers are allowed to do with Android. Redmond, Washington-based Microsoft refused, said the people, and HTC was left off the list of companies the software maker provided with early versions of the software.

HTC may release a Windows device later, in a second round of products to come next year, one of the people said.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-06/htc-said-to-be-shut-out-of-next-version-of-windows.html
 
Is there any way of loading this on a mac with bootcamp via a USB drive?

For some reason my $1100 mac mini didn't come with an optical drive...
 
StudioTan said:
Aren't a bunch of your personally settings stored in the cloud now? My desktop wallpaper and pinned websites, for example, showed up automatically on all my installs.
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I'm not sure. After the second install which fixed everything, everything was back to default. I believe there is an option for some upgrades to save personal settings, but I didn't get it. Only to save nothing.
 
Jayayess1190 said:
Sync it up: Hands on with the preview of Windows 8's cloud sync service
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That was so creepy at first. Put it on my laptop and desktop and the first sign I noticed of this happening was that for some reason, which I deduced fairly quickly, was that my browser history was suddenly on desktop right after install, and I was like.... wait a minute!

disabled most of that stuff, I've no interest in it, seems fairly popular now, firefox, chrome, they all seem to do this kind of thing.
 
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