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Windows 8 / RT |OT|
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Bony Manifesto
Member
Okay, so I was thinking about this, and thought 'hmm, if these two installers tread on each others toes like that, perhaps I can use it to my advantage'. So basically, I figured out how to trick it into authenticating the download for 8, but downloading the iso for 8.1.
1. Download both the 8 and the 8.1 installers from here: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows-8/upgrade-product-key-only
2. (Possibly optional, but it's what I did) Run the 8.1 one, let it go through it's initial setup, and close it once it asks for a key.
3. Run the 8 one, enter your legitimate Windows 8 key, and proceed until you reach the point where it starts downloading.
4. Immediately close the 8 installer and run the 8.1 one again. It should skip past the authentication stuff and go straight to the download process.
5. It should download the 8.1 iso, which you can install at your leisure. The only slight problem is that you can't use your 8 key to install it, so you'll have to use a default key to install (see below) and change it to your legitimate one once you get into Windows.
Default 8.1 keys courtesy of Xyphie's post:
I make no guarantees, but this worked for me and I've just successfully installed and activated a clean install of 8.1 with an 8 key.
Bit bored and was having some issues with 8.1 so I decided to test out a full fresh 8.1 clean install (well clean as in a fresh clean install of Windows 8 to fresh install of Windows 8.1), I had just replaced my storage drive so don't mind the loss of data from a clean install as it wasn't much.
A fresh install on Windows 8 starts with this before it brings up the Windows 8.1 upgrade in the store..
This is ridiculous, why would they make it such a massive pain just to do a clean install of 8.1? Fucking microsoft.
The Cowboy
Member
Posts after I do a clean Windows 8, then 65 Windows updates to Windows 8.1 upgrade!.
Dam you!.
Baleoce
Member
I'm trying to update from Windows 8.1 preview to Windows 8.1 (I know that I'll have to reinstall all of my desktop and metro apps, it's cool, I didn't read the fineprint).
But after I downloaded the update from the Windows Store, it just says "we couldn't update the system reserved partition".
Whatmore, it then forces me to redownload the whole update. I looked up the problem on some other forums and supposedly it has something to do with my BDE System partition.
I heard it needs at least 100MB, and the partition size is 300MB as you can see. I know there's less than that free, but how do I go about freeing that up? I was hesitant to just blindly format it incase that information is needed, and I'm just assuming that this is the problem.
But after I downloaded the update from the Windows Store, it just says "we couldn't update the system reserved partition".
Whatmore, it then forces me to redownload the whole update. I looked up the problem on some other forums and supposedly it has something to do with my BDE System partition.
I heard it needs at least 100MB, and the partition size is 300MB as you can see. I know there's less than that free, but how do I go about freeing that up? I was hesitant to just blindly format it incase that information is needed, and I'm just assuming that this is the problem.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
I haven't been able to update on my desktop... this is my second full (got rid of old download) attempt to do so and I keep getting the same error code: 0x80070714. Its really bumming me out right now.
EDIT: I have I Core i7 with 32 GB RAM and 80 GB free on my SSD (+ a secondary 2TB drive). I shutdown any applications that were running and made sure I had all required updates prior to installation. I also have restarted with no success either. I've never felt this way but maybe this is MS implying that Windows 8.1 is only made for tablets.
My tablet installed just fine (Atom-based) on its first try albeit really slowly. I'm giving it some time to calm down as it was really choppy on the start screen (used to be extremely smooth) and Task manager keeps showing CPU spikes hitting 90% utilization... something I never used to see on my tablet.
EDIT: I have I Core i7 with 32 GB RAM and 80 GB free on my SSD (+ a secondary 2TB drive). I shutdown any applications that were running and made sure I had all required updates prior to installation. I also have restarted with no success either. I've never felt this way but maybe this is MS implying that Windows 8.1 is only made for tablets.
My tablet installed just fine (Atom-based) on its first try albeit really slowly. I'm giving it some time to calm down as it was really choppy on the start screen (used to be extremely smooth) and Task manager keeps showing CPU spikes hitting 90% utilization... something I never used to see on my tablet.
Bony Manifesto
Member
Haha, I'm not even sure it'll work for anyone else. If I was being diligent, I'd try it again to be sure the steps are right, but I don't have the energy or the time as it's 2:30am here! Hopefully it'll help somebody out...
Jzero
Member
It takes for ever so don't worry.
btw is 3DMARK seriously free or is it a shitty watered down version/demo?
It seems to be working but I won't be able to confirm until the download finishes. Thanks for the tip.
Dead Prince
Banned
it stops at 80 something and then just finish right after.
Finally advanced. Now stuck at "setting up a few more things 3%". Blehhh
I can confirm this is working for me, doing a clean 8.1 install now, thanks man!
Sky Interloper
Member
I installed Win 8.1 over my installation of 8 in my Samsung laptop, and the process seemed to go smoothly, but now it has a problem maintaining the connection to my Wi-Fi signal and I have to stop and restart wireless every time it stops working. It never happened in 8. Has anyone gotten this problem?
Chance Hale
Member
Been using the Windows 8.1 preview since it came out. Can someone remind me of the process of "upgrading" to the final release version? Do I need to back up my hard drive before doing so? Or is it just an automatic upgrade?
Thanks!
Thanks!
Steelyuhas
Member
Anyway to get the update to manually pop up on the Store? Still isn't showing on this Surface RT.
Ran the wsreset.exe to reset the cache in the Store and it still didn't help.
Help!
Ran the wsreset.exe to reset the cache in the Store and it still didn't help.
Help!
Same sentiments here. Nothing about it makes it better than just using the browser. I feel the People app is even better than it.
The Cowboy
Member
Worked like a charm for me, was able to download the 8.1iso without issue and all seem well with using it.
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Edit.
Just to add more to this, this worked perfectly with my Windows 8 upgrade key (the cheap £25 Windows 7 upgrade).
I did what was posted to create the Windows 8.1.iso and then burned it to a DVD and booted off it, I entered the default 8.1 pro key and did a complete clean install (deleted partition etc) - it went a heck of a lot faster than the 8.1 store upgrade (It was around 5/10 minutes). As soon as I got into Windows, I simply did the Win+R Slui 3 thing and entered my Windows 8 upgrade key and it instantly activated.
Very nice - good to know I now have an easy Windows 8.1 restore system.
SirMossyBloke
Member
Phew. Downloaded and installed without issue. I can breath better now.
Hello did you relocated your User folder and Program Folder C drive to your secondary HDD?
If so then it won't work at all since Microsoft doesn't support it fully.
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...ndows-81/84310e8a-edd3-48d7-af31-0b09666b0c74
I have this setup and it won't let me install so I have to do format my C drive and do clean install using from Windows 8.1 ISO.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
First, thanks for responding.
This doesn't seem to be my problem though. The windows 8 installation I currently have was a fresh install and I never did anything funny with it. All my system files are still in the main partition and my secondary drive is a pure data drive where I just store VM images and Sql data files.
In all honesty, I wish I would get an error that specific. All I get is the error code 0x80070714 which I can only find stuff relating to mostly pervious versions of windows and seems to mean something different with each version.
I am so bummed out by this because this is the first real problem I've ever had with windows 8 and it comes at the had of this metro installation process that essentially leaves me feeling isolated and unable to do anything about my situation.
I wish I was a part of press and had a twitter account I could complain on so that MS would care because I literally have no one to turn to.
Steelyuhas
Member
Doing a refresh. No idea if that will help.
Edit: fuck this
More edits: don't know what else I can do, this Surface is stuck on the preview.
Edit: fuck this
More edits: don't know what else I can do, this Surface is stuck on the preview.
Chance Hale
Member
To clarify my request, here's what Microsoft says about the update process.
"You can download the update for free from the Windows Store. You'll be able to keep your personal files, but you'll need to reinstall your apps. Make sure you have any original installation media that might be required for apps that were not installed from the Windows Store."
By apps I assume it mean files so everything that isn't a Metro app? Just backup my hard drive to an external one, update, and then copy everything back over? Just a bit confused by their terminology "desktop apps"
"You can download the update for free from the Windows Store. You'll be able to keep your personal files, but you'll need to reinstall your apps. Make sure you have any original installation media that might be required for apps that were not installed from the Windows Store."
By apps I assume it mean files so everything that isn't a Metro app? Just backup my hard drive to an external one, update, and then copy everything back over? Just a bit confused by their terminology "desktop apps"
It did that for me in the preview as well. Mostly in Gaf I think.
Jzero
Member
Shouldn't this be like 95% of the populace? Guess I'll try that as well after I try a regular Windows update again...
It's just a matter of time before it catches up to Zune. 2, 3 years time.
I'm looking forward to it.
I'm not looking forward to them ditching it and starting from scratch again as soon as it happens.
Yep same here. Complete refresh of my Surface RT. Update wont even try anymore.
Home PC is on Windows 8 Enterprise which Microsoft hasn't released the update yet for it. You can completely reinstall from the iso though.....
I deal with this shit all day at work. I'm trying to turn on work mode while at home.killer rin
Member
Well, I just had fun upgrading the laptop from 8.1 Preview to 8.1 RTM. Had to edit the iso to do the upgrade trick, throw in the default cd key for 8.1. Then to change the CD key I had to had to go to Add Features and give it an 8 Pro CD Key.
An annoying amount of steps, but hey, it beats reinstalling everything.
An annoying amount of steps, but hey, it beats reinstalling everything.
Did you previously install 8.1 Preview from Store or from an ISO?
antiquegamer
Member
Yes, this happen to me. I reboot it couple times and it revert back to 8. Some people stuck at this screen and won't revert back.
I try to install 8.1 a few more times but it usually get stuck when reboot and eventually it would revert back to 8. I get this error 0xCM00101-0x4017 and so far there seems to be no solution from Microsoft.
All of this complaining about having trouble updating.....mine went super smooth on both machines. Hour each for both, guess i was lucky.
Is this a link from neogaf? gaf has problems with the new IE. It is something to do with that service gaf uses to get more money when people hit links. Been happening since the preview.
It actually worked for me!
So, people who have Steelseries or Logitech drivers, uninstall them or wait for an update before going to 8.1!
antiquegamer
Member
This work for me also. I uninstall both and it update and done in less than 30 mins. Thanks for the suggestion.
Yeah, I went to the Steelseries website to check for their drivers, and it says they're not compatible with 8.1, take that how you will.
It did work for me after I uninstalled them, but I also had some issues with Windows Update that seemed to be getting in the way as well, so I can't place exactly what was causing the most ire.
killer rin
Member
I upgraded my Laptop to the preview back in july using the Store Upgrade. For this, I had an Iso sitting around of the RTM from when I did my desktop. Just duplicated it, edited it and threw it on my laptop.
brotkasten
Member
Can we please move on to the new OT?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=699325
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=699325
Windows 8.1 reverted my start screen icon DPI to normal, and now charms>Change PC Settings>PC & Devices>Display only has smaller and default.
How can I fix this? Larger DPI made Windows 8.1 the superior choice for HTPC OSes.
Enjoying the other changes so far.
How can I fix this? Larger DPI made Windows 8.1 the superior choice for HTPC OSes.
Enjoying the other changes so far.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
Ok, so I spent a few hours on this today. It lets you launch the start screen, navigate around the menu and launch an app. It also lets you close apps, bring up the charms bar and start the on-screen keyboard. You can also control the mouse (although I should say this is still pretty rough around the edges), as well as perform left and right clicks.
It's obviously not as smooth to use as a normal mouse and keyboard, or touchscreen, but by combining all of the features listed above, it should allow you to control your PC and someapps with your 360 controller.
Controls:
Code:Start button = Launch start screen Left stick/D-pad = Navigation A button = Launch currently highlighted app Back button = Close current app B button = Backspace / navigate back in some apps Y button = Bring up charms bar Left trigger = Left click Right trigger = Right click Right stick = Move cursor Left bumper + Right stick = Move cursor at a faster rate. Right stick click = Bring up on-screen keyboard. Click again to close Right bumper (hold for 2 seconds) = Disable controller. Repeat to re-enable.
If anyone wants to try it, the download link is here: https://mega.co.nz/#!FRwgAQjZ!Fb5zPXxWMJbbqpbOjOEflBSmLEMdI9583h2HNMuILQQ
It will install itself as a regular program. By default, it auto starts at logon where it'll sit in the system tray.
Finally, you'll likely get a warning when trying to download/execute the file, but that's just because it's a completely new, unsigned file. It's obviously perfectly safe.
Love this!
Jzero
Member
YES! Please stop posting in this thread and go to the new one!