you said businesses could not use Windows 8. That is totally different than if they will adopt it (windows 8 is perfectly usable in a enterprise environment), enterprise won't adopt it because windows 7 works just fine (which they are just now moving to) and the costs vs. benefits isn't there for Windows 8 on laptops and Desktops. If enterprises want to use tablets though, Windows 8 tablets are the way to go.
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Windows 8's uptake falls behind Vista's pace
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Ok, we'll go ahead and wait and see how successful Microsoft is in selling Windows 8 to corporations and businesses. I guarantee you it's a flop and Microsoft is forced to make changes to accommodate.
I'm not sure how many times I can say this but 8 was never going to sell massively regardless of perceived quality to businesses.
We only went 8 due to low cost and some rigs were running Vista and some 7, it just brought them together.
you said businesses could not use Windows 8. That is totally different than if they will adopt it, which they won't because windows 7 works just fine and the costs vs. benefits isn't there for Windows 8 on laptops and Desktops. If enterprises want to use tablets though, Windows 8 tablets are the way to go.
Even if corporations wanted to go use tablets tomorrow, which they don't, they would do what they could to avoid Windows 8 as it stands today. All of that money they saved by using tablets is spent 5 times over re-training and dealing with issues.
so you are saying businesses would choose an ipad/android tablet (which requires training as well) over a windows 8 tablet which integrates better into their environment? wtf are you smoking?Even if corporations wanted to go use tablets tomorrow, which they don't, they would do what they could to avoid Windows 8 as it stands today. All of that money they saved by using tablets is spent 5 times over re-training and dealing with issues.
so you are saying businesses would choose an ipad/android tablet (which requires training as well) over a windows 8 tablet which integrates better into their environment? wtf are you smoking?
Where did I type anything like that? If a corporation has to choose between tablets with Windows 8 with lots of training and changes to a large number of things they do IT wise or a laptop running Windows 7 or any future OS that Microsoft decides it wants to sell to corporations, they'll stick with the latter.
Even if corporations wanted to go use tablets tomorrow, which they don't, they would do what they could to avoid Windows 8 as it stands today. All of that money they saved by using tablets is spent 5 times over re-training and dealing with issues.
Your business knowledge is limited it appears....
You also to be over estimating the gravity of the changes that have been made and under estimating the intelligence of people who will be figuring them out.
Dreams-Visions
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I do agree that or the foreseeable future, there is no real incentive for businesses to choose a Win8 tablet array over a Win7 laptop array if mobility is the goal. Maybe one day there will be compelling reasons, but not so much at the moment.Where did I type anything like that? If a corporation has to choose between tablets with Windows 8 with lots of training and changes to a large number of things they do IT wise or a laptop running Windows 7 or any future OS that Microsoft decides it wants to sell to corporations, they'll stick with the latter.
I do agree that or the foreseeable future, there is no real incentive for businesses to choose a Win8 tablet array over a Win7 laptop array if mobility is the goal. Maybe one day there will be compelling reasons, but not so much at the moment.
We're only at the beginning of that road. It's difficult to see where it will go currently, but to say it can't go a certain way at this early stage is plain crazy.
With all the new products, traditional laptops are looking less and less useful everyday.
Dreams-Visions
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Agree very much with the first two sentences.We're only at the beginning of that road. It's difficult to see where it will go currently, but to say it can't go a certain way at this early stage is plain crazy.
With all the new products, traditional laptops are looking less and less useful everyday.
Disagree very much with the last. But, that's my personal usage needs. You're average computer user can get by with an iPad, so we're becoming outliers.
well yeah. I said that before, for laptops and desktops enterprises will stick to Windows 7 for the foreseeable future. but if they want a tablet, which a lot of employees are asking for then the best way to go is windows 8.Where did I type anything like that? If a corporation has to choose between tablets with Windows 8 with lots of training and changes to a large number of things they do IT wise or a laptop running Windows 7 or any future OS that Microsoft decides it wants to sell to corporations, they'll stick with the latter.
That is true for the most of what I'm experiencing as well.I see tablets replacing most enterprise pcs in a few years. Most of the ones I've dealt with and worked for already deploy laptops to their employees, it's the next logical step in cost/function.
I can take my company as an example. We are by no means big, but we have a lot of different needs for each department.
For the production part we only need medium powered desktops. This will not change one bit. There will always be a need for it. Production means low cost hardware because of a dirty environment etc.
For the technical departments that do cad applications laptops are more ideal right now. But the cost isn't really justified for the high end hardware, at least how I feel. A really good desktop at more then half the prise can do a better job here. For the last 5 years laptops have taken over. For some that is working fine.
But replacing a laptop with a desktop, and then add a tablet in there, would cost a lot less actually. The power needs when working at home can be solved by letting them remote control their desktop via VPN from their tablet. Sure dependent on the internet connection. But for most this should not be a big problem. In any case few will work at the same time.
And for all the rest who now use laptops, tablet should be more than enough. The biggest hurdle is the limitation of a physical keyboard. But a portable one should to the trick on most cases.
Now I'm thinking more of the Win8 pro editions here. Sure Win RT could work for the really portable part of the business like sales etc.
Android/iOS isn't really ideal for the enterprise. Security is a big problem. As well as management. Sure there are solutions for it. But why use a lot of money on it when you can get a Win8 tablet and use the current solution?
I really don't understand how companies can adopt Android/iOS tablets into their environment like they do. The cost/security concerns are a bit too high imo. The market have been pushing hard for tablets so it is understandable. Win8 is the response that MS had to give right now. Surely not the best solution, but it is a lot better than the current.
BertramCooper
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I don't see tablets replacing enterprise PCs in the near future.
I see cloud-friendly Chromebook-style devices replacing enterprise PCs in the near future.
I see cloud-friendly Chromebook-style devices replacing enterprise PCs in the near future.
Souless_PJ
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Until you can push a corporate SOE image to a tablet they won't replace PCs in enterprise. Plus you'd need a dock with an Ethernet port as most larger places run wired.
Unless you're a small business or you have all your shit in the cloud and just need something to VPN with which is where the future is going but won't be super soon for most corporations.
Unless you're a small business or you have all your shit in the cloud and just need something to VPN with which is where the future is going but won't be super soon for most corporations.
Dreams-Visions
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Until you can push a corporate SOE image to a tablet they won't replace PCs in enterprise.
what aspect of Windows 8 would prevent this? I don't see anything preventing image-based mass deployment and traditional domain-based administration and management.
Souless_PJ
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what aspect of Windows 8 would prevent this? I don't see anything preventing image-based mass deployment and traditional domain-based administration and management.
Nothing I guess. I presume you can wipe a Surface Pro and put your own image on it. You'd still need a corporate Windows 8 image as I presume 7 wouldn't work well since its not touch based although it might pick the hardware up ok. Be painful over wifi still.
Dreams-Visions
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Nothing I guess. I presume you can wipe a Surface Pro and put your own image on it. You'd still need a corporate Windows 8 image as I presume 7 wouldn't work perfect on it although it might pick everything up ok. Be painful over wifi still.
I agree. and yea, it would be painful over wifi. Does Surface Pro not come with a traditional Ethernet jack? I haven't looked that up (and would understand if they dumped it to make it thinner as Apple and others have done).
Souless_PJ
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No it doesn't but I guess you could just plug in a USB to Ethernet adaptor now that I think about it.I agree. and yea, it would be painful over wifi. Does Surface Pro not come with a traditional Ethernet jack? I haven't looked that up (and would understand if they dumped it to make it thinner as Apple and others have done).
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No it doesn't but I guess you could just plug in a USB to Ethernet adaptor now that I think about it.
yea. that's a lot of adapters, depending on the company. but...they're probably dirt cheap.
There are tablets with ethernet. And in addition you can go for a docking station with an ethernet port. Problem solved for deployment.No it doesn't but I guess you could just plug in a USB to Ethernet adaptor now that I think about it.
WiFi speed isn't the largest issue. PXE boot is.
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