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[Windows Central]Why Xbox customers are right to be angry about Microsoft putting more 'exclusive' games on Nintendo or PlayStation
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semiconscious
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well, you could always just hold onto your series x/s, & continue to enjoy your ecosystem investment on it. i mean, i can't play the vast majority of my ps2 games on my ps5. same with gamecube/switch. have these also been catastrophes for me by my investing in the playstation/nintendo ecosystems?...
i'll grant you, it sucks. i'd love to be able to just pop my ps2/gamecube games into my ps5/switch. but 'catastrophe'? nah, it's just 'the way of the console', grasshopper...
HeWhoWalks
Member
Remind me of what was factually incorrect with that statement, lad.
And if you really think Microsoft doesn't see Sony as a competitor in this industry, there aren't enough laugh emojis to post.
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DJ12
Member
So true, gaming division destroyed by a company they could buy several times over with cash in hand.
But at least the fog has lifted now, if you cannot beat them, and it's clear MS cannot, join them.
graywolf323
Member
didn’t they reveal this was always BS during the ABK acquisition?
if Sony wasn’t their competition why did they produce that pie chart for the EU showing how utterly dominated Xbox was by PlayStation as justification?
Stamps1646
Member
Sales of Xbox Hardware/Games - Poor
Sales of GamePass subscription - Great
Who's upset?
Sales of GamePass subscription - Great
Who's upset?
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
I’m not angry. MS getting theirs.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
They are worse than morons, they are assholes and losers too. Crying that someone doesn't have to buy a 500 buck system to play the games you paid to play is lame. Besides they won't be on Gamepass on those platforms.
FrankWza
Member
They spent 70bil to get CoD and make it exclusive just like they did Bethesda.didn’t they reveal this was always BS during the ABK acquisition?
That was all about PlayStation.
Marvel14
Banned
If MS' Gamepass Service could be accessed with just an internet connected Smart TV and a controller paired to said TV, with minimal loss in fidelity, then the era of the standalone console may well be coming to an end.
In such a scenario making Gamepass games available on rival consoles could be simply a clever advertisement for console-free gaming paid for by the consumer.
Replace "roads" with "consoles"...
Or I might be missing something.
In such a scenario making Gamepass games available on rival consoles could be simply a clever advertisement for console-free gaming paid for by the consumer.
Replace "roads" with "consoles"...
Or I might be missing something.
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HeWhoWalks
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Yeah, stupid Sony! Stop releasing Demon's Souls, God of War, Gran Turismo, Horizon, Ratchet, and Returnal! They're just dumb Marvel games and remasters!
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EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.1
It took ea buying BioWare to get mass effect on PlayStation.
Hero of Spielberg
Gold Member
Seriously m, who gives a shit. It’s as sad as people getting upset that Sony are porting games to PC. How the fuck does it affect you’re enjoyment of the game if people are playing it on another platform? SMH
Hero of Spielberg
Gold Member
PC of course, but not other consoles I think
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Too early for that, they’re focused on games arriving this year.
Torrent of Pork
Banned
You answered your own question.
nial
Gold Member
All garbage compared to Redfall!
BouncyFrag
Member
Life is short to get big mad over more people getting to play a game on a different system.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
You gotta think though. XBOX sales are already dismal compared to PlayStation and even the ancient Switch. Bringing their exclusive games to other platforms are just going to make their hardware woes even worst. Day one PC games already did damage to XBOX hardware sales, so how will this help? Sure, you’ll probably get more software sales, but as a consumer who would buy an Xbox when there’s a chance some or eventually all of their exclusives will come to your console of choice? Also, imo there’s no point in coming out with another console/device/etc in a few years if multiplatform releases are in their future.
Kumomeme
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it is interesting to see Xbox fans reaction right now since before, they is really against exclusivity so this road that the company are plan to taking is something that they should want from very beginning. but if large number of them are not happy, then it mean now we know what they are truly feels all this time. honestly they should voice up their concern more from very beginning than just parroting what phil spencer said no matter it is wrong or right for sake of merely to win the internet 'moment' against their competitor.
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Unknown Soldier
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My guess is Xbox Series is the final Xbox. For now, MS will continue to have a platform and support it. But there will be no further console hardware releases. There won't be a new PS console until 2027/8 anyways, so MS has plenty of time to start winding Xbox down as a platform and transition to being a 3rd party publisher.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Killjoy-NL
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Fixed
demigod
Member
Wow, you got a post removed for that? Someone must’ve been really bitter.Looking back it was in 2020 I had a post removed about this very thing happening and got a message saying wahh wahh wahh and console warring
FF:Enhanced_Reality
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I'm sorry but shouldn't PlayStation and Nintendo owners be pissed off that Microsoft bought publishers with the intention to remove content from other platforms?
That's allegedly called innovation.
That's allegedly called innovation.
RedC
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What content did Microsoft remove from other platforms after acquiring studios/publishers?
There is no obligation for FUTURE content to be released on your platform of choice, regardless of the reasons.
To think otherwise is to be entitled.
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FF:Enhanced_Reality
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I suppose you could start with the cancellation of Redfall. Starfield being made an XBOX exclusive (please don't try and pretend like it wasn't coming to PlayStation.) The next Elder Scrolls has been started to be XBOX and PC and won't be coming to PlayStation. Ninja Theory had support from Sony when developing Hellblade and I'm sure we won't be seeing the sequel.
Anyone who doesn't believe that Microsoft intends to leverage the IP acquired with Bethesda and Activision is, as far as I'm concerned, an idiot. They've already made Sony agree to give up any expectation of ABK releases outside of Call of Duty for ten years.
They're just doing what any clever business would do. Wait until their market share gets comparible to the market leader and then you watch it disappear. Classic Microsoft and their monopolising bullshit.
Anyway. I'm just gonna sit over here being entitled whilst I play Final Fantasy VII Integrate again having just finished FFXVI in anticipation for Rebirth.
RedC
Member
Unreleased games have no obligation to be released on your preferred platform of choice, regardless of the reasons.
You cannot "remove content" from a platform that it was never released on.
To think otherwise is to be entitled.
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graywolf323
Member
so you’d have no complaints then if say Sony bought Take Two and canceled Grand Theft Auto VI for Xbox right? after all it won‘t have released yet
RedC
Member
In that specific case, I would like to highlight it would be different because it has already been announced and promoted as releasing on PS5 and XSX/S in 2025.
So I could at least understand why somebody could legitimately feel this specific content was removed from them if it became console exclusive due to an acquisition.
That being said, tough titty.
As somebody who only owns and primarily plays on Xbox, if I wanted to play GTA 6 in this case then I would have to get over it and consider getting a platform where GTA 6 is available to play on.
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demigod
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Ask mommy for a PS5 next time.
RedC
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I won't need to because I am content with the content on my preferred platform of choice and won't cry if businesses make business decisions that determine to not release content on said platform of choice.
Alcibiades
Member
Hasn't Microsoft been putting their games on Nintendo systems since GBA? They already have Minecraft everywhere.
I get the impression it'll be targeted releases like that and not a full scale commitment to put their entire 1st party library on other systems.
I get the impression it'll be targeted releases like that and not a full scale commitment to put their entire 1st party library on other systems.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Why would it be different? Sony wouldn't be "removing" GTA 6 from the Xbox platform, because the game isn't out yet on Xbox.
RedC
Member
I agree the result would be the same, however, I just wanted to clarify the distinction in that hypothetical case, from anything Microsoft has done when acquiring studios/publishers and honoring all contracts, maintaining all updates/upgrades to multiplatform releases.
It wasn't a 1:1 comparison essentially.
JTCx
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ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
I'll mostly repost what I said in another thread related to this. I doubt Jez Corden's reasons are very well thought out, but:
True exclusivity matters and is good. While the value proposition of a machine literally goes down as previous exclusives make it to others, it's not the back catalog or the list wars that's the real problem.
The real problem is how the development approach will change for future first party games.
1st party exclusives benefit from 2 things:
- 100% revenue takeaway
- The lack of necessity to be directly hugely profitable
Yes, it's more to do with Gamepass, but I definitely noticed an immediate decline in quality the second Microsoft committed to putting their shit on PC day one. It's not by chance that between gamepass and their grasping attempts to create a multiplatform ecosystem, that their titles are just becoming cheaper and less significant. Almost everything from that Xbox direct looked and sounded embarrassing from a publisher like Microsoft, with development houses of that pedigree in 2024.
Similarly, it's not by chance that Sony's desperate attempt at live service building came along with a drive towards PC and mobile.
Being cheap and available everywhere doesn't help anyone if the games are crap.
Hero of Spielberg
Gold Member
That sounds like a lot of subjective takes on game quality to be honest. People have been pouring shit on MS output for years before GP. I think their releases last year and this year look more promising than anything they’ve had for a while.
graywolf323
Member
except we know from the FTC trial that they didn’t honor the contract as written at the time of acquiring Zenimax for Indiana Jones, they paid Disney to cancel the PS5 version
the only contracts they honored were the timed exclusives with PlayStation because they likely didn’t’ have much of a choice there, anything they could get away with they canceled for PlayStation (either internally like with Starfield, Hi-Fi Rush, etc. or by renegotiating with third parties like Disney)
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
The subjectivity spiral seems a little redundant here. Clearly, the market doesn't think whatever Xbox is putting out is worth buying the console, buying the games, or even subscribing for access to them.
You're right, so let's look at that.
Even in the last segment of Don Mattrick's regime, you could see the cracks starting to form as Xbox tried positioning itself to be a multimedia, always online ecosystem. It's not that far removed from what Gamepass is. The Gamepass/Play Anywhere/multiplatform release model is just the logical conclusion, all the way from deprioritising the dedicated hardware to universal access; just with subscription economics slapped on top.
Not to be rude, but I'm not even going to debate the promise or quality of Redfall, Starfield, or even the latest Forza that they managed to bungle, because lol.
As for this year, I truly think their lineup looks less up to standard than it ever has since Crackdown 3.
Hellblade's gameplay looks as scripted and inelegantly designed as the first game's, and after 7 years of no new releases, Ninja Theory has only been able to crank out 8-10 hours. Nobody expected that after 3 years of hype from Xbox marketing. Indiana Jones just looks bad. Avowed looks like a kickstarter campaign project and sounds so tired. Every bs promise these RPGs come out with is regurgitated in that deep dive.
If not for quality, it's objective to say that production values appear to be lesser, or way less efficient.
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Topher
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Nah....this suggestion that a multiplatform publisher promoting a game as multiplatform suddenly makes the scenario "different' doesn't fly. Some things are generally a given, such as GTA 6 being multiplat. The only content that could be "removed" from anyone is that which they already have. Promoting release platforms doesn't give them anything.
If someone wants to adopt the "get over it" attitude then that is up to them, but that is generally something folks only say when it is convenient.
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RedC
Member
They renegotiated the contract with the IP holder in that specific case.
Also, the platforms were never announced in any of those cases, before internally canceling the Playstation versions.
I obviously agree with "The only content that could be "removed" from anyone is that which they already have".
I was only pointing out that I could at least UNDERSTAND why some people could FEEL like content was removed from them if a game was already announced to be released on their preferred platform of choice, even if I disagree,
Ultimately the end result is all that matters.
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