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VanMardigan said:
MS thinks they have been speedy
I'll be happy once I get NoDo.. but it looks like it still hasn't been pushed to samsung devices, at least not on this side of the pond.
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MS thinks they have been speedy
I'll be happy once I get NoDo.. but it looks like it still hasn't been pushed to samsung devices, at least not on this side of the pond.
the ONLY thing that MS promised as far as I can tell is that they would be able to PUSH the update over Zune (which they are) rather than the carrier putting out OTA at their leisure.
That is true.
The way I see it is the carriers or manufacturers are having trouble with the update either from their part in it or from MS designs, who knows which exactly, but they certainly are not being completely cock-blocked by the carriers. They still have a measure of control INCLUDING the fact that if a carrier blocks an update they can not block the next which will be cumulative.
So it appears to me that this is more about testing to be sure they get no more bricking rather than an outright deception or misleading as some like to paint it, giving them a right to feel taken advantage of and giving a "right" to complain.
That is true.
The way I see it is the carriers or manufacturers are having trouble with the update either from their part in it or from MS designs, who knows which exactly, but they certainly are not being completely cock-blocked by the carriers. They still have a measure of control INCLUDING the fact that if a carrier blocks an update they can not block the next which will be cumulative.
So it appears to me that this is more about testing to be sure they get no more bricking rather than an outright deception or misleading as some like to paint it, giving them a right to feel taken advantage of and giving a "right" to complain.
brotkasten
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You mean the PR spin? Yeah, won't disagree with you on that one. I guess it's just a bit hard to see now, after being kicked in the balls. They wanted to find the balance between iOS and Android, but right now it looks a bit like this:VanMardigan said:
iOS -----|---X- Android
Oh, this is about testing and getting it right. But NoDo was finished in December and should've been the January update. Now tell me, why on earth is AT&T still testing those two updates? How much testing does it need until you can release it? Why can AT&T push out iOS updates without a hassle? I mean, everyone plays by the same rules, according to Microsoft.Klocker said:
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
brotkasten said:
Unless I'm reading that wrong, it seems you are suggesting that MS is still somehow better than Android, which is baffling, considering MS has yet to deploy an update that actually DOES anything for the end user (not the February update) to 99% of their devices. Even under the worst case scenario I can think of, a Samsung Android phone on AT&T (like the Captivate), there were bug fix updates within two months of launch. We are now in the 5th month since the launch of WP7. I don't see how we can give them credit right now, unless you believe the update is already out. It's not, it won't be until sometime in April for SOME devices. The unbranded/unlocked phones that may have gotten the update are an insignificantly small amount, considering not even all phones that meet that criteria have gotten it. I'm not giving them credit for that bullshit.
brotkasten
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"all Windows Phone 7 devices will be eligible for updates."VanMardigan said:
That's why I'm still giving them credit. Every phone on this platform will get it and there are nine of them, from four different manufacturers.
And this.yayaba said:
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
brotkasten said:
I can't think of an Android phone that didn't get updates within its first year. In looking at this list: http://blogs.computerworld.com/16310/android_22_upgrade_list, the phones that AREN'T getting Froyo are old devices (released in 2009), and even MOST of those devices got 2.1 updates, which coming from 1.6 is the equivalent of a Mango update, and those that didn't get 2.1 got 1.5-1.6 updates and bug fixes. There may be some random low end phone that didn't receive a single update or bug fix, I don't know, but I can't find an example.
To compare that with WP7, we haven't gotten ANY updates, and we are only really promised one more (Mango) a year after launch. That seems comparable, except that Android phones actually got the updates and continue to get updates as we speak for newer phones, and we are still waiting. Also, some Android phones have gotten multiple significant updates 1.6-2.1 and then 2.1-2.2, which would be the equivalent of us getting mango and THEN the next big update after that, which again these chassis 1 phones we own have not been guaranteed. Right this moment, the Android situation is unquestionably better, but I do like your optimism.
antiquegamer
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It seems some of you are still living in hope that Microsoft will do right by this platform. You know I was in that boat also. I read that very same article by Ars Technica and thought no they can't be right Microsoft said every phone will be "eligible" for update. Now going back and reading that article and everything that have happen so far is exactly as the article predicted will happen. If you read both the article and Paul Thurrot comments, they both said they just never could get Microsoft to clarify the situation (the fact that they have reverse since the phone preview, back then they said the phone would get regular update and feature added like the iPhone).
Here is some of the quote and if you still think I am just piling on because I hate Microsoft then there is nothing I can do to convince you guys who still drinking MS Kool Aid or in honeymoon period with Windows Phone 7. Again, don't get me wrong I love the platform I think it's one of the best UI, I love Xbox Live, I even own the zune at one point. (the brown one at that, love that thing regret selling it).
All Microsoft did since the launch of Windows Phone is nothing but a smoke & mirror. Fact is they have contract with carrier and they value their partners relationship more than their customers. If it's not clear from all their dancing around the issue, crappy communication, even that recent video by Channel 9 just go to show how clue less they still are. We can't even get our Jan update to deploy but hey let talk about the future, we have Mango update coming "soonish".
I read that very same article before the phone came out and thinking Ars Tech guy is just paranoir anti-Microsoft and another Apple-head. Everything was out there that state clearly that the control of update is up to carrier not Microsoft but I was just too excitted for the new platform to see it especially after I play with it at PAX. All Microsoft did since launch was hiding hehind all the sematic PR talk about the update. They either silence or when ask give you cryptic answer that amount to nothing (like they are doing now).
If those of you that have the locked carrier phone and still think you will be getting mango and this is somekind of birthing pain then go read that Ars article and look at it with perspective of everthing that have happen so far.
This is the original article from 4 months ago right before the phone come out.
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/11/windows-phone-7-updates-can-carriers-block-them.ars
Oh and here is article from way back about the update process since some of you seems to think us grouchy anti-Microsoft folks pull shit out of our ass. It state clearly that they know that the phone is not feature complete but they are planning to update it (both over the air and via zune).
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010...native-code-multi-tasking-and-update-process/
There's a link to an article on there about browser update independent of the OS let see if that ever gonna happen.
Here is some of the quote and if you still think I am just piling on because I hate Microsoft then there is nothing I can do to convince you guys who still drinking MS Kool Aid or in honeymoon period with Windows Phone 7. Again, don't get me wrong I love the platform I think it's one of the best UI, I love Xbox Live, I even own the zune at one point. (the brown one at that, love that thing regret selling it).
All Microsoft did since the launch of Windows Phone is nothing but a smoke & mirror. Fact is they have contract with carrier and they value their partners relationship more than their customers. If it's not clear from all their dancing around the issue, crappy communication, even that recent video by Channel 9 just go to show how clue less they still are. We can't even get our Jan update to deploy but hey let talk about the future, we have Mango update coming "soonish".
I read that very same article before the phone came out and thinking Ars Tech guy is just paranoir anti-Microsoft and another Apple-head. Everything was out there that state clearly that the control of update is up to carrier not Microsoft but I was just too excitted for the new platform to see it especially after I play with it at PAX. All Microsoft did since launch was hiding hehind all the sematic PR talk about the update. They either silence or when ask give you cryptic answer that amount to nothing (like they are doing now).
If those of you that have the locked carrier phone and still think you will be getting mango and this is somekind of birthing pain then go read that Ars article and look at it with perspective of everthing that have happen so far.
This is the original article from 4 months ago right before the phone come out.
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/11/windows-phone-7-updates-can-carriers-block-them.ars
Oh and here is article from way back about the update process since some of you seems to think us grouchy anti-Microsoft folks pull shit out of our ass. It state clearly that they know that the phone is not feature complete but they are planning to update it (both over the air and via zune).
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010...native-code-multi-tasking-and-update-process/
There's a link to an article on there about browser update independent of the OS let see if that ever gonna happen.
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So will microsoft put the customer first. Or are they just gonna keep renewing their contract with the carriers.
antiquegamer
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shadowcomplex said:
From they way thing are panning out, what do you think. Now with At&t gobble up T-Mobile if your phone doesn't have "i" in the name you know you are getting it up the ass.
I recently call about getting the unlimited data plan back, I forgot to tell you guys the outcome of that. Essentially At&t told me if I want unlimited data back I will have to go back to using my iPhone. They only offer that option to iPhone user. Lol.
Well, I didn't think I would get to this point, but I am starting to feel regret buying my Focus. Of all the talk, promises and hype by MS, nothing has been delivered. And this is extremely disappointing. One horrible feeling I get is that...I've been fooled and tricked by MS, and now I am somewhat stuck with phone and OS for some foreseeable future.
I don't care if MS and its Windows Phone team have best intentions. They've failed to deliver, and I feel stupid for falling for it.
[Still doesn't understand why MS can't just upload the updates via Zune...]
I don't care if MS and its Windows Phone team have best intentions. They've failed to deliver, and I feel stupid for falling for it.
[Still doesn't understand why MS can't just upload the updates via Zune...]
this thread has got on far too long crying about updates. in the US, they're focusing on rolling out wp7 to verizon, after just being released on sprint; get these phones out there to as many carriers possible and build marketshare. in the grand scheme of things, this nodo update doesn't mean much when you're still trying to get all major carriers in the world to carry your phones. perhaps by the time all major carriers carry wp7 phones, MS will have their update issues smoothed out.
so relax and enjoy zune and xbox live on wp7. yes, the music player and gaming still suck on android in comparison.
so relax and enjoy zune and xbox live on wp7. yes, the music player and gaming still suck on android in comparison.
antiquegamer
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thirty said:
Again, you are missing the point it was never about the "update" of features it's about the update process. And speak of that verizon phones .. that is like 6 months too late. Not to get that phone out before iPhone hit verizon was silly and still not have concrete date month after is even more pitiful for Windows Phone 7 team. At this rate iPhone 5 will be announce and release before we see that Trophy phone (which is nothing short of boring and generic) on Verizons.
I still enjoy the zune with the exception of having to reboot when it crash or reboot when I switch out my mic headphone. Shit that should have been fix a month after the phone come out and now looks to be never if you are on certain premier carrier.
i'm not missing the point. i understand about the update process, and again i say, so what? i'd rather have MS fumble on the insignificant nodo update than the much more important mango update. microsoft's focus just isn't on updating the couple millions of phones they've already sold, their focus is selling more phones and to do that they gotta get into all carrier's retail shelves.antiquegamer said:
as to the iphone release on verizon? before wp7 even released we all knew it would only be on att and t-mobile. only a few months later now wp7 is on sprint and soon verizon. i'd say that's quite an accomplishment for microsoft.
i think you all have far too high expectations of microsoft for the short term. things like building carrier relationships, building developer relationships resulting in 10K+ apps in a matter of a few months is far more important than an insignificant update.
So, I sense that people don't understand how phones/os/carriers work.
User buys from Carrier
Carrier buys from MFG
MFG builds phone to Carriers specs.
Where does someone like MS/Google fit in? Truth be told, they really don't.
They've wedged themselves in the equation. Microsoft sells licenses to a MFG/Carrier team. They basically have to say "We got cool killer shit, please consider it".
Google's shit is free, so that same MFG/Carrier team loves it since they don't have to negotiate per phone to get an OS on a phone. (let's set aside Google Services for simplicities sake).
Regarding updates, that's built into the license arrangement between the Carrier/MFG team, or solely MFG (in cases of unlocked phones).
Since MS never sells licenses directly to end users, the end user gets smaller say in what happens (MS is still living in their WinMO "we're the only ones so we can give you shit" days).
When an update to the OS is made, it goes through testing by three entities. Once at MS, once at the carrier, and once by the MFG.
User buys from Carrier
Carrier buys from MFG
MFG builds phone to Carriers specs.
Where does someone like MS/Google fit in? Truth be told, they really don't.
They've wedged themselves in the equation. Microsoft sells licenses to a MFG/Carrier team. They basically have to say "We got cool killer shit, please consider it".
Google's shit is free, so that same MFG/Carrier team loves it since they don't have to negotiate per phone to get an OS on a phone. (let's set aside Google Services for simplicities sake).
Regarding updates, that's built into the license arrangement between the Carrier/MFG team, or solely MFG (in cases of unlocked phones).
Since MS never sells licenses directly to end users, the end user gets smaller say in what happens (MS is still living in their WinMO "we're the only ones so we can give you shit" days).
When an update to the OS is made, it goes through testing by three entities. Once at MS, once at the carrier, and once by the MFG.
antiquegamer
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thirty said:
May be they should focus more on building actual customer relationships.
And if you think you will get the mango update you still in denial. Carrier do and will block that update.
antiquegamer
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thirty said:
Lucky you not being "on premier carrier, now that explain your sunny outlook. Let hope that no do will actually happen (remember this was suppose to be early 2011 update) and not another smoke and mirror. Beside unbranded phone, I don't think anyone on any carrier have gotten no do.
Welp, one thing's for sure, the honeymoon phase is over. Though for the battle weary of us, fighting the good fight for cellular consumers everywhere, when/if any updates hit, I'd imagine this'll be the reaction:
(my personal M.O. going forward: I'm probably fine with the phone as is for the next two years. Every update will be Christmas)
(my personal M.O. going forward: I'm probably fine with the phone as is for the next two years. Every update will be Christmas)
And to lighten the mood up around here, anyone tried this?
Nuts.
http://www.morfoapp.com/
Also, iDaft. Hours of fun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvDWxmjS5xo
(video is from iPhone version, but it's up on Marketplace)
Nuts.
http://www.morfoapp.com/
Also, iDaft. Hours of fun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvDWxmjS5xo
(video is from iPhone version, but it's up on Marketplace)
exactly. why fight it? updates will come out when they come out. so it isn't an apple model and more like android, i'll live with it.Commodore said:Welp, one thing's for sure, the honeymoon phase is over. Though for the battle weary of us, fighting the good fight for cellular consumers everywhere, when/if any updates hit, I'd imagine this'll be the reaction:
(my personal M.O. going forward: I'm probably fine with the phone as is for the next two years. Every update will be Christmas)
if you don't like how things are going down on the wp7 side then use your consumer power and go to android or iphone. i own an android tablet so i for one know the grass isn't greener on the other side.
Robobandit
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thirty said:
Android's grass is only greener if you have a google device. You're in worse shape if you buy one from a carrier..
If Microsoft and Nokia put out unlocked phones that aren't tied to a carrier, I'll jump to one of those.
For now, I'm just hoping that my unbranded Focus gets NoDo soon.. doesn't seem like MS is pushing it to the US yet, though.
brotkasten
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I'm expecting the next update wave next week. Hopefully it includes unbranded phones in the US.Robobandit said:
jonnybryce
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VanMardigan said:
A huge difference in the update drama with OSes is that Android has a bunch of crappy low end phones like the Cliq XT or Droid Eris that manufacturers don't feel the need to support (or they give least priority to vs. the Droid Incredibles and EVOs) vs every WP7 phone being a beast with promised timely updates.
I think in theory Microsoft's model was cool but in practice it's a bit frustrating. I can't say if people are overreacting since I'm not on the field (rocking an iPhone 4) but I think I'd be upset about it, too.
Darth Tigris
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I know this is going to seem like a very strange post on this thread, all things considered, but here it goes.
I will soon be able to do something that I've been wanting to do for several years now: purchase a smartphone. This is due to me coming into a lil money AND WP7 coming out on the best network in my area (Verizon).
Now this being my very first smartphone, a lot of the stuff that many people are making a huge fuss about just won't be all that important to me. From what I've read of WP7 does now and what I've seen, it just seems like a wonder (is my relative innocence refreshing?).
But I have a few questions for the experienced ones here:
1) Though the Verizon HTC Trophy looks to have some enhancements that appeal to me over the current model (SLCD & quad band in particular), what are some USER experiences here with the device? For a first time smartphone owner, how is it?
2) Since I will be able to afford it, what are the pros/cons of buying a device off contract and unlocking/unbranding it?
3) Even though its not my first choice (due to possibly being stuck with AT&T), would getting an unlocked Omnia 7 be worth it here in the US?
I'm very excited about getting one of these devices. Technology is just amazing right now.
I will soon be able to do something that I've been wanting to do for several years now: purchase a smartphone. This is due to me coming into a lil money AND WP7 coming out on the best network in my area (Verizon).
Now this being my very first smartphone, a lot of the stuff that many people are making a huge fuss about just won't be all that important to me. From what I've read of WP7 does now and what I've seen, it just seems like a wonder (is my relative innocence refreshing?).
But I have a few questions for the experienced ones here:
1) Though the Verizon HTC Trophy looks to have some enhancements that appeal to me over the current model (SLCD & quad band in particular), what are some USER experiences here with the device? For a first time smartphone owner, how is it?
2) Since I will be able to afford it, what are the pros/cons of buying a device off contract and unlocking/unbranding it?
3) Even though its not my first choice (due to possibly being stuck with AT&T), would getting an unlocked Omnia 7 be worth it here in the US?
I'm very excited about getting one of these devices. Technology is just amazing right now.
antiquegamer
Member
My feeling is know what you know now about the update potential problem and you can live with the current iteration (you will at least have no do which fix some of the bugs, most notably Marketplace crashing and search and speedy app not to mention better Facebook intergration) I would say get it if you love the UI. It is to me the best UI on the market.
It's funny because as I was reading all the post on Gaf while I was having dinner, the waiter saw my phone and said wow I almost got that phone. I said Windows Phone? he said yeah, how do you like it? I told him it's good but still lack maturity of the other OS and after almost 6 month with no update I kinda lost faith in Microsoft able to bring the platform to compete with the competitor. He said yeah, that's why he got iPhone instead. A few months back I would have been so enthutiastic to show off my phone and how much better it is than the iPhone. If Microsoft doesn't think goodwill toward early adopters of their new unproven platform is worth investing in then they are in for some rough ride for the future growth.
It's funny because as I was reading all the post on Gaf while I was having dinner, the waiter saw my phone and said wow I almost got that phone. I said Windows Phone? he said yeah, how do you like it? I told him it's good but still lack maturity of the other OS and after almost 6 month with no update I kinda lost faith in Microsoft able to bring the platform to compete with the competitor. He said yeah, that's why he got iPhone instead. A few months back I would have been so enthutiastic to show off my phone and how much better it is than the iPhone. If Microsoft doesn't think goodwill toward early adopters of their new unproven platform is worth investing in then they are in for some rough ride for the future growth.
antiquegamer
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http://www.wpcentral.com/joe-belfiore-responds-update-criticism
The damage control PR begin ... well at least he sound sincere and realize how screw up it is to go on that vid saying how rosy everything is and let talk about next update.
The damage control PR begin ... well at least he sound sincere and realize how screw up it is to go on that vid saying how rosy everything is and let talk about next update.
The 'new' phones (Arrive, HD7S, Trophy) coming out now should be preloaded with the NoDo firmware so you'll skip the update hell everyone else is going through. Here's Engadget's review of the Trophy. The 'new' phones are really just new to the North American market, they were models show last year and released in the other countries. We haven't gotten to the second generation of WP7 handsets yet.**Darth Tigris said:
I believe the Omnia 7 is a world gsm phone, so it should work with AT&T's 3G network, but don't quote me on that. It has more storage (but no micros slot) than the Focus and has that physical windows button. But the Focus is noticeably lighter and everyone's complaints were about accidentally hitting the search and back buttons anyway. The Omnia 7 will probably get updates faster than the Focus though.
The advantage of getting an unlocked device is you can use the phone outside the USA. An unlocked device is not very useful in the USA where the networks are mostly incompatible and AT&T is about to buy T-Mobile anyway. An unbranded device? What are those?
I don't think they sell any unbranded WP7 devices in America. If you do get one, it theoretically means you'll get updates faster. Although many unbranded devices still haven't gotten the update yet. If you're sure that AT&T or Verizon or any particular network is the one for you then it does make sense to sign a contract. You could get the iPhone 4 for $200, flip it within a week for $400 profit and put that towards the WP7 device you'd like. Anytime you want a new phone, sell your current one and take out the SIM card. I'm happy with AT&T's coverage in my area, and the unlimited data plan they offered to iPhone users, so I was happy to sign a contracteven though I don't keep using an iPhone for very long. That said, if you like to switch networks (maybe for a particular phone), or you're not sure if you'll be happy paying for a smartphone data plan, then don't sign a contract.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
antiquegamer said:
This response strikes a much better tone than the garbage Eric and his team have been spewing. It acknowledges failures, says they are working on a more detailed spreadsheet, and promises he'll have more info about the updates at Mix. Plus he says that those on scheduling should check the spreadsheet next week. It also lacks an air of self-congratulation or talk about "exciting future" crap that infuriates those of us who don't like the present condition.
I'm am so looking forward to the next episode of Windows Phone Radio now. I really hope they do actually talk about failures (and admit them) this time around instead of just praising themselves for half an hour. I somehow think they won't do it, though.antiquegamer said:
I also think they've not released this week's episode because they were talking about how the updated is here and awesome everything is and stuff like that. After they've realized that almost no one has the update and that nothing is awesome, they just said there were problems with the episode...
brotkasten
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This will probably not happen. While Brian and Matt are really nice guys, they probably won't apologize like Joe did. Especially not Brian, since he's a marketing guy. But even if they do, it would be more like "yeah, sorry 'bout that. We're working on it. btw, everything is going to be awesome!". Hell, I still can't believe that Joe was allowed to apologize in public in the way he did. Like VanMardigan said, no self-congratulation, no app count, no mention of the exciting future", just an honest apology. Even though I doubt he's able to do the same on stage at MIX, it's still a small step in the right direction.snap0212 said:
Counterintuitively, I am again considering a WP7 Phone. I am quite concerned about this update craziness (as my earlier posts attest to). I'd rather not pay an equipment cost so the Focus or the Surround are both looking good right now.
Why the hell is MS dropping the ball on this product so much? It's sad when I see the phones at the storeit's so elegant and refined as an OS but I don't think the average person has any idea.
Why the hell is MS dropping the ball on this product so much? It's sad when I see the phones at the storeit's so elegant and refined as an OS but I don't think the average person has any idea.
I think Windows Phone 7 is one of the few things that seem totally nice and perfect until you start taking a closer look. People in stores see how amazing the UI is, how fast everything is and basically everything good the OS has to offer. Everyone who has used one for more than a month will find countless things that just don't seem to be finished.shantyman said:
One example: In stores, you'll most likely not think about how App management works on your PC. You just assume it works fine but that's not the case. In fact, it's probably the worst thing about WP7 in general. The more you use it, the more negative things you'll find about the phone.
Audiobooks? Nope.
Custom ringtones? Nope.
Updating Apps without WLAN? Nope.
Those are a few more examples of negative things about Windows Phone 7 that you'll most likely not see or think about when you take a look at the phones in a store or at a friend's phone. Do they ruin the phone experience? No, but they bother you if you come from any other smartphone...
Picked up Hexic today and am loving it, by the way. 1.99 is a great price! I also tried the Full House Poker Demo again, but it's pretty useless without online multiplayer.
Robobandit
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I can update most apps just fine over 3G.. it's just the large ones 20mb+ that need wifi.
I primarily use a mac as my main machine, so I don't get to update apps via the PC regardless, even if it was available in the Zune software.
What has annoyed me is marketplace search and marketplace crashing.
I've gotten used to the third party app loading speed.. and I don't use that many of them anyway.. I play the occasional game, I use flixster to look up movie times, the weather channel live tile is all i care about for weather and the phone has all of the facebook integration I need on the go, so I don't need that application either.
NoDo, when it comes, will solve almost all of my current complaints.
I don't care about the applications being shown as an alphabetical list, as you can open any application on the device by saying "Open AppName" using voice command input.
I barely use the phone as a phone.. so custom ringtones are at the bottom of my "things I care about" list.
I'm glad to see Mr. Belfore posting a response and an acknowledgement that many people are upset about how things have been handled. I definitely think that Eric and co at the windows phone blog have made things worse with their casual posting on a sensitive topic.
I primarily use a mac as my main machine, so I don't get to update apps via the PC regardless, even if it was available in the Zune software.
What has annoyed me is marketplace search and marketplace crashing.
I've gotten used to the third party app loading speed.. and I don't use that many of them anyway.. I play the occasional game, I use flixster to look up movie times, the weather channel live tile is all i care about for weather and the phone has all of the facebook integration I need on the go, so I don't need that application either.
NoDo, when it comes, will solve almost all of my current complaints.
I don't care about the applications being shown as an alphabetical list, as you can open any application on the device by saying "Open AppName" using voice command input.
I barely use the phone as a phone.. so custom ringtones are at the bottom of my "things I care about" list.
I'm glad to see Mr. Belfore posting a response and an acknowledgement that many people are upset about how things have been handled. I definitely think that Eric and co at the windows phone blog have made things worse with their casual posting on a sensitive topic.
snap0212 said:
Don't care
Don't care
Don't care
None of these things bother me, nor would I use them if they were available.
I also don't care about copy and paste. I've had my phone since launch and would have used it once.
I would like apps to load faster. That does bother me. When I remember my old iphone, how ugly the texting screen is or the email client or countless other things, I'm glad I got the W7 phone. It's not perfect, and I know your post wasn't negative at all, but I think it's the best phone OS out there by quite a margin.
There are definitely some areas of the phone need some work, and there are many areas where the iphone implementation is nicer (I am incredibly glad to be done with itunes though!), but android OS look incredibly ugly and clunky. It reminds me of MS interfaces from before Apple was pushing them.
Except that MS seems to be acknowledging that they can't force the carriers out of the 'testing' phase. So it's possible carriers can ultimately stall indefinitely, which is really no different from blocking from the consumers' perspective.Klocker said:
Or has there been confirmation that is not actually the case?
antiquegamer
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VanMardigan said:
I have a feeling Joe went off the reservation on that one. I think he just response from the "heart" so to speak since it wasn't an official blog or press release but his gut response to comment on that Channel 9 video.
I am sure if he had to go through the channel we would get the same typical Microsoft self-congratulatory, number stats of how 90% of users are happy, 2 gazillion sold to vendor along with exciting thing we have coming soon that will be awesome.
To me it just go to show how cumbersome and ineffective Microsoft culture is as a whole and thus the very reason why they are falling behind Google and Apple.
I used to think people are crazy when they talk about splitting up Microsoft and now I don't think it is such a bad idea. Xbox would innovate much faster, the last update to dashboard added many thing but also introduce many little quirk that they haven't fix (because we are again on Microsoft service pack update mentality). Another example would be Chrome browser, it was total crap (well exagerated but it was not that great) but Google quickly fix all the problem and it became my main browser (until now, I am currently trying out IE9) but that is the most glaring different between the two companies. And I understand because of their enterprise model that make them choose this path but they really need to think differently when they are in consumer market. Consumer are very fickle they should realize that by now.
sweetvar26
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Is this a good time to buy the Dell Venue Pro or wait for the new WP7 devices?
brotkasten
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Mary Jo Foley writes about the update fiasco and what Microsoft needs to do to improve the situation.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/how-microsoft-can-get-windows-phone-7-back-on-track/9027
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i heard dell was gonna release a new version of the pro in fall.sweetvar26 said:
edit.
here you go
i am not sure if its accurate. but it should give you a guess.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
I get so frustrated when I hear of updates landing on other phones. How is it that the Atrix can have an update and it launched 4 months after Windows Phone 7? How can those idiots at the wp7 team claim in a blog post and then on the podcast that everybody plays by the same rules? Do they think we are stupid and won't notice the other phones getting updated?
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