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NoDo Get!!!!!!!

I finally pulled off the NoDo update on my Samsung Focus, and I couldn't be happier. Haven't had time to mess around with it fully, but I think others have already talked about it's definitely snappier, the games open up faster, copy/paste works nicely, and market is more stable and easier to search. This should address many of the concerns I have on the platform.

Robobandit said:
What I ended up doing was waiting about 30-35 seconds and then turning data off and on again every 5-7 seconds until I got the update message.
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This is what worked for me, so thank you a ton for your help in this thread, and thanks to brotkasten for his help as well.

So.......now what? I know there were some folks pissed at me for my negative attitude in this thread, but it'll definitely subside for a while....until the NEXT time MS is late on an update and AT&T blocks it. :)

Brettison, I definitely suggest you look into giving it a shot. I wouldn't say it was easy for me, but there weren't any steps that made me feel like I could potentially brick my phone. It was pretty straightforward. ymmv.

To anyone with a Focus that is going to give this a shot, and especially if you have a storage card and have filled up the phone, I would suggest emptying out the synced data first. The February update wouldn't work for me until I took most of the stuff out (I was only using about 2gb when I got the update to work). So I would say that MS still hasn't perfected the update for the Focus in some respects, but that was the only issue I encountered aside from connecting to the Hungary server.
 
Glad you got it going.

I'm content with the platform now as my major complaints are fixed.

Looking forward to a smoother process for Mango.

In fact, I'd rather they pull an apple and not announce a date for the update until it's ready on all fronts and has cleared testing on all carriers.
 
Poindexter said:
Apparently you can get the update now if you turn off data and wifi connections on your phone, connect it to your pc, open zune. Make it look for an update and a few seconds before it tells you "no update found" or whatever, turn off your computer's internet. Apparently it'll find Nodo. Turn your internet back on and update. It's working for a ton of people on xda-developers.com. i'll try it once i get home.
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does this have to be unlocked phone?


Edit:

also what are the downsides of goinf the Chv7 unlock forced update route on focus?

WRT, future updates, conflicts with ATT (handset insurance etc) and what are the benefits?
 
verizon-roadmap-spring2011.jpg


The Xbox phone releases a day after the Playstation phone, huh. Damn you, Sony! Wonder which phone is getting more ads, hurr.
 
http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_.../2011/03/23/copy-and-paste-update-status.aspx

I know many of you are disappointed, even angry. You certainly have a right to be. We’ve fallen far short of your expectations, and our own, and for that I’m truly sorry. We didn’t set out to let you down. But it’s clear we did. Whether you’re someone who has followed our progress from the start, or are new to Windows Phone, you deserve the updates we’ve promised. My job is to get us on the right path and deliver them.
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Some good progress here.
 
They've certainly turned the corner on their communications, and I give credit to Joe B for setting the tone. Hopefully they keep it up, and now that I have the update, I can be a much better advocate for the platform, which I do love.
 
Dell Venue Pro getting NoDo starting today, separate firmware update coming later


Dell support has tweeted that the NoDo update currently being pushed out will just be containing the Microsoft OS updates, without any firmware update. They are promising an actual firmware fix at some future date.
While for Dell Venue Pro users this may seem like a bad thing, it does fulfil Microsoft’s promise of separating the OS from the firmware, and Microsoft’s pace of updates from Dell’s, which can only be a good thing.

In theory OS-only updates have less ability to brick a device, and should therefore require less or even no carrier testing, and free Microsoft from delays related to the carrier yoke, and that would be great news for all.
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more of this please RE: Samsung and ATT
 
Everyone's getting their panties in a twist and whining about a minor update with the copy and paste feature? Seriously? Its that important to have it? Given the amount of whining I'm hearing here, one would think none of the phones can make an outgoing call.
 
tnsply100 said:
Everyone's getting their panties in a twist and whining about a minor update with the copy and paste feature? Seriously? Its that important to have it? Given the amount of whining I'm hearing here, one would think none of the phones can make an outgoing call.
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I hate idiots who can't read the thread.
 
tnsply100 said:
Everyone's getting their panties in a twist and whining about a minor update with the copy and paste feature? Seriously? Its that important to have it? Given the amount of whining I'm hearing here, one would think none of the phones can make an outgoing call.
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i think the whining is not because of the content of the update, but because of the fact that microsoft need to step their game up and deliver on their promise.
 
Earl Cazone said:
i think the whining is not because of the content of the update, but because of the fact that microsoft need to step their game up and deliver on their promise.
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And? Everyone's going to act like this is the first time a software maker ran into problems and had to push their software delivery estimate back by a few weeks?

Or is there some other promise being referred to here?
 
tnsply100 said:
And? Everyone's going to act like this is the first time a software maker ran into problems and had to push their software delivery estimate back by a few weeks?

Or is there some other promise being referred to here?
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Weeks? NoDo was originally expected in January IIRC.
 
tnsply100 said:
Everyone's getting their panties in a twist and whining about a minor update with the copy and paste feature? Seriously? Its that important to have it? Given the amount of whining I'm hearing here, one would think none of the phones can make an outgoing call.
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Go fuck off already would you, at least read all the fucking post before you post idiotic stuff like this.

If it was not a big deal would you think Microsoft would change their tune and now apologizing about the update fiasco. And if you bother to read before you post you would realize that it's not about the update but the update process that they promise.
 
Robobandit said:
Glad you got it going.

I'm content with the platform now as my major complaints are fixed.

Looking forward to a smoother process for Mango.

In fact, I'd rather they pull an apple and not announce a date for the update until it's ready on all fronts and has cleared testing on all carriers.
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So if I unbranded my phone, it would forever stay unbranded from now on correct? or would No Do overwrite it?

I unbranded it and got pre-No Do right away. I couldn't figure out how to edit reg so the device would not relock but it's not a big deal I guess since I deploy Samsung editor.

Now let see if I can trick it to find No Do, since Roger get Focus update already if I change string value to Roger phone would that let me find No Do without having to use Hungary Sever trick?
 
tnsply100 said:
Yeah.. and its March now - ZOMG the sky is falling down!!
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Again idiot who can't seem to comprehend, it's not about how long or when it's about the fact that Microsoft had allow carrier to dictate the updating of the phone. The constant lying about the update process and not coming clean and even now they still skirting around the issue.
 
This is more than copy-pasta too. Marketplace is always freezing with my Focus so I need this update like yesterday.
 
antiquegamer,

While I understand where you're coming from ... you may want to go to the corner and count to 10 or something.
 
I didn't even have to do the trick to get the No Do or change registry. I just reconnenct my Feb update phone to my Zune and now it's update to No Do. Awesome.
 
antiquegamer said:
Go fuck off already would you, at least read all the fucking post before you post idiotic stuff like this.
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Point me to whatever post clearly details the grevious harm done by Microsoft. All I see is random whining about a fucking copy paste update and worries about what carriers can and cannot do.

If it was not a big deal would you think Microsoft would change their tune and now apologizing about the update fiasco.
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Because they're pussies who don't have to balls to tell customers to shut the fuck up?

And if you bother to read before you post you would realize that it's not about the update but the update process that they promise.
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Where exactly was it "promised" by Microsoft that no carrier could ever delay updates from MS? Honest question.
 
Raistlin said:
You're really missing the point ... the big picture here.

Have you actually followed the circumstances for this?
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Yes - I'm no expert on it. But its pretty clear that somehow people got expectations that carriers would be forced to immediately send updates to all phones whenever Microsoft was ready with the upstream binaries.
 
tnsply100 said:
Point me to whatever post clearly details the grevious harm done by Microsoft. All I see is random whining about a fucking copy paste update and worries about what carriers can and cannot do.
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That's why he said to read all the posts. Yes, you are right - there isn't a bullet list. It's been an on-going situation that has more twists and turns than a busted dick.

All the more reason to not make assumptions though.

Because they're pussies who don't have to balls to tell customers to shut the fuck up?
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If only it were that simple.

Where exactly was it "promised" by Microsoft that no carrier could ever delay updates from MS? Honest question.
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Again, you'd need to read up on this. It's not just one thing MS said. It's a series of seemingly ever-changing 'promises' and statements.
 
antiquegamer said:
Again idiot who can't seem to comprehend, it's not about how long or when it's about the fact that Microsoft had allow carrier to dictate the updating of the phone. The constant lying about the update process and not coming clean and even now they still skirting around the issue.
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I'll ask again - show me where Microsoft claimed that carriers would be forced to immediately send upstream Microsoft bits to all phones.
 
I wonder when Windows Phones based on this chipset will be released.

The mobile scene is too silly. A 2-5x improvement in performance over the last chipset that was double the performance of the chipset before it. Someone call me when we slow to 30-40% increases and I'll jump on the smartphone bandwagon.
 
Raistlin said:
Again, you'd need to read up on this. It's not just one thing MS said. It's a series of seemingly ever-changing 'promises' and statements.
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Good. then surely it isn't too much trouble to show me one single statement where Microsoft said their carriers are going to be forced to send all upstream updates to the phones immediately? I'll be happy to carefully read any article that you provide.
 
Robobandit said:
In fact, I'd rather they pull an apple and not announce a date for the update until it's ready on all fronts and has cleared testing on all carriers.
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This. They really should have done this in the first place; would have easily solved most of the fallout they experienced. Probably exciting for them to make sure all those fledgling users out there knew when to expect an update, but the reality of how that update would happen, and how long it would take, likely caught them off guard.

The phased update makes it hard for them to say, hey everyone, update today. But they can at least hold out on even communicating when until they know it'll be at least a week for 90% of the users out there. I hope this humbled them, and taught them some solid lessons for future updates.

It's really interesting though, how much even a simple update does for consumers morale/brand loyalty, especially given the fast paced mobile smart phone market. I think they really should rethink the big updates versus smaller incremental updates over time. Once the update was acquired by many very vocal and frustrated users, those pitchforks were exchanged for olive branches pretty quickly.

I'm just glad we can move the WP7 conversation forward into other topics like how I figured out today in the music hub, you can pin playlists to the start screen versus what I previously thought were only excluded to albums and artists.
 
tnsply100 said:
Good. then surely it isn't too much trouble to show me one single statement where Microsoft said their carriers are going to be forced to send all upstream updates to the phones immediately? I'll be happy to carefully read any article that you provide.
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Honestly, I don't really have the time to sift through everything. The problem is the story has changed so many times, so publicly, that it's a bit difficult to just do a simple google search.

There are plenty of links throughout the thread.
 
Why are we feeding the fucking junior troll? This shit was already discussed just a few pages ago. Fuck him if he doesn't want to actually read up before jumping in like an asshole and calling us out.
 
Last day of March and I'm now running the March update on my Mozart. (take that Telstra..)

Anyhow, I can see an improvement in app load times which is nice, and makes Brain Training playable.

However, I have been unable to try this improved Marketplace search. Since it never loads and gives me a message saying the service is unavailable.
 
tnsply100 said:
Good. then surely it isn't too much trouble to show me one single statement where Microsoft said their carriers are going to be forced to send all upstream updates to the phones immediately? I'll be happy to carefully read any article that you provide.
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Look, that's not the real problem. The real problem is shipping a somewhat broken, or lets say beta product and not fixing it for five months.

edit : maybe a mod should change the title. Windows Phone 7 OT of bitchin, whinin and no donuts for AT&T.
 
Raistlin said:
antiquegamer,

While I understand where you're coming from ... you may want to go to the corner and count to 10 or something.
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Yeah, sorry, came out of my corner with unbranded phone and No Do now I feel much better. All is forgiven including the trolling dude. I still hate At&t however.
 
tnsply100 said:
Yes - I'm no expert on it. But its pretty clear that somehow people got expectations that carriers would be forced to immediately send updates to all phones whenever Microsoft was ready with the upstream binaries.
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Lol, no the carrier do not send the updates, Microsoft send the update. The only people they are being pussy to is not me the customers but the like of At&t. They simply let the carrier dictate the term when the phone can be update so they can sell more phone essentially.

I post article from Ars Tech couple pages back, and since you said you have been following this thread you should be able to find it and read up on it.
 
Raistlin said:
Honestly, I don't really have the time to sift through everything. The problem is the story has changed so many times, so publicly, that it's a bit difficult to just do a simple google search.

There are plenty of links throughout the thread.
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I'm sorry but I've read several pages (over half) of this thread - and have no inclination to read all 5000+ posts again.

Look this is very simple -

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/11/windows-phone-7-updates-can-carriers-block-them.ars

In November of last year, everybody was clearly told "carriers can block updates". Everyone who got their panties wet after misinterpreting the statement -

Microsoft will push Windows Phone 7 software updates to end users and all Windows Phone 7 devices will be eligible for updates.
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has had plenty of time temper their enthusiasm.

And yet, four fucking months later, people are continuing to whine.
 
Lol, no the carrier do not send the updates, Microsoft send the update. The only people they are being pussy to is not me the customers but the like of At&t. They simply let the carrier dictate the term when the phone can be update so they can sell more phone essentially.
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Yes technically you are right - but for the purposes of this argument it makes no difference. You can change my demand to "show me where Microsoft said that carriers will be forced to immediately allow propagation of the upstream binaries".

antiquegamer said:
I post article from Ars Tech couple pages back, and since you said you have been following this thread you should be able to find it and read up on it.
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See post above - I read that article four months ago when it was written.
 
Commodore said:
This. They really should have done this in the first place; would have easily solved most of the fallout they experienced. Probably exciting for them to make sure all those fledgling users out there knew when to expect an update, but the reality of how that update would happen, and how long it would take, likely caught them off guard.

The phased update makes it hard for them to say, hey everyone, update today. But they can at least hold out on even communicating when until they know it'll be at least a week for 90% of the users out there. I hope this humbled them, and taught them some solid lessons for future updates.

It's really interesting though, how much even a simple update does for consumers morale/brand loyalty, especially given the fast paced mobile smart phone market. I think they really should rethink the big updates versus smaller incremental updates over time. Once the update was acquired by many very vocal and frustrated users, those pitchforks were exchanged for olive branches pretty quickly.

I'm just glad we can move the WP7 conversation forward into other topics like how I figured out today in the music hub, you can pin playlists to the start screen versus what I previously thought were only excluded to albums and artists.
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Well, I think they really couldn't not pull an Apple for several reason, first of all they are not Apple. Their track record isn't that great when it come to consumer devices from Xbox to Zune to now Win Mo and Win Phone. Second, they are way behind the curve, they ship incomplete OS (functional but full of little bug and qurik) so they have to assure early adopters that update will be coming fast and quick. (Just that their definition of quick is not the mobile world definition of quick, I am sure for Microsoft they are moving at super-speed). And lastly if they have to show that they are agreessive in this space and showing things to come show that they are working hard to bring platform not only up to the industry standard but exceed it.
 
tnsply100 said:
See post above - I read that article four months ago when it was written.
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If you can read, it is obvious that Microsoft was never forth coming about the update process. They up until now was hiding behind semantic and double talk. If they simply came out and said, yeah the carrier has us by the ball buy our product please and hope for the best then may be that's a different story.

Anyway, I am done with you since you are just here to troll.
 
tnsply100 said:
I'm sorry but I've read several pages (over half) of this thread - and have no inclination to read all 5000+ posts again.

Look this is very simple -

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/11/windows-phone-7-updates-can-carriers-block-them.ars

In November of last year, everybody was clearly told "carriers can block updates". Everyone who got their panties wet after misinterpreting the statement -



has had plenty of time temper their enthusiasm.

And yet, four fucking months later, people are continuing to whine.
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It's not remotely that simple. Sorry.
 
Since I got NO Do without doing having to trick the Zune (I did unbranded my phone though), does that mean Microsoft is pushing out No Do to all unbranded phone in the US including the Focus?

The installation went smoothly (cheer Microsoft) and I have only 2.9 gb left on my phone. I didn't delete anything or un-sync any of my content. Perhaps they also finally fix the Focus issue ?

Update was quick and pain-free and I am glad. Dare I said, the process was much faster than updating my iPhone.
 
My next phone is going to be a Windows Phone 7 (been using this shitty Samsung Eternity since October '09 and am eligible for an upgrade this June) and am thinking of the HTC Surround. Will there be any new WP7s aside from the Trophy?

brotkasten said:
verizon-roadmap-spring2011.jpg


The Xbox phone releases a day after the Playstation phone, huh. Damn you, Sony! Wonder which phone is getting more ads, hurr.
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Xbox Phone? Is that the Trophy?
 
venne said:
I wonder when Windows Phones based on this chipset will be released.

The mobile scene is too silly. A 2-5x improvement in performance over the last chipset that was double the performance of the chipset before it. Someone call me when we slow to 30-40% increases and I'll jump on the smartphone bandwagon.
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That stuff shouldn't hold you back. If the software is tuned to the hardware, like iPhone and windows phone 7, you can feel confident in new hardware. Those dual core Android phones lag like crazy, regardless of their JavaScript scores or whatever benchmark, wp7 is way smoother. That's a silly reason to avoid jumping in.
 
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