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giga said:
See above. ;) This could all be solved if they would just start the app from its saved state from any location, and not just through the back button.
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I saw your last post after I posted mine, and I agree that sometimes the app switcher will be filled with relatively useless options. That being said, I still think the back button only approach to control multitasking is the better approach for the platform. I just hope they can eventually add more than 5 options and/or possibly filter some system level things from being considered "apps" (like the phone app).
 
VanMardigan said:
Unless there's a "go back to the app home page" button, I don't see how it would take longer to get to a spot in the app than it is to get to the app home screen by tapping an in-app back button.

Still, I've argued in this thread that it SHOULD save state rather than having to use the fast app switching (which I don't see mainstream users getting used to). I know what MS is doing, you get predictable behavior every time you hit the app button, but I don't like it.
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Who said anything about in-app back buttons? I'm saying that if I'm looking at an app in Marketplace and I wanted to go all the way back to Marketplace's home page, then all I would need to do is hit the hardware back button a few times.

This takes much less time and thought than if I was at the home page of Marketplace and wanted to get back to that app I was looking at. (1. Hit search, 2. Type query, 4. Click enter, 5. Click app from results)
 
PG2G said:
That is correct. The problem is the contextual search only only worked in native applications so the behavior of the search button was inconsistent. With the new way, at least you know what's going to happen when you press the search button.
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Right, yeah, I wasn't complaining or anything, I just wanted to make sure that I was correct in describing both behaviours so when I compare them in my impressions I don't look like an idiot.

VanMardigan said:
Unless there's a "go back to the app home page" button, I don't see how it would take longer to get to a spot in the app than it is to get to the app home screen by tapping an in-app back button.
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An ideal set of behaviours:
Tap back: go back one screen in app or if just switched back to last app
Hold back: go back to current app's home screen
Tap home: go home
Double tap home: multi-tasking.

Has the bonus of making multi-tasking triggered by a physical button versus how the back button can either be physical or not on WP7 phones as far as I can tell. (Edit: apparently both can be physical or not)

Every function that is currently supported remains supported, you get the useful "back to home screen of current app" function, multi-tasking functionality will be more familiar to people used to iOS, and you've lost nothing. :)
 
Anybody know of any good tools to create some ringtones from wma files? Most tools use mp3 but a lot of the files I have (moved over from my zune) are in wma.

Edit:
Managed to get everything I needed to create ringtones...decided I would share some links for the interested.

Use Switch to convert from wma to MP3 (free)
then use audacity (free) for editing the MP3.
 
Stumpokapow said:
An ideal set of behaviours:
Tap back: go back one screen in app or if just switched back to last app
Hold back: go back to current app's home screen
Tap home: go home
Double tap home: multi-tasking.

Has the bonus of making multi-tasking triggered by a physical button versus how the back button can either be physical or not on WP7 phones as far as I can tell.
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Most phones do not have a physical home button either as far as I know.
 
Who here on Mango has visual voicemail and who does not? T-Mobile branded 7.5 RTM for the Omnia, and I don't have it
 
giga said:
This takes much less time and thought than if I was at the home page of Marketplace and wanted to get back to that app I was looking at. (1. Hit search, 2. Type query, 4. Click enter, 5. Click app from results)
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I don't want to go in circles, mostly because we actually agree on this. Here's my take on this from ONE MONTH AGO:

vanmardigan said:
I have a concern about fast app switching. I updated Wonder Reader just to confirm, but right now, this is the scenario in a nutshell: You load up an app (takes some time the first time), you have to visit another app for some reason, so you hit home (or follow a toast) and load up another app. The problem in NoDo is that, when you want to go back to your first app, you have to load the app again. Mango's solution for this is to press/hold the back button. You get a list of five or so apps, then you can select your previous app and you won't have to load it again. So far, so good, right?

Here's the problem I see: If you don't use that (hidden and non-obvious) method of holding the back button, the way you'd go back to your original app is to hit home, then tap the icon for the app you were working with previously. Unfortunately, doing that will cause the app to load from scratch again, even if there's a "version" of that app fired up and ready to go in the app switcher view!

In Android and iOS, you have the equivalent back button app switching method (double click home in iOS, hold the home button in Android). But you ALSO have the ability to go home/app launcher, then open the app again, and it will load up instantly (provided it was one of your recently used apps).

This is WAY BETTER than the mango solution, because it is how MOST people switch between apps, and is way more natural. I suppose we can train ourselves to always hold the back button instinctively, but most of us are going to unlock our phones and hit the Facebook app icon and wait for it to load. Most users won't unlock and immediately hold the back button, remembering that they used the FB app recently and can get back into it much more quickly that way.

Many people have compared the app switcher view in Windows Phone Mango to WebOS, and while they are similar, here's the key difference: in WebOS, that app switcher view IS the home screen, while in Windows Phone Mango, it's a hidden functionality that, if you don't utilize, will have you waiting for your apps to load even though there's an instance already dehydrated and waiting to be resumed.
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edit: link
 
Stumpokapow said:
They... don't? *googles* Look at that. Heh, all the models I've seen in Canada do. Well then scratch that advantage.
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Well I'm in Canada and I thought only the LG phone has a physical button. The Focus, HD7 and Surround all have touch buttons.

BTW, now that I have the Samsung firmware along with Mango I finally got the update where the capacitive buttons are disabled when touching the screen elsewhere. I never got that update with NoDo so it is nice to get it this time.
 
I logged into Twitter in the account settings, and see other people's tweets just fine, but my tweets don't seem to ever make it out of my phone to the site. I thought maybe the first one didn't go out because of the Battery Saver being on last night, but I'm fully-juiced now and they still don't post.

Anyone else see this or know a fix?
 
The executive, who was invited to speak at the launch, revealed to ZDNet Asia on the sidelines of the event that phones powered by Microsoft's mobile OS accounted for 30 percent of HTC's overall unit sales since its launch. He also expects the figure to rise in the future.

Additionally, he said that affinity for Windows Phone is growing and becoming "very strong", not just among consumers but within HTC as well. According to him, the "excitement" the Taiwanese mobile manufacturer has toward version 7.5 and future iterations of the OS is comparable to when the company first collaborated with Redmond on Windows Mobile.
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http://www.zdnetasia.com/htc-windows-phone-to-outpace-competitors-62302266.htm

That's a bit hard to believe.
 
sethcheek said:
I logged into Twitter in the account settings, and see other people's tweets just fine, but my tweets don't seem to ever make it out of my phone to the site. I thought maybe the first one didn't go out because of the Battery Saver being on last night, but I'm fully-juiced now and they still don't post.

Anyone else see this or know a fix?
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Even on Wifi? Sometimes my Fbook wouldn't update until I forced it to over Wifi, and sometimes it would be clogged up and post old updates back to back. try it.
 
brotkasten said:
http://www.zdnetasia.com/htc-windows-phone-to-outpace-competitors-62302266.htm

That's a bit hard to believe.
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They only do Android and WP7, and I suspect the initial shipments of each hardware model are pretty large so even if sell-through was anemic and reorders were low, the initial sales would probably account for a pretty meaty chunk. So, uh, even if you're skeptical of how WP7 has performed, I could easily see this being true in HTC's case.
 
sethcheek said:
I logged into Twitter in the account settings, and see other people's tweets just fine, but my tweets don't seem to ever make it out of my phone to the site. I thought maybe the first one didn't go out because of the Battery Saver being on last night, but I'm fully-juiced now and they still don't post.

Anyone else see this or know a fix?
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Remove the Twitter account sign back in again. Also make sure you have Windows Live here

https://twitter.com/settings/applications

brotkasten said:
http://www.zdnetasia.com/htc-windows...s-62302266.htm

That's a bit hard to believe.
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Probably was talking about Singapore
 
The Abominable Snowman said:
Even on Wifi? Sometimes my Fbook wouldn't update until I forced it to over Wifi, and sometimes it would be clogged up and post old updates back to back. try it.
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Tried it.. no dice.

Meus Renaissance said:
Remove the Twitter account sign back in again. Also make sure you have Windows Live here
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That seemed to do the trick. What a lame/sadly predictable fix I didn't think to try. (The removing and reinstalling the account. It had already been connected to my Live account correctly)

Anyway.. thanks, Meus!
 
Hey Gaf, have been having this problem with the Zune client for the last two days. Basically when I try to load up Zune it errors and shows a dialog as such -

Microsoft Zune has stopped working
-> Check online for a solution and close the program
-> Close program

Problem Details:

Description:
Stopped working

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: CLR20r3
Problem Signature 01: zune.exe
Problem Signature 02: 4.8.2345.0
Problem Signature 03: 4e3c42d1
Problem Signature 04: System.Configuration
Problem Signature 05: 2.0.0.0
Problem Signature 06: 4ca2ba8c
Problem Signature 07: 277
Problem Signature 08: 14
Problem Signature 09: IOIBMURHYNRXKW0ZXKYRVFN0BOYYUFOW
OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.768.3
Locale ID: 3081

The PC is Win7 32 and windows is fully up to date. Everything was working fine a few weeks back. Have trawled the interweb but no solutions found so far. Was hoping to update my Omnia but looks like I'm shit out of luck.
 
AnkitT said:
Is it just me, or is battery life a bit better in mango?(not considering the battery saver setting)
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For me is the opposite: a fully charged HD7 gave me a critical battery indication just a few hours after turned on. Usually the charges last more than a day with me, what is up?

Which is your device?
 
I was able to force the Mango update on my wifes phone pretty easily last night.

As for my phone getting updated, Microsoft seriously has the most frustrating error messages. It has been a terrible experience and I hope a lot of other people don't get the same errors because you have to be a technical wizard to work through them.
 
Wow, using multiple tabs in IE closes other apps in the multitasking menu. Such a silly design decision.

EDIT: Created one tab in IE, and it closed two of my already open apps. Real smooth, Microsoft.
 
Chiaroscuro said:
For me is the opposite: a fully charged HD7 gave me a critical battery indication just a few hours after turned on. Usually the charges last more than a day with me, what is up?

Which is your device?
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Dell Venue Pro. I might just be imagining things though.
 
God DAMMIT. Every time I try to force the update, starting with 7392 I get error code 80180048.

I looked up the error and they thought it's related to "Walshed" phones, which mine was. I tried the Walsh fix for this, no luck. Tried a hard reset by the dial method, no luck.

Now I'm stuck on 7390 with a wiped phone. Any ideas? Samsung Focus 1.3.
 
antiquegamer said:
May be those app were already update to mango? I am under the assumption that during the past week all the app that got update was so that when mango hit they would still stay compatible.
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Update on the update thing.

I checked the versions of the applications on my device, they are still nodo versions. I can check the marketplace and it shows me newer versions in the description, but I do not have an option to download them, just share it.

Of course if I delete/download the application again I will end getting the mango version, but I do not want to loose progress/settings of the programs.

Will wait a little more for the notifications...
 
Mr. Snrub said:
God DAMMIT. Every time I try to force the update, starting with 7392 I get error code 80180048.

I looked up the error and they thought it's related to "Walshed" phones, which mine was. I tried the Walsh fix for this, no luck. Tried a hard reset by the dial method, no luck.

Now I'm stuck on 7390 with a wiped phone. Any ideas? Samsung Focus 1.3.
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I think someone a few pages back had the same problem and got it fixed.

Wow, using multiple tabs in IE closes other apps in the multitasking menu. Such a silly design decision.

EDIT: Created one tab in IE, and it closed two of my already open apps. Real smooth, Microsoft.
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I think we now know why they hid the tabs function behind a menu.
 
MCD said:
Silly me, I needed to select all keyboards supported on my Focus and not what I am currently using. Thank you, Mr. Walsh.

7392 here, on to the next update baby.
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Which keyboards did you select? I'm in the exact same situation.

I only have English (United States) selected in my Focus settings--is that the only one I need to select?
 
Chiaroscuro said:
Update on the update thing.

I checked the versions of the applications on my device, they are still nodo versions. I can check the marketplace and it shows me newer versions in the description, but I do not have an option to download them, just share it.

Of course if I delete/download the application again I will end getting the mango version, but I do not want to loose progress/settings of the programs.

Will wait a little more for the notifications...
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Did you try going to the app in marketplace, hitting back, then going back in? That always forces the update button to show up for me (instead of just share).
 
The Shift said:
The PC is Win7 32 and windows is fully up to date. Everything was working fine a few weeks back. Have trawled the interweb but no solutions found so far. Was hoping to update my Omnia but looks like I'm shit out of luck.
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I didn't think there was a 32bit version of Windows 7!
 
I don't think I saw this anywhere in this thread or maybe I missed it, but is anyone else having an issue with the Marketplace tile not showing updates and then when opening Marketplace still not showing application updates? I was able to find an update by going to particular apps I know were updated and waiting for the Update button to appear. Any suggestions other than a hard reset?
 
PG2G said:
Did you try going to the app in marketplace, hitting back, then going back in? That always forces the update button to show up for me (instead of just share).
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Yeah I found that if I go to the specific app page, back and then select the app again the update was there and worked.

Edit: Also I have unpinned my facebook and twitter apps. Using the People Hub is the way to go.
 
NotTarts said:
Wow, using multiple tabs in IE closes other apps in the multitasking menu. Such a silly design decision.

EDIT: Created one tab in IE, and it closed two of my already open apps. Real smooth, Microsoft.
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What the shit…
 
Man, I love how fast this thread is moving today. Excitement around WP7, how strange.

Mango Apps I like:

Wonder Reader (seriously the best looking google reader app, lots of Mango functionality)
Flixster (it's nice to pin my favorite theatre to my home)
White Light (if you don't have an HTC phone this app turns on your LED)
Windows Phone Insider (get your ringtones right here...)
 
Didn't get a reply last page so I'll try one more time.

Is the Mango update supposed to have the HTC apps (sound enhancer, attentive phone, etc.) already baked into settings? I can't find them anywhere on the marketplace and they're not in my settings. And yes, I have an HTC phone (the HD7).
 
The tab thing was actually supposed to be a feature. They made it that way so taht you can fast switch in multitasking mode. They wanted the sites to feel like their own app.
 
Can anyone tell me how much the Xbox Live component of the Windows phone has evolved over the past year, if it all?

I haven't followed this stuff in any way. I only know how it basically functioned when the phone launched about a year ago.
 
dudeguy24 said:
Didn't get a reply last page so I'll try one more time.

Is the Mango update supposed to have the HTC apps (sound enhancer, attentive phone, etc.) already baked into settings? I can't find them anywhere on the marketplace and they're not in my settings. And yes, I have an HTC phone (the HD7).
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Update for myself...

I found the sound enhancer app from the HTC Hub, but not the marketplace. Now it's saying that the reason I can't download it could be that my firmware's not up to date, the app is exclusive to a different provider, or it's not available in my region. Wtf? I used to be able to download this freely whenever I wanted. Anybody shed some light on this?
 
Yesterday the Bing translate was working fine with the OCR for a while, but after a bit its stopped working. Every time I try now, it says it can't translate because it can't connect or there might be a service error. Anyone know how to fix?
 
PG2G said:
Did you try going to the app in marketplace, hitting back, then going back in? That always forces the update button to show up for me (instead of just share).
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Thanks, it worked. Annoying that the automatic notifications aren't working, let's hope it is a temporary thing.
 
Mr. Snrub said:
Which keyboards did you select? I'm in the exact same situation.

I only have English (United States) selected in my Focus settings--is that the only one I need to select?
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You need to select every keyboard that is an option on your phone. If you press the keyboard selected (English (United States)) you should see a list of available keyboards. You need to select all of those possible keyboards in the De-Walsh software. That's when it finally worked for me.

I'd like to tell you what those keyboards are, but Mango apparently adds a lot more options.
 
Meus Renaissance said:
Who here on Mango has visual voicemail and who does not? T-Mobile branded 7.5 RTM for the Omnia, and I don't have it
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I believe AT&T stated 30 days?




NotTarts said:
Wow, using multiple tabs in IE closes other apps in the multitasking menu. Such a silly design decision.

EDIT: Created one tab in IE, and it closed two of my already open apps. Real smooth, Microsoft.
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Well it certainly shouldn't be closing 2 for 1.

That said ... by design ... IE sandboxes a separate process for each tab. While that's annoying for multitasking, it makes sense otherwise. It's so if a crash occurs it won't bring down the entire browser, just a single tab.

I do wish you could configure it like chrome though (either 1 process for everything, a process for each tab, or a process for each site). http://www.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/process-models#TOC-Process-per-tab
 
MCD said:
Two things:

1-Right to left language support (Arabic, Persian, Hebrew...etc.).

2-Microsoft Points.
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People Hub opened to apps (Kik/Whatsapp)

Full Skype integration

Custom tones for EVERYTHING

Speech to text for EVERYTHING
 
Jadedx said:
Who is your carrier? They have to support it.
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They don't have to support it, it's a carrier decision. Tethering depends on the hardware and carrier.

Visual Voicemail is available to Windows Phone 7.5 users where supported by their mobile operator. There are no new hardware requirements for this feature, so all existing devices in market along with new hardware will be capable of supporting visual voicemail when enabled by the carrier.

Internet Sharing is available to Windows Phone 7.5 users where supported by their mobile operator and handset hardware. A Broadcom chip, associated drivers, Mango software and carrier support will all be required to support this feature.
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