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Brettison said:
What's the point? Nobody said you couldn't, but Lmn8r was just saying if people with unlocked phones are updating it's because the update is already approved and out since apple tries to keep the betas limited.
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My point is that I don't think that every GSM carrier out there needs to approve every iOS app update, which is what he is implying. I don't even think there is any evidence that any carrier has this power. Especially since some areas operate without carrier subsidies and customers just buy unlocked phones on the market. Carriers can disable features by not supporting it, or requiring people to pay extra fees, but that is different from the implication that carriers are blocking or delaying firmware updates.

The betas are limited to anybody that pays $99 for a developer account and their friends. It's to provide a test base for developers making iOS apps. Because there are possible bugs they want you to refrain from using it as a normal user.
 
brotkasten said:
I can't see how IM or IRC will work if the apps can't run in the background.

I don't know when they'll announce the second generation, but the next phones will have the chassis 2 spec with the HVGA screen.
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On iPhone beejive IM and meebo use push notifications so they don't need to run in the background, seems like it'd be the same on windows phone

Where did you see info on the next spec requirements?
 
numble said:
My point is that I don't think that every GSM carrier out there needs to approve every iOS app update, which is what he is implying. I don't even think there is any evidence that any carrier has this power. Especially since some areas operate without carrier subsidies and customers just buy unlocked phones on the market. Carriers can disable features by not supporting it, or requiring people to pay extra fees, but that is different from the implication that carriers are blocking or delaying firmware updates.

The betas are limited to anybody that pays $99 for a developer account and their friends. It's to provide a test base for developers making iOS apps. Because there are possible bugs they want you to refrain from using it as a normal user.
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It's not like it's a physical lock-out, it's just business courtesy. Theoretically Microsoft *could* go and release any update that they wanted to, but that would piss off the carriers if they couldn't adequately test things first. That's also why Microsoft is saying a carrier could theoretically not release one update, but they can only do that with a single update - on the 2nd update, the carrier would have no choice.
 
brotkasten said:
Since the Venue Pro isn't coming out (it's out, but not really) I started to look for other phones and I think I'll get the Optimus 7.
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Are you looking for an unlocked phone or locked?

The wide release of the VP is Monday, and i'm sure unlock codes will be soon to follow if it doesn't immediately work on your network. That or contact Dell for unlocking.
 
The Abominable Snowman said:
Are you looking for an unlocked phone or locked?

The wide release of the VP is Monday, and i'm sure unlock codes will be soon to follow if it doesn't immediately work on your network. That or contact Dell for unlocking.
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Unlocked and only unlocked. I refuse to pay 500 or 600 bucks for a locked phone, that someone got for much less, because he got it with a new contract.
 
brotkasten said:
Since the Venue Pro isn't coming out (it's out, but not really) I started to look for other phones and I think I'll get the Optimus 7.
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Weren't' you gonna wait? And yeah, Dell Venue Pro on Monday on Dell.com I think.
 
brotkasten said:
I know, but it's sooo temping to buy one right now. Waiting sucks. :lol
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Yo wait... you'll love yourself and the cash for waiting....

BTW
Engadget Article!

HTC Surround and LG Quantum available for $0.01 at Amazon this weekend
By Vlad Savov posted Nov 12th 2010 6:12AM
 
Brettison said:
Yo wait... you'll love yourself and the cash for waiting....
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Easy for you to say. You already have a Focus. :lol I hope it's understandable that I really want one, like, nao. I made the OT and everything, yet I don't have a phone. It feels so wrong! :lol

btw, Brettison. Could you please check the OT and look if something is wrong or missing? Would be great.
 
brotkasten said:
Unlocked and only unlocked. I refuse to pay 500 or 600 bucks for a locked phone, that someone got for much less, because he got it with a new contract.
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Is the VP the only unlocked WP7 phone you can get in the USA?
 
Windows Phone 7 jailbreaking is under way, first milestone reached


Long Zheng reports that efforts to jailbreak Windows phone 7 and run unmanaged native code is under way.

It started when user “hounsell” on xda-developers.com noticed that accessing a DLL called “Microsoft.Phone.InteropServices” which gave OEM’s access to native code, would also do so for any other application.

Australian developer Chris Walshie was subsequently able to create such an application using his developer certificate, which allows him to side-load applications. This application would then have full access to the phone, including the registry and file system.

While this is great progress, the hack still needs developer access to side-load the application in the first instance ($99 per year), as Microsoft would not allow such a subversive app in Marketplace, and research is continuing on ways to circumvent this requirement.


wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-7-jailbreaking-is-under-way-first-milestone-reached/

so Windows phone is hack friendly! im so happy!
 
The Abominable Snowman said:
Windows Phone 7 jailbreaking is under way, first milestone reached
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What's the point in Hacking/Jail breaking though?

Microsoft have clearly said that if any unsigned or illegal code found on your phone, your Live ID and Gamertag would be Banned.

Or am I missing the point here?
 
MasterLeePhD said:
What's the point in Hacking/Jail breaking though?

Microsoft have clearly said that if any unsigned or illegal code found on your phone, your Live ID and Gamertag would be Banned.

Or am I missing the point here?
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:| Does revoking the Live ID mean you can't get apps from the marketplace? How would they even find out; does the phone check back in to Microsoft's servers and report you?
 
Charred Greyface said:
:| Does revoking the Live ID mean you can't get apps from the marketplace? How would they even find out; does the phone check back in to Microsoft's servers and report you?
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This link talks about using Pirated Xbox Live Games on WP7 and get banned http://bit.ly/cx6lPd

So I gather it would be the same for any doggy code getting run.
 
MasterLeePhD said:
This link talks about using Pirated Xbox Live Games on WP7 and get banned http://bit.ly/cx6lPd

So I gather it would be the same for any doggy code getting run.
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Well, I'd very much prefer having an AdBlocker (hopefully) to using XBox Live (which I've never signed up for). I don't plan on pirating games or cheating at leaderboards so as long as Microsoft doesn't cripple the system, I'll be happy with that truce.

By the way, any annoucements that Opera and Firefox are working on browsers for WP7?
 
Charred Greyface said:
Well, I'd very much prefer having an AdBlocker (hopefully) to using XBox Live (which I've never signed up for). I don't plan on pirating games or cheating at leaderboards so as long as Microsoft doesn't cripple the system, I'll be happy with that truce.

By the way, any annoucements that Opera and Firefox are working on browsers for WP7?
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They announced not to develop browsers for WP7 due to the lack of an NDK.
 
dallow_bg said:
I've got two apps with updates but the updates don't work. Nothing downloads and reminds me again about the updates available.
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I had an issue earlier downloading something too, and thought it could have just been a small bump in the service on the marketplace.
 
Trouble brewing:

Listening to Zune player on my Focus this morning. I notice the songs aren't progressing to the next one after they end--I have to manually press the next button. Then, songs start getting choppy at the end, but they do automatically progress to the next one. Then, it just stopped playing music. Tried a different song, different album. Tried watching a youtube video--same thing. Never played.

So, I think, reboot the phone. Powered it off...and "Goodbye!" is stuck on my screen. The three touch buttons vibrate, so it's not "off" yet, but my screen is stuck.

What. The. Fuck.

I am NOT using a MicroSD card. Phone is completely stock, just some Zune music on it. Now it won't shut down. Anyone know how to take the back cover off? I'm at work and don't have my manual.
 
I'm pretty sure it just snaps off, but don't quote me on that.

Sorry dude that sucks. Hope a battery reset will fix it, and your phone's not fucked. :/
 
Well, I held down the power and camera button for 10 seconds (don't know if the camera button did anything but I was trying everything) and it shut off. Turned back on and everything is fine now...that gave me a scare. Even my 3GS would lock up pretty bad every week or so, but that was only after multitasking was implemented, about 6-8 months after I got it.

I'll give updates if it happens again...hopefully it won't. :-\ Still strange that even the "Goodbye!" screen locked up.
 
Charred Greyface said:
Well, I'd very much prefer having an AdBlocker (hopefully) to using XBox Live (which I've never signed up for). I don't plan on pirating games or cheating at leaderboards so as long as Microsoft doesn't cripple the system, I'll be happy with that truce.
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Exactly! I wasn't a huge fan of Gamerscore "Dickwaving" and XBL seems pretty limited on the phones as far as online play.

The possibilities in jailbreaking far exceed the negatives. The Touch Pro 2 could run FF7 at a decent framerate, so I'm sure WP7 phones could run GB/GBC (What I want to emulate). I doubt MS will move too much to ban jailbreakers from downloading the game apps themselves. Besides that, I really want to poke around the registry and see what options are hidden from us.
 
Okay now I'm fixated on the next update thing...

The "We are shipping a compelling update very, very soon." has got me wondering. Are they talking about the Copy and Paste one cause that's soon, but not very very soon. Also what would make this "compelling" for MS and honestly what would I personally consider compelling?
 
http://wp7gamers.blogspot.com/2010/11/no-words-with-friends-on-wp7yet.html
No Words With Friends on wp7...yet :(

I hate to be the bearer of bad new but I just got word from New Toy inc, developers of wildly popular Words With Friends is not in development at this time. They did say they are exploring other OS's but did not specifically say Windows Phone 7. That is a shame.

Here's hoping EA (big supporter of the wp7) port over Scrabble or something. In the mean time there is always AlphaJax the very polished looking clone which I'll be reviewing soon. (My phone's expected to be delivered Tuesday!)
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Brettison said:
I'm pretty sure it just snaps off, but don't quote me on that.

Sorry dude that sucks. Hope a battery reset will fix it, and your phone's not fucked. :/
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Yes, it just snap off. Ply it open with your fingernail or something then just pop it off. I haven't have the phone lock up after or even prior to adding the 16gb sd card. I did notice however that if the phone is charging on some USB port (not the one that came with the phone), it seems to pause a lot while navigating.

If it keep locking up you might want to try full reset...
 
I picked up a Focus on launch and am really loving it. Pretty much nothing that I really miss from my iPhone either, so the transition has been really smooth. Quick question for everybody though, is it possible to save locations in Maps? I'd like to be able to save a point for home, work, and some friend's houses but so far all I seem to be able to do is pin a location to start and that is not able to be renamed. Am I missing something, or is this something to add to the feature-request list
 
I got to play with a couple of these yesterday at the Tested offices (Focus and Surround) and I have to say I now love WP7. Shits all over Android as a user experience. The UI is slick, responsive, colorful, fast and instinctive. I love how the Zune-style navigation is consistent across the entire experience. There's a lot of stuff it does that I actually prefer to iPhone.

The Surround phone seems like a dumb gimmick but the Focus is great with a brilliant vivid and impressively high-res screen. The screen size is perfect, big enough to be impressively bigger than the iPhone's while not absurdly large like the EVO or Droid X.

Overall I loved it. If I was in the market for a new phone today I'd be giving this a serious look. Unless you are a hardcore modder/tweaker WP7 leaves Android in the dust.
 
Wow, praise from a hardcore Apple fan like Gary Whitta.
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Has anybody tried using bookmarklets? One major problem I have with my Palm Pixi is that the Instapaper bookmarklet doesn't work—and the homebrew work-around conflicts with another patch I have installed. If someone could try Safari+, Instapaper bookmarklet or Quix and describe how easy it is to install without copy&paste, and if it works, I'll be very grateful.
 
Gary Whitta said:
I got to play with a couple of these yesterday at the Tested offices (Focus and Surround) and I have to say I now love WP7. Shits all over Android as a user experience. The UI is slick, responsive, colorful, fast and instinctive. I love how the Zune-style navigation is consistent across the entire experience. There's a lot of stuff it does that I actually prefer to iPhone.

The Surround phone seems like a dumb gimmick but the Focus is great with a brilliant vivid and impressively high-res screen. The screen size is perfect, big enough to be impressively bigger than the iPhone's while not absurdly large like the EVO or Droid X.

Overall I loved it. If I was in the market for a new phone today I'd be giving this a serious look. Unless you are a hardcore modder/tweaker WP7 leaves Android in the dust.
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Whitta? Is that you?
 
Brettison said:
I'm shocked honestly. IF and that's a big IF the Whitta can be brought to like this phone what does that say about MS chances with the masses!!
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I think, more than anything else, it points to how successful the UI really is. The "wall of apps" still works but it surely will change, and MS seems to have a leg up on everyone...but no one has noticed yet :lol
 
Mr. Snrub said:
I think, more than anything else, it points to how successful the UI really is. The "wall of apps" still works but it surely will change, and MS seems to have a leg up on everyone...but no one has noticed yet :lol
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Yesterday Norm and I were comparing the iPhone 4 and WP7 side by side, pulling up each phone's version of the same app. WP7 holds up REALLY well. The IMDb app, for example, gives you the same information on both but while the iPhone version is very clean and functional the WP7 version is just so much more attractive and vivid and colorful. I really like the large the large text and the typography they use, and the wallpaper backgrounds are great. Sometimes you get some bad text/wallpaper combos that are a little hard to read and occasionally the overall effect feels a little "busy" and sloppy (at its worst it kinda reminded me of a MySpace page) but most of the time it made the iPhone presentation seem kinda dull and when put side-by-side like that I was actually kinda envious of the WP7 UI.
 
I gave my old iPhone to my daughter and yesterday I was helping her setting it up and I found my self constantly tapping on where the "back" button suppose to be on my Focus. I think it's the best thing on Windows Phone 7 UI despite what the critic said (or how much the love Apple's one button design). It's really nice to switch back and forth from one task to another.

Even for me a long time iPhone users I was surprise how fast I transition to WP7 UI. There are still a lot more thing MS could do to improve the interface and it is very bothersome that they don't have a lot of these features out of the gate. They are compete with two other mature UI on the market they need to have product that are equal to if not better for people to think about switching. The hardware shortage and lack of enthusiastic at at&t stores for the product also a let down. I am not sure what MS did with the 400million advertising campaign ...

I am hoping the next update is substantial and address many of the small little problems like removing recent calls, customize your contact list etc.
 
Yeah my biggest criticism was how it lumps ALL your contacts in together - including all your Facebook friends, 95% of which you're not going to need contact information for on any regular basis, it just pads out the list unnecessarily with a lot of junk. No customizable shortlist for favorite contacts? Really dumb omission.
 
Gary Whitta said:
Yeah my biggest criticism was how it lumps ALL your contacts in together - including all your Facebook friends, 95% of which you're not going to need contact information for on any regular basis, it just pads out the list unnecessarily with a lot of junk. No customizable shortlist for favorite contacts? Really dumb omission.
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You can configure it to only pull facebook info from people that are actually in your contacts list.. It's in settings for the people hub. :D

I agree that a short list option for people you contact most would be helpful.. I think that is what "Recent People" is supposed to be for.. but it would be nice to be able to customize that list.
 
Robobandit said:
You can configure it to only pull facebook info from people that are actually in your contacts list.. It's in settings for the people hub. :D
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That's good to know. There still needs to be a favorites list though, I use that all the time on my iPhone.
 
I'm really finding the HD7's battery life to be horrendous. Although I am always on my phone and have been all over OMG and the Harvest these past few days. I'd like to say the batt life will get better but honestly I see myself gaming more n more on this.
 
Firestorm said:
I've never actually used the Favourites function on my iPhone or Live Messenger.
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I actually used my favorites on my 3GS a lot and kind of miss it. It would be nice to have a "Favorites" section of the People hub, that you could add to and pin to the Start screen.
 
Gary Whitta said:
There still needs to be a favorites list though, I use that all the time on my iPhone.
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isn't that what the homescreen is used for, pinning your most used apps/contacts etc?
 
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