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Iced_Eagle
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dLMN8R said:
That's true, I should have mentioned that.
However, it would be great if they quickly moved to IE9 codebase. It definitely looks like it's going to be a huge win performance wise over IE8 (especially with the new javascript engine), so I'm certain that would translate over well to mobile devices and make the browser even faster.
On that note, I am actually impressed with the rendering speed of the browser. Doing fast scrolling down pages, it keeps up to what I'm doing pretty well.
maximum360
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Iced_Eagle said:The plot on this "big" update thickens! First update will be in January for copy/paste + CDMA. The "big" update will be released in February and will be detailed at Mobile World Congress.
http://www.wpcentral.com/developer-says-wp7-update-coming-february-updated
Can't wait for more details, and confirmation of the timelines of these updates.
Sprint needs to have something ready quick. I've been holding out with my Touch Pro 2 but it's feeling very dated now. I'm ready to pass that baby on to my wife.
brotkasten
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Sprint will get the Touch Pro 2 successor in early 2011. Just check the OP.maximum360 said:Sprint needs to have something ready quick. I've been holding out with my Touch Pro 2 but it's feeling very dated now. I'm ready to pass that baby on to my wife.
samus i am
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I feel the same way as he does. I wish someone would give us a more concrete date.brotkasten said:
brotkasten
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Maybe January is not completely unrealistic. The first WP7 update should bring copy/paste and CDMA support and that's coming out 'very soon' (in few weeks) and Verizon is supposed to get the HTC 7 Trophy in January.samus i am said:
You know what's the biggest loss with Microsoft not making a WP7 phone themselves?
It's not the hardware design, but the lack of a phone that can also act as a really good media device. The current crop of smartphone makers (aside from Apple of course which is still decent to good) just don't cut it in that department. WP7 has a great media player software, great music streaming service, but no device that can push that to the fullest. Unlike Android which has shitty media capabilities, I'd actually want a WP7 phone as my main media player, but the sound quality would probably suck for most of the smartphones, and finding out the one that is actually good, even if there is one, will be difficult because there's hardly any smartphone reviewers who are actually also audiophiles.
I'm not trying to sound pretentious, but Zune HD is really a great media player and WP7 is nowhere that yet due to hardware.
It's not the hardware design, but the lack of a phone that can also act as a really good media device. The current crop of smartphone makers (aside from Apple of course which is still decent to good) just don't cut it in that department. WP7 has a great media player software, great music streaming service, but no device that can push that to the fullest. Unlike Android which has shitty media capabilities, I'd actually want a WP7 phone as my main media player, but the sound quality would probably suck for most of the smartphones, and finding out the one that is actually good, even if there is one, will be difficult because there's hardly any smartphone reviewers who are actually also audiophiles.
I'm not trying to sound pretentious, but Zune HD is really a great media player and WP7 is nowhere that yet due to hardware.
maximum360
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brotkasten said:
I know about the TP2 successor but I'm not exactly excited about it. I want to see what else they have to offer.
Vanillalite
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Totakeke said:
Due to what hardware wise? Software wise maybe, but I fail to see what's so blocking it hardware wise. Sound quality is ALWAYS gonna be iffy on a device this small too.
Raistlin said:
Um, because the sound quality is better? They put in better hardware? You can also use line out docks with it to bypass the internal amp? Because other smartphone makers typically don't emphasize sound quality or care about it at all? I believe even iPhone doesn't beat their iPods in terms of SQ, but at least it's still decent.
Brettison said:
Sansa clip is way smaller than any of these smartphones and it's SQ is pretty good. To clarify, I'm not talking about amazing SQ, I'm just talking about at least decent and doesn't sound muffled or shrilly with harsh highs and that's already a lot to ask for. And I already said Zune HD is pretty good in terms of a media player, and that's because of it's hardware.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Totakeke said:
Sound Quality on my Focus is better than my Mom's iPhone 4.
brotkasten
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Which phone do you have?Billen said:I have to restart my mobile quite a lot. Having had it running for a while, you can't even start the games (Live) function. It starts loading then it, yes, crashes back to the "desktop".
It is? In some cases, some cases not.Totakeke said:
One of the big complaints for iPod/iPhone is the shit headphone amp. It is far from audiophile.
It's funny you mention that considering they only recently opened up digital docking. Previously it was all via analog.
Regardless, yes it is nice that they finally offer this. From my understanding MS is working on an update to dock via miniUSB (it's already working on dev builds IIRC) ... so we likely will see this in the future. Probably faster than Apple actually. Not sure of the status for BT-based docking.
Sweeping generalizations are sweeping. Go use one of the SE Walkman phones, etc. Obviously it isn't a priority for many manufacturers, but some do consider it.
Raistlin said:
Funny, funny, funny what? You're talking a lot about inconsequential stuffs and you just confirmed what I said. iPhone has better sound quality, there are no windows phone 7 with good sound quality from what we know (SE doesn't make WP7 phones last I checked and SE Walkman is NOT a smartphone).
And before this degrades into an iPhone vs WP7 generic debate, I'd like to add that having great media software and music streaming services is a PLUS. It's just a shame that there's no device that's up to the task of delivering quality sound.
Out of curiousity what tests do you use to determine this? I know a lot of subjective reviews say things like "sounds good" "sounds bad" "better than X" "worse than Y" but I'm sure there's some hard data out there for audio quality.Totakeke said:
I'm not much of an audiophile so I don't even know what metric someone would use to the determine an objective "best".
It's probably not worth discussing further without hard data, because frankly I think my Focus sounds as good as my iPhone 3G did. And that's all that really matters to me.
Well THAT'S bulletproof pre-defense right there. Oh well, so you don't know AND you're drawing conclusions?Totakeke said:
kazinova said:
Sir, that means I'm drawing conclusions from what I know by reading the reviews that are available and my experience with smartphones brands and I'm open to changing my opinions if there are articles out there that say otherwise. You'd rather I say, I am 100% sure from the reviews I read and I'm not changing my mind ever?
Heck, if this is getting so much negativity, I'm going to just shut up and let you guys continue on whatever you guys are talking about.
kazinova said:
I'll just pm you the stuffs and read it if you want.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Someone already mentioned that the Focus sounds better than iPhone, and they had access to both. If you don't have any actual reviews or other data to refute that, I would drop the "iPhone sounds better" argument.
I'm definitely not an audiophile, but I haven't heard a phone that sounds better than my old Zune 30. I'll see how the Focus holds up when I get it hopefully sometime this week.
I'm definitely not an audiophile, but I haven't heard a phone that sounds better than my old Zune 30. I'll see how the Focus holds up when I get it hopefully sometime this week.
Anton Sugar
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:lol :lol :lolCharred Greyface said:
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Totakeke said:
You've got to be a troll because no legitimate audiophile would cite iPods as reference SQ or having "quality sound".
Picked up an LG Optimus 7 yesterday, and I'm really liking it. No OLED, but it's still a decent screen.
Had a few issues with the marketplace showing me pounds instead of dollars and not allowing me to buy or download anything. After two hard resets, I decided to leave the display language on initial setup as "English (United States)" instead of changing it to "English (United Kingdom)", which forces a soft reboot. After setting up my Live ID on the phone and then changing the display language and region, I finally have access to the correct marketplace as well as the correct language. :lol
Had a few issues with the marketplace showing me pounds instead of dollars and not allowing me to buy or download anything. After two hard resets, I decided to leave the display language on initial setup as "English (United States)" instead of changing it to "English (United Kingdom)", which forces a soft reboot. After setting up my Live ID on the phone and then changing the display language and region, I finally have access to the correct marketplace as well as the correct language. :lol
The fact that a digital connection only recently being available is inconsequential to your point?Totakeke said:
The fact the amp is all but shit in an iPod, let alone an iPhone, is inconsequential? :lol
Based on what exactly? You state there are no audiophile reviews, and then claim with authority iPhone is better. Troll much?
And how do we know this exactly?
Unless plans have changed, SE has Android Walkman in the pipe.
You're the one degrading this thread. Wow.
Alright, I apologize for intruding this thread. All I wanted was to discuss WP7 phones sound quality and my point wasn't to raise a comparison against iPhone or whatever else, we can discuss that but that wasn't my point. I take back whatever I said and I'm sorry for making judgments about WP7 phones.
I'll appreciate if you let this issue die.
I'll appreciate if you let this issue die.
Anton Sugar
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Totakeke said:
I don't think anyone is upset about the discussion, just that you make a lot of claims without anything to back them up. I am interested in using my WP7 phone as my main media device, so I actually am trying to find articles about the sound quality and how it stacks up (using a Focus here).
Raistlin said:
For what it's worth, Anandtech's ipod touch 4th gen review put it and the iphone 4 ahead of or better than the Zune HD in all sound categories.
http://www.anandtech.com/Show/Index...od-touch-2010-review-not-a-poor-mans-iphone-4
Point taken though, that no one has reviewed the windows phones as an mp3 player.
Dez said:
Wow, I never had an Iphone, however I've had an ipod touch 2nd, and compared to my Zune HD it sounded like shit (a bit of hyperbole) I use my HD7 as a MP3 player for my Spin classes, and will have to run some tests on sound quality once I get it back from the wife (Zune HD).
Mr. Snrub said:
Well sound is a very subjective thing, and if you get into a heated debate, one side can move goalposts forever because there's ultimately no such thing as a truly objective sound measure and it'll end up a pointless discussion. It's my mistake to bring it up on the first place, but if several people say Samsung Focus has a good sound quality, it may be so. But it's difficult to judge sound quality unless people go into detail about the sound, which is why I asked Brettison those questions about giving more details about his experience. One inexperienced listener could say a media player sound better just because it produces a lot of bass, but it could be terrible in everything else. In fact, he may be even referring to speaker sound in the first place while I was talking about the sound quality output to earphones and headphones.
You can also see Raistlin talking about Sony Ericsson phones, which I basically agree that their brand is well known for the better audio quality and you can find a similar comment made by me around a year ago on this forums if you search for it, but they're not WP7 phone makers right now although he keeps bringing them up. I'm guessing he's not sure about the sound quality of the current WP7 phones that's out there either and neither am I. It's much easier to get reviews if your whole platform is based on a single phone hardware (like the iPhone, as much I hate to say the dreaded word here), rather than spread throughout several manufacturers. That's the same thing with Android and I'm saying that because WP7 has great media capabilities, I'd care more about having good sound quality for WP7 phones than I would ever for Android phones and that's a compliment.
antiquegamer
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I don't know but my Focus sound better than my old iPhone not sure about the touch or iPhone 4 because I don't have one.
killertofu
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So is anyone gonna take the risk to get a Venue Pro? I'm still on the fence about it. I'm completely fine with my 3GS on Tmobile, but a hardware keyboard would be great
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
So, got a chance to use my friend's WP7 phone last night. I used the LG phone with the keyboard, no idea what the model was called. A few impressions:
- The phone felt sturdy and light. No problem with phone feel. It had a 5 megapixel camera, which seems about standard. Screen quality was decent, although not Retina Display decent. Brightness seemed good. Keyboard feel was good although I only used it to type a few URLs and I haven't used a qwerty keyboard phone before so I can't give a reference to button size or feel.
- The OS definitely has some neat ideas, but it isn't quite all there. I won't list the positives here, I think everyone who has used these phones gets a good handle of what they do well. The browser seems good, typography OS-wide is great, most of the OS seems well designed, the sticky button grid thing on the main menu is nice, Live integration works well, etc. I especially liked how when you sleep the phone and wake it, you slide upward from the lock screen. It looked and felt very smooth. You all know what it does right, though.
But in terms of what I didn't like, I ran into a number of annoyances while I used it. I have no idea if any of these are problems that can be fixed with settings changes, or if they're unique to this phone model or not. I am not a Windows Phone expert, this was a 20-30 minute period of using one. A short list;
1) There was no Wifi strength indicator. I had to page over to Settings, Wifi, I'm connected. I didn't disconnect at any point to check it on 3G so I have no idea if a 3G icon would have come up if not, but I didn't like that there was no Wifi sign.
2) If the phone went inactive and turned off, I had to use the top button to reactivate it, not the face button. On the iPhone both the home button and the power button would work for reactivating the phone.
3) While downloading games from the games marketplace, there didn't seem to be an easy way to view the download progress or queue and although it did background download there was no indication that it was background downloading. If I went back to home, I had no idea if the downloads were done or in progress. I had to go back into Games, Get More Games, click on the game I was downloading--and there's my progress. I intuited this after a while, but it seems like an iffy choice.
4) LG Branded apps in the marketplace. Fuck device/carrier branding. One marketplace for all is non-negotiable. Ugh.
5) No quick mute; volume down just steadily lowers volume. Either a mute lever or a hold-for-two-seconds-and-auto-mute function would have been appreciated.
6) Almost no application has a back gesture. They all use the virtual back button at the bottom of the touch screen. That's fine, but on this particular phone the back button is not permanently backlit, and I didn't even realize it was there for about ten minutes when I was using the phone. I'm not sure if a dedicated back button is a plus or minus on the overall (I can think of use-cases for both sides), but it being unclear is definitely a minus.
7) While the UI is very nice and the titles are large and obvious and there's some great typography use, sometimes the titles are awkwardly cut off. Like, under games the title looked like "games"--the s was kind of just barely cut off. It feels like some of the UI panels are very well scaled for the phone and some aren't.
8) The main menu seems a little unbalanced. You've got two horizontal tiles, and those tiles bring you to about 75-80% of the screen... and then you've got an empty black space. It's not a continuous flow to the next horizontal screen, there's no prompt that there is a next horizontal screen, and the tiles don't fill up the screen. I'm not sure why they did it this way.
9) The games marketplace doesn't seem particularly well laid out. The main categories are fine--XBL, Top, Free, New--and navigation between them works fine. But once you're in a category, it's just a giant list. I have no idea how the lists were sorted, there's no pagination, and I feel like this isn't going to scale well. The iOS App Store is easy to get lost in, certainly, but I definitely feel like it scaled better.
10) Achievement integration isn't visually consistent from the games I checked out. I would have preferred a standardized achievement list display and a standardized achievement unlocked display.
11) When the phone goes inactive you get booted out of the game you're playing and have to relaunch it. What the hell were they thinking there?
Am I wrong with any of these criticisms? Can they be changed in the settings or are they per-model settings? I'm not really a candidate for buying a WP7 phone anyway, but I'm still curious if my impressions here are right.
In terms of games, I tried to try all of the Xbox Live games (no interest in non-XBL games), that were exclusive or semi-exclusive for WP7.
- Butterfly; played first five-ten levels, looked nice, play was responsive, don't know what kind of depth it has.
- Flowerz; competent port, wasn't a huge fan of the game on MSN.
- OMG: Our Manic Game; I really really liked the core mechanic here. Not sure how much content is in the full version and some of the reviews suggested it was buggy, but this was definitely the best game I played.
- CarneyVale Showtime; a great game and I love it on Xbox Indies. Decent enough port, although there was some slowdown. The screen viewing hole might be a little too small. Touching to control it covers up a little too much of the screen, and you don't see enough to know what direction to go in. I felt like the game worked better on Xbox Indies because you could really plan out a strategy for the level. Wasn't able to pause the game--the pause indicator is a little too small and specific and the game keeps thinking I'm trying to control the character instead of pause.
- The Revenants; this sucked hard. I'm a fan of Jezzball and Qix and Dr. Awesome on the iPhone and Butterfly Loop or whatever on the iPhone and other games that involve wrangling or dividing enemies, but the presentation was ugly, the demo was pitifully short, and the gameplay seemed slow and unengaging.
Downloaded Twin Blades and The Harvest but didn't get to try either in time. Didn't notice much else I was interested in that wasn't available elsewhere.
- The phone felt sturdy and light. No problem with phone feel. It had a 5 megapixel camera, which seems about standard. Screen quality was decent, although not Retina Display decent. Brightness seemed good. Keyboard feel was good although I only used it to type a few URLs and I haven't used a qwerty keyboard phone before so I can't give a reference to button size or feel.
- The OS definitely has some neat ideas, but it isn't quite all there. I won't list the positives here, I think everyone who has used these phones gets a good handle of what they do well. The browser seems good, typography OS-wide is great, most of the OS seems well designed, the sticky button grid thing on the main menu is nice, Live integration works well, etc. I especially liked how when you sleep the phone and wake it, you slide upward from the lock screen. It looked and felt very smooth. You all know what it does right, though.
But in terms of what I didn't like, I ran into a number of annoyances while I used it. I have no idea if any of these are problems that can be fixed with settings changes, or if they're unique to this phone model or not. I am not a Windows Phone expert, this was a 20-30 minute period of using one. A short list;
1) There was no Wifi strength indicator. I had to page over to Settings, Wifi, I'm connected. I didn't disconnect at any point to check it on 3G so I have no idea if a 3G icon would have come up if not, but I didn't like that there was no Wifi sign.
2) If the phone went inactive and turned off, I had to use the top button to reactivate it, not the face button. On the iPhone both the home button and the power button would work for reactivating the phone.
3) While downloading games from the games marketplace, there didn't seem to be an easy way to view the download progress or queue and although it did background download there was no indication that it was background downloading. If I went back to home, I had no idea if the downloads were done or in progress. I had to go back into Games, Get More Games, click on the game I was downloading--and there's my progress. I intuited this after a while, but it seems like an iffy choice.
4) LG Branded apps in the marketplace. Fuck device/carrier branding. One marketplace for all is non-negotiable. Ugh.
5) No quick mute; volume down just steadily lowers volume. Either a mute lever or a hold-for-two-seconds-and-auto-mute function would have been appreciated.
6) Almost no application has a back gesture. They all use the virtual back button at the bottom of the touch screen. That's fine, but on this particular phone the back button is not permanently backlit, and I didn't even realize it was there for about ten minutes when I was using the phone. I'm not sure if a dedicated back button is a plus or minus on the overall (I can think of use-cases for both sides), but it being unclear is definitely a minus.
7) While the UI is very nice and the titles are large and obvious and there's some great typography use, sometimes the titles are awkwardly cut off. Like, under games the title looked like "game
8) The main menu seems a little unbalanced. You've got two horizontal tiles, and those tiles bring you to about 75-80% of the screen... and then you've got an empty black space. It's not a continuous flow to the next horizontal screen, there's no prompt that there is a next horizontal screen, and the tiles don't fill up the screen. I'm not sure why they did it this way.
9) The games marketplace doesn't seem particularly well laid out. The main categories are fine--XBL, Top, Free, New--and navigation between them works fine. But once you're in a category, it's just a giant list. I have no idea how the lists were sorted, there's no pagination, and I feel like this isn't going to scale well. The iOS App Store is easy to get lost in, certainly, but I definitely feel like it scaled better.
10) Achievement integration isn't visually consistent from the games I checked out. I would have preferred a standardized achievement list display and a standardized achievement unlocked display.
11) When the phone goes inactive you get booted out of the game you're playing and have to relaunch it. What the hell were they thinking there?
Am I wrong with any of these criticisms? Can they be changed in the settings or are they per-model settings? I'm not really a candidate for buying a WP7 phone anyway, but I'm still curious if my impressions here are right.
In terms of games, I tried to try all of the Xbox Live games (no interest in non-XBL games), that were exclusive or semi-exclusive for WP7.
- Butterfly; played first five-ten levels, looked nice, play was responsive, don't know what kind of depth it has.
- Flowerz; competent port, wasn't a huge fan of the game on MSN.
- OMG: Our Manic Game; I really really liked the core mechanic here. Not sure how much content is in the full version and some of the reviews suggested it was buggy, but this was definitely the best game I played.
- CarneyVale Showtime; a great game and I love it on Xbox Indies. Decent enough port, although there was some slowdown. The screen viewing hole might be a little too small. Touching to control it covers up a little too much of the screen, and you don't see enough to know what direction to go in. I felt like the game worked better on Xbox Indies because you could really plan out a strategy for the level. Wasn't able to pause the game--the pause indicator is a little too small and specific and the game keeps thinking I'm trying to control the character instead of pause.
- The Revenants; this sucked hard. I'm a fan of Jezzball and Qix and Dr. Awesome on the iPhone and Butterfly Loop or whatever on the iPhone and other games that involve wrangling or dividing enemies, but the presentation was ugly, the demo was pitifully short, and the gameplay seemed slow and unengaging.
Downloaded Twin Blades and The Harvest but didn't get to try either in time. Didn't notice much else I was interested in that wasn't available elsewhere.
Stump, my HD7 has both wifi strength and 3g/edge signal strength ratings as well, so it could be a phone by phone basis thing. I'm sure others will chime in. The having to touch the power button thing to wake up annoyed me as well when I first got it, but then I realized that the unit essentially goes into a power down mode and thus all capacitive buttons shut off. I got used to it.
Games having to relaunch after screen being shut off annoys the hell out of me to no end, hopefully they fix this. I'm not sure if the WP7 software allows for any true multitask, again, other tech heads here will chime in on that.
Edit: the black spaces on both the side and top? (Issue 8) there is a prompt in the form of an arrow to tell me that there is another screen. The black on the right side and top serve (well to me) as scroll bars. Again all on my HD7
Games having to relaunch after screen being shut off annoys the hell out of me to no end, hopefully they fix this. I'm not sure if the WP7 software allows for any true multitask, again, other tech heads here will chime in on that.
Edit: the black spaces on both the side and top? (Issue 8) there is a prompt in the form of an arrow to tell me that there is another screen. The black on the right side and top serve (well to me) as scroll bars. Again all on my HD7
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
1) No indicator... sucks but eh I never really care about my indicator beyond just knowing hey can I get service or not wifi wise.
2) No they went with a standardized power and lock button. I personally like this better on my focus cause with the physical button + screen swipe it's basically impossible to fuck with my phone once I've locked it. No need to add a password thing or something so this doesn't happen. If the home button at the bottom turned it back on from sleep I could see me having more issues. So I like this.
3) I think there is a download tab you can surf to that only appears when you have downloads going. I agree this can be slightly annoying though.
4) Why is just having one small extra tab that big of a deal. Everything but the carrier apps are in the real marketplace so just don't click on the LG tab? Plus you can uninstall any preinstalled app with just a tap + hold. I literally uninstalled my 4 AT&T apps in under 30 seconds when I 1st turned on my phone. Then boom it's like they've never been there ever since. This only appears to be a big issue cause of Android and the fact that you can't get rid of some apps without rooting.
5) Volume modes in general needs to be improved. As I said just a few posts ago they need better volume controls, and FFS get rid of the of universal volume for all. In my top 5 phone/os complaints right now.
6) Pluses and minuses here. Not a big problem when it's your own phone cause you know the buttons are actually there. I personally like the setup. The downside isn't with the setup for me, but rather with the task management. Going back means having to reload which isn't a back button issue but a multitasking issue.
7) Cut off doesn't bother me, but others have mentioned it. I'm not as picky, but I can see how some would be like weird.
8) Actually that circle with the arrow pointing to the right is kind of an indicator. Plus if you scroll all the way to the bottom your screen gets a little bump like you've hit the bottom and it makes your circle arrow bump and move to the right like hey there is more shit over here. I actually just noticed this the other day actually!
9) I feel ya on the app store. It works okay, but I too am worried about scale. Wish you had a list alphabetically and you could click on the letter and select a different letter like you can in your contacts for the marketplace.
10) Maybe I haven't played enough games, but all of my games flash up the achievement thing on the top in a bar like all of your other notifications on that bar ie text message or music controls etc...
11) Well yeah see what I said in number 6. This is purely the fact that when you exit out the app closes. There is no multitasking. It's the number one thing I want beyond the volume controls thing.
PS: I'm trying to not comment on the sound stuff cause I think the flames have died and don't want to stoke the fire. I do have apple buds, my focus buds, grados, audio technicas, and koss stuff too.
2) No they went with a standardized power and lock button. I personally like this better on my focus cause with the physical button + screen swipe it's basically impossible to fuck with my phone once I've locked it. No need to add a password thing or something so this doesn't happen. If the home button at the bottom turned it back on from sleep I could see me having more issues. So I like this.
3) I think there is a download tab you can surf to that only appears when you have downloads going. I agree this can be slightly annoying though.
4) Why is just having one small extra tab that big of a deal. Everything but the carrier apps are in the real marketplace so just don't click on the LG tab? Plus you can uninstall any preinstalled app with just a tap + hold. I literally uninstalled my 4 AT&T apps in under 30 seconds when I 1st turned on my phone. Then boom it's like they've never been there ever since. This only appears to be a big issue cause of Android and the fact that you can't get rid of some apps without rooting.
5) Volume modes in general needs to be improved. As I said just a few posts ago they need better volume controls, and FFS get rid of the of universal volume for all. In my top 5 phone/os complaints right now.
6) Pluses and minuses here. Not a big problem when it's your own phone cause you know the buttons are actually there. I personally like the setup. The downside isn't with the setup for me, but rather with the task management. Going back means having to reload which isn't a back button issue but a multitasking issue.
7) Cut off doesn't bother me, but others have mentioned it. I'm not as picky, but I can see how some would be like weird.
8) Actually that circle with the arrow pointing to the right is kind of an indicator. Plus if you scroll all the way to the bottom your screen gets a little bump like you've hit the bottom and it makes your circle arrow bump and move to the right like hey there is more shit over here. I actually just noticed this the other day actually!
9) I feel ya on the app store. It works okay, but I too am worried about scale. Wish you had a list alphabetically and you could click on the letter and select a different letter like you can in your contacts for the marketplace.
10) Maybe I haven't played enough games, but all of my games flash up the achievement thing on the top in a bar like all of your other notifications on that bar ie text message or music controls etc...
11) Well yeah see what I said in number 6. This is purely the fact that when you exit out the app closes. There is no multitasking. It's the number one thing I want beyond the volume controls thing.
PS: I'm trying to not comment on the sound stuff cause I think the flames have died and don't want to stoke the fire. I do have apple buds, my focus buds, grados, audio technicas, and koss stuff too.
Fair points. Haven't been bothered by either in daily usage, and I always make it a point of using the power button on my Omnia for screen-off/on.Stumpokapow said:
Download game/app, press "check install".
Mobile operators and manufacturers are producing their own applications and don't want people who aren't customers from using them. They're all optional and many of them add value. I - personally - don't see the problem.
Fair point.
Haven't really come across this as an issue in daily use. The Omnia's back and search buttons aren't permanently lit either, but once you know they're there it just becomes second nature.
Can see what you mean, but hasn't bothered me.
There is a prompt; the arrow button...
Definitely agree there needs to be some improvements to the sub-category structure of the marketplace on the phone. It's fine on the Zune application but that's only a stop-gap.
Haven't noticed, but wouldn't object to greater consistency a lá X360 here.
Hmm, hadn't noticed this. Just loaded up Flowerz, used the power button to switch on sleep-mode, swiped the lock-screen up and was back in the game?
WTF is up with apps that don't offer English text on non-English markets? Seriously WTF? No option at all to use the original app? I just bought OMG, been frantically searching around for a way to have it be in English. In Flowerz the achivements wouldn't translate but the rest was in English at least. Fuck this (and the fact that Xbox Live Extras isn't even available here, fuck that).
Lots of good responses already, nice to read on a sunday morning
That's a feature not a bug. Once you get used to the Metro UI, you'll learn that "cut off" text indicates a particular UI View. The UI panel wasn't scaled improperly, it doesn't really matter where the Panorama title was cut off. After a while nobody expects to read the entire title on one screen anyway.Stumpokapow said:
I've already been beat with answer. But you have a point though. I think the Panorama and Pivot view should be used on the homescreen as well so you have the live tiles as the first view, scroll to the right for list view, scroll further for a categories view and so on. Then the bouncing arrow wouldn't be necessary.Stumpokapow said:
I also found this odd but Andorid users have been living without a hardware mute button for years so *shrug* Slightly off tangent but is there any modern smartphone with a hardware volume slider?Stumpokapow said:
The mute/vibrate control on the Pre2 is a slider but the volume control is the 'plus' and 'minus' buttons like on the iPhone and WP7 phones. I 'm asking about a volume control that is a slider. I don't think the WP7 spec requirements allows for mute button but the manufacturer could deliver something similar with a volume control slider.Tapiozona said:
So I went out and got Windows 7 on my mac, and installed Messenger. I love the Yahoo/FB integration, on it, what does this have to do with WP7? That I wished the live messenger there had this level of integration.
I'm going to kick a dog or something now while beating this dead horse.
I'm going to kick a dog or something now while beating this dead horse.
As far as the criticisms of preference there's no "right" or "wrong", I prefer the unique layout and Metro UI cues that prompt text to cutoff and the start screen to the look the way it does. As others have pointed out some of the usability things you missed are there. Part of the curse of being different in design I suppose...Stumpokapow said:
BTW, iPhone/Android has always reminded me of this:
with the mass of large buttons on pages that you jump in and out of.
While WP7 is reminiscent of...well...nothing. ('cept for Zune, but that's pretty obvious.)
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