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Stumpokapow said:
1) There was no Wifi strength indicator.
Strange, I have a wifi signal indicator on mine. Then again, it only appears when I'm on the lock screen or when I flick from the top to see my battery status and such.

Stumpokapow said:
2) If the phone went inactive and turned off, I had to use the top button to reactivate it, not the face button. On the iPhone both the home button and the power button would work for reactivating the phone.
It's a bit annoying for me as well since the power button is a tiny thing on the top of the phone, but then again, my phone's physical buttons are raised slightly, so I can see myself inadvertently pressing the start button just from walking.

Stumpokapow said:
3) While downloading games from the games marketplace, there didn't seem to be an easy way to view the download progress or queue and although it did background download there was no indication that it was background downloading.
The progress of all downloads can be viewed from the marketplace main page; there's a link that appears only when downloads are occurring, and pressing it takes you to your download queue. It would be nice to have the same feature in the games hub.

Stumpokapow said:
4) LG Branded apps in the marketplace. Fuck device/carrier branding. One marketplace for all is non-negotiable. Ugh.
I actually like some of the apps LG wrote for my phone. The "Play To" DLNA-certified app kicks ass. If the carriers/phone manufacturers want to spend resources to create special apps, let them, I say, and I don't see any other exclusive apps in the marketplace anyway.

Stumpokapow said:
5) No quick mute; volume down just steadily lowers volume. Either a mute lever or a hold-for-two-seconds-and-auto-mute function would have been appreciated.
Agreed. My old BlackBerry's volume buttons also allowed me to change tracks based on how I pressed them.

Stumpokapow said:
6) Almost no application has a back gesture. They all use the virtual back button at the bottom of the touch screen. That's fine, but on this particular phone the back button is not permanently backlit, and I didn't even realize it was there for about ten minutes when I was using the phone. I'm not sure if a dedicated back button is a plus or minus on the overall (I can think of use-cases for both sides), but it being unclear is definitely a minus.
I think it depends on the phone. The back button is very clear on my LG phone (not the Optimus Quantum with the keyboard, but raised buttons), and I'm adjusting to the WP7 UX paradigm; "back" for going back within an application and to previous applications, "start" to start new applications, and "search" to search within an application.

Stumpokapow said:
7) While the UI is very nice and the titles are large and obvious and there's some great typography use, sometimes the titles are awkwardly cut off. Like, under games the title looked like "games"--the s was kind of just barely cut off. It feels like some of the UI panels are very well scaled for the phone and some aren't.
That's just the way "panorama" applications work on the phone; as you scroll horizontally, the text and background move on separate parallax layers. The "g" in games gets cut off when you scroll right, for example.

Stumpokapow said:
8) The main menu seems a little unbalanced. You've got two horizontal tiles, and those tiles bring you to about 75-80% of the screen... and then you've got an empty black space. It's not a continuous flow to the next horizontal screen, there's no prompt that there is a next horizontal screen, and the tiles don't fill up the screen. I'm not sure why they did it this way.
I think it's for your thumb if you hold the phone with your right hand; you can scroll without covering any information that may be presented by the tiles. That being said, it would be nice to have a southpaw option.

Stumpokapow said:
9) The games marketplace doesn't seem particularly well laid out. The main categories are fine--XBL, Top, Free, New--and navigation between them works fine. But once you're in a category, it's just a giant list. I have no idea how the lists were sorted, there's no pagination, and I feel like this isn't going to scale well. The iOS App Store is easy to get lost in, certainly, but I definitely feel like it scaled better.
There's a "categories" section after "free", which has various game genres for you to drill down deeper. Is this is a new addition? I agree with the pagination issue in terms of scrolling, because the virtual list sometimes doesn't load as fast as I scroll.

Stumpokapow said:
10) Achievement integration isn't visually consistent from the games I checked out. I would have preferred a standardized achievement list display and a standardized achievement unlocked display.
I can't comment on this because I haven't played many XBL games yet on the phone.

Stumpokapow said:
11) When the phone goes inactive you get booted out of the game you're playing and have to relaunch it. What the hell were they thinking there?
I think it depends on the game's resource utilisation. Games can remain active under the lock screen, so I think the OS tombstones games that may drain the battery.
 
Tenkei said:
I think it depends on the game's resource utilisation. Games can remain active under the lock screen, so I think the OS tombstones games that may drain the battery.

There is no multitasking outside of the zune player. So not sure how you are getting games to remain active under the lock screen. There is a reason you always get the "resume" screen. It's reloading the app.
 
Tenkei said:
Strange, I have a wifi signal indicator on mine. Then again, it only appears when I'm on the lock screen or when I flick from the top to see my battery status and such.
Strength indicator or signal indicator?
 
Brettison said:
There is no multitasking outside of the zune player. So not sure how you are getting games to remain active under the lock screen. There is a reason you always get the "resume" screen. It's reloading the app.

Apps can run under the lock screen, it shows up as RunUnderLock (or something like that) in marketplace.
 
Brettison said:
There is no multitasking outside of the zune player. So not sure how you are getting games to remain active under the lock screen. There is a reason you always get the "resume" screen. It's reloading the app.
Running under the lock screen is part of the SDK. For apps that use it, you are asked whether it is okay to do so when you launch for the first time after install. I don't know if it's required to ask, but all instances I've seen thus far do.

Crap zune isn't even the only music player to do this. For example last.FM supports playback under the lock screen.
 
Has anybody here added an SD card to the Focus? I'm looking for impressions based on more than just a few days of usage.

I'm planning on getting one of the Samsung SD cards - does anyone have that link to the amazon list of compatible cards?
 
CaptainABAB said:
Has anybody here added an SD card to the Focus? I'm looking for impressions based on more than just a few days of usage.

I'm planning on getting one of the Samsung SD cards - does anyone have that link to the amazon list of compatible cards?

From everything I heard it's simply a bad idea. MS certainly does not want you to do it.
 
shantyman said:
From everything I heard it's simply a bad idea. MS certainly does not want you to do it.
I believe the focus is a bit of a special situation. It's a secondary slot iirc.

That said I'm going to wait to see how things pan out with the upcoming is updates
 
When I get my focus, hopefully this week, I'll be popping in an 8gb card immediately. Im not putting up with just 8gb. I'll let you guys know how it works out.
 
The bottom line is MS does not truly support expanding the memory this way. There is too much variety in card [performance even within a specific model from a manufacturer. It's a carrier thing.

It's rather amazing that the Focus only has 8GB in today's day and age.
 
shantyman said:
The bottom line is MS does not truly support expanding the memory this way. There is too much variety in card [performance even within a specific model from a manufacturer. It's a carrier thing.
The phone spec mandates usage of SD as its memory, but it is left to carriers to verify what works on their particular HW (though obviously MS has specs).

In other words if there are no cards with guaranteed performance, tons of phones would be failing with their internal memory on delivery. Obviously that isn't the case, so we need to simply determine the correct cards to use.



It's rather amazing that the Focus only has 8GB in today's day and age.
Well it isn't the only one. That said it was done because they actually did intend people to use the expansion slot. The Focus is a different beast versus what other people are doing. You aren't replacing the system card IIRC.
 
Raistlin said:
The phone spec mandates usage of SD as its memory, but it is left to carriers to verify what works on their particular HW (though obviously MS has specs).

In other words if there are no cards with guaranteed performance, tons of phones would be failing with their internal memory on delivery. Obviously that isn't the case, so we need to simply determine the correct cards to use.

I could be wrong and am not trying to argue with you, but again I am talking about expanding the memory. The reason MS does not support it is you cannot simply say just use this card or that card and know for certain it will "just work." The variations are too great. Even if one brand/SKU works well generally on, say, the Focus, on some it may not. That is the nightmare Microsoft is trying to avoid.
 
Raistlin said:
Well it isn't the only one. That said it was done because they actually did intend people to use the expansion slot. The Focus is a different beast versus what other people are doing. You aren't replacing the system card IIRC.

Yeah, lots of people have use certain 8-16GB cards with success. And that is in addition to the built in 8GB storage. The 32GB cards have been less successful.
 
shantyman said:
It's rather amazing that the Focus only has 8GB in today's day and age.
It is a bit surprising, and I was set on expanding the memory of mine right when I got it but I am still using the built in 8GB so far. I still have my Zune HD as my music/podcast player as I prefer it's size and media controls over what the Focus/WP7 uses so the phone right now is only for phone/email/internet/app/etc. usage. Considering most apps are not terribly large I think I might be able to get buy for a while without worrying about expanding memory.
 
shantyman said:
I could be wrong and am not trying to argue with you, but again I am talking about expanding the memory. The reason MS does not support it is you cannot simply say just use this card or that card and know for certain it will "just work." The variations are too great. Even if one brand/SKU works well generally on, say, the Focus, on some it may not. That is the nightmare Microsoft is trying to avoid.
I'm saying on a per-phone basis, you can make the determination.

You HAVE to be able to, otherwise the phones wouldn't work.
 
So who's going to fork over the $10 to try out the new Silverlight enhanced movie apps? School of Rock is available right now. I'd copy and paste the link but....
 
thirty said:
So who's going to fork over the $10 to try out the new Silverlight enhanced movie apps? School of Rock is available right now. I'd copy and paste the link but....

They're available now? If there was a movie out that I wanted, I'd grab it. Not crazy about School of Rock.
 
A post from a Dell moderator says the company is working directly with Microsoft to draft a battle plan and that current Venue Pro owners (those that got their devices early on from Microsoft stores, that is) "might require another hardware swap" to get their issues solved. The rep says that she's hearing that some orders could still potentially ship this week, but she doesn't know which ones, and that affected customers are welcome to cancel their orders if they wish.
Engadget: Dell: 'Venue Pros are being reworked in the factories,' ship schedule unclear

Thank God I'm not waiting anymore for this phone. :lol
 
Smartphone Browser Landscape

A List Apart said:
What about IE?

I’ve already covered several browsers that I urge you to test your site on—the total test browser count is already higher than for the average desktop site. There’s a ray of hope between all the gloom, however: IE doesn’t matter on mobile.

The default browser in Windows’ Phone 7 is based on IE7 and incorporates some IE8 features. That’s better than Windows Mobile’s default browser, which is based on IE6. Older versions are based on IE4. Although Windows Phone 7 could become a hit, I believe it won’t ever command a 65% market share as it does on the desktop. I estimate that, in time, Microsoft will conquer 10 to 15% of the smartphone market, tops.

So the question becomes: Do we web developers dust off our IE knowledge, and force IE users to download extra style sheets? Do we force all users to download IE code branches over a mobile connection? Or do we ignore IE? I’m in favor of the latter.

Microsoft is aware of this problem, and knows it can make IE Mobile matter by upgrading it to IE9 levels. In fact, this is being done right now. If all our sites suddenly work in a future version of IE Mobile, all the better! And we might even start testing on it. But we’re not required to laboriously work around one IE bug after another, as we do for the desktop.

:/
 
A Short Story about Phone 7

  • Went to pick up buy 1 get 1 free HD7 from T-Mobile Store.
  • Told wife what we were getting.
  • She responded by asking: "That is one of the cool phones, right?"
  • My response: "Uhhhh...errr...yeah...it is".
  • After waiting in line forever, told clerk what I wanted.
  • Clerk politely explained I should get an Android instead because of Apps.
  • I politely declined while wife suddenly got excited about Apps.
  • Wife asks if there is app x, y, z on the windows phone.
  • My response: "Uhhhhh...err....yeah...well not quite yet but they are coming"
  • Wife excitement slowly fades away.
  • We bring two new phones home and live happily ever after.
  • Wife secretly wants her old phone back.

Anybody know how to attach a recorded video to a text message?
 
thirty said:
Yes, just search for School of Rock.

Anybody try it yet? I know school of rock is not the best movie to want to keep but I am very interested in how it works (what does and doesn't) and what the video quality is like. Some of the others I might drop the 10 bucks just to see what its like but not school of rock so I am curious if anybody did spring for school of rock.
 
jagowar said:
Anybody try it yet? I know school of rock is not the best movie to want to keep but I am very interested in how it works (what does and doesn't) and what the video quality is like. Some of the others I might drop the 10 bucks just to see what its like but not school of rock so I am curious if anybody did spring for school of rock.
CTV used Silverlight to stream the Vancouver 2010 Olympics live and it was amazing. I was really biased since I wanted CBC to get the coverage but goddamn... best online live coverage I've ever seen for an event. Live, really quick, really high quality streams with bookmarks and rewinding (even while streaming live). Silverlight needs to replace Flash everywhere.
 
barkers crest said:
A Short Story about Phone 7

  • Went to pick up buy 1 get 1 free HD7 from T-Mobile Store.
  • Told wife what we were getting.
  • She responded by asking: "That is one of the cool phones, right?"
  • My response: "Uhhhh...errr...yeah...it is".
  • After waiting in line forever, told clerk what I wanted.
  • Clerk politely explained I should get an Android instead because of Apps.
  • I politely declined while wife suddenly got excited about Apps.
  • Wife asks if there is app x, y, z on the windows phone.
  • My response: "Uhhhhh...err....yeah...well not quite yet but they are coming"
  • Wife excitement slowly fades away.
  • We bring two new phones home and live happily ever after.
  • Wife secretly wants her old phone back.

Anybody know how to attach a recorded video to a text message?
What is the deal with these shop idiots pushing Android? I can see why people on a budget or with specific requirements that touch on its openness would choose that platform... But why would the shops push it over better consumer OS's?
 
Sir Fragula said:
What is the deal with these shop idiots pushing Android? I can see why people on a budget or with specific requirements that touch on its openness would choose that platform... But why would the shops push it over better consumer OS's?
nobody knows for sure. could be several things like t-mobile having a sales incentive to push their own My Touch 4G, a sales rep with their own agenda, etc.
 
Sir Fragula said:
What is the deal with these shop idiots pushing Android? I can see why people on a budget or with specific requirements that touch on its openness would choose that platform... But why would the shops push it over better consumer OS's?
I don't want to get into what the better OS is, but I think the psychology is just like when a game store employee pushes one console over another, regardless of its market position and content. It's called fanboyism.

Android is the geek's OS. They
we lol
see it as the anti-establishment OS, the tweakers OS, the techies OS. It's nerd-chick. Apple is for hipster, tech-tards ... Jobs is a dick ... WP7 is teh old just like its users ... MS is the big bad ... Google can do no evil ... etc. It's the nerds' underdog.
 
I need some gamertags for friending people to make Project Sunburst more fun. There's an achievement for helping 10 friends and no one I know other than my girlfriend (who switched from WinMo 6.0 to WP7) has a phone.

Gamertag: kazinova

I'm also pretty active on my Xbox on NFS-HP, CoDBlOps and Reach.
 
Sir Fragula said:
Not exactly the underdog at the moment; growing faster than the "mindshare leader" iPhone.

I'm well aware of the actual statistics, I'm talking about image and impressions.

Fanboyism isn't about numbers. It's about warm fuzzies.
 
Everdred said:
Can't be done as far as I know. Tried on my Focus with success.

So it worked for you on your focus? ...but doesn't work on HD7?

...or were you just successful in trying but not successful in getting it to work? :D

Sir Fragula said:
What is the deal with these shop idiots pushing Android? I can see why people on a budget or with specific requirements that touch on its openness would choose that platform... But why would the shops push it over better consumer OS's?

The reason, stated by this employee, was that people buy the Windows Phone then bring it back once they see the app selection. I know they may THINK they are helping people out, but the first question they should ask is "What interests you about the Windows Phone?"...and if the answer isn't apps they should keep their mouth shut. This goes for any product being sold...not just phones.
 
kazinova said:
I need some gamertags for friending people to make Project Sunburst more fun. There's an achievement for helping 10 friends and no one I know other than my girlfriend (who switched from WinMo 6.0 to WP7) has a phone.

Gamertag: kazinova

I'm also pretty active on my Xbox on NFS-HP, CoDBlOps and Reach.
Added you too my friends list, still waiting for sunburst to be released in the UK.
 
Raistlin said:
For marketshare? They've been posted a number of times (I'm pretty sure someone posts them monthly :lol)

You can google it pretty easily.
My random Google search doesn't reveal anything definite--some analyst guesses and anecdotes from stores. Since you said you knew of the "actual statistics," I was wondering if I missed anything.

Edit: Oh, that's Android marketshare.. Never mind.
 
Xbox Live Extras still not released in my country. The Podcast section is also still not available. I really hope someone sues Microsoft for false advertising (I consider doing it myself, to be honest). This is getting annoying.
 
kazinova said:
I need some gamertags for friending people to make Project Sunburst more fun. There's an achievement for helping 10 friends and no one I know other than my girlfriend (who switched from WinMo 6.0 to WP7) has a phone.

Gamertag: kazinova

I'm also pretty active on my Xbox on NFS-HP, CoDBlOps and Reach.
Sir Fragula. I'll see if my girlfriend wants to give out hers too.



The reason, stated by this employee, was that people buy the Windows Phone then bring it back once they see the app selection. I know they may THINK they are helping people out, but the first question they should ask is "What interests you about the Windows Phone?"...and if the answer isn't apps they should keep their mouth shut. This goes for any product being sold...not just phones.
That has got to be bullshit on his part. There are over 3,000 applications on the phone; what specialist applications could someone not tech savvy enough to research the availability on that platform need? If he's concerned with application availability, why wouldn't he push them to iOS rather than the disjointed and inconsistent Android ecosystem?
 
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