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brotkasten said:
Turn-by-Turn on Bing for Windows Mobile is just another US-only feature.
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Ah, so ovi will make it other countries will have access to this tech then.

Here's the WM6.5 in action for reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BJlv6doAJY

I've used it quite a handful of times. It's very useful for something that's free although the Android Google Navigation one is superior that it shows traffic.
 
By the way, I really hope they have something new to freaking show at MWC instead of falling back on this announcement to be their whole presence there.
 
Retrocide said:
It's going to give WP7 free turn by turn navigation. If it's anything like the ovi maps on symbian you'll be able to download the maps, no data connection required to navigate.
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Hmm...is this going to exclusive to Nokia phone or is this "exchange" of service between Microsoft and Nokia. If they incorporate into Bing then yeah, it would be available for all.
 
Please name the first device the Nokia Eagle.

There on day one if their offering is not phoned in like all the launch devices.
 
Thurrot's take on this, even before the announcement was official:
Microsoft + Nokia? An Alliance Isn't Enough. You Should Merge

Allow me to step out on a limb for a moment. On Friday, perhaps even before you read this, Nokia will reveal its strategy for the future, a strategy that many pundits believe will involve some deal where the company partners on Windows Phone with Microsoft. It's an interesting idea that has its backers and naysayers. But let me take this idea a step further since, let's face it, both Microsoft and Nokia need to be bold in order to succeed in a mobile market increasingly dominated by Apple and Google. I think the companies partnering isn't enough. I think, instead, that they should merge. This would send a message to the world that they are both serious about the mobile market, big time, and willing to bet their futures on it. Anything less would be a half-step. Anything less, in other words, simply doesn't go far enough.
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http://www.winsupersite.com/article/paul-thurrotts-wininfo/WinInfo-Short-Takes-February-11-2011.aspx
 
brotkasten said:
Thurrot's take on this, even before the announcement was official:

http://www.winsupersite.com/article/paul-thurrotts-wininfo/WinInfo-Short-Takes-February-11-2011.aspx
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I agree, with Nokia onboard Microsoft doesn't need HTC, Samsung and the rest to make phones for them. This partnership will end up in a merger by 2013 imo.

This is great news for WP7 but, like HP and Palm, the execution is going too slow. This is the tipping point year for smartphone adoption—Apple is out of all their exclusivity contracts and Android phones can now be had for $150 off contract. Right now, smartphone penetration in the USA is 26% (it's much higher in other developed countries). By the end on this hear, analysts suggest it will be over 50%...
 
The most important thing about a Nokia + WP7 partnership is that it FORCES Microsoft to step their services up outside of the US.

It would be pretty amazing if they had this announcement followed by some major details of the Mango update at MWC. They could turn people around on WP7 in a single week :P
 
PG2G said:
The most important thing about a Nokia + WP7 partnership is that it FORCES Microsoft to step their services up outside of the US.

It would be pretty amazing if they had this announcement followed by some major details of the Mango update at MWC. They could turn people around on WP7 in a single week :P
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Isn't there already rumbling about Mango being delay to "holidays" which I think is really bad if they miss another update already before the first one get off the gate. Nokia should have a Windows phone ready by fall with up-spec from current phone and with mango running.

I agree that if the partnership work out this would help MS in a lot of area outside US.
 
HTC's response

"Nokia’s following a similar lead to what HTC’s been doing, in not investing in our own platform, taking solid platforms and filling the gap to deliver a solid experience to the end user," he said, calling it "a validation of what we’re doing."

He did not however express any concern about the looming competition.
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And more important...

He admitted that HTC would not have any new Windows Phones to show off at Mobile World Congress, but said several will be announced later in the year.
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http://wmpoweruser.com/htc-calls-no...what-were-doing-promises-more-windows-phones/
 
No new Windows Phone 7 devices from HTC on Monday.
Mackenzie said HTC will continue to produce Windows Phone 7 devices, despite the Nokia announcement. It won't be announcing any new Windows models next week at the Mobile World Congress in Barcelona but several will be announced later in the year.
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And now the funny part that came right after that:
"Obviously Windows Phone 7 is a platform we've invested tremendously on" and "we'll continue to support that," he said.
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Riiight.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...014195522_htc_exec_on_nokia-microsoft_de.html
 
First shots of official Nokia WP7 concepts:

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engadget said:
Look what we've found! This is the first image you'll see anywhere of the early fruit of Microsoft and Nokia's budding new partnership. We have it on good authority that the technicolor phone on show is an early conceptual device produced by the two companies -- so don't jump to any conclusions about retail hardware just yet. All the same, there's plenty of familiarity to what Nokia is doing with the design -- the shape of these handsets is somewhere between its recent N8 and C7 Symbian devices and there is, as usual for Nokia, a choice of sprightly color schemes. The trio of keys adorning the new concept's bottom give away its Windows Phone 7 ties, but also remind us that the N8 and E7 are highly unlikely to get any WP7 upgrade love. The best part about this whole discovery, however, might be that it confirms Steve Ballmer's assertion that the engineers of both companies have "spent a lot of time on this already." So, who else is excited about owning an Engadget-blue Microkia device?
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/exclusive-nokias-windows-phone-7-concept-revealed/
 
Would.

Now put them on Verizon and make them LTE compatible and release them within six months and we'll be talking. I hate the litany of requirements I have before I'll finally jump on this smartphone bandwagon but SUCH IS LIFE.
 
that's a sweet phone but i really wish there was a "flagship" phone for WP7 in the pipeline. i'm ready to buy a new phone in a month and i really want WP7 but i want a phone that will last me at least 2 years (re: need a front facing camera).

i might have to "settle" for android.
 
cross posting from the other thread:
jagowar said:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/exclusive-nokias-windows-phone-7-concept-revealed/

Not sure how official it is but that might be their concept phone..... and I want one now.
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early conceptual device
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That's the problem.

Does it look good? Yes.
Is it real? No.

That's why I don't care. Show me something I can buy (soon) or at least some hw prototypes and I'll be all "uhhh" and "ahhhh", like the rest. But it clearly shows why anyone would want Nokia hardware with "their" system on it.

And damn, do I miss colors in the mobile space.

Joe said:
that's a sweet phone but i really wish there was a "flagship" phone for WP7 in the pipeline. i'm ready to buy a new phone in a month and i really want WP7 but i want a phone that will last me at least 2 years (re: need a front facing camera).

i might have to "settle" for android.
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We can only hope video calling will be more popular than it was in the last five years.
 
Lacks the standardized button placement in those pics though. Even if that is the camera button on the top like I think it is you don't have an actual volume rocker. Plus design wise IDK looks similar to what's out already. Not the same persay, but not radically different IMO.

Count me in the group that hopes MWC has real info for us WP7 owners, and not just pimp'n out the Nokia announcement along with going back over copy and paste with an assurance that the update is coming "soon" LOL
 
Joe said:
that's a sweet phone but i really wish there was a "flagship" phone for WP7 in the pipeline. i'm ready to buy a new phone in a month and i really want WP7 but i want a phone that will last me at least 2 years (re: need a front facing camera).

i might have to "settle" for android.
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There is, it's called the Omnia 7.

Too bad Microsoft and everyone involved is too dumb to realize it.
 
The Venue Pro could be a flagship if Dell didn't fuck it up. "Hey guys we're making a big deal about replacing our company's BlackBerries with Dell Venue Pros but we don't have enough to give our consumers and the ones we did send don't work".
 
Brettison said:
Lacks the standardized button placement in those pics though. Even if that is the camera button on the top like I think it is you don't have an actual volume rocker. Plus design wise IDK looks similar to what's out already. Not the same persay, but not radically different IMO.

Count me in the group that hopes MWC has real info for us WP7 owners, and not just pimp'n out the Nokia announcement along with going back over copy and paste with an assurance that the update is coming "soon" LOL
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We should ignore it, it's an early concept.

Well, Microsoft said they'd have something to say at MWC regarding the updates (see the Facebook thingy I posted).

Korey said:
There is, it's called the Omnia 7.

Too bad Microsoft and everyone involved is too dumb to realize it.
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I don't see how they're dumb. The Samsung phones clearly are Microsoft's flagship phones and they know that. Every AT&T ad (the premium carrier for the US, btw) shows the Focus and it's also in every product placement I saw (there's also one of the dev phones, but only in early PPs).
 
brotkasten said:
We should ignore it, it's an early concept.

Well, Microsoft said they'd have something to say at MWC regarding the updates (see the Facebook thingy I posted).


I don't see how they're dumb. The Samsung phones clearly are Microsoft's flagship phones and they know that. Every AT&T ad (the premium carrier for the US, btw) shows the Focus and it's also in every product placement I saw (there's also one of the dev phones, but only in early PPs).
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The Omnia 7 looks much better than the Focus. And it's not a flagship phone if you have two of them, they look different, are called different things, and aren't available depending on where you live.
 
Psychotext said:
I really like that Nokia, hope it makes it out of the concept stages fairly intact.
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I do too but I really hope they make the buttons on the front actual buttons and not the touch buttons currently show (and on the focus). There have been a number of times already where I am playing a game and accidentally swipe too far and hit the start button which goes to the homescreen.

Plus a real button could also be used as a second power on button for the device (the focus's tiny button on the side kinda sucks and its the only way to power it on)
 
I felt like being a dick, so I asked the Zune Support on Twitter if they could give me a change log for the software update. It was fun.

@ZuneSupport Can you give me a change log for the last Zune software client update?

I apologize we do not have access to that info. Basically the update is dealing with WP7 things. ^SM

@ZuneSupport Where can I get that info?

There is not public info released at this time. ^SM

@ZuneSupport The update has been out for days and there's still no public info available? Not doing yourself a favor with all the WP secrecy

I can definitely understand why you are frustrated. ^SM

@ZuneSupport That's good. Now, tell me, do I really have to read some blog to get a semi-official change log? http://bit.ly/fdDBEF Really?

I can understand your frustration. I wish I had more info to provide. ^SM
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I love (tech) support.
 
Korey said:
The Omnia 7 looks much better than the Focus. And it's not a flagship phone if you have two of them, they look different, are called different things, and aren't available depending on where you live.
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Eh, flagship Android wasn't available everywhere either. Then again, maybe that's part of why Android is pretty much a non-factor in Canada. I think what you mean is what you want to be the flagship isn't available in the largest country!
 
PG2G said:
The most important thing about a Nokia + WP7 partnership is that it FORCES Microsoft to step their services up outside of the US.

It would be pretty amazing if they had this announcement followed by some major details of the Mango update at MWC. They could turn people around on WP7 in a single week :P
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why do you think that
 
Earl Cazone said:
why do you think that
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Hope spring eternal.

Seriously though, I think if they can succesfully merge the two service as one, it would be a massive leg up for Microsoft in many country the lack presence in.

The problem is with two behemoth of a company how well and how fast will they execute this plan and vision.
 
jagowar said:
I do too but I really hope they make the buttons on the front actual buttons and not the touch buttons currently show (and on the focus). There have been a number of times already where I am playing a game and accidentally swipe too far and hit the start button which goes to the homescreen.

Plus a real button could also be used as a second power on button for the device (the focus's tiny button on the side kinda sucks and its the only way to power it on)
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I do this all the time with my Omnia7 - to me it's quite a large design oversight and bothers me to no end. I always liked the look of that Asus concept that seems to have nice hardware based buttons but since that was a no show the O7 was the pick of the crop for me.
 
Earl Cazone said:
why do you think that
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Because Nokia is strong everywhere but the US. It wouldn't make since to join if the ecosystem was crippled in every market that Nokia was strong in.
 
The Shift said:
I do this all the time with my Omnia7 - to me it's quite a large design oversight and bothers me to no end. I always liked the look of that Asus concept that seems to have nice hardware based buttons but since that was a no show the O7 was the pick of the crop for me.
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I think they are just a tad too sensitive. I am not sure if they can be adjust (don't really know how touch capacitive work, but on the old PS3 you have to keep finger there awhile to turn on and off the system). Before I use the Incipio case for my Focus, when I set the phone down the back button would get activate.

There was time on my Focus that I would hit the buttons while playing game but I have adjust to it and hasn't bother me too much.
 
Yeah, put me down in the "do not like capacitive touch buttons" group. Too many unintentional presses.

Anyway, I showed my wife the Nokia concept phones and she was all over them. Nokia's design team still got it. I've always loved their designs, even their old dumphones looked better than the competition imo.
 
Nokia + Microsoft: An Analysis Of The Strategic Alliance
Paul Thurrott said:
....Sadly, Windows Phone has also been sitting, unchanged, since its October launch. And this is a problem because Windows Phone launched earlier than was ideal, given the unfinished and somewhat buggy state of the product. This wouldn't be a problem, I thought, because Microsoft had pledged to update Windows Phone rapidly, emulating what Apple did during the first year of the iPhone, and to add features and be transparent about its plans, as Apple has done all along. Neither has happened, and my sources tell me that the first mega-patch for Windows Phone has sat undeployed on Microsoft's servers because the software giant's wireless carrier partners--contrary to another unfulfilled promise--have refused to OK it for release.....
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http://www.winsupersite.com/article...ft-An-Analysis-of-the-Strategic-Alliance.aspx
 
Windu said:
Nokia + Microsoft: An Analysis Of The Strategic Alliance
http://www.winsupersite.com/article...ft-An-Analysis-of-the-Strategic-Alliance.aspx
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I know the guy is really down on Windows Phone but I can't help think that he is right and Microsoft is really having hard time with carrier.

If this is true that they are holding the update due to carrier then it is really too bad.

On another note there is rumbling that mango (the update after NoDo) could be coming sooner (I doubth that very much consider how long it taken the first simple cut/paste update). I am for one would really welcome HTML 5 functionality on the phone.

http://wmpoweruser.com/microsoft-developing-next-generation-web-layout-platform-for-windows-phone/
 
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