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[golem]

I remember reading that Wired article back in the thread and totally glossing over this observation:

Jobs had reason to be confident. Apple's hardware engineers had spent about a year working on touchscreen technology for a tablet PC and had convinced him that they could build a similar interface for a phone.

 

[MasterLeePhD]

Since my phone is unbranded and now SIM unlocked (therefore an "open market" phone), I should have recieved the update.

The page clearly states that the update for open market phones is delivered, but still no update!

 

[brotkasten]

except that



Yeah, at this point and time it will be out when it's out, so don't hold your breath. Nothing transparent there.

Are you kidding? This is as transparent as they can get. I'm not defending the slow, phased roll out, but if the carriers don't give them a specific date, there's not much they can do. I'm actually surprised they released this much information.

 

[snap0212]

Are you kidding? This is as transparent as they can get. I'm not defending the slow, phased roll out, but if the carriers don't give them a specific date, there's not much they can do. I'm actually surprised they released this much information.

I think what he means is that they're too afraid to tell us specific dates... Microsoft is probably not happy either. Their March update will not be available for anyone in March, which is embarrassing. I'm not sure they can be excited about that. Microsoft has to change something about the way they deliver updates. It was a horrible experience for the user when pre-NoDo hit, it is a horrible experience now and it will be a horrible experience every time an update hits.

They have to get this stuff out as soon as possible and Microsoft doesn't seem like they're trying to do that. The scheduling process takes ten days and then we are expected to wait several weeks? Come on! I'm pretty sure it'll be May before everyone has the update. No reason to not be excited, though.

As I said earlier: This is just a small piece in a big puzzle that's Microsoft's poor handling of Windows Phone 7. Everything is so slow at Microsoft anyways and seeing how others, who don't work any faster than MS, make the whole progress of updating WP7 even slower, is just sad.

 

[besiktas1]

Maybe because I'm not interested in the update so this delay hasn't bothered me. Also I've stayeed away from this thread so it doesn't make me nagative about my phone (I have to keep it for another 15 months).

I still love my phone, the apps and games are really starting to pick up.

Maybe if there's a delay with the Mango update (multitasking) that's when I'll be upset as well....

 

[snap0212]

Here's an interesting comment by exmsft (posted on Paul Thurrott's blog). He says he has worked for Microsoft (no one can confirm that). You should read the whole thing.

I used to work at Microsoft, and this state of affairs makes me sad – but doesn’t surprise me in the least bit. In fact, knowing this kind of thing would happen is the main reason I left Microsoft. Culturally, Microsoft simply isn’t capable of competing with companies such as Google and Apple anymore. The culture there can be summed up as “CYA” (cover your ass) as opposed to rapid innovation and strong technical skills. It seems like the Windows Phone team is so politically charged right now, everyone’s just trying to keep from getting screwed on their annual reviews or blamed for the latest mess. There simply isn’t any sense of accountability or personal responsibility. Look at Eric’s post. It’s full of vague, “can’t blame me”, cover your ass language with no real information. And this is exactly how people communicate within Microsoft in their status emails. No one gets blamed for anything, no one gets in trouble, everything is fluid, and this attitude of “oops, oh well!” is ingrained in everyone. Ship date slipped? “Oh well!” Had to cut an important feature? “HAHA…so did we! here have a donut!” Can’t complete the feature that your team committed to and our team was desperately depending on? “Oh who cares? I’ll just cut my feature too and let my manager know!”

This is the kind of culture that existed on so many teams I worked on, and in the end I just got sick of it and left. Folks, don’t be fooled by the flashy new UI in Windows Phone – it’s just a hollow shell above a dieing platform. Microsoft got lucky to have a few great designers who built Metro for WM7, but luck doesn’t last forever (I’m pretty sure those designers also got fed up and have probably left by now). Ultimately you have to back a great product with innovation.

There is no innovation happening at Microsoft. I remember how innovation was driven at Microsoft when I worked there. Every few months the team’s GM would tell the managers below him to organize an “innovation day” (presumably to show his leaders that he was doing something useful). So the middle managers would tell their minions to prepare 5-minute speeches about an imaginary, innovative new feature for 5 years in the future. Now this CAN’T under any circumstances be something *useful* or what customers need right now…or you would be laughed at! It had to be some crazy sci-fi thing so far into the future that people just go wtf. Extra credit for stuff that has no logical way of ever being implemented. Everyone who attended these meetings knew that nothing would come out of them, so people basically started thinking about them the night before. Then they played their part, did a little dog and pony show, and went back to their jobs. Those presentations would never be discussed again until said GM needed some more ammo for his VP.

Ask yourself — is this how Google or Apple work? Every revision of iOS and Android evolves the platforms in ways people actually use! For example, Apple recently added improvements for AirPlay streaming, which is something people can make practical use of everyday on their Apple TVs. Google improves maps, adds Priority Inbox to Gmail, and so much stuff that makes perfect sense…it’s what people WANT! Microsoft, on the other hand, is always trying to play catch up, and even has trouble doing that with simple crap like copy and paste! The culture at Microsoft simply doesn’t allow simple or innovative ideas to come to fruition – it’s all about covering your ass, getting promoted, gloating over the smallest wins, and never taking responsibility for failure.

The only places Microsoft is going to succeed for now are where they have their monopolies. Anything that has an innovative competitor like Google, Apple, Mozilla, Salesforce, etc – Microsoft is destined to fail, unless the internal culture changes radically.

Take it from me, a 5 year Microsoft veteran, all the innovation is happening elsewhere. By betting on Windows Phone, you’re keeping yourself from enjoying all the great innovation that’s happening on the Android and iOS side. For a sampling of what you’re missing, take a look at this article from today’s WSJ: http://on.wsj.com/gTSOK9. Cut your losses with Windows Phone now, and get back to enjoying a beautiful, cutting edge smartphone experience.

-exmsft

http://windowsphonesecrets.com/2011...one-update-only-going-out-to-unlocked-phones/

 

[Massa]

Here's an interesting comment by exmsft (posted on Paul Thurrott's blog). He says he has worked for Microsoft (no one can confirm that). You should read the whole thing.



http://windowsphonesecrets.com/2011...one-update-only-going-out-to-unlocked-phones/

"By betting on Windows Phone, you’re keeping yourself from enjoying all the great innovation that’s happening on the Android and iOS side. For a sampling of what you’re missing, take a look at this article from today’s WSJ:"

Come on now.

 

[Prine]

Yeah he sounds bitter, im loving Windows 7 and i have access to Andriod and iOS devices, he comes off as childish and butthurt.

 

[Blackhead]

I remember reading that Wired article back in the thread and totally glossing over this observation:

Jobs had reason to be confident. Apple's hardware engineers had spent about a year working on touchscreen technology for a tablet PC and had convinced him that they could build a similar interface for a phone.

hmm... In an interview last year, Jobs said he told the engineers that the interface would be perfect for a phone...

Since my phone is unbranded and now SIM unlocked (therefore an "open market" phone), I should have recieved the update.

The page clearly states that the update for open market phones is delivered, but still no update!

Which phone is that?

 

[brotkasten]

Since my phone is unbranded and now SIM unlocked (therefore an "open market" phone), I should have recieved the update.

The page clearly states that the update for open market phones is delivered, but still no update!

Same problem here. What still baffles me is the phased roll out for unbranded devices. The update has been tested to death with them, just press the unleash the kraken! button and be done with it. I'm getting tired of this message.

Here's an interesting comment by exmsft (posted on Paul Thurrott's blog). He says he has worked for Microsoft (no one can confirm that). You should read the whole thing.

http://windowsphonesecrets.com/2011...one-update-only-going-out-to-unlocked-phones/

You don't have to work for Microsoft to know any of this. Just follow the news around MS and listen to the keynotes and podcasts. They're telling you how great the stuff is, how awesome it will be in the future and if something goes wrong, then it's all "yeah, we know, but we're trying so hard!" and please excuse the hosts of this podcast now, because they have meetings.

Which phone is that?

Unbranded LG Optimus 7 here. Funny thing is that the Optimus 7 was one of the first devices to get NoDo via Zune.

That's a fact. Apple released iOS 4.2 bug fixes, 4.3 and is going to release 4.3.1 soon. All that before everyone gets that minor WP7 update.

According to BGR's source, iOS 4.3.1 remains on schedule for a release within one to two weeks.

http://www.neowin.net/news/ios-431-confirmed-goes-hands-on

 

[VanMardigan]

One of the most frustrating parts of the last podcast was their insistence that everyone played by the same rules when it came to the carriers. This is such an obvious lie that it is actually insulting. Apple doesn't play by the same rules.

I'm on AT&T, I'm not getting the March update in March. I've already switched phones but that doesn't solve all my problems. Android is still almost as buggy as wp7. There really is one superior player in the space, and Microsoft is too slow to ever catch up.

 

[thirty]

Yeah I've been unhappy about the T-mobile USA/ATT thing and been thinking about not only moving to a different carrier but moving to a different platform but I don't think I can step away from Zune. The Android music player is horrible and has improved so little that IMO even the Blackberry music player is a better option. Then there's Apple but I refuse to use iTunes on PC.

As to the nodo update, I'm with the "I don't care" camp. I'm more worried about the mango update not making 2011.

 

[snap0212]

"By betting on Windows Phone, you’re keeping yourself from enjoying all the great innovation that’s happening on the Android and iOS side. For a sampling of what you’re missing, take a look at this article from today’s WSJ:"

Come on now.

He's 100% right, though. If you want innovation, you have to go somewhere else. How has Microsoft innovated the Windows Phone 7 platform since they launched it? There's just nothing happening and no one wants to be responsible for the failure. While Android and iOS are evolving over time, Microsoft is just excited. Microsoft is pretty much always excited about the bright future of Windows Phone 7 while their competitors are actually delivering something. Microsoft will be talking about how great the Mango update is going to be. HTML5 and Twitter integration will be celebrated the whole year until the update ships. Apple, on the other hand, has HTML5 already and will vastly improve it (iPhone 5) and already has a non-laggy Twitter client.

 

[Vibram6finger]

Seems like they can totally sidestep the carriers and just offer the update via the zune software. I wish they would just blip in a little reminder and then make it up to the user.

 

[JaggedSac]

Here's an interesting comment by exmsft (posted on Paul Thurrott's blog). He says he has worked for Microsoft (no one can confirm that). You should read the whole thing.



http://windowsphonesecrets.com/2011...one-update-only-going-out-to-unlocked-phones/

lol, I could have written that.

He's 100% right, though. If you want innovation, you have to go somewhere else. How has Microsoft innovated the Windows Phone 7 platform since they launched it? There's just nothing happening and no one wants to be responsible for the failure. While Android and iOS are evolving over time, Microsoft is just excited. Microsoft is pretty much always excited about the bright future of Windows Phone 7 while their competitors are actually delivering something. Microsoft will be talking about how great the Mango update is going to be. HTML5 and Twitter integration will be celebrated the whole year until the update ships. Apple, on the other hand, has HTML5 already and will vastly improve it (iPhone 5) and already has a non-laggy Twitter client.

http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/37021/?ref=rss&a=f

 

[brotkasten]

Seems like they can totally sidestep the carriers and just offer the update via the zune software. I wish they would just blip in a little reminder and then make it up to the user.

Microsoft is in control of the update process. Rafael Rivera explained the process once:

As you may know, there are two ways to determine if an update is available. Your phone can either notify you via its internal, scheduled check (Settings –> Phone Update) or you can request an immediate status via the Zune client (Settings –> Phone –> Update). In both cases, the phone (not the Zune software) securely communicates with the familiar Microsoft Update services (update.microsoft.com) via the Windows Update Services protocol. (It’s cute the Zune software tells the phone to check for updates, which it does… by looping back through the Zune pass-through connection.) In order, the phone…

1. … checks for Microsoft Update (MU) services location, if cached location is stale
2. … gets the configuration of MU [details]
3. … gets a token for MU service communication, if one isn’t cached [details]
4. … syncs update information with MU [details]

Of note is the high volatility of the information received from MU when syncing in step 4. On February 26, for example, the data returned was chock full of “applicability rules”, which are used to simply determine if an update should be installed, like such:

1 <IsInstalled>
2 <Not>
3 <CspQuery LocUri="./DevInfo/Man" Comparison="EqualTo" Value="SAMSUNG"/>
4 </Not>
5 </IsInstalled>

...

http://www.withinwindows.com/2011/03/06/notes-on-windows-phone-7-update-process-thus-far/

Instead of doing this slow roll out, they're could totally just ship it all at once for the unbranded phones. I get that they want to avoid another PR disaster (Feb update/SAM phones), but this is not helping.

lol, I could have written that.

http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/37021/?ref=rss&a=f

Microsoft Research is great and they're working on awesome stuff, but they have little to do with end consumer products.

Do not get your hopes up when Zune sometimes takes longer to check for updates! That happens when someone else downloads #nodo for #wp7.

Every. Single. Time. sigh

 

[kazinova]

Has anyone linked someone from the WP7 team to this thread. I think they need to see the effects these update woes have on their biggest supporters. They get the complaints on Twitter and Facebook and I'm sure the PR people handle all the responses and don't pass on the sentiment.

They need to sate us soon. I'm the person people ask for phone recommendations at work and home. And right now I can't recommend a WP7 device unless they already like XBL or Zune (which is rare). I wonder if the WP team would get their shit together if they saw all of us slowly losing our passion for the platform as this "compelling update" that was once "coming soon" barely limps accross the finish line at the 6 MONTH MARK!

 

[mrklaw]

He's 100% right, though. If you want innovation, you have to go somewhere else. How has Microsoft innovated the Windows Phone 7 platform since they launched it? There's just nothing happening and no one wants to be responsible for the failure. While Android and iOS are evolving over time, Microsoft is just excited. Microsoft is pretty much always excited about the bright future of Windows Phone 7 while their competitors are actually delivering something. Microsoft will be talking about how great the Mango update is going to be. HTML5 and Twitter integration will be celebrated the whole year until the update ships. Apple, on the other hand, has HTML5 already and will vastly improve it (iPhone 5) and already has a non-laggy Twitter client.

how long since they launched it? How long from the original Iphone launch to updated software? Don't they only update once a year?

 

[giga]

how long since they launched it? How long from the original Iphone launch to updated software? Don't they only update once a year?

WP7 came out last November.

As for iPhone OS' initial launch:

 

[numble]

how long since they launched it? How long from the original Iphone launch to updated software? Don't they only update once a year?

iPhone has had 3 major updates since 4.0, besides minor bug fixes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_version_history

 

[Raistlin]

Wtf. MS is now claiming they never made any guarantees about updates.

It could end up being what you buy is what you get? As with most, I bought the phone with the knowledge it would be updated. If I'm gonna be stuck with rev 1 for 2 years, there will be hell to pay

 

[Vanillalite]

Wtf. MS is now claiming they never made any guarantees about updates.

It could end up being what you buy is what you get? As with most, I bought the phone with the knowledge it would be updated. If I'm gonna be stuck with rev 1 for 2 years, there will be hell to pay

Where are you hearing you might be stuck with what you get?

(lol they can't fix the samsung problem?)

 

[Raistlin]

I'd post the link but I can't copy&paste. Irony

it's making the rounds on numerous tech sites right now

 

[Zerokku]

Wtf. MS is now claiming they never made any guarantees about updates.

It could end up being what you buy is what you get? As with most, I bought the phone with the knowledge it would be updated. If I'm gonna be stuck with rev 1 for 2 years, there will be hell to pay

And assuming we see a source on this, it confirms it. Getting an iPhone in June and getting away from this piece of shit platform. This whole thing has really soured me on MS overall.

 

[sneaky77]

Wtf. MS is now claiming they never made any guarantees about updates.

You should never buy something because you think a future update will fix what you bought, unless is a bug.

MS will update the OS, but is not like is on your contract when you buy the phone, thats what they are referring to.

 

[Zerokku]

You should never buy something because you think a future update will fix what you bought, unless is a bug.

MS will update the OS, but is not like is on your contract when you buy the phone, thats what they are referring to.

Im taking it more along the lines of, we can't be guaranteed updates, as in we could possibly see the exact same kind of fragmentation that Android has to deal with.

 

[ElNino]

Wtf. MS is now claiming they never made any guarantees about updates.

It could end up being what you buy is what you get? As with most, I bought the phone with the knowledge it would be updated. If I'm gonna be stuck with rev 1 for 2 years, there will be hell to pay

You shouldn't have bought a platform based on the hope it will be updated to something you really want.

I, as with most , bought the phone with the knowledge of what it does now. I could have bought an iPhone/Android/BB if I wanted to, but I chose to go with WP7 and so far I'm pleased with what I have.

 

[VanMardigan]

I'm mot seeing anything like that. If you can't paste a link, at least name a site I can go to in order to find MS talking about never promising updates.

 

[Vanillalite]

You shouldn't have bought a platform based on the hope it will be updated to something you really want.

I, as with most , bought the phone with the knowledge of what it does now. I could have bought an iPhone/Android/BB if I wanted to, but I chose to go with WP7 and so far I'm pleased with what I have.

My phone doesn't do what it suppose to though which is the problem. I got the marketplace/zune crash again today.

 

[Earl Cazone]

The panic here is ridicolous. Just wait and see if you get the update. and i bet earlier or later you will and that is what counts. if not, microsoft clearly underdelivered and deserve to bomb with WP7. But they know the best that they cant fail here. so relax and wait for the update to roll in

 

[ElNino]

My phone doesn't do what it suppose to though which is the problem. I got the marketplace/zune crash again today.

Sure, there is a bug in the Marketplace that causes it to crash. That's fine and they have a fix for that coming (yes, I agree it should have been quicker).

For me, having to reboot my phone a few times for the bug is only mildly annoying considering how quickly it reboots compared to my BB.

 

[clav]

Sprint will be having a no rebate period from: 3/27 - 4/16 on any phone.

Should I get the Arrive (HD7) or the Nexus S 4G?

Hm. Based on the commotion that people here are barking about the NoDo no update, I don't know if I want to upgrade my current phone.

Question: If I hate touchscreen keyboards including the iPhone's, will I hate WP7's implementation?

 

[dream]

I'm mot seeing anything like that. If you can't paste a link, at least name a site I can go to in order to find MS talking about never promising updates.

I think it might be from a bit of dialogue ArsTechnica's DrPizza had with WP7's support twitter.

@WinPhoneSupport Is there any guarantee that the carriers will authorize the update before the next one is released?

@DrPizza We can't guarantee anything. ^EB

 

[Vanillalite]

Sure, there is a bug in the Marketplace that causes it to crash. That's fine and they have a fix for that coming (yes, I agree it should have been quicker).

For me, having to reboot my phone a few times for the bug is only mildly annoying considering how quickly it reboots compared to my BB.

Do they? The whole point of the post a few back was they have a fix, but it might not be coming to everyone because supposedly the new info circulating the web is we aren't guaranteed a fix. I personally just read about this on arstechnica.

 

[PG2G]

Suggesting that carriers will block updates forever is a bit extreme. At the very worst it will be no worse than Android.

Besides, the correct answer to 99% of questions starting with "Can you guarantee" should be no. Don't read so much into some answer from customer support.

 

[Zerokku]

Suggesting that carriers will block updates forever is a bit extreme. At the very worst it will be no worse than Android.

Thats not particularly encouraging for those on Samsung phones

 

[ElNino]

Do they? The whole point of the post a few back was they have a fix, but it might not be coming to everyone because supposedly the new info circulating the web is we aren't guaranteed a fix. I personally just read about this on arstechnica.

Of course you will get it. Every carrier has to test each of their phones on their network. Since every phone has different manufacturer firmware (ie. Samsung, HTC, LG, etc), they all need to test it and some are quicker than others.

I would like to point out that in the Focus' case, it certainly appears that Samsung has loaded them with different firmware versions outside of what MS has supplied and that those different firmware versions appear to be causing issues with the first update.

 

[Raistlin]

And assuming we see a source on this, it confirms it. Getting an iPhone in June and getting away from this piece of shit platform. This whole thing has really soured me on MS overall.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/...rantee-anything/12077?tag=mantle_skin;content

I still think the updates will make it, this seems more like a CYA move. I just wonder if they misspoke previously on the subject, or their licensing/contracts weren't as iron-clad as they assumed and they're getting some resistance.

You should never buy something because you think a future update will fix what you bought, unless is a bug.

MS will update the OS, but is not like is on your contract when you buy the phone, thats what they are referring to.

Well actually NoDo does have numerous bug fixes. That said, when are bug fixes even guaranteed? Look at the Nexus One, or hell every other part of the tech industry.

That's not really the point here - what your saying is a generalization that doesn't apply to all situations. Certainly I wouldn't go in buying a device with the hope that features it doesn't have will magically appear one day - if there's no indication it will happen. This isn't that sort of situation though.

It's a long thread, but you need to go back and read what the rhetoric has been from MS, and now how it's changed. In statements leading up to and shortly after launch, very specific features were discussed. More importantly, how those features would get updated was also discussed. Initially there was some question about whether or not updates could be mandated. While they were gun-shy to state it explicitly, it seemed to be the case. A little while later they clarified that while an individual update could not be forced, no more than one could be skipped. So once a second update hit, the prior and the current would have to hit.

Now they are potentially changing their tune. As I said hopefully this is just a CYA due to some wiggle room they didn't realize was there, but the expectation is they will still hit and the timing is the only question. The point though, this wasn't a situation were people went in blind simply hoping stuff would come that brings the OS up to a similar feature-set as the competition. MS went out of it's way to explain fragmentation wasn't going to occur (or at least not longterm fragmentation), and also listed very specific features that were not just in development (multi-tasking, IE9), but also features that were currently in testing and will definitely see release once all the bugs are ironed out (copy&paste, etc).

The panic here is ridicolous. Just wait and see if you get the update.

Look at my post history in this thread. I haven't been panicked. Many have been bitching, particularly those that have a Samsung Focus like me, but I stayed out of the ranting because I was under the impression it was simply a delay.

Now however MS's rhetoric has changed. Stating nothing is guaranteed - out of nowhere - pretty much drops a nuke on the situation. With this new news, things have changed dramatically. As I've said I'm hoping it's just a CYA and am still hoping to see the update, but to pretend there isn't new cause for concern is the thing that's ridiculous.

 

[Vanillalite]

Of course you will get it. Every carrier has to test each of their phones on their network. Since every phone has different manufacturer firmware (ie. Samsung, HTC, LG, etc), they all need to test it and some are quicker than others.

I would like to point out that in the Focus' case, it certainly appears that Samsung has loaded them with different firmware versions outside of what MS has supplied and that those different firmware versions appear to be causing issues with the first update.

LoL... If you ever need a job I'm sure MS PR would love you as that sounds exactly like generic MS PR speak as of late.

 

[antiquegamer]

I bought Windows Phone because I was expecting the added features and bug fix to be forth coming. If this was not the case then I would have gone with Android or feature phone instead. To say people buying smartphone platform and shouldn't expect anymore is stupid to say the least. Everyone knew the 1.0 of Windows Phone 7 was incomplete, even Microsoft acknowledge as such and that "several" updates will be coming.

You guys can be in denial all you want, as I said I am past that stage and move on. Next phone will be iPhone 5, too bad that my Apple-centric brother will have the last laugh and tell me I told you so to stay away from Microsoft product.

Here is Arstechnica article (suprisingly not bashing Microsoft as much as they usually do)

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/ne...ate-schedule-arrives-stinks-for-att-users.ars

The US table is less happy. Sprint's new HTC Arrive is the standout; as a CDMA handset it ships with NoDo already, as NoDo is mandatory for CDMA support. T-Mobile US' two handsets, the HTC HD7 and the Dell Venue Pro, are both "scheduling," so should get the update within ten days. But AT&T? Both NoDo and pre-NoDo are stuck in "Testing," for every model the company sells.

The American table is also a little mysteriously constructed. While the "rest-of-world" table is broken down according to country and operator, the US table is split according to country (even though the entire page is applicable to the US and the US alone) and phone model. The mobile operator isn't mentioned at all, which feels like a rather feeble attempt to spare AT&T's blushes.

As an added bonus, as Microsoft's official Windows Phone 7 support Twitter account admitted earlier today, there's no guarantee that the firmware will ever leave the "testing" state. Updates will be cumulative, but if a network operator never signs off on the testing, that cumulative nature counts for nothing, and it means that in practice carriers can indeed block updates forever.

I can bet you that Mango will never come this year for people with current phone. You might not care about this update and I personally don't care for cut and paste (might be handy sometimes such as posting above article and don't have to run to my computer or iPad (how ironic). The point was we or at least I was hoping Microsoft would do the right thing for the platform.

 

[Poindexter]

oh well. i get my update soon according to that chart. HD7. W00t!!!

 

[Blackhead]

I feel a little bad for now hoping that Microsoft drives away the early adopters so I can pick up a Samsung Focus for cheap. I'd have loved to use a WP7 device as my primary phone but Microsoft abandoned the tethering feature and bribed the hacking community into irrelevance. I wouldn't mind using a WP7 as an iPod Touch—for an iPod Touch price. Y'all should please put your Samsung Focus on Craiglists for less than $200. (I can't even find a HD2 for that price :/ )

 

[Raistlin]

I feel a little bad for now hoping that Microsoft drives away the early adopters so I can pick up a Samsung Focus for cheap. I'd have loved to use a WP7 device as my primary phone but Microsoft abandoned the tethering feature and bribed the hacking community into irrelevance. I wouldn't mind using a WP7 as an iPod Touch—for an iPod Touch price. Y'all should please put your Samsung Focus on Craiglists for less than $200. (I can't even find a HD2 for that price :/ )

Hell, I paid $50 for my Focus.

 

[antiquegamer]

I feel a little bad for now hoping that Microsoft drives away the early adopters so I can pick up a Samsung Focus for cheap. I'd have loved to use a WP7 device as my primary phone but Microsoft abandoned the tethering feature and bribed the hacking community into irrelevance. I wouldn't mind using a WP7 as an iPod Touch—for an iPod Touch price. Y'all should please put your Samsung Focus on Craiglists for less than $200. (I can't even find a HD2 for that price :/ )

I never care much for jailbreaking and hacking but now I am sorry that the Chevron team was pretty much "paid off" by Microsoft.

 

[clav]

This WP7 update and Android fragmentation updates wouldn't be a problem if the cell phone buying process were reversed.

Rather than choosing the carrier first, buyers would choose a phone first and then a compatible carrier. That way, updates can bypass the carrier block bullshit and go to the device when the manufacturer wanted to push it.

If anything, this scenario shows the incompetence of wireless companies, especially carriers like AT&T on their part to do anything in pushing updates.

 

[SlaughterX]

So I am guessing the update for the HD7 still isn't ready, right? What features/improvements does the update do anyway? Also is there any way I can create a wi-fi hotspot with my phone?

 

[Earl Cazone]

So I am guessing the update for the HD7 still isn't ready, right? What features/improvements does the update do anyway? Also is there any way I can create a wi-fi hotspot with my phone?

copy/paste, bugfies, faster app loading and performance

 

[numble]

I feel a little bad for now hoping that Microsoft drives away the early adopters so I can pick up a Samsung Focus for cheap. I'd have loved to use a WP7 device as my primary phone but Microsoft abandoned the tethering feature and bribed the hacking community into irrelevance. I wouldn't mind using a WP7 as an iPod Touch—for an iPod Touch price. Y'all should please put your Samsung Focus on Craiglists for less than $200. (I can't even find a HD2 for that price :/ )

Were they really bribed? I thought MS said they were going to be friendly to homebrew?

 

[Cj70]

I don't see copy + paste as a dealbreaker for me even though it would be nice. My main issue with this fiasco is it raises doubts in my mind as to if Microsoft will ever release bug fixes in a timely manner. If a security problem is found will it take 6 months for a patch to be rolled out? Also I am dismayed that bugs like the camera default settings haven't been talked about or fixed by Microsoft. Still no official messenger yet either and I want better xbl integration. Seems daft that they don't have a live tile to show online friends or messages.

I love my omnia7 but the MS team have burned any goodwill towards them and I have serious concerns going forward regarding bug fixes, communication and internal politics.

 

[PG2G]

Were they really bribed? I thought MS said they were going to be friendly to homebrew?

They gave them tshirts, lol.