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giga said:
The MSM7x30? The only upgrade is a slightly better gpu. It's a chip from Q2 2010.
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The MSM7x30 is slightly faster than the old QSD and the MSM8x55 ships with up to 1.4 GHz, like you have in the Flyer. Not a dual-core, but still better.
VanMardigan said:
Qualcomm listed WP7 as supporting their dual core processor. Hopefully we see that in the fall.
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I still don't think that WP supports dual-cores right now. It runs the ancient CE6 R3 kernel and that one doesn't have SMP support.
 
http://www.wpsauce.com/2011/06/deep-diving-into-mango-rom-reveals-more.html

My favs from the article
AppChecker
- AppChecker is the module which tells you “This app is required to open this type of file”. There’s a line “To join the meeting, you need Microsoft Lync Mobile. Install it now from Marketplace?” Yes, Lync is definitely coming to WP7. Maybe in the form of an app instead of being integrated to the OS.


Battery saving mode
- This has been mentioned before. Mango brings battery saving mode. The phone could go into power saving mode every time the battery life is lower than a certain percentage. In this mode the phone will stop automatically syncing emails, and will shut down all apps running in the background. The phone will come out of this mode on its own when it’s plugged.

Xbox Live

Hold tight, this is the big thing. First, you will be able to share your Xbox Live profile to Facebook.
- In the UI file of GameRes.dll: “Play a game, and invite a friend to play it with you.” Yes, multiplayer is coming to WP7. But hold tight a bit, there’s more.
- Also in the UI file of GameRes.dll: “Listen to this message on your Xbox 360”, “Read this message on your Xbox 360”. This must be more advanced cross-platforming. If you get messages through Xbox Live and feel the small screen is way too uninteresting to read on, turn to your faithful TV.
- “Invite you to a voice chat”, “Invite you to an Xbox Live party!” If I fancy it right, these fragments mean that both voice chat and virtual online party are coming to WP7 also. Sweeeet!

Phone general

- It looks like touch targets (aka virtual keys) for both QWERTY and 12-keys could be resized in system settings. Might be more fat-finger-friendly. The best virtual keyboard out there made even better.
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I hope MS lets you change the mms settings so I can finally get picture messages.
 
So has there been any mention of multiplayer gaming for Xbox Live games? I read "this is the big one first, sit tight" above and I thought it was referring to XBL multiplayer. Instead it's sharing your profile on FB. WTF? How is that exciting?
 
brotkasten said:
I still don't think that WP supports dual-cores right now. It runs the ancient CE6 R3 kernel and that one doesn't have SMP support.
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I know CE7 isn't fully complete yet, but will WP7 switch to it eventually?
 
VanMardigan said:
So has there been any mention of multiplayer gaming for Xbox Live games?
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They didn't really announce it, but they mentioned it. Some devs already demoed it, I think

Improved game request notifications: In Mango, you’ll receive notifications for multiplayer game or turn requests and can track them in the Requests section of the Games Hub.
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http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...me-what-s-new-in-the-games-hub-for-mango.aspx

NotTarts said:
I know CE7 isn't fully complete yet, but will WP7 switch to it eventually?
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CE7 went RTM earlier this year, but rumors are that WP8 will be based on the Windows 8 ARM kernel, not CE7.
 
giga said:
Web page loading is directly connected to the processor. IE could really benefit from a faster chip.
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iPad 2 still loads pages significantly slower than what you are used to on a desktop. It'll be a while before we can use mobile browsers in the same way as the desktop
 
giga said:
The MSM7x30? The only upgrade is a slightly better gpu. It's a chip from Q2 2010.
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It's an understatement to call it 'slightly better' as it more than doubles the 200's performance.

Of course the most recent Adreno 220 is twice as fast as the 205, but a 205 should be a noticeable improvement over a 200.
 
brotkasten said:
The MSM7x30 is slightly faster than the old QSD and the MSM8x55 ships with up to 1.4 GHz, like you have in the Flyer. Not a dual-core, but still better.

I still don't think that WP supports dual-cores right now. It runs the ancient CE6 R3 kernel and that one doesn't have SMP support.
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Slightly faster in graphics processing yes, but they both still use a Scorpion core. The second generation MSM7x30 CPU is just on a smaller process (45nm instead of 65nm) and down clocked from 1ghz to 800mhz.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3967/the-tmobile-g2-preview/4

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip)#Current_.26_Future_Specifications

The Flyer doesn't have an MSM. Since it's a tablet that doesn't need radios, it ships with an APQ.

venne said:
It's an understatement to call it 'slightly better' as it more than doubles the 200's performance.

Of course the most recent Adreno 220 is twice as fast as the 205, but a 205 should be a noticeable improvement over a 200.
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Ah yeah. Forgot how shit the 200 was.
 
giga said:
Slightly faster in graphics processing yes, but they both still use a Scorpion core. The second generation MSM7x30 CPU is just on a smaller process (45nm instead of 65nm) and down clocked from 1ghz to 800mhz.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3967/the-tmobile-g2-preview/4

The Flyer doesn't have an MSM. Since it's a tablet that doesn't need radios, it ships with an APQ.
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Isn't the GPU the most important part of webpage rendering in WP7, though?
 
NotTarts said:
Isn't the GPU the most important part of webpage rendering in WP7, though?
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For webpage loading speed, no. GPU acceleration comes after the page has loaded and affects the speed at which text, graphics, or animation perform on the page.
 
giga said:
Slightly faster in graphics processing yes, but they both still use a Scorpion core. The second generation MSM7x30 CPU is just on a smaller process (45nm instead of 65nm) and down clocked from 1ghz to 800mhz.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3967/the-tmobile-g2-preview/4

http://i.imgur.com/byCW5.png[IMG]

The Flyer doesn't have an MSM. Since it's a tablet that doesn't need radios, it ships with an APQ.[/QUOTE]
Fine, but the MSM8x55 is still supported by Mango. The 7x30 won't be the only CPU in the new phones.

[IMG]http://666kb.com/i/bul4eu5k7g45483sh.jpg
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giga said:
For webpage loading speed, no. GPU acceleration comes after the page has loaded and affects the speed at which text, graphics, or animation perform on the page.
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Oh, you mean the speed at which HTML is interpreted. Sorry, it sounded like you were saying that the CPU speed affected the network speed, which didn't really make much sense :P
 
so who's going to upgrade from their current phone to a new mango phone? i have an HD7 and i'm not going to want anything smaller than a 4.3" phone now. in fact, i wanna go bigger and probably won't upgrade unless there's a phone with a s-amoled+ 4.5" screen.
 
Someone released a Mango ROM and the blogger at WP Sauce took it apart. He found some interesting things, but you should be aware that none of those things have to be in the final Mango release. Just like visual voicemail settings were in the registry of the RTM release, but the feature wasn't there yet.

People Hub
- Facebook integration will go even deeper. The People Hub will also show how many Likes an update has got.
- Found traces of Facebook check-in.
- People Hub will inform you when you are mentioned by some friend.

Battery saving mode
- This has been mentioned before. Mango brings battery saving mode. The phone could go into power saving mode every time the battery life is lower than a certain percentage. In this mode the phone will stop automatically syncing emails, and will shut down all apps running in the background. The phone will come out of this mode on its own when it’s plugged.

Messaging
- Aside from everything we’ve been hearing about all the time, apparently users can also send “nudge” (as in Live Messenger) to friends, from phone.
- You can invite other IM friends to make a multi-party conversation.

Xbox Live
- Hold tight, this is the big thing. First, you will be able to share your Xbox Live profile to Facebook.
- In the UI file of GameRes.dll: “Play a game, and invite a friend to play it with you.” Yes, multiplayer is coming to WP7. But hold tight a bit, there’s more.
- Also in the UI file of GameRes.dll: “Listen to this message on your Xbox 360”, “Read this message on your Xbox 360”. This must be more advanced cross-platforming. If you get messages through Xbox Live and feel the small screen is way too uninteresting to read on, turn to your faithful TV.
- “Invite you to a voice chat”, “Invite you to an Xbox Live party!” If I fancy it right, these fragments mean that both voice chat and virtual online party are coming to WP7 also. Sweeeet!

Connectivity
- Apparently users could manually set IP address, subnet mask, default gateway, DNS and proxy for LAN connections.
- Apparently Mango supports these kind of Bluetooth devices: audio device, camera, computer, display, headset, keyboard/mouse, PDA, phone, printer, scanner, accessory, laptop, handheld, car. Some of these category named do not make much sense or conflict with one another, but well, that’s what the UI file says…
- Still no VPN support.

Phone general
- “This ringtone will be deleted from your phone, but not from your computer if you have it saved there.” “No custom ringtone, get more”. From the look of it, custom ringtones are coming with Mango indeed, and it might be done through Zune (PC).
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http://www.wpsauce.com/2011/06/deep-diving-into-mango-rom-reveals-more.html
 
I'm pretty happy with my Omnia 7, so I'll probably wait until 3rd gen/Windows 8 phones. Not really sure what more I'd want out of the phone once it gets the Mango update. I guess more space would be nice, I got the 16GB version which I manage with, but would love 32GB or 64GB.
 
MCD said:
Not upgrading till gen 3.
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Ditto...

1) I'm fine with my current phone... my focus already has a super amoled screen so I feel like I'm semi cutting edge (if I had a general old lcd I'd want to upgrade more).

2) Hardware acceleration for the OS makes everything snappy so I'm leveraging more of my current under the hood hardware to make things snappy. So at least for now I don't feel the need for a hardware bump (unless mango just goes iPhone 3g on your phone). So far we've seen previews on my current hand set and it seems fine. So I'm good. Only thing that would be an improvement would be games (which I haven't bought any yet anyways).

3) My biggest upgrade want as always would just be a resolution bump. I don't see that happening to something really drastically better than what I have now until gen 3. Also that's when I'd also feel the need for better hardware under the hood with more pixels being pushed

4) I'm under contract for 2 years so I don't feel like paying the off contract price for a smaller(ish) upgrade

5) LTE isn't a big deal to me. I'm on the 200 meg AT&T plan, and most months use sub 100 megs. I just use wifi everywhere so I'll wait it out until LTE really gets a foothold in late 2012.
 
thirty said:
so who's going to upgrade from their current phone to a new mango phone? i have an HD7 and i'm not going to want anything smaller than a 4.3" phone now. in fact, i wanna go bigger and probably won't upgrade unless there's a phone with a s-amoled+ 4.5" screen.
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I'm your opposite; I want to upgrade but only for a smaller phone. I had the Samsung Focus first, and now have the LG Optimus 7. I want a 3.5" or even a 3.3" screen. Since we won't be getting an increased resolution, I'll settle for a pixel density bump. If we don't get any smaller models then I'll switch to the thinnest/lightest WP7 phone available (that's the Samsung Focus right now).
 
MCD said:
Not upgrading till gen 3.
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I love my Focus, enough to not "upgrade" to a phone that doesn't have an SAMOLED or equivalent, but I'm not satisfied with it's battery life, plus my girlfriend is moving out of state, making a front-facing camera even more important. Hope we get an official announcement on that soon.
 
Mr. Snrub said:
I love my Focus, enough to not "upgrade" to a phone that doesn't have an SAMOLED or equivalent, but I'm not satisfied with it's battery life, plus my girlfriend is moving out of state, making a front-facing camera even more important. Hope we get an official announcement on that soon.
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I'm sure the Focus II will have a front facing camera and Super Amoled Plus
 
Tomcat said:
http://wmpoweruser.com/mango-will-b...ps-to-access-registry-other-native-resources/

not a good move
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bummer. i thought this was going to be like HP and webOS (with the caveat that i'd have to pay chevron for the privilege) but this new restriction makes it kinda pointless.

giga said:
I'm ok with that. Keeping UX clean is priority. It'll just be like having an alternate way to install Marketplace apps without an approval process for content restrictions.
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Why?
 
Greyface said:
Why?
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Why what? Allowing full system access has its pros and cons. Microsoft wants to keep their security model in place and I can perfectly understand why given precedent in other operating systems.

Security combined with reliability, performance, and battery life are all things they don't want compromised. And that's what I can understand from my perspective.
 
giga said:
Why what? Allowing full system access has its pros and cons. Microsoft wants to keep their security model in place and I can perfectly understand why given precedent in other operating systems.

Security combined with reliability, performance, and battery life are all things they don't want compromised. And that's what I can understand from my perspective.
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Why is the keeping the UX 'clean' a priority when the users in this case are homebrewers, precisely the people who want to mess around with the system and are willing to try out buggy and untested mods for that reason?

Which precedent are you referring too? Palm/HP sanctioned homebrewing on their devices, have none of these restrictions Microsoft is supposed to be adding, and gets along fine.

edit: sorry, i should be clear, I agree with you about restricting third party apps just not homebrew ones, i think we were talking about different things there.

2nd edit: if Microsoft is restricting apps from the file system, are they offering something else in its place?
 
Greyface said:
Why is the keeping the UX 'clean' a priority when the users in this case are homebrewers, precisely the people who want to mess around with the system and are willing to try out buggy and untested mods for that reason?

Which precedent are you referring too? Palm/HP sanctioned homebrewing on their devices, have none of these restrictions Microsoft is supposed to be adding, and gets along fine.

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The users in the case are everyone, not just "homebrewers" or power users. This is an officially Microsoft-sanctioned tool and they can't estimate the extent that this tool will be used. Jailbreaking isn't confined solely for power users anymore--anyone can do it with instructions from youtube. Chevron will probably be even easier.

Precedent are desktop operating systems and Android. You can't guarantee security, reliability, and performance with those models. They want to guarantee that. (as much as they can, at least) Why's that hard to understand?
 
giga said:
The users in the case are everyone, not just "homebrewers" or power users. This is an officially Microsoft-sanctioned tool and they can't estimate the extent that this tool will be used. Jailbreaking isn't confined solely for power users anymore--anyone can do it with instructions from youtube. Chevron will probably be even easier.

Precedent are desktop operating systems and Android. You can't guarantee security, reliability, and performance with those models. They want to guarantee that. (as much as they can, at least) Why's that hard to understand?
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Why do they have to guarantee that? Why can't it be at the user's own risk, like Android etc does? Isn't that supposed to be point of the mode, to do unsanctioned stuff?

And what about webOS? That webOS precedent is actually closest to the model Microsoft says they want to try with WP7...
 
Greyface said:
Why do they have to guarantee that? Why can't it be at the user's own risk, like Android etc does? Isn't that supposed to be point of the mode, to do unsanctioned stuff?

And what about webOS? That webOS precedent is actually closest to the model Microsoft says they want to try with WP7...
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Because they want to guarantee that? Users can't be trusted. They'll see some instruction on how to install this great new app which then prompts them to the Chevron site and then they have file system access.

WebOS is like WP7? How? It's more like Android if anything given its multitasking model and system access.
 
giga said:
Because they want to guarantee that? Users can't be trusted. They'll see some instruction on how to install this great new app which then prompts them to the Chevron site and then they have file system access.

WebOS is like WP7? How? It's more like Android if anything given its multitasking model and system access.
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I said WP7 wants to be like webOS. The is an officially sanctioned webOS path to get homebrew. Microsoft said they'll provide an officially sanctioned path to get homebrew.

As for the rest of your post, I'm completely lost. You could say the same thing about every other platform, that some unscrupulous app could theoretically pull off some social engineering move and get file access. If Microsoft places restrictions on the official homebrew scene, that's just going to push people back towards trying to hack the system and remove those restrictions. A jailbreak scene will eventually develop and Microsoft will be back where they started.
 
Greyface said:
I said WP7 wants to be like webOS. The is an officially sanctioned webOS path to get homebrew. Microsoft said they'll provide an officially sanctioned path to get homebrew.

As for the rest of your post, I'm completely lost. You could say the same thing about every other platform, that some unscrupulous app could theoretically pull off some social engineering move and get file access. If Microsoft places restrictions on the official homebrew scene, that's just going to push people back towards trying to hack the system and remove those restrictions. A jailbreak scene will eventually develop and Microsoft will be back where they started.
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Well clearly, it's not anymore. It's now just an official way to side load apps that conform to the SDK but not to the marketplace restrictions.

The difference between jailbreaking is that it's not officially supported by Apple. Chevron will be official from Microsoft. They don't want to officially support giving system access.
 
One thing the People Hub needs is the separation of Live contacts that have no other phone number (e.g. Internet friends) from those with a phone number. In addition, right now when you import your Live contacts - it imports them all, and if you delete from your phone, it also deletes them from your Live contact list seen on browsers.
 
Meus Renaissance said:
One thing the People Hub needs is the separation of Live contacts that have no other phone number (e.g. Internet friends) from those with a phone number. In addition, right now when you import your Live contacts - it imports them all, and if you delete from your phone, it also deletes them from your Live contact list seen on browsers.
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Worst of all, deleting from your Live Contact list means they're removed from Messenger. Ugh.
 
Anybody know of a good, reliable Weather app with live tile support? I have a Verizon Trophy and have given the Weather Channel and Weatherbug apps a go, but both have frozen and refused to work. In fact, Weatherbug locked up whenever I tried to save a location. Haven't had this issue with any other apps.

Thoughts and/or suggestions?
 
Darth Tigris said:
Anybody know of a good, reliable Weather app with live tile support? I have a Verizon Trophy and have given the Weather Channel and Weatherbug apps a go, but both have frozen and refused to work. In fact, Weatherbug locked up whenever I tried to save a location. Haven't had this issue with any other apps.

Thoughts and/or suggestions?
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If you're in Australia you can try AUWeather.
 
Does anyone know if the mango update will fix the problem of no audio being sent over bluetooth when watching a video? Trying to decide if I should wait for mango or see if I can trade this phone for something else.
 
brotkasten said:
Someone released a Mango ROM and the blogger at WP Sauce took it apart. He found some interesting things, but you should be aware that none of those things have to be in the final Mango release. Just like visual voicemail settings were in the registry of the RTM release, but the feature wasn't there yet.


http://www.wpsauce.com/2011/06/deep-diving-into-mango-rom-reveals-more.html
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I've been harping on about how Xbox Live Party Chat support would be a great killer app for WP7 since launch. Really hope that makes it in!
 
I thought this was interesting how they removed a lot of the 'dead space' on the startscreen in this ad:

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I'm fine with it now but that was one of my largest complaints when WP7 was first revealed.
 
So, I just purchased a Samsung Focus (And I'll have to detail my experience purchasing it in another post - suprisingly hostile AT&T clerks, downplaying, etc.), but I now have a problem.

The phone apparently auto-generated an Xbox Live account and gamertag for me, based on the user account name I used for Zune. The auto-generated Xbox Live gamertag is now associated with the LIVE ID I used to create my Zune/Phone account. Naturally, I would like to either use my actual Xbox 360 gamertag, or pull in the info from my existing gamertag into my phone.

None of the online solutions seem to work. When I try to associate my OG Xbox 360 gamertag old LIVE ID with the phone's LIVE ID, it won't let me do that because, as the message tells me, there is already an existing account associated with it. I'm copying and pasting the only other solution I came across, below:

"Create a brand new LiveID (you will use it only for some minutes)

Go to Xbox console and login with the Phone Live ID (Phone Gamertag) the one you want to free up from Xbox Gamertag

On Xbox Console move this Gamertag to the newly created temp LiveID (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/945419)"

The problem is, in order to login to my xbox with the "Phone Live ID", I have to create the profile on the Xbox - but then I can't seem create it, because then I'm told, again, that there is already a profile associated with that account. Is there a simple way to just delete the Windows Phone Xbox Live account, so I can start over? Or is there a solution that makes sense.

Xbox Live Support was no help in this matter either.
 
Aasir Osu said:
The problem is, in order to login to my xbox with the "Phone Live ID", I have to create the profile on the Xbox - but then I can't seem create it, because then I'm told, again, that there is already a profile associated with that account. Is there a simple way to just delete the Windows Phone Xbox Live account, so I can start over? Or is there a solution that makes sense.
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Sounds like you are trying to create a new account, but the account already exists. Try recovering the gamertag instead.
 
The recovery trick worked - thank the gods, or user_nat!

Of course, I have a new problem. My existing account has Microsoft points on it, and since I already did a transfer earlier (or attempted to) it won't let me associate my Xbox360 gamertag with my phone live ID for at least 30 days. Oh well.

Hopefully, it will work as intended by then.

Thanks for the help.
 
has the wp7 team ever commented on the absence of an included weather app? is there any possibility of improvements to the alarms app i.e. add stopwatcher, timer, timezones etc
 
Greyface said:
has the wp7 team ever commented on the absence of an included weather app? is there any possibility of improvements to the alarms app i.e. add stopwatcher, timer, timezones etc
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Comment on the absence of included weather app? Not enough time. They released it in the marketplace and never updated all the apps since launch. Even if they did, those weren't significant updates. They don't care and let the 3rd party devs do all the work, which is fine by me. The official Facebook app by Microsoft still doesn't have push notifications or a live tile, which is much more important, if you ask me.

snoopeasystreet said:
Haven't kept up Mango lately. Any word on a beta for developers?
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Rumor is that devs should get the beta this week. It's nothing official, but that's what everyone is hoping, because Brandon Watson, the guy who's responsible for this, said that last week was exclusively for the press.
 
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