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[Korey]

Whatever, I'm done arguing this.

 

[SeanR1221]

Im really surprised they don't let you see who "liked" things on Facebook.

 

[Vanillalite]

Im really surprised they don't let you see who "liked" things on Facebook.

It's one of my small current nitpicks.

 

[bigtroyjon]

Why don't they do commercials of this?

Like the Pepsi challenge. I don't know if it worked for Pepsi or not but at least everyone knows of those commercials, and unlike a taste test you can actually see the speed test happening and concrete results.

I'd say commercials are guaranteed. Anyone know what kind of release was signed?

Might even be used for those Super Bowl spots I think are going to happen.

 

[Korey]

http://wmpoweruser.com/exclusive-smokedbywindowsphone-100-challenge-to-be-a-ad-campaign/

I'd say commercials are guaranteed. Anyone know what kind of release was signed?

Might even be used for those Super Bowl spots I think are going to happen.

Ok this makes sense...no wonder not that many people took the challenge. Was wondering why it was only 12-1 earlier hehe.

 

[MCD]

http://wmpoweruser.com/microsoft-cheated-in-smoked-by-windows-phone/

Already flip-flopping.

 

[Vanillalite]

http://wmpoweruser.com/microsoft-cheated-in-smoked-by-windows-phone/

Already flip-flopping.

Honestly they fact that they can even do that test is crazy. So many devices and so much wireless shit going everywhere makes me wonder how anyone can actually do anything.

 

[Korey]

http://wmpoweruser.com/microsoft-cheated-in-smoked-by-windows-phone/

Already flip-flopping.

Anyone have the article text saved? Looks like the article was deleted

 

[Darth Tigris]

Anyone have the article text saved? Looks like the article was deleted

Or never existed. It's really not hard to make a fake url at all ...

http://wmpoweruser.com/wp-sells-30-million-in-one-week/

 

[PG2G]

I read it in my RSS feed

 

[Trigger Warning]

Anyone have the article text saved? Looks like the article was deleted

Smoked by Windows Phone is a contest Microsoft is running at CES, where users can challenge their phone against Windows Phone and win $100 if their smartphone beats the Windows Phone. The catch? Microsoft is cheating.

In the scenario caught on video above, one of our friends at CES accepted the challenge. His phone? An Android – Samsung Galaxy S2.

Rules of the Competition: Both phones will start in the camera app. Both phones are connected to Microsoft’s WiFi hotspot. Upon saying go, both phones will take a picture and as quickly as possible, upload the picture to Facebook. The finish line is the point when the user finished the upload process (not when the upload actually completed sending the data). We confirmed this finish point with Microsoft.

What Happened: The Android device was actually finished before Windows Phone. However, the Android device showed that the upload failed, and because of that, the Windows Phone won.

What Really Happened: Uploads on both phones most likely failed. In the next competition, the Windows Phone failed to connect to Bing (Microsoft’s WiFi wasn’t working). Windows Phone simply doesn’t display ANY status messages about whether uploads completed or failed. The user is left in the dark. That is why it looked like Windows Phone worked and Android “failed”.

But that doesn’t even matter. The finish line is when the upload proccess for the user is completed, not the actual data exchange. Android was the first to the finish line, as seen in the video. In fact, Android does an even better job since it actually tells you that your upload didn’t work, whereas with Windows Phone you have no clue the upload didn’t work!

I fully support and love Windows Phone, but it is concerning that Microsoft resorted to lying. If Windows Phone is as good as they make it seem, it should be able to beat Android fair and square.

 

[Solid warrior]

I read on the internet that the upcoming major updates won't be coming to existing hardware, I don't understand why.

 

[foodtaster]

Smoked by Windows Phone is a contest Microsoft is running at CES, where users can challenge their phone against Windows Phone and win $100 if their smartphone beats the Windows Phone. The catch? Microsoft is cheating.

In the scenario caught on video above, one of our friends at CES accepted the challenge. His phone? An Android – Samsung Galaxy S2.

Rules of the Competition: Both phones will start in the camera app. Both phones are connected to Microsoft’s WiFi hotspot. Upon saying go, both phones will take a picture and as quickly as possible, upload the picture to Facebook. The finish line is the point when the user finished the upload process (not when the upload actually completed sending the data). We confirmed this finish point with Microsoft.

What Happened: The Android device was actually finished before Windows Phone. However, the Android device showed that the upload failed, and because of that, the Windows Phone won.

What Really Happened: Uploads on both phones most likely failed. In the next competition, the Windows Phone failed to connect to Bing (Microsoft’s WiFi wasn’t working). Windows Phone simply doesn’t display ANY status messages about whether uploads completed or failed. The user is left in the dark. That is why it looked like Windows Phone worked and Android “failed”.

But that doesn’t even matter. The finish line is when the upload proccess for the user is completed, not the actual data exchange. Android was the first to the finish line, as seen in the video. In fact, Android does an even better job since it actually tells you that your upload didn’t work, whereas with Windows Phone you have no clue the upload didn’t work!

I fully support and love Windows Phone, but it is concerning that Microsoft resorted to lying. If Windows Phone is as good as they make it seem, it should be able to beat Android fair and square.

lolz. lies.

 

[PG2G]

I read on the internet that the upcoming major updates won't be coming to existing hardware, I don't understand why.

There are a lot of questions about what "Tango" is. Some say it is intended at opening up Windows Phone to lower end devices with lower resolutions and so on, so Nokia can sell a crap load of phones in emerging markets (which is one of their stronger areas). It might not offer anything for us.

That said, there's always been rumors of a Tango 1 and a Tango 2. It's all kind of foggy and nobody really knows what they are talking about.

 

[HallucinatingElvis]

Windows does tell you when it cant upload a picture

 

[MCD]

Dunno what happened but that article was indeed there.

Double flip-flop.

 

[Raistlin]

Sounds like the writer didn't know what he was talking about and it got pulled?

 

[brotkasten]

Sounds like the writer didn't know what he was talking about and it got pulled?

The article is back up.

Update:

1) Post title changed to reflect new info.
2) Microsoft just contacted us regarding this matter. As you can see from the below video, neither Ben nor his competitor noticed the issue in the contest. So Ben is ready to offer a re-match with the below contestant if he wants to. I guess Ben would even double down the price money if he wins ! ! ;-)

So, here is the second chance for Android to prove itself.

I bet his colleague/boss Surur was fuming. :lol

 

[Ghost]

Lol it is true about wp7 not giving you any kind of error though, I just 'uploaded' a photo to Facebook in airplane mode. Its a good idea to let me leave the upload screen but at least send me a toast message if it fails.

 

[aaaaa0]

Lol it is true about wp7 not giving you any kind of error though, I just 'uploaded' a photo to Facebook in airplane mode. Its a good idea to let me leave the upload screen but at least send me a toast message if it fails.

It puts up a toast if it fails, then continues to retry in the background. If ur in airplane mode, i think it queues it and will do it when you reconnect.

 

[HallucinatingElvis]

I manually turned off WiFi and cellular, was told the photo could not be uploaded at this time.

 

[derFeef]

Dunno why they should lie/cheat/whatever in this special case but not in other ones.

 

[brotkasten]

Dunno why they should lie/cheat/whatever in this special case but not in other ones.

Because it's Microsoft and all of them are liars. Apple is at least fair and honest and Google way too humble and generous, to be honest. Surprises me that they're still in business.

 

[antiquegamer]

Because it's Microsoft and all of them are liars. Apple is at least fair and honest and Google way too humble and generous, to be honest. Surprises me that they're still in business.

You are full of sarcasm today.

But isn't this the sentiment around this part anyway.

 

[brotkasten]

n an interview with FierceWireless, Chris Weber, Nokia's president of North America, said the company will continue its strategy of providing a broad portfolio of devices for the North American market at multiple price points and operators and with multiple user experiences.

"The most important thing we can do in the U.S. market is bring exclusive devices and opportunities to each of the carriers," he said. "Doing that exclusivity and giving them something unique allows us to get great carrier support."

Weber declined to speculate on what carriers Nokia might work beyond the stated commitments to partner with T-Mobile USA for the Lumia 710, which T-Mobile will launch Wednesday for $50 with a two-year contract and after a $50 mail-in rebate, and the LTE-capable Lumia 900, which AT&T Mobility (NYSE:T) will launch in the coming months. However, with regard to Verizon Wireless (NYSE:VZ), Weber said: "They're a very important partner for us."

Weber said Nokia internally talks about how it wants to be the most operator-friendly company to work with in the U.S. market. He said the focus within Nokia continues to be working with carriers to create unique business models paired with each device. "I think it's critical for us to be successful in the U.S.," Weber said. "That's the way you get great carrier support."

Nokia will begin rolling out a marketing campaign for the Lumia 710, and Weber said it will be placed prominently in T-Mobile's stores and that the device has been seeded into T-Mobile's retail sales corps. He said that as the launch toward the Lumia 900 with AT&T ramps up, AT&T will engage in its own marketing and retail efforts to promote the device.

For example, while the T-Mobile partnership is specifically geared at first-time smartphone users, the Lumia 900 with AT&T will be geared toward those customers as well as those who want to switch from another smartphone platform. Weber said that for the business to be successful, Nokia will need to aggressively go after first time smartphone buyers and potential switchers, even though non-smartphone users are a larger population. "The reality is it's an 'and' statement, not an 'or,'" "We have to do both."

Weber said Nokia will be able to tell that the new strategy is working by measuring how much customers say they love Nokia's Windows Phones. "At the end of the day, if we have great consumer satisfaction, they recommend it to friends, they love those devices, every other business metric takes care of itself," he said.

http://www.fiercewireless.com/cesli...windows-phone-devices-each-carrier/2012-01-10

Myerson didn’t offer a ton of details on how Microsoft will go about getting people more familiar with Windows Phone, but said that is his first objective.

“We know we need to do something new and different,” Myerson said.

Microsoft has also had a challenge getting much love from either Sprint or Verizon. Redmond was late with support for their CDMA networks and both have offered only the barest of Windows Phone lineups.

“We’re working on a relationship with both of them,” Myerson said. Asked whether the ill-fated Kin project might have soured Verizon on Microsoft, he said simply that the company needed a partnership with Verizon in which both parties see benefit. “It’s important in the U.S. that we do that.”

http://allthingsd.com/20120110/excl...es-windows-phone-still-has-awareness-problem/

That's not how you re-enter a market. Meanwhile Intel knocked at everyones door and got a nice partnership with Verizon's darling Motorola.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

That's not how you re-enter a market. Meanwhile Intel knocked at everyones door and got a nice partnership with Verizon's darling Motorola.

Motorola is the only major 3rd party OEM who are Android-only. They have bet everything on Android, unlike HTC, Samsung, LG, Lenovo, and everyone else. It makes sense that Motorola would be the first on board for Medfield since it lets them diversify within Android a little bit. Remember that even now, Motorola is barely eking out a quarterly profit and they are still waiting on final approval to be swallowed up by Google. They're hedging their bets a bit with Medfield, that's it really.

 

[brotkasten]

Motorola is the only major 3rd party OEM who are Android-only. They have bet everything on Android, unlike HTC, Samsung, LG, Lenovo, and everyone else. It makes sense that Motorola would be the first on board for Medfield since it lets them diversify within Android a little bit. Remember that even now, Motorola is barely eking out a quarterly profit and they are still waiting on final approval to be swallowed up by Google. They're hedging their bets a bit with Medfield, that's it really.

Should've gone with a Windows Phone or two, but they only mentioned that to raise their price. btw, the first Intel-Phone comes from Lenovo.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Should've gone with a Windows Phone or two, but they only mentioned that to raise their price. btw, the first Intel-Phone comes from Lenovo.

I don't see why Motorola would go with Windows Phone when they're about to be acquired by Google.

 

[brotkasten]

I don't see why Motorola would go with Windows Phone when they're about to be acquired by Google.

Like I said, they mentioned few days before the acquisition that they'd consider the OS, probably to raise the price. Microsoft was also interested in them.

“I would have to consider whether defocusing from Android to Windows will be the right thing for us to do,” Motorola CEO Sanjay Jha said during a speech at the Oppenheimer Technology & Communications Conference in Boston, according to the Inquirer, “but if the capabilities on Windows are such that [it] is the right thing for us, I think we will consider it.”

 

[Ghost]

It puts up a toast if it fails, then continues to retry in the background. If ur in airplane mode, i think it queues it and will do it when you reconnect.

What are you basing that off because I actually did it and there was no message and the photo is still not on Facebook 4 hours later...



In better/more stupid news I got some amazon vouchers for my Birthday I'm going to waste them on Nokias purity headset, hopefully the volume and mic controls work as advertised.

 

[D4Danger]

why isn't the prize for that #smokedbywindowsphone competition a, you know, Windows Phone?

 

[kehs]

Should've gone with a Windows Phone or two, but they only mentioned that to raise their price. btw, the first Intel-Phone comes from Lenovo.

Motorola, as a company, is way too laser focused on creating unique products to jump into the fray with Windows Phone and just be another "me too" participant in a race to the bottom of an incomplete and fragmented ecosystem.

 

[ElNino]

why isn't the prize for that #smokedbywindowsphone competition a, you know, Windows Phone?

I thought they said the "losers" would win a Windows Phone while the "winners" got $100. Or are they not doing that?

 

[brotkasten]

Motorola, as a company, is way too laser focused on creating unique products to jump into the fray with Windows Phone and just be another "me too" participant in a race to the bottom of an incomplete and fragmented ecosystem.

This is why I don't want to miss post like yours. <3

 

[antiquegamer]

What are you basing that off because I actually did it and there was no message and the photo is still not on Facebook 4 hours later...

In better/more stupid news I got some amazon vouchers for my Birthday I'm going to waste them on Nokias purity headset, hopefully the volume and mic controls work as advertised.

The phone always tell me when it can't upload something. I just try it and it said can't upload please try later. I know when you at a place with poor connection sometimes it will keep trying because it got a sliver of connection. This happen to me when I was at last year Comic Con and PAX.

 

[VanMardigan]

The 900 is the first Windows phone that's gotten buzz from people I know irl. I just got a call from my sister asking about it, and two friends brought it up yesterday.

Also, bug village is unplayable if you don't pay. I at least expected to get a few hours out of it before being pressured to buy stuff, but it's immediately obvious the game is worthless right off the bat if you don't want to pay. Add to that the fact that the dlc mechanism isn't working right now apparently (just shows loading on the dlc screen), and you're left with a worthless game period.

 

[SeanR1221]

Isn't it one of those management games where you set things up, leave for a few hours and play again?

 

[brotkasten]

The 900 is the first Windows phone that's gotten buzz from people I know irl. I just got a call from my sister asking about it, and two friends brought it up yesterday.

You can do some nice things with that marketing money.

 

[gcubed]

I thought they said the "losers" would win a Windows Phone while the "winners" got $100. Or are they not doing that?

that would be the better prize. Why would you want to win a phone you just beat? Racing with pink slips?

 

[derFeef]

that would be the better prize. Why would you want to win a phone you just beat? Racing with pink slips?

What? Winners (own phone is faster than the WP) are getting 100$ - Losers (WP is faster) the Windows Phone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B8NaPPgbbDQ

 

[gcubed]

What? Winners (own phone is faster than the WP) are getting 100$ - Losers (WP is faster) the Windows Phone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B8NaPPgbbDQ

right, i'm responding to the original through the reply quoting it as i'm agreeing with it. Clear?

 

[derFeef]

right, i'm responding to the original through the reply quoting it as i'm agreeing with it. Clear?

It's like whisper down the lane or something
It's clear.

 

[brotkasten]

If you thought the 900 made your 800 obsolete, just wait for MWC.

PCMAG: What sort of announcements should we be expecting to hear from Nokia at Mobile World Congress next month?

Elop: Our hope is to continue to show that the clock speed of the company has been accelerated. You saw a bunch of announcements in October, you're seeing this in January in the U.S. market, the pattern that I want to demonstrate for the whole company is that we're clearly moving at an accelerated rate.

 

[bigtroyjon]

Motorola is the only major 3rd party OEM who are Android-only. They have bet everything on Android, unlike HTC, Samsung, LG, Lenovo, and everyone else. It makes sense that Motorola would be the first on board for Medfield since it lets them diversify within Android a little bit. Remember that even now, Motorola is barely eking out a quarterly profit and they are still waiting on final approval to be swallowed up by Google. They're hedging their bets a bit with Medfield, that's it really.

Always look forward to reading another chapter in "The Big Book of Andriod" every time you post in the Windows Phone thread.

 

[Ghost]

ooooh! Useful(assuming you know 1 other person with a WP)

(source: http://www.wpcentral.com/exclusive-complete-windows-phone-emoji-list )

 

[GCX]

If you thought the 900 made your 800 obsolete, just wait for MWC.

Nokia probably aims to broaden its mid-range WP7 portfolio as soon as possible but I'm sure 900 will remain as the flagship phone for a while.

 

[brotkasten]

Nokia probably aims to broaden its mid-range WP7 portfolio as soon as possible but I'm sure 900 will remain as the flagship phone for a while.

They should make it available worldwide first.

 

[GCX]

They should make it available worldwide first.

I'm not sure they'll make it available everywhere since it's so similar with the 800. I meant it'll remain as the flagship phone at least in US for a while.

Oh and that reminds me that Nokia announced today that 800 will be releases next month in Scandinavia.

 

[VanMardigan]

Isn't it one of those management games where you set things up, leave for a few hours and play again?

I have no experience with these games, I'm assuming Facebook games are like this too?

Anyway, yeah, you set something up and you wait a few hours then come back. The only way to actually play the game in a typical fashion is to pay to speed things up. 15 minutes is the smallest intervals, but you don't get much of anything that way.

Edit: Also, $2 is the cheapest transaction, and its MS points only, no carrier billing or CC.

 

[brotkasten]

I'm not sure they'll make it available everywhere since it's so similar with the 800. I meant it'll remain as the flagship phone at least in US for a while.

But the 800 is their mid-range phone, not a flagship device.