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Hmm my omnia seems to have some problems lately. I think it shuts itself down from time to time and i put some videos on it which dont appear now, and that sucks. I think this happens since the last update
 
My Samsung Focus has had it's battery life drop to complete shite. I'm wondering if I can get a replacement battery or should I jump on a Gen 2 phone. I was hoping to hold out until Gen 3, but We'll see if there are any battery replacement options.
 
1. Interesting.
2. Because it's up to the manufacturers to pick the sensor?
The only bad battery-life I've heard even mentioned is the 800, which seems to be a Nokia firmware issue. The rest of the stuff I've heard about WPhones are that they have really good battery life.

I know my trophy lasts between 1 completely day [7am-midnight] or 1 1/2 days (charge the next day at noonish)
The first generation was poor/average:
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The current generation isn't much better (the Lumias are rated poor/average battery life even excluding the buggy units):

2. Because it's up to the manufacturers to pick the sensor?
Why isn't Microsoft pushing their manufacturers to pick better sensors then? How can Microsoft's head of mobile nonchalantly make a comment like this:
Nokia won't be the only partner adding new hardware features, but their commitment has made a supporting more features worthwhile. "It's going to push us to start to prioritise some of those innovations with hardware that we might have deprioritised because we weren't sure whether we would see a hardware partner take advantage of it in that time frame."
Is the tail wagging the dog now?

I think it's time for Microsoft make their own hardware. Now I don't mean like Google's Nexus series which is what those who say Microsoft should make a phone usually have in mind. The Nexus series are developer reference devices. Google designs them to showcase new software which later trickle down to other devices. Windows Phones already run the same software and get updates to old devices in a timely fashion. The Nexus series doesn't have cutting edge hardware, it is usually bested by what's already on the market. This is where Microsoft's Signature series would be different. All those cutting edge hardware features that the manufacture partners aren't willing to support yet would be in that series. Any software differences would between these Signature series would be similar to the differences between current Windows Phones that have a Front facing camera and those that don't i.e. a negligible difference. Current generation Windows Phones are already stratified into two tiers. This is the logical progression.

How would Microsoft avoid pissing off their 'partners' (manufacturers and carriers)? Well fuck the manufacturers, quite a few of them are only putting out WPs under duress of Microsoft lawsuits against their Android phones ;). If they don't want to make phones with carbon fiber bodies and optical zoom lens then why shouldn't Microsoft? More seriously now, Microsoft would avoid getting into competition with their manufacturer partners by not offering this Signature series through the carriers and instead only selling it in the Microsoft stores and on the Microsoft website. The manufacturers consider the carriers to be their buyers so Microsoft would be keeping the peace by not targeting that channel. On the other hand, Microsoft would avoid pissing off the carriers by offering the phone at an exorbitant price (as they should, this is the bleeding edge of hardware we are talking about). Most customers wouldn't be able to afford this premium device. If a carrier wants to subsidize the price somewhat (say $500 on contract), so be it. It would still be on a tier different from Microsoft's manufacturer partners. Either way, it wouldn't be a mass market device. Customers would lap it up. For those would can afford it, the phones would be status symbols (that carbon fiber!). For phone geeks, it would contain the latest technology (better than the iPhone) and be well worth owning--perhaps Microsoft could even toss in a developer license. This would be top of the line (64GB of storage, NFC wireless headphones etc) with no compromises. Consumer interest will be piqued and those who experience some sticker shock would get be directed to other more affordable phones which run the exact same software and apps. After all, the iPhone 3GS sold very well behind the iPhone 4 despite the iPhone 4 and its features receiving all the advertising. Lure them in with the premium Signature series then sell them another model they can afford. It's still got the Windows logo (although this might be a good time to change the branding...)
 
The first generation was poor/average:
I wouldn't use those charts as an accurate ranking of battery life. Seeing as the Focus is rated as having a battery life of only 3.75 hours which is not consistent to my experiences. I guess if they are using websites with white backgrounds constantly, then the AMOLED screen could cause the battery to wear out that quickly... but that isn't really a typical usage scenario and is one that is biased towards phones with LCD screens.

My Focus lasts me from 6am to midnight almost every day, and in that time I typically spend 3-4 hours of "heavy" use (actively using it for email/SMS/news/gaming/Netflix/etc). For the rest of the day I am still using the phone, just not with the screen on all time... I will answer email/SMS/phone calls and use it to quickly do other tasks but not continuously. By the time I charge it again (around midnight) I am usually between 20%-30% battery life. The only times a really need to charge before that is if I'm using it for WiFi hotspot with my Playbook and/or iPad.
 
I have found that the integrated Facebook/Live messenger absolutely destroys battery life, do I leave it off when I know I won't be around a charger for a long period of time
 
I have found that the integrated Facebook/Live messenger absolutely destroys battery life, do I leave it off when I know I won't be around a charger for a long period of time

I don't find those make much difference. I leave them on and still last a day, although I don't use them much.
 
I wouldn't use those charts as an accurate ranking of battery life. Seeing as the Focus is rated as having a battery life of only 3.75 hours which is not consistent to my experiences. I guess if they are using websites with white backgrounds constantly, then the AMOLED screen could cause the battery to wear out that quickly... but that isn't really a typical usage scenario and is one that is biased towards phones with LCD screens.

My Focus lasts me from 6am to midnight almost every day, and in that time I typically spend 3-4 hours of "heavy" use (actively using it for email/SMS/news/gaming/Netflix/etc). For the rest of the day I am still using the phone, just not with the screen on all time... I will answer email/SMS/phone calls and use it to quickly do other tasks but not continuously. By the time I charge it again (around midnight) I am usually between 20%-30% battery life. The only times a really need to charge before that is if I'm using it for WiFi hotspot with my Playbook and/or iPad.

Agreed.... I don't find these benchmarks are that reflective of real world performance. I think your setting factor much more into things than stuff like this.

For example I had my email set to push up until recently and was getting about 4 hrs from constant usage. I decided to test something by having it poll every 30 mins for email (instead of push) and my battery life is up significantly (about 10 hrs of constant usage). One little change like that has made a huge impact for me. Would not be surprised if something like that was the reason wp7 did not fare well in the benchmark.
 
I have found that the integrated Facebook/Live messenger absolutely destroys battery life, do I leave it off when I know I won't be around a charger for a long period of time

Can't confirm this. I get my phone off the charger around 7 AM, I'm signed into FB/WLM chat all day and get everything pushed as well (two e-mail accounts, twitter, facebook), plus some internet radio over WiFi when I'm at work. The battery saver kicks in around 7 PM and half an hour later I'm already back at home. It could be argued if this counts as "all day", but my phone is already over a year old and the battery isn't that fresh anymore. It still lasts an entire day for me, so I'm okay with that.

e: Today I had data disabled for half a day (didn't notice that my phone couldn't get any reception at work for some reason) and the battery status looks pretty good:

Remaining: 70%
Estimated time remaining: 1 day 12 hours
Time since last charge: 16 hours

I won't charge the phone over night and report back tomorrow.

Why isn't Microsoft pushing their manufacturers to pick better sensors then?
OEMs weren't happy with the restrictions when they were announced and you won't make it better, when you get even more restrictive with the hardware they have to pick.

MS: "5MP is the absolute minimum you can pick, but make also sure that you get the same quality as an iPhone 4"
OEMs: "Fuck off, Microsoft."
 
My LG Optimus 7 crapped out with "storage card not detected" issues a week after its warranty expired. Not fun.
Had to pony up extra to get it sent in to Telus for repair/replacement.
Coping with an awful Blackberry loaner phone right now. You don't realize how dependent you are on WP7 convenience until it's gone. :(
 
OEMs weren't happy with the restrictions when they were announced and you won't make it better, when you get even more restrictive with the hardware they have to pick.

MS: "5MP is the absolute minimum you can pick, but make also sure that you get the same quality as an iPhone 4"
OEMs: "Fuck off, Microsoft."
Me: "Fuck off, OEMs"
 
Posting this because people always seem to want to purchase windows phone stuff with MS Points

Exclusive: Microsoft to discontinue its virtual currency system Microsoft Points

Microsoft’s proprietary virtual currency system, Microsoft Points, will be phased out by the end of the year, according to a source with knowledge of the company’s decision. The change will affect developers for Windows Phone, the Zune marketplace and Xbox Live.

By the end of 2012, all transactions will be based on the region set on the purchasing account and real money will be used to purchase all Windows Phone content. The move puts the Windows Phone Marketplace in line with the purchasing practices used in the App Store and the Android Market.

It'd make sense, we shall see though.
 
Well I already put my sim back in my iPhone.

The culprit? Kik messenger. I would get the toast notifications just fine, but my live tile would rarely show that I had new messages, forcing me to manually check it.
 
Carbon Twitter client for Windows Phone stalled after fourth app submission attempt fails
We've been pretty excited about dots & line's excellent Carbon app coming to both Android and Windows Phone. While the former is still in the preliminary planning stages, the team is finished its 1.0 version for Windows Phone, and has even submitted it for review to Microsoft's Marketplace. Except that it has been rejected now four times. Four. Times. This was the tweet from the CarbonWP Twitter account last night:This is mega ultra sonic bad News. We failed Marketplace certification test for the 4th time. We're taking a break from this project for now

Now, how did this happen? Apparently, according to Microsoft's ambiguous review process, the app contained material offensive to China, Indonesia and Malaysia. This after its second and third attempts came back with the explanation: "Your application does not appear to be fully functional when installed from Marketplace. Please clarify its intended functionality within the application description," despite being explicitly labeled as a Twitter app.

We've heard issues like this before. Microsoft attempted to clean up and streamline its app submission process to coincide with the Mango release in October 2011, but it seems there is still the occasional hiccup in the process, though not often with the highly-public profile as Carbon.

Apple has also had its share of "app purgatory" cases, where the submission will sit for weeks or months in Cupertino's review clutches with no reasonable explanation. Such a procedure exposes the often-exasperating of curated app stores such as Windows Phone and iOS. On the other hands, such a process has its advantages, namely weeding out the copyright-infringing, malware-ridden refuse that finds its way into Android's uncensored Marketplace.

While Carbon has been seen to — Nokia's Head of Developer Relations, Richard Kerris has personally intervened — there are undoubtedly dozens or hundreds of other app developers in similar situations. We're glad for the oversight, don't get me wrong, but there is a time when enough is enough.

Let's hope Carbon gets approved as soon as possible, for everyone's sake. For an in-depth preview of the Carbon beta for Windows Phone, head on over to Mobile Jaw.
Looks like it will be sorted out

Carbon for webOS is one of the best twitter apps for any platform. You should check out that Carbon WP7 preview. Looks good:
 
e: Today I had data disabled for half a day (didn't notice that my phone couldn't get any reception at work for some reason) and the battery status looks pretty good:

Remaining: 70%
Estimated time remaining: 1 day 12 hours
Time since last charge: 16 hours

I won't charge the phone over night and report back tomorrow.


OEMs
I've been checking how much life I can get out of mine for the last few days. With data on/wifi off and I currently have:
Remaining: 22%
Time remaining: 15 hours
Time since last charge: 2 days 10 hours

I haven't used it much outside of FB checks and text messages.
 
I understand Nokia still has the right to modify the OS, right?
It's unclear. Other HW manufacturers do not, but it's possible Nokia has special privileges? Even if they potentially do, they've been quick to comment that the biggest issue they have with Android is it's fragmentation ... and made special note that they'd prefer to keep their apps as apps ... and not integrate them.

That said, it would be awesome if MS set up hooks so you could select providers for certain core functionality. Then you could select Nokia Nav to replace Bing Maps, their augmented reality stuff to replace Local Scout, etc. Actually if they're smart (and have the OS code), they'd replicate the API's so a hacker could hook it up themselves ;)

Why do Windows Phones on average have worse battery life than phones from other platforms?
To my knowledge they don't necessarily. They generally beat out Android phones (at least with similar battery sizes). I think many manufacturers have taken advantage of this though, and used a smaller battery.

Why can't a Windows Phone have the best smartphone camera?
Give it time. Actually the Lumia 900 looks to have a really nice camera.

Microsoft was supposed to offer the best of both worlds. Instead it's the blandness of the iPhone and with none of the diversity of the Android.
Completely disagree.

I still have hope that while WP might not pull ahead of Android phones that it'll still reach level with the iPhones. As it is, two years after the retina display, even RIM offers a Blackberry with a high ppi than anything in the WP camp.
? Except for maybe some of the 720p phones shown at CES, iPhone still has the best arc/pixel of any phone. Regardless, Apollo is expected to add 720p to the spec.
 
I actually remember reading that the Titan's camera was as good as the iPhone 4S's, which pretty much makes it best in class.
 
I meant more in terms of interviews and such, I'd like to see more info on Nokia other than "WP7, WP7, WP7".

They have acknowledged that, for now, it isn't Nokia versus Samsung and HTC. It's a battle of ecosystems, Windows Phone versus iOS and Android. So it kind of makes sense. In addition, there is only so much a hardware company can say.
 
I meant more in terms of interviews and such, I'd like to see more info on Nokia other than "WP7, WP7, WP7".
Aw man I guess haters gon hate. Oh no wait that's samsungs thing now right?

Seriously how nokia promoting windows phone differ from samsung whoring out android. You know besides the fact that samsung is a horrible at pr.
 
What else is there for Nokia to talk about? The media only cares about smartphones and Nokia is 100% WP7 for that sector

Yea, I know that's where my disappoint comes in. It's not a dig at WP7 either, it's more on Nokia turning into a straight OEM hardware maker. I see it as a regression in terms of innovation, something they used to known for.
 
Yea, I know that's where my disappoint comes in. It's not a dig at WP7 either, it's more on Nokia turning into a straight OEM hardware maker. I see it as a regression in terms of innovation, something they used to known for.

I guess I just don't get where you're coming from.

1) They make plenty of non-smartphones. As a matter of fact, IIRC they recently bought an OS they plan to update and use for feature-phones. So they are still innovating. It's not like in the past they used dozens of different OS's ... they went with whatever one they thought made the most sense for a particular segment. This is the entrance into smartphones, and for a variety of reasons they think WP7 is the best way to go about it.

2) A number of other manufacturers only go with one smartphone OS. There's plenty of Android-only companies out there. Nokia made a tactical decision that they feel makes the most sense for them. Hell even for most of the others that support WP7, they're really mostly Android. They're just testing the waters to see if supporting both makes sense. They're all heavily Android right now.

I just don't see how sticking to one OS for a specific segment is uncommon or will automatically stifle innovation. If anything, they're the manufacturer that's pushing things the most. They're pushing MS into new HW specs, and are by far the biggest manufacturer in terms of software and services. Did you have a problem that they stuck with Symbian for a specific segment in the past? Because this seems no different.
 
He comes from planet droid Where his parents umad jelly and coolstorybro jelly rasied him. One day on planet droid a boy came runing home to mama jelly. The boy wanted a special toy. So papa jelly went to the store and got the boy the special toy. But the boy became confused. He told mama jelly "mama this toy isn't special enough". So mama jelly asked papa jelly to get a better toy. So the next day papa jelly came home with an extra special toy. But yet again the was not pleased. Mama jelly asked "what's wrong son?" the boy went "this still isn't special enough". By this point papa jelly was becoming upset. So papa jelly sat down with the boy. "son, what's wrong?" the boy looked up to papa jelly "papa everything you give me isn't special enough". So then papa jelly, with an upside down smile on his face, asked the son "ok son, why don't you just tell me what you want?" then the son , with a big smile on his face said "everything papa!". Papa jelly gave out a great big chuckle and said "son you can't have everything. But you can harass those who do. But be careful of anyone bigger than you". Servarl years later the boy became king. And not forgetting the words papa jelly told him the boy now harassed the moon of a planet called Microsoft.
 
I guess I just don't get where you're coming from.

1) They make plenty of non-smartphones. As a matter of fact, IIRC they recently bought an OS they plan to update and use for feature-phones. So they are still innovating. It's not like in the past they used dozens of different OS's ... they went with whatever one they thought made the most sense for a particular segment. This is the entrance into smartphones, and for a variety of reasons they think WP7 is the best way to go about it.

2) A number of other manufacturers only go with one smartphone OS. There's plenty of Android-only companies out there. Nokia made a tactical decision that they feel makes the most sense for them. Hell even for most of the others that support WP7, they're really mostly Android. They're just testing the waters to see if supporting both makes sense. They're all heavily Android right now.

I just don't see how sticking to one OS for a specific segment is uncommon or will automatically stifle innovation. If anything, they're the manufacturer that's pushing things the most. They're pushing MS into new HW specs, and are by far the biggest manufacturer in terms of software and services. Did you have a problem that they stuck with Symbian for a specific segment in the past? Because this seems no different.

1) That's were I see Nokia totally losing sight. Right battle right now is for converting "dumbphone" users into smartphone users. Sure there will always be a portion of the overall market that will stay on "dumbphones" but that point is a long time from now, right now it's transitional period. It's like a step backwards to me for Nokia to a)be going all-in with a software platform they have no control over. b)choosing a platform that, I personally think, not even MS will actually be supporting after they hit their release for W8.

2)Dumbphone manufacturers are moving up, by going from feature phone oses to android(barely), where as Nokia already had the lead in the smartphone segment, but totally lost hold of everything. It's like Michael Jordan in the finals, he was falling behind while he had the flu, but eventually he came back and won the game. Except in this case, Nokia has fullblown AIDS and it's trying to cure it with Penicillin.

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Good show complex.
 
Yea, I know that's where my disappoint comes in. It's not a dig at WP7 either, it's more on Nokia turning into a straight OEM hardware maker. I see it as a regression in terms of innovation, something they used to known for.

How exactly is it different from back when Nokia licensed symbian?
 
Man, after reading through copernicus' intense defense of google in the gmail/google+ thread, I can see why he is so invested in wanting everyone to think Windows Phone is going to fail. Android not being the be all, end all might kill him.
 
Man, after reading through copernicus' intense defense of google in the gmail/google+ thread, I can see why he is so invested in wanting everyone to think Windows Phone is going to fail. Android not being the be all, end all might kill him.

You're confusing explanations with defensiveness.
 
I've been checking how much life I can get out of mine for the last few days. With data on/wifi off and I currently have:
Remaining: 22%
Time remaining: 15 hours
Time since last charge: 2 days 10 hours

I haven't used it much outside of FB checks and text messages.

Remaining battery life: 90%
Estimated time remaining: 12 hours
Time since last charge: 1 hour

Something is very wrong with my battery...
 
Man, after reading through copernicus' intense defense of google in the gmail/google+ thread, I can see why he is so invested in wanting everyone to think Windows Phone is going to fail. Android not being the be all, end all might kill him.

I dont really think many people are worried about MS knocking Android down... even copernicus
 
Remaining battery life: 90%
Estimated time remaining: 12 hours
Time since last charge: 1 hour

Something is very wrong with my battery...

That doesn't sound right, no. With my Optimus 7 I'm getting

Remaining battery life: 90%
Estimated time remaining: 1 day 12 hours
Time since last charge: 4 hours
 
Remaining battery life: 90%
Estimated time remaining: 12 hours
Time since last charge: 1 hour

Something is very wrong with my battery...

What phone do you have?

My Optimus 7 looks still okay. 4 hours on WiFi with about an hour of radio streaming, the rest of the day I'll be on HSPA.

Can't confirm this. I get my phone off the charger around 7 AM, I'm signed into FB/WLM chat all day and get everything pushed as well (two e-mail accounts, twitter, facebook), plus some internet radio over WiFi when I'm at work. The battery saver kicks in around 7 PM and half an hour later I'm already back at home. It could be argued if this counts as "all day", but my phone is already over a year old and the battery isn't that fresh anymore. It still lasts an entire day for me, so I'm okay with that.

e: Today I had data disabled for half a day (didn't notice that my phone couldn't get any reception at work for some reason) and the battery status looks pretty good:

Remaining: 70%
Estimated time remaining: 1 day 12 hours
Time since last charge: 16 hours

I won't charge the phone over night and report back tomorrow.

Remaining battery life: 31%
Estimated time remaining: 14 hours
Time since last charge: 1 day 5 hour

Today I didn't have many mails pushed, though.
 
The Carphone Warehouse is expecting the unlocked Lumia 900 for June.
http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/news/coming-soon/nokia-lumia-900?affiliateId=78888

Pretty late, imo, knowing that we'll get G3 devices three months later.

My biggest worry is that Nokia plans on this being their big phone for the whole year. This especially becomes my worry if it launches so late in the year.

Makes me worried we won't get a G3 device from them until next year because they are stuck in this weird cycle timeline wise. That means it'll probably pretty much be down to either a Samsung or HTC device again.
 
With all this battery talk, I was messing around with my settings. Over the past year with my focus, I've had my screen setting on low to conserve battery life, haven't touch it. Gotten used to it. I flipped the switch to high for kicks and it was like a slap in the face, suddenly I was blinded. Mind you, I did this in the dark in bed, but holy shit, forgot how vivid the focus' screen can get.
 
My biggest worry is that Nokia plans on this being their big phone for the whole year. This especially becomes my worry if it launches so late in the year.

Makes me worried we won't get a G3 device from them until next year because they are stuck in this weird cycle timeline wise. That means it'll probably pretty much be down to either a Samsung or HTC device again.

You think "Operation Rolling Thunder" consists of two devices, the 900 and 710? I would have a hard time believing Nokia won't be releasing new phones on the low end (with Tango) as well as on the high end (with Apollo).

On another note, Murtazin: 'Nokia Lumia 910 will arrive in May, pack 12MP camera'. Some what backs up what Paul Thurott's rumors.
 
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