Jex
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No preview ever tops the hyper of the "bitter coffee" preview, sadly.
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Winter of Anime 2013 |OT -6| How much lower can we go?!
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No preview ever tops the hyper of the "bitter coffee" preview, sadly.
ZachDeKoromaru
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There are definitely some references you'll see and most likely not remember, but it's not like it hurts the Hidamari experience in any way. One example in the later seasons:
In ☆☆☆ Chika wears a necklace that is given to her by Sae, but the scene where she gives it to her doesn't occur until the next season.
Jex
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I think this is both an honest an fair assessment of the show as a whole. I would have serious trouble recommending it to someone unless they were willing to put up with all the inconsistencies.
Jex
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amishpriest99
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Would buy.
R_thanatos
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Sorry about that .i do read posts but i don't always pay attention at who posting them unless it's a requirement for understanding said post.
Well they have enough space for at least 4 seasons if they really want to fill that space.
Perspective ? Camera zoom ? i knew all those cooking shows are cheating !!
The "death" one is not deathly enough ....
He has watched "yes precure" , "max heart" is small time !
So would I
Wow that's ridiculously harsh. I do agree that the show is wildly inconsistent in regards to animation and leaning to poor most of the time, but this seems a bit too much especially when the writing is as solid as it is. I can definitely tell that we're now in the 'rush rush rush' phase but the core writing is still prevalent.
And people think I'm joking when I say they're going to bring the wrath of the google overlords down on us.
The writing isn't solid at all. It's actually just as inconsistent as everything else. What is good about the story is how interesting the setting is and some of the developments in the plot. The actual narrative structure of the adaptation and the pace is very troubled. Sometimes the show doesn't know what it wants to do with a character, or how it wants to tell the story. Other times the script just doesn't flow very well at all, and scenes are out of order for no reason at all.
Honestly, I wouldn't say it's harsh at all to call this show largely a failure. It has a very ambitious goal in terms of juggling all these different elements, and it just doesn't do it well enough. I think it's respectable to take on a larger challenge, but that doesn't mean much when it just doesn't come together well enough.
I'm assuming there is a relatively large twist coming with the narrative structure. It's far too straight-forward and the show has already hinted at that multiple times.
I'm expecting that Kiroumaru is working with Squealer in that they want to get their hands on the virus. There's also the possibility that the virus is a dud considering it was never used.
By what measure do you think this show is a success? It's not selling, it's not consistent enough to be a good adaptation, the art is all over the place, the direction is spotty, there's nothing episodic about it at all so there aren't even good episodes which can stand entirely on their own. It's not going to be remembered fondly critically, and it has failed to provide a return on investment. I'm not saying "there is nothing good about the show at all", but rather "when looking at the objectives of the staff and the producers, and comparing the rate of success overall against what they hoped to achieve, it is a failure".
It sucks when people who have some talent fail to make their mark on a project because of a bunch of factors even though they tried, but it happens.
Sounds like what you're saying is "the books might have been great, but this adaptation is kinda meh", which is exactly what I'm saying! The writing on the show is part and parcel of everything else, blaming just the "direction" would be foolish.
You are certainly right about that. No way they could have screwed up that sweet story.
Probably so. I don't understand it, frankly. Porun is a million times better than Mepple/Mipple. All I hear is like "Miaka" "Tamahome!" "Miaka!" "Tamahome!" Kill it with fire. Porun is just a bratty little crybaby. I can deal with that because he is absolutely adorable and a powerful little creature that helps the Precure quite effectively. I really want a plush of that thing. I would hug the shit out of it no lie.
K-on girls are far too pure to do this. they would never!
Certainly Ritsu wouldnt.
You might have a point here. She has started off very strongly in Heartcatch so far.
Meh, compared to most stuff the industry putts out today (Kyoani-style slice of life without substance, yet another adaptation of a novel where the sister wants to fuck her not-related brother) SSY was a breath of fresh air.
Even with all the faults and inconsistencies it still worth, imo.
Even with all the faults and inconsistencies it still worth, imo.
I know it's mean to poke fun when English isn't your first language, but this made me laugh!
I think it's perfectly acceptable to realise that a lot of From The New World is, to put it bluntly, bad, but still like it a lot. It's undoubtedly my favourite show of the October season - it is, after all, the only anime I'm watching at the moment.
However, the quality of the art is inconsistent, there are several episodes which are downright bad due to story pacing issues and overall artistic quality, some of the music is frankly bizarre, and in general it's just not a very strong package. It's also sold virtually nothing. Just because I still really enjoy it anyway doesn't mean it isn't a "failure" from a commercial or critical perspective.
Jex
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That's a perfectly acceptable judgement about the worth of the series as a whole and I completely agree with you, however I really can't ignore the mountain of faults that the show possesses.
darkside31337
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Good job, good effort.
They would have been better off making one of those shows you hate since those are actually successful at what they're trying to do in at least 1 aspect. Personally I only made it 6 episodes through SSY but I'll never feel the need to watch any more. Thanks duckroll for keeping me from suffering some more.
Theonik
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Armoured Trooper VOTOMS 11
Also the ending with
I have to go back here and once again state how cool the VT pilot suits look they kinda remind me of the suits on Lost Planet for some reason. (also I wish I could GIF dat landing)
This episode more than delivered on the preview hype by at least 5 fold. From awesome VT action and assorted shootout porn to finally answering some stuff that was teased in this arc.
So they redrew this from the fade out of the previous episode for the intro of this one.(embedded is the 11 version)
Also the ending with
Proto One and Chiricho was kinda sweet. Poor Chipmunk-chan getting NTR'd.
I will admit that. I have a whole host of issues with the show but this is the type of story that prioritizes the narrative so I think that should be taken into account. It's not something like SAO where the characters are more important than the narrative. I do think the novels are carrying the story moreso than anything on the staff side but I can't just write it off because, quite frankly, they haven't butchered the narrative beyond the point of recognition. Even adapting something well where the source material is good, takes some level of skill.
I like the fact that Marine is the only one who isn't taking this seriously at all. Totally the Best Precure.
Speaking of Precure AllStars, I guess we're into the two months where they replace the DokiDoki OP with scene from the movie?
personally I got over how bad SSY was 10 or so episodes ago, I think the setting and story were interesting and different enough that made me keep watching. the show has been a mess since after the opening episodes when their budget ran out 
Psycho-Pass was kind of similar to me, that show is the ugliest pos around, but the premise was very interesting early, too bad even that didn't go anywhere, PP is definitely a complete utter failure for example in everything.
I don't think SSY is like that, at least it made me familiar with this pretty good novel and don't think it will be a forgettable stuff when it's all over. it doesn't look that ugly either, sometimes it looks pretty great actually. It might have direction issues but it actually keeps me interested thinking what will happen next, that's more than I could say for a lot of stuff that currently airs..
Psycho-Pass was kind of similar to me, that show is the ugliest pos around, but the premise was very interesting early, too bad even that didn't go anywhere, PP is definitely a complete utter failure for example in everything.
I don't think SSY is like that, at least it made me familiar with this pretty good novel and don't think it will be a forgettable stuff when it's all over. it doesn't look that ugly either, sometimes it looks pretty great actually. It might have direction issues but it actually keeps me interested thinking what will happen next, that's more than I could say for a lot of stuff that currently airs..
Quite the straightforward name for the event, isn't it?
Doubt that Tanaka would be performing any of his Hyouka work, though of course his One Piece, Gunbuster, etc. tracks are nothing to sneeze at either.
Also, man, the Inuyasha BGM in the video is giving me some major [adult swim] nostalgia.
Oops, I forgot that got caught up in the crossfire of my... personal issues. Remedied now.Also I miss your avatar. I could get lost in that solar panel of faces
Haha I just noticed shes looking at the camera. She is pretty awesome.
Like I said, I think if you interpreted what I said as "there is nothing good about this show and its the worst show ever" then it sounds way too harsh, but that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that it's an overly ambitious show where the staff bit off more than they could chew, and for a number of factors it has come crashing down on them time and time again. I'm still watching it, and I don't hate the show, I'm just disappointed that they didn't manage to get right all the stuff they tried to do. If they did, it would be a really amazing show. Instead, at best this is a stepping stone for Ishihama to improve as a director by learning from all the mistakes he made.
They can still finish the show off well, but by now I think most of the damage is done. I will never forget the CG Rocks, or the CG Submarine, or the Yamauchi-isms which go against the style of everything else in the show, or the odd disjointed storytelling just as it starts to get really good in every single arc. These are things which shows don't want to be remembered for. >_<
Like I said, I think if you interpreted what I said as "there is nothing good about this show and its the worst show ever" then it sounds way too harsh, but that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that it's an overly ambitious show where the staff bit off more than they could chew, and for a number of factors it has come crashing down on them time and time again. I'm still watching it, and I don't hate the show, I'm just disappointed that they didn't manage to get right all the stuff they tried to do. If they did, it would be a really amazing show. Instead, at best this is a stepping stone for Ishihama to improve as a director by learning from all the mistakes he made.
They can still finish the show off well, but by now I think most of the damage is done. I will never forget the CG Rocks, or the CG Submarine, or the Yamauchi-isms which go against the style of everything else in the show, or the odd disjointed storytelling just as it starts to get really good in every single arc. These are things which shows don't want to be remembered for. >_<
Fucking Yamauchi. I caught up this past weekend and the first episode I watched was episode 10. I instantly knew it was Yamauchi.
At times SSY does feel like A1 pulled an Aliens: Colonial Marines on both this and Magi.
Dedication Through Light
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I thought Tamako Market has been a mess at times, too much lost focus with all the things happening with characters each episode, many events in the episodes lacking any weight or feeling, and questionable musical direction.
The first two arcs of From The New World felt like a breath of fresh air, kids faced with such huge problems in which adults are afraid as well as facing huge issues in regards to the world fear of crises with this new future society and fiends, as well as a lush and vibrant world history, felt like something that we havent seen in years .
Yes, as bad as it is, is still an order of magnitude better than Max Heart.
Doremi is for a week when I'm really depressed. It's a one-time-use cure-all and then I can't ever use it again so I have to be careful.
See I think -that- would be going too far. Magi? Definitely. No one on that show gives a FUCK and it's clear. Maybe some individual animators do, but overall you can tell it's not a labor of love. I feel SSY is. That's why it's sadder to see it turn out this way. I think it'll be a good learning experience for all the younger staff on the show though, while I doubt the Magi staff would learn anything from that debacle.
Heartcatch has been very enjoyable for the same reason.
Jex
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Hey, I'm sure the guy who created the first OP for Magi probably cared.
They were probably the last person to care about the project.
Too busy with imas 5, doubt he even remembers.
I was referring more to A1 shifting resources from Magi and SSY to SAO (I know I can't prove this and studio work is not as cut and dry as say game developing) rather than either party not caring.
<3 Nishigori. Pretty sure he directed the first OP.
It would have been nice for his fans, but it's not really the place in regards to the program they're doing I'm assuming.
Remember when I was talking about how many goddamn shows A-1 had lined up last year, and pondering about whether they would be able to maintain any sort of decent production line on even half the shows? I guess we know the answer now! >_<
I'm going to choose to believe that Koji Masanari is a broken-hearted shell of a director just going through the motions after Welcome to the Space Show flopped as badly as it did, particularly given how much effort and attention to detail was poured into that movie.
But, hey, this is rarely an industry which actually rewards effort.
Well I'm not sure I can argue against their logic from a business standpoint when you have SAO raking in over 30,000 and SSY can't break 600. Magi always seemed like a misfit on the part of A1 as it seems BONES should have done it.
Yeah, it's definitely aimed at more mainstream shows that the audience is likely to have heard before. Which of course is still great.
Jex
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The same that happens to any studio that bites off more than it can chew, regardless of it's size. Like when Brains Base were doing three shows in one season or whatever.
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