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Winter of Anime 2013 |OT -6| How much lower can we go?!

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Kaitou Reinya 02

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This time was all rat abuse.

I guess I could go and hit a rat with a baseball bat.
 

Mature

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Neon Genesis Evangelion - 6
All business this episode.

I love how the insane premise of
gathering all of Japan's energy to be used and shot out of a positron rifle was thought up and fired in the same episode
. This was some seriously good screenplay because it didn't feel rushed or contrived— it was set-up and completed in a nice little 23 minute package.

I could see the part with Shinji pulling off the super-heated door of the capsule before it happened, and it worried me a bit that it was going to come off sort of like a forced parallel, but it turned out fine. There wasn't any blurred vision "I can't tell if that's little or big Ikari" or anything. It was a sweet little Shinji gesture that ended in a Rei (forced) smile. Aw.

 

Shergal

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Hyouka 13 (Rewatch)

The festival continues, and so does the peak of quality that has been present since episode 11. The show is really at its best when it has the chance to go all-out in the production aspects, as this festival demonstrates.
The writing is pretty neat as well, integrating clues for the mysteries, the "fun" part of the festival, and bits and pieces of characterization and foreshadowing.
I quite liked Satoshi in this episode; he really has a talent for the sort of stuff he was doing. Seems like a pretty funny guy all things considered. The side character they added works his role well as a vehicle for Satoshi's characterization. We later learn why the dynamic they had was relevant to this, but this episode presented some interesting bits of it like his reaction to the other guy's urge to compete. Later, at the end of the episode, he is desperate about being able to participate in the cooking competition, pressuring the two girls and Mayaka even calls him out on it. Such little details are pretty much only noticeable when you rewatch them knowing the big picture.
There is a very similar bit in the Mayaka vs Nakoruru conversation, when the former brings up A Corpse by Evening. The acting of the girl there tells you that there's more to it, but when it'll only come up 3 episodes later it's hard to actually notice it on first watch.

The director of this episode was Noriyuki Kitanohara again, and it's safe to say this was much better than his previous episode 8. When he has stuff happening on the screen, he knows how to pace and arrange it in an interesting way. There are also some show-off overkill shots like this:
There's one thing I don't dig much from Kitanohara and it is the way he uses BGM. There are very little quiet moments in his episodes, and I feel they could benefit from not abusing the tracks to create mood so much.
Even so, what I appreciate about him (and pretty much every Kyoani director) is that all the shots always try to have some sort of relevance to the events, or at least transmit a good amount of information. This shot is one example in this episode, where they put Mayaka's middle school uniform there to establish the passage of time along with a visualization of her room 2 years ago. Or even the shot above where the reflection happens in the girl's crystal ball from inside the tent. It's not something that really should get much praise, but relative to the state of the direction in most of the stuff that gets produced nowadays I think it's salvageable.

There was yet another newbie in charge this episode, and it's Nobuaki Maruki as an animation director (He had only worked as AD for Nichijou 25 before this). Again, I don't know where these people come from. This episode is really good! I liked the fight at the manga club. There are some quite neat expressions in there, as well as at the end with Oreki and Chitanda. The episode was very fluid as well, and the drawings were really fun and moved a bit more loosely.
 

Shergal

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Shergal, excellent work on the rewatches. Makes me want to watch Hyouka again =/

Next ep is WILDFIRE right? Naoko Yamada at her best.

Thanks!
Oh, I was reading that conversation about mobile browsing and tried to make this post less heavy on the image content. Sorry for the other 13 big posts, mobile browsers!
 
Neon Genesis Evangelion - 6

All business this episode.

I love how the insane premise of
gathering all of Japan's energy to be used and shot out of a positron rifle was thought up and fired in the same episode
. This was some seriously good screenplay because it didn't feel rushed or contrived— it was set-up and completed in a nice little 23 minute package.

I could see the part with Shinji pulling off the super-heated door of the capsule before it happened, and it worried me a bit that it was going to come off sort of like a forced parallel, but it turned out fine. There wasn't any blurred vision "I can't tell if that's little or big Ikari" or anything. It was a sweet little Shinji gesture that ended in a Rei (forced) smile. Aw.
Is this the remaster? I know they redrew rei's smile in that scene, and it just creeps me out.

I have a deep appreciation for the pacing, visuals, settings and music in Evangelion, but there's just something about it that makes me hate it. The lack of symbolic depth? The obnoxiousness of the characters? It does a wonderful job of bringing back that teenage sense of self-loathing, though, and I keep coming back to it for some reason.
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
Because anime original endings are not good for massive shounen series.

Also, I don't think anyone has faith in the guy doing the ending.
Things have been pretty hopeless on script. If anything a new wrinkle holds at least some kind of potential. Slavish interpretation of a manga that keeps going far after the anime ends seems kind of weird as an alternative.
 

Mature

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Neon Genesis Evangelion - 7
A Misato episode of sorts.

Don't you love the pompous competition that doesn't look at the bigger picture? In this episode, we got some hints that Misato has a troubled past with the first impact
(and that the first impact wasn't created by a meteorite at all)
. Not much happened other than Misato and 01 saving the day, that is until we find out
it was a set-up the whole time!
Or at least, that's what's implied. Looks like Commander Ikari is a devious bastard. Though how could he have anticipated that Misato would have the bravado to stand up to the occasion in the first place? I guess the plan would have worked without her involvement at all.

Hmm... Nerv making the competition look bad... Are we the baddies?
Fighting... angels... With freakish walking, bleeding, humanoid giants... piloted by troubled children? Uh-oh.

 

yami4ct

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Because anime original endings are not good for massive shounen series.

Also, I don't think anyone has faith in the guy doing the ending.

As someone who hasn't watched Magi and just started reading the manga. The show is already ruined from all accounts. At this point, why does anyone care if it's got an original ending? If the show isn't going to continue to adapt the manga, why bother sticking to it? Honestly, if they're going to end the show might as well bail out with an original ending. Gives them an excuse to pull a reboot if they feel the manga's popular enough to deserve it.
 

Mature

Member
Is this the remaster? I know they redrew rei's smile in that scene, and it just creeps me out.

I have a deep appreciation for the pacing, visuals, settings and music in Evangelion, but there's just something about it that makes me hate it. The lack of symbolic depth? The obnoxiousness of the characters? It does a wonderful job of bringing back that teenage sense of self-loathing, though, and I keep coming back to it for some reason.
You find there to be a lack of symbolic depth..? I sure don't see any lack of symbolism or the depth that surrounds it. And the only character I could concede to being sometimes obnoxious (so far) is Shinji and I don't have any problems with him (yet).
 

yami4ct

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You find there to be a lack of symbolic depth..? I sure don't see any lack of symbolism or the depth that surrounds it. And the only character I could concede to being sometimes obnoxious (so far) is Shinji and I don't have any problems with him (yet).

To be fair to him, the majority of Eva's major symbolism is super on the nose and almost obnoxiously obvious, especially when dealing with the themes of Shinji growing and dealing with life. The stuff that's basically just Anno tearing apart otaku culture, though, that stuff is kind of subtle and brilliant.
 

Regulus Tera

Romanes Eunt Domus
[Chihayafuru 2] 07
Somebody got a power up (also, creepy stalker-chan should wear less make-up).

I don't think I approve this show's message of dropping all academic ambitions for the sake of
pursuing your modeling career; besides, Chihaya's sister is such a non-factor that her hint at a character arc in this episode came across as clumsy and ridiculous. She's horrendously shallow.
 
You find there to be a lack of symbolic depth..? I sure don't see any lack of symbolism or the depth that surrounds it. And the only character I could concede to being sometimes obnoxious (so far) is Shinji and I don't have any problems with him (yet).
I find Rei and Shinji completely obnoxious in the series, but a lot of people think the same about Asuka and I like her.

And yeah, I thought most of the symbolism in the show was just skin-deep. It's a pretty good robot show, and it's a good study of humanity, but I found that a lot of the mythos and visual symbolism didn't really mean anything.
To be fair to him, the majority of Eva's major symbolism is super on the nose and almost obnoxiously obvious, especially when dealing with the themes of Shinji growing and dealing with life. The stuff that's basically just Anno tearing apart otaku culture, though, that stuff is kind of subtle and brilliant.
The show ends up embracing it, though.
 

yami4ct

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G Gundam 1-20

Been going through and re-watching this over the past couple weeks. Man, I remember it being good but not this good. This show is just freaking brilliant. This is how you do an AU Gundam. Not only is it much more light hearted and fun to watch than other gundams, the world is just so different from UC. I'm starting to think that's my major problem with AU gundams. They all occupy a world so similar to the UC stuff when they don't have to. They're free from those restraints and should really use that opportunity to do something different.

If I have some minor complaints, it's with this little min-arc the past 4 or so episodes. The fact that all 4 of the major side pilots
suffer PTSD from their Devil Gundam infections
is really overboard. It feels like we're repeating the same plot over and over. Still, overall it's just so fantastic.

What's surprised me most though is the music. It's just so fabulous. One of my favorite mecha soundtracks of all time. It's fun and action packed when it needs to be, yet it can still pull off the little emotional bits quite nicely. It's not so loud and overbearing like something from SEED. Just amazing work.

Man, what happened to the Sunrise that made this and Turn A? I really, really want them back.
 

Regulus Tera

Romanes Eunt Domus
Is this the remaster? I know they redrew rei's smile in that scene, and it just creeps me out.
Did they? I think the scene with Rei's smile was only ever redrawn for the Death & Rebirth theatrical feature, and for Rebuild 1.0 obviously.

Fake Edit: Aha, found it. There are some things EvaGeeks is good for after all*:
Original broadcast of episode six, Death, and Rebuild, respectively.

Personally, I prefer the original one. The art is derpier, but it conveys the sincerity of the moment and Rei's blossoming appreciation for Shinji much more effectively.
 

yami4ct

Member
The show ends up embracing it, though.

I really disagree. Up until the very end, Anno is tearing Otaku life to pieces. He's playing with his "fans'" feelings. He doesn't care about pandering to them and giving them what they want. He actively doesn't give them what they want.

In the films, he doesn't do it nearly as much. On the other hand, I kind of feel 3.0 is one big old school Anno troll.
 

Regulus Tera

Romanes Eunt Domus
The show ends up embracing it, though.
You need to rewatch the ending (both endings) if you believe Anno is condoning closeted and introverted otaku lifestyles. Unless you are talking about GAINAX's infamous mishandling of the property for the sake of converting it into a straight up cash cow, but I don't think one can hold the actual material liable for that kind of misappropriation.
 
Did they? I think the scene with Rei's smile was only ever redrawn for the Death & Rebirth theatrical feature, and for Rebuild 1.0 obviously.

Fake Edit: Aha, found it. There are some things EvaGeeks is good for after all*:

Original broadcast, Death, and Rebuild, respectively.

Personally, I prefer the original one. The art is derpier, but it conveys the sincerity of the moment and Rei's blossoming appreciation for Shinji much more effectively.
Thanks!

I just think the idea of her smiling is creepy. D= That was one of the few things I liked about the second rebuild movie, though.
I really disagree. Up until the very end, Anno is tearing Otaku life to pieces. He's playing with his "fans'" feelings. He doesn't care about pandering to them and giving them what they want. He actively doesn't give them what they want.

In the films, he doesn't do it nearly as much. On the other hand, I kind of feel 3.0 is one big old school Anno troll.
Ah, I was mostly referring to the ending. 3.0's big thing is fucking hilarious, though. And kind of creepy.

You need to rewatch the ending (both endings) if you believe Anno is condoning closeted and introverted otaku lifestyles. Unless you are talking about GAINAX's infamous mishandling of the property for the sake of converting it into a straight up cash cow, but I don't think one can hold the actual material liable for that kind of misappropriation.

Ah, I wasn't talking about the introversion, just the way modern otaku treat story, setting and characters. Which is,
story and setting aren't important, just the characters. The whole school sidestory thing taking up half of one of the last two episodes? Yeah. That's a big part of what modern fandom has become.
Also the dude practically invented moe.

I'm not really able to separate the show from what the franchise has ultimately become, either.
 

yami4ct

Member
Seeing these Evangelion posts made me want to comment.
I watched 3.0 last night and my god am I confused.

I'm waiting to rewatch it until the BD comes out, but it's something that certainly doesn't make complete sense the first run through. I was surprised I got most of what's going on. I also feel like a crap ton is being held back for 4.0.
 

yami4ct

Member
Anno is partying like it's 1997 all over again!
I'm one of the few people who think 3.0 is kind of brilliant and this is at least 60% of the reason. Anno is finally being Anno again. He's causing genuine otaku outrage. That alone is glorious.


What's so hard to understand?

For starters, there's
a whole huge chunk of time just missing
with no even hint of an explanation of what's happened then. Also, a lot of the final battle doesn't make a lick of sense. Most of the who's, what's and why's are left open for a lot of interpretation/speculation. Some shit just happens there with no beginnings of explaining why.
 

Regulus Tera

Romanes Eunt Domus
Ah, I wasn't talking about the introversion, just the way modern otaku treat story, setting and characters. Which is,
story and setting aren't important, just the characters. The whole school sidestory thing taking up half of one of the last two episodes? Yeah. That's a big part of what modern fandom has become.
Also the dude practically invented moe.
Oh boy.
 

yami4ct

Member
Well maybe not on purpose, but I'm being serious. The guy has some weird ideas about how girls work.

He invented the Tsundere, Rei, and Misato archetypes for sure, but moe? Not really. Also, dude, that's sort of the point. His depictions of women are more satires than anything.
 

CorvoSol

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I really disagree. Up until the very end, Anno is tearing Otaku life to pieces. He's playing with his "fans'" feelings. He doesn't care about pandering to them and giving them what they want. He actively doesn't give them what they want.

In the films, he doesn't do it nearly as much. On the other hand, I kind of feel 3.0 is one big old school Anno troll.

I'd still say Wing and SEED are good. Not G Gundam good, I know that now, and I know part of me loves Wing simply because I saw it as a kid, but this year was the first time I ever watched SEED, and apart from jello-faces, it's still good, I'd say. Granted I saw SEED before I saw 0079, so maybe that colors my opinion a bit.

Still, I'd say Wing and SEED are good. They're way ahead of crap like 00 and AGE.
 
He invented the Tsundere, Rei, and Misato archetypes for sure, but moe? Not really. Also, dude, that's sort of the point. His depictions of women are more
satires
than anything.
Man, if some of the stuff about Noriko and Anno's infatuation with her are true, I just can't see them that way.

Okay, stuff Eva contributed to "modern" moe: popularizing Key-style damaged girls. He didn't really invent moe, that was Miyazaki
not really
.

Sorry for bringing it up, I'm not really being serious. (I mean what I say, but I'm not being "serious" about having the only correct opinion or anything.) And come on, he didn't invent tsundere girls, that's just silly.
 

yami4ct

Member
Next thing I'm gonna hear is that Evangelion invented anime.

Man, if some of the stuff about Noriko and Anno's infatuation with her are true, I just can't see them that way.

Okay, stuff Eva contributed to "modern" moe: popularizing Key-style damaged girls. He didn't really invent moe, that was Miyazaki
not really
.

Sorry for bringing it up, I'm not really being serious. And come on, he didn't invent tsundere girls, that's just silly.

I agree, invent is a super bad term. I just ended up using it because the original post used it. Popularized would be far more accurate.

And, yeah, I just don't agree with your definition of moe. Nothing in Eva is moe to me in the slightest.
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
Futari wa Precure Max Heart 25:

Why is the show suddenly and haphazardly cutting and pasting bits of one-off episode plots from the first season into this season? Are they really so creatively bankrupt that they can no longer create episode scenarios without shameless rehashing and essentially undoing resolutions for various minor characters just so they can resolve them again? (don't answer that)

This was essentially a repeat of the amazing :fiewhawk summer episode from the first season that dealt with Honoka's grandmother's tragic childhood, except that rather than approaching those memories from a different angle or changing the subject of obaachan's reminiscence altogether, it's the same fucking flashback heavily-condensed, stripped of emotion, and awkwardly interjected into an inane conversation about self-discovery or some shit between obaachan and the always-terrible Hikari. There's not even any real resolution because events end unceremoniously when it's time for the villains to appear just like any other episode of Max Heart. What an insult to that legitimately great episode from S1.

Post-Ep.22 R_Thanatos vs. Hitokage vindication running total:

Max Heart gets good - 0
Max Heart stays shit - 3
 
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